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  On 12/24/2017 at 5:21 PM, Kelsain said:

Took my 8 yo daughter to see this yesterday at a high-sensitivity showing. We had to take a break, as she declared it the scariest Star Wars ever. She asked to leave repeatedly, but I convinced her to stick it through. In the end, she loved it. I enjoyed it even more the second time around, though I still have issues with the pacing.

Best parts of seeing with her was her excitement for porgs and when 

 

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You're doing parenting right. Your daughter is also doing daughtering right.

By the by, what sort of special arrangements have to go into these high-sensitivity showings? Do they dim the screen, keep the lights on, other things?

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  On 12/24/2017 at 3:50 PM, jenius said:

 

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This movie was bad not because of character's acting different but because a bad comedic tone and needlessly subplots.  I'm tempted to buy a copy of it just to see if the movie can re-edited to something better.

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After letting it stew a bit, I can basically say that I liked the overall plot, in spite of the fact that the entire lynchpin that the plot hung on was the flimsiest piece of crap plot device in movie history.

 

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  On 12/24/2017 at 6:49 PM, kajnrig said:

You're doing parenting right. Your daughter is also doing daughtering right.

By the by, what sort of special arrangements have to go into these high-sensitivity showings? Do they dim the screen, keep the lights on, other things?

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I LOLed pretty hard at that point.

In the theatre, they damped down the volume and evened out the sound mix while leaving the house lights on, but dim.

My daughter has problems with the loudness at the movies, so she usually wears my shop ear protectors. We didn’t pack those for holiday travel, so this was a lucky break. There was also no stigma for being loud or disruptive.

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You can really tell the difference in tone by looking at General Hux. In The Force Awakens he's your stereotypical classic ranting Nazi straight from a classic war movie.  In The Last Jedi he's a Mel Brook's Nazi.  

I'll accept a few stupid decisions for the sake of the plot.   "Because Movie" is something that were use to.  They just go overboard with it.  Usually you'll notice characters acting stupid and a things not making sense on repeat viewings cause there's so few or they're well hidden.  This movie is so long your mind has time to process it quicker.

 

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I really dont understand. Brains and how they work. Hmmm I dont think that movie was good. Let me spend more money so disney thinks this was a massive success. Hmmm I think it was bad but there were some cool moments let me see it a third time.

 

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See, I might still go see it a second time because the good parts were genuinely fun to see.  The plot vehicle was just a duct taped jalopy sputtering through space while it carried the worthwhile plot points.

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  On 12/25/2017 at 3:30 AM, kajnrig said:

Plot twist:

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  On 12/25/2017 at 5:18 AM, slaginpit said:

I really dont understand. Brains and how they work. Hmmm I dont think that movie was good. Let me spend more money so disney thinks this was a massive success. Hmmm I think it was bad but there were some cool moments let me see it a third time.

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Thankfully, I spent no money, watched it and got other stuff done at the same time.

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You bastard, Mr. Iger wants his money, where is his money, man?

You better be spending a ton of money on the Jedi milk set, cause we only get royalties.

better buy a ton of those or Mr. Iger and his buddy Mr. Cook are gonna track you down.  

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  On 12/25/2017 at 10:11 PM, electric indigo said:

Does anybody remember what happens to the dice from the Falcon in the end?

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  On 12/25/2017 at 11:27 PM, kajnrig said:

 

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Saw it a second time with a different group of friends. I enjoyed it as much if not a little bit more than my first viewing. The parts I hated the first time around I hated and same for those that I really, really, really enjoyed. I've got at least one more trip to the movies as my Mom wants to see it (she's the entire reason I like Sci Fi, Horror, toys, etc. - it's because she's a fan).

A lot of really good/thoughtful replies in the thread, both for and against whether or not TLJ is a good movie. I wanted to respond to these since they were geared towards my last post;

  On 12/22/2017 at 8:49 PM, captain america said:

I guess you could say that those fan theories about the Supreme Leader all went up in Snoke! :lol:

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HA!

  On 12/22/2017 at 8:59 PM, BlackRose said:

For me that was the movie's biggest weak point.  You can't just change gears like that and act like it's no big thing.

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I submit to you that it was in essence the very definition of a plot twist. But I certainly don't begrudge you or anyone who was annoyed by the lack of payoff - if I cared about that particular character and their story or origins I'd be pissed off too.

  On 12/22/2017 at 10:57 PM, azrael said:

Those questions were not answered at all and will likely need some good arm twisting to write those answers.

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You make really good points, but you contradict yourself about not carrying how powerful Rey is. The answer on how/why she can do a lot of the things she does is because of just how strong with the force she is. I think it would behoove JJ or whomever rights Episode IX to explain the 'why' or at least give more context otherwise some will continue to be annoyed at just how powerful she is.

 

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I read an article that talked about how the initial fan reaction for the Empire Strikes Back was mixed as well, although I don't think it was as extreme. Either way I'm really fascinated to see how history treats TFA, TLJ and this new Trilogy as a whole.

-b.

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  On 12/26/2017 at 12:39 AM, Kanedas Bike said:

You make really good points, but you contradict yourself about not carrying how powerful Rey is. The answer on how/why she can do a lot of the things she does is because of just how strong with the force she is. I think it would behoove JJ or whomever rights Episode IX to explain the 'why' or at least give more context otherwise some will continue to be annoyed at just how powerful she is.

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Power is one thing. How to wield that power is another. That's the distinction I make. Every Force-user we've met has had to learn how to use that power regardless of how powerful they are. Rey never had any instruction, at all. She just learned what she was literally a day ago and now she's using it with such high aptitude. Yes, they better write a good explanation because we are still where we were from the Episode 7 at this point.

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  On 12/25/2017 at 11:59 PM, Chronocidal said:
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  On 12/26/2017 at 1:14 AM, azrael said:

Power is one thing. How to wield that power is another. That's the distinction I make. Every Force-user we've met has had to learn how to use that power regardless of how powerful they are. Rey never had any instruction, at all. She just learned what she was literally a day ago and now she's using it with such high aptitude. Yes, they better write a good explanation because we are still where we were from the Episode 7 at this point.

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But see, she's not a Force wielding genius, it's more like brute strength. So what she moved some rocks and grabbed a Light Saber? She's was shown to have some hand-to-hand fighting aptitude when she knocked Finn on his ass in TFA.

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From a purely Force aptitude perspective he bested Kylo Ren in TFA, Storm Troopers and some rocks.

-b.

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  On 12/26/2017 at 12:39 AM, Kanedas Bike said:

I read an article that talked about how the initial fan reaction for the Empire Strikes Back was mixed as well, although I don't think it was as extreme. Either way I'm really fascinated to see how history treats TFA, TLJ and this new Trilogy as a whole.

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No film has a 100% like, so you will definitely find people who dislike ESB. The question is, how many are there? If it were 10%, is that considered a "mixed reaction"?

Rogue One and TFA had much more favourable ratings. Why didn't TLJ? Because they were more conventional? Or had more fan-service? And why the big difference between critic and audience score? Was the film really that good or were the critics bought off?

Pieced together from the reviews I've watched, TLJ still feels very much like ESB, just rearranged. It has all the same elements. Empire is extremely powerful and in charge (doesn't make sense here). They attack a resistance hideout at the start. The resistance tries its best to escape but can't shake the Empire off. A Jedi-newbie goes to look for a Jedi master to be trained. Someone goes to "Cloud city", finds help, is betrayed by said-help and is captured by the Empire. The place gets trashed. The Jedi-newbie interrupts her training (next to none in this film) to save her friends. (The throne room is very RotJ.) There is a ground battle on a white planet. Epic light saber non-fight between a novice and a master (the master is toying with novice.) At the end of the film, it is the resistance's darkest hour.

It works in ESB because it is a very simple story and the scenes flows very smoothly and logically. And it is very held back. It shows you only a glimpse into that world and the Empire's power, letting you imagine the rest.
 

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Having said the above, I think the next film will be better. If it draws parallel to RotJ, its main theme will be redemption and there will be a time skip. This will allow Rey to master her skills and the resistance to build up their strength for the final confrontation. But, "it's a trap!"

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  On 12/26/2017 at 2:35 AM, Thom said:
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The dice can be seen in ANH. When Cherie goes into the cockpit in Mos Eisly to prep the Falcon, his head bumps them and you see them jingle.

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  On 12/26/2017 at 1:00 PM, Dobber said:

The dice can be seen in ANH. When Cherie goes into the cockpit in Mos Eisly to prep the Falcon, his head bumps them and you see them jingle.

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Cool. Thanks! And now, I will call him Cherie from now on!:lol:

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