Macross Δ (Delta) Mecha/Technology Thread - READ 1st POST

[Zinjo]

I was watching a history channel program about Nazi weapons of war and at one point they mentioned the ME-262 and I finally put it together. The SV-262 is a direct reference to the ME-262 jet the Germans developed near the end of WW2.

It always struck me as a strange choice for a designator to the Windermeran fighter until that moment. SK and the writing team certainly did their homework on this series...

[grigolosi]

I spotted that when I saw the designation for the new Valks back in winter. I imagine it has to go in line with the whole Euro theme for Windermere and their almost Nazi like superiority mentality. Arad gets his last name from Ernest Molders, a WWII Luftwaffe ace along with Hayate whose last name is the same as the WWI ace credited with creating the Immelman turn Max Immelman.

[aurance]

So - why doesn't the NUNS screen for and hire hordes of fold-sensitive singers as a countermeasure to Ketchup? They have limitless resources compared to Chaos.

Edited August 5, 2016 by aurance

[This Confuses Gamlin]

First answer is of course that they might not have been looking until recently, second, maybe the trait really isn't that common. (And it didn't help that the human gene pool was dramatically shrunken.)

And maybe they're still feeling so burned by the Jamming Birds disaster that they'll leave this singing thing to mercenaries, or its just not in the NUNS image to hire singers instead of stolid pilot types.

Edited August 5, 2016 by This Confuses Gamlin

[squaresphere]

That's an interesting proposition with several caveats

• I'm assuming they have been screening for fold receptor singers for a while now but from an anti-VARS perspective
• There could be other "tactical sound units" but other sectors are reluctant to let them go because it would leave their local populous vulnerable.
• We don't know how wide spread fold receptor knowledge is. Based on Freyja's screening, I think the general public has no idea about it. So it's not like they can go "hey if you have a fold factor join us today!"
• Beyond that, the power of the fold receptor is variable, even Freyja didn't trigger in the audition until they stressed her the F out. So there's no easy quick way to screen for tactical level fold receptor
• Going one further... why? NUNS has proven they have ship based jammers that work.

[aurance]

• Going one further... why? NUNS has proven they have ship based jammers that work.

Hmm, that's true. I forgot that those jammers essentially worked like they should. I guess all they need is an invincible defense force to protect the jammers, since apparently Aerial Knights can take out a fleet of ships by themselves.

Edited August 5, 2016 by aurance

[Ghostbear0]

Hmm, that's true. I forgot that those jammers essentially worked like they should. I guess all they need is an invincible defense force to protect the jammers, since apparently Aerial Knights can take out a fleet of ships by themselves.

Knights? I only saw 1

[aurance]

Knights? I only saw 1

Hahaha touche

[grigolosi]

Well as long as the Windermerans are taking to start their "conquest of the Galaxy" NUNS should have had time to set up jammer systems on the major colony worlds and on Earth, plus find a way to better conceal which ships have the jammers within the fleets. You can almost call this the Phony War II. I resembles the period in WWII between the attack on Poland and the Invasion of the Lowlands and France. But Squaresphere is definitely right about one thing....the knowledge of the fold receptors by the general public seems to be non existant from the information given in the first few episodes.

Edited August 5, 2016 by grigolosi

[Zinjo]

I spotted that when I saw the designation for the new Valks back in winter. I imagine it has to go in line with the whole Euro theme for Windermere and their almost Nazi like superiority mentality. Arad gets his last name from Ernest Molders, a WWII Luftwaffe ace along with Hayate whose last name is the same as the WWI ace credited with creating the Immelman turn Max Immelman.

In retrospect it is a little embarassing. The ME-262 is one of my favorite jets...

Hmm, that's true. I forgot that those jammers essentially worked like they should. I guess all they need is an invincible defense force to protect the jammers, since apparently Aerial Knights can take out a fleet of ships by themselves.

What NUNS needs are competent pilots to provide effective fighter screens for their cap ships! You can argue the Windies have superior reflexes and reaction times compared to NUNS general service pilots, but damn! The knights went through the fighers like a hot knife through butter....

Edited August 5, 2016 by Zinjo

[Seto Kaiba]

I always wondered if the warp bubble was more of a defensive barrier used for PC capital ship retreats. A barrier forms and the ship folds a short distance to escape.

Nah, we've had a couple fairly high-profile cases showing that the so-called "warp bubble" doesn't stop anything (like aircraft) from passing through it.

What are the requirements for a VF to have Ex-Gear Installed? Since the VF-22S has one installed too.

As far as we know, just having a cockpit that's roomy enough for the system to fit... though, to the best of my knowledge, it's never been fitted in a VF-22. There have been several VF-19 variants with EX-Gear though.

Its still the Macross that is it's name. The rest of the Macrosses are using it as a class name like what ahappened with the Drednought. Unless battle 1 was actually named New Macross and that is why that class is called the new Macross class.

Many we've heard the 5, 7, 11, and 13 referee to by their hull number but the 21 and 25 are the Galaxy and Frontier. So maybe the others had names but more people just used the hull number which coincided with the fleet number.

And really at this point Macross seems to be more the designation of the concept equivalent more to battleship or carrier.

Collectively, "New Macross-class" refers to the combination emigrant ship design... presumably an acknowledgement of the Macross-class in either version of the First Space War narrative being either an ad-hoc city-ship (in the series) or a purpose-designed emigrant ship (in DYRL). Neither component part of the ships are referred to as "New Macross" on their own... they're the Battle-class and either City-class or Island Cluster-class.

As to when they started naming the ships, that's not established for sure... and it doesn't seem to have been applied in any consistent fashion. It might have been a matter of individual taste by the colonists. Macross-16 (Valiant) is the lowest-numbered fleet I know of with a name, and Macross-29 the highest numbered fleet without one.

So - why doesn't the NUNS screen for and hire hordes of fold-sensitive singers as a countermeasure to Ketchup? They have limitless resources compared to Chaos.

Presumably because fold receptor factors strong enough to be usable against the Aerial Knights are rare enough even if you don't count that apparently it's not a trait confined to people who can actually sing... and, of course, the galaxy is a BIG place. If there are other tactical sound units, taking them all of the frontlines of their areas of responsibility to go fight Windermere would be an enormous risk.

What NUNS needs are competent pilots to provide effective fighter screens for their cap ships! You can argue the Windies have superior reflexes and reaction times compared to NUNS general service pilots, but damn! The knights went through the fighers like a hot knife through butter....

It'd probably help a lot if Windermere wasn't always using the same six knights who all have plot armor... or if the federal NUNS got involved. Right now it's the best the Aerial Knights have to offer vs. the local NUNS scrubs in last generation's hardware.

[ManhattanProject972]

As far as we know, just having a cockpit that's roomy enough for the system to fit... though, to the best of my knowledge, it's never been fitted in a VF-22. There have been several VF-19 variants with EX-Gear though.

I think he was referring to the VF-22 Papa Immelman was seen walking toward in that flashback scene which appeared to have the pauldrons from an EX-Gear in its cockpit.

[grigolosi]

In retrospect it is a little embarassing. The ME-262 is one of my favorite jets...

What NUNS needs are competent pilots to provide effective fighter screens for their cap ships! You can argue the Windies have superior reflexes and reaction times compared to NUNS general service pilots, but damn! The knights went through the fighers like a hot knife through butter....

Don't be embarrassed Zinjo, everyone misses little things like that from time to time.

[Seto Kaiba]

I think he was referring to the VF-22 Papa Immelman was seen walking toward in that flashback scene which appeared to have the pauldrons from an EX-Gear in its cockpit.

I'll go back and check, but the VF-22 had a similar-looking feature in its cockpit that was actually part of the restraint system... a sort of mobile shoulder pad that locked onto the pilot's flight suit in much the same way as the restraints on the VF-2SS Valkyrie II.

[This Confuses Gamlin]

The EX-Gear shoulder pieces look like they're a lot larger, though.

Three images of the VF-22: Max and Gamlin from M7 and Dynamite 7, then Wright again:

Edited August 6, 2016 by This Confuses Gamlin

[kalvasflam]

just wondering, outside of DRYL, has any regular human ever been macronized?

[RedWolf]

just wondering, outside of DRYL, has any regular human ever been macronized?

A pure Earther human? In Macross Eternal Love Song U.N. Spacy officer Lyle Craze defects to the Burado fleet becoming Zentradi size.

It is in the middle of the DYRL-Macross II timeline.

[Seto Kaiba]

A pure Earther human? In Macross Eternal Love Song U.N. Spacy officer Lyle Craze defects to the Burado fleet becoming Zentradi size.It is in the middle of the DYRL-Macross II timeline.

Lyle's at least part-Zentradi... so no.

just wondering, outside of DRYL, has any regular human ever been macronized?

I don't believe we've ever had one featured, no... but it is explicitly mentioned as possible.

[Ghostbear0]

To get back to the security protocols discussion from earlier

Why in the flaming blue frakk would they give Burger the type of system access needed to put on that display!!!!

Edited August 7, 2016 by Ghostbear0

[Seto Kaiba]

To get back to the security protocols discussion from earlier

Why in the flaming blue frakk would they give Burger the type of system access needed to put on that display!!!!

Well... Xaos has some techno-savants on its payroll, so they may have some better malware protection than the average consumer.

[RedWolf]

Well this is interesting. Epsilon is selling two variants of the Deneb class.

Comparison with the Macross Galaxy Deneb class.

[This Confuses Gamlin]

They also sell umineko clocks. Supplies are plentiful!

[grigolosi]

I have seen some fancy Doha pipes over here but that one Berger has takes the cake. That thing would sell like hotcakes over here if they had that tech now.

Considering the symbol Epsilon uses, the balanced scale, I am not surprised nor would be surprised if they were playing both sides of the field. Like any weapons manufacturer they will sell to whoever is buying regardless of either sides motives or nationalistic views.

Edited August 8, 2016 by grigolosi

[kalvasflam]

Does Epsilon Corporation make the Deneb class that was a part of the Galaxy fleet? It is kind of weird that Epsilon corporation appears to be operating both at Windermere and possibly with NUNS?

[This Confuses Gamlin]

Does Epsilon Corporation make the Deneb class that was a part of the Galaxy fleet? It is kind of weird that Epsilon corporation appears to be operating both at Windermere and possibly with NUNS?

There's a reasonable amount of (controversial) real-world historical precedent for what Epsilon is doing. It's just that typically it's much less obvious at the time that it's happening, compared to Berger just strolling up to Xaos right after he was working with Roid. When it gets botched up it leads to things like Oliver North jamming up his shredder.

Edited August 8, 2016 by This Confuses Gamlin

[grigolosi]

If the picture is any indication of what they manufacture then they seem to manufacture everything form battleships to Querule watches. But we will have to wait for the subs to come out to find for sure what he is explaining in the that scene. They definitely seem to have some type of agenda in this.

[Kelsain]

Maybe he's actually a high volume salesman for Archie MacPhee. That mercat clock looks a lot like Bibo.

[Zinjo]

Well this is interesting. Epsilon is selling two variants of the Deneb class.

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Comparison with the Macross Galaxy Deneb class.

Well if it is their brand of cap ship, I wouldn't be surprised.

To get back to the security protocols discussion from earlier

Why in the flaming blue frakk would they give Burger the type of system access needed to put on that display!!!!

Are they not on the Epsilon hospital ship? If so, it's Epsilon's network not Xaos...

If the picture is any indication of what they manufacture then they seem to manufacture everything form battleships to Querule watches. But we will have to wait for the subs to come out to find for sure what he is explaining in the that scene. They definitely seem to have some type of agenda in this.

It also seems that they also manufactured the SV-262 fighter for Windermere.

There's a reasonable amount of (controversial) real-world historical precedent for what Epsilon is doing. It's just that typically it's much less obvious at the time that it's happening, compared to Berger just strolling up to Xaos right after he was working with Roid. When it gets botched up it leads to things like Oliver North jamming up his shredder.

WWII has perfect examples of non combatant nation's corporations selling to both sides during the War in Europe.

Edited August 9, 2016 by Zinjo

[Zinjo]

Where is this image from?

[Seto Kaiba]

Where is this image from?

Armed-554.jpg

Judging by the printing style, art style, and choice of font, I would have to say that's very likely a photograph of a two-page spread from the forthcoming Variable Fighter Master File: VF-4 Lightning III.

None of the volumes released to date have had in-depth coverage of the ARMD-class space carriers... though previous volumes have referred to that particular version as ARMD II-class.

Does Epsilon Corporation make the Deneb class that was a part of the Galaxy fleet? It is kind of weird that Epsilon corporation appears to be operating both at Windermere and possibly with NUNS?

It'd be far from the first time a theoretically-evil corporation played both sides of a given conflict in Macross... Critical Path and General Galaxy have both done it already.

[kalvasflam]

None of the volumes released to date have had in-depth coverage of the ARMD-class space carriers... though previous volumes have referred to that particular version as ARMD II-class.

It'd be far from the first time a theoretically-evil corporation played both sides of a given conflict in Macross... Critical Path and General Galaxy have both done it already.

Ok, who is Critical Path? that name sounds familiar but don't recall it from any of the series, one of the games?

[aurance]

Ok, who is Critical Path? that name sounds familiar but don't recall it from any of the series, one of the games?

Bad guys in the VFX2 game I think.

[RedWolf]

Ok, who is Critical Path? that name sounds familiar but don't recall it from any of the series, one of the games?

Critical Path Corporation is a PMC and weapons manufacturing R&D company that dabbles in the black market in Macross VF-X2. They worked in collusion with the Earth supremacist organization Lactence and sold weapons to the Anti-UN group Black Rainbow.

They developed the Zauberflute a Fold Quartz enhanced comm system and the Sound Jamming System which uses the same technology to affect targeting systems. The Sound Jamming System emits an eerie music. Considering what Berger Stone said about Songs is ironic. Epsilon also installed the Zauberflute on the Sigur Valens.

This is Manfred Brando, president of the Critical Path Corporation. In Macross VF-X2 you first encounter him during the mission to escort the LST Embatrion. He flies a red VF-17 equipped with the Sound Jamming System. In the game Aegis Focker kills him. MF novels expands on this character. He was one of the sponsors of the 117th Research Fleet, was in charge of the investigation of its loss. He treated Ranka badly so Ozma punched him and got kicked out of service. He saved Grace from death. When he died he became a data entity known as Manfred and was one of the voices in Grace's head. So yeah part of the Galaxy conspiracy.

[Seto Kaiba]

Ok, who is Critical Path? that name sounds familiar but don't recall it from any of the series, one of the games?

The Critical Path Corporation is a rather unscrupulous interstellar megacorporation, mainly focused on the defense industry, which played a pivotal role in the rise of anti-government movements in the late 2040's and 2050's. Their two legitimate claims to fame are supplying munitions to the New UN Forces and having developed the first practical application of fold quartz in 2043, which prompted them to finance the 117th Research Fleet's expedition to the Gallia system in 2048. There's also some evidence they do shipbuilding as well.

Their illegitimate claims to fame include having been one of the key backers of Latence, the radical Earth supremacist faction of the New UN Forces which staged a coup in early 2051 and were foiled by the 727th Independent Squadron VF-X "Ravens". They're also known for being an extremely prolific supplier of weapons on the black market, mostly to anti-government groups like Struggle and Black Rainbow, and are believed to be responsible for having developed the Feios Valkyrie and many other unique mobile weapons used by terrorists in the 2040's and the 2050's... probably in the name of using those groups to carry out illegal weapons testing in the field in the same way General Galaxy was doing with Macross Galaxy's corporate army.

Critical Path Corporation is a PMC

Not a PMC, you've got "Security contractor" and "defense contractor" mixed up... they don't have a private army, they just develop and build weapons.

[aurance]

Lol, for whatever reason I read "Struggle" as "Snuggle". Badass.