Kanedas Bike Posted January 25, 2016 Posted January 25, 2016 All of this activity and I thought there was news of prices and pre-order info. -b. Quote
kajnrig Posted January 25, 2016 Posted January 25, 2016 (edited) Thank you. People around these parts get so damned defensive and passive aggressive whenever they come up against differing opinions; it's as if they feel personally slighted with an Earth-shattering insult if someone dares to not blindly follow the "perceived" prevailing view of a show or any aspect thereof... so dogmatic. Interesting you should see it that way, because from what I'VE noticed, it's been the other way around. Those who liked it when it first premiered didn't tell others that they were worse fans for not liking it. They didn't insult those who disliked the episode. On the other hand, those who didn't like it stated, explicitly (defensively) and implicitly (passive-aggressively), that to like it made one less of a fan/male/person. My first encounter was someone or other mentioning in the episode thread about how this show just wasn't meant for fans who have been there from the beginning, implying that there's a sharp division between Delta fans and old-school fans, on top of the implication that those who "have been there from the beginning" are more legitimate fans. As an old-school fan who happened to like the episode, I took umbrage with that generalization. And yes, it's an opinion, but opinions can be wrong. If your opinion is that the moon doesn't exist (props to jenius for edit), that's fine, but you're wrong. There's nothing saying that people shouldn't call you out for being wrong. As the discussions have gone on, those same little jabs have continued with little to no pushback, and yet when I make the same kind of jab going the other way, the pushback has been enormous. When people were espousing sexist, elitist opinions about the episode, very few among this forum were bothering to correct them. When I finally called a comment out for being just that, in a glib, dismissive tone, look at how quickly and how many people come out to say, in your words, that fans who like the episode's J-pop/magical girl/etc. elements are dogmatic and blindly following a perceived prevailing view of a show. My opinion was just an opinion. It's as if you feel personally slighted with an Earth-shattering insult if I dare to not blindly follow the "perceived" prevailing view of a show or any aspect thereof. So dogmatic. All of that is to say, in the bluntest of terms, that those who dislike the magical girl, bishounen, J-pop aspects of the show have routinely resorted to sexist and elitist rationales to explain themselves, without realizing and/or acknowledging that they're doing so. You don't like magical girl or J-pop aspects? Fine. That's understandable. Being (presumably) white, male, middle-class American, you probably didn't grow up in a culture that normalized the existence and tropes of those elements. But see, you didn't stop there. You didn't just say that they're not your cup of tea. You made the mistake of assuming that the "premise of frilly dressed magical girls singing and dancing their way through a battlefield with prancing VF-31s as chaperons" is "silly, eye roll inducing." The premise itself. The very idea of it is silly and eye roll inducing. Which is an untrue opinion, because it's based not on any inherent incompatibility but on an ASSUMPTION of incompatibility fostered by a limited view of the world. But like Kanedas Bike opined and I've been trying to do, that's the last I'll say about that and get back on topic. Feel free to take the last public word on the matter. Edited January 25, 2016 by kajnrig Quote
jenius Posted January 25, 2016 Posted January 25, 2016 Well I think we at least all agree that the DX VF-31 thread is no longer the place for such diversions. Also, I think you need an edit in your bit about the moon... I would suggest you go with "what color is the sun" but that's a joke because in the West it's orange or yellow and in the East it's red. Any who, I think everyone reading these opinions needs to infer a few more "in my opinion"s into what people write and don't try to sway people's opinions or disagree with them. Now that we know Bandai will be showing off the mini mecha collection Delta models at Winter Wonderfest, do we presume there will be no DX talk there? I thought Bandai didn't do toys at Wonderfest and instead saved those reveals for Tamashii Nations events. Quote
raptormesh Posted January 25, 2016 Posted January 25, 2016 (edited) So not wanting sailormoon analogues in my mecha porn series is being sexist? But but but...i love the female pilots! Equal opportunity and abilities etc. etc. (Absolutely zero sarcasm here) Hey wait, in fact not wanting females to be portrayed as lace wearing dancing and singing light monkeys is sexist? Oh I see, i must first acknowledge that i'm a sexist before making an argument that involves a female in any manner or form. Say, isn't that in itself that rather...sexist? Pretty sure I don't want boy bands in my mecha porn either. Equating the thing about the moon with opinions about some media content is such a stretch that it's like the biggest mind wedgie. I think you're doing the most assuming, and projecting here. I don't fit into your presumptuous profile(is this racism? heh heh heh), have been exposed (heh heh heh) to various media, and still think that it's a bit silly. Because i wants me some gritty military action more than singing. Sometimes it's that simple. Doesn't mean that I won't watch it though. I've watched plenty of silly stuff (which I have admitted, prior to declaring whether my opinions will be sexist and/or elitist - all stamped and sighted by the Justice of Peace). If you think people are wrong just to fart out a negative opinion about some media they watch anyway, well I guess it's a big deal to you. Sorry I'm just (in ozzie parlance) just taking the piss. Give me some sexy (sorry?) mecha and you won't believe how much I will endure. Case in point the 31. Ah yes the 31...so I was looking at the pictures again, particularly this one: The waist looks a bit thin, I have the 30 with a similarly sized waist and that looks a tad fragile as well. Has anyone have any trouble with the 30 waist? I kept mine mostly in fighter mode because of it. Reason I'm asking is because of the two forearm guns I was hoping to have this in battroid mode in more dynamic poses. Edited January 25, 2016 by raptormesh Quote
Mommar Posted January 25, 2016 Posted January 25, 2016 So not wanting sailormoon analogues in my mecha porn series is being sexist? But but but...i love the female pilots! Equal opportunity and abilities etc. etc. (Absolutely zero sarcasm here) Hey wait, in fact not wanting females to be portrayed as lace wearing dancing and singing light monkeys is sexist? Oh I see, i must first acknowledge that i'm a sexist before making an argument that involves a female in any manner or form. Say, isn't that in itself that rather...sexist? Pretty sure I don't want boy bands in my mecha porn either. Equating the thing about the moon with opinions about some media content is such a stretch that it's like the biggest mind wedgie. I think you're doing the most assuming, and projecting here. I don't fit into your presumptuous profile(is this racism? heh heh heh), have been exposed (heh heh heh) to various media, and still think that it's a bit silly. Because i wants me some gritty military action more than singing. Sometimes it's that simple. Doesn't mean that I won't watch it though. I've watched plenty of silly stuff (which I have admitted, prior to declaring whether my opinions will be sexist and/or elitist - all stamped and sighted by the Justice of Peace). If you think people are wrong just to fart out a negative opinion about some media they watch anyway, well I guess it's a big deal to you. Sorry I'm just (in ozzie parlance) just taking the piss. Give me some sexy (sorry?) mecha and you won't believe how much I will endure. Case in point the 31. Ah yes the 31...so I was looking at the pictures again, particularly this one: The waist looks a bit thin, I have the 30 with a similarly sized waist and that looks a tad fragile as well. Has anyone have any trouble with the 30 waist? I kept mine mostly in fighter mode because of it. Reason I'm asking is because of the two forearm guns I was hoping to have this in battroid mode in more dynamic poses. I've had one of my 30's perpetually in Battroid mode since I got it. It's been fine. Quote
Sildani Posted January 25, 2016 Posted January 25, 2016 Does it look like the 31 will need the braces the 30 needs, or was that only because of the waist twist gimmick? Quote
Kanedas Bike Posted January 25, 2016 Posted January 25, 2016 Does it look like the 31 will need the braces the 30 needs, or was that only because of the waist twist gimmick? My guess is unless Bandai modified that section for Battroid their very well could be an included brace. My 30 which has been posed in Battroid for months has never needed it, and *knocking on wood* still doesn't. Other people's mileage varied greatly. -b. Quote
kajnrig Posted January 25, 2016 Posted January 25, 2016 (edited) Is the brace much of an eyesore? Also keep in mind that those were pics of rushed prototypes, as someone(s) observed some pages back. People might also be interested in the recently announced Mecha Colle model kits. They're fixed fighter mode only, but the 3D models offer good looks at the potential panel line detail and perhaps some clues as to the transformation/articulation gimmicks. http://www.taghobby.com/1-0/1-2/bandai-2016%E5%B9%B44%E6%9C%88%E7%99%BC%E5%94%AE-%E6%A8%A1%E5%9E%8B-mecha-collection-%E3%80%8Amacross-%CE%B4macross-delta%E3%80%8Bvf-31-siegfried-fighter-modehayate%E6%A9%9F-500yen/ Edited January 25, 2016 by kajnrig Quote
Mommar Posted January 25, 2016 Posted January 25, 2016 My guess is unless Bandai modified that section for Battroid their very well could be an included brace. My 30 which has been posed in Battroid for months has never needed it, and *knocking on wood* still doesn't. Other people's mileage varied greatly. -b. As far as I can tell I'm the only one who had problems without the brace. Both of my 30's just don't hold together without the brace. Quote
jenius Posted January 25, 2016 Posted January 25, 2016 Going off memory, I felt, like mine worked without them but it was better with them. Quote
derex3592 Posted January 25, 2016 Posted January 25, 2016 Mine worked without them, but is just a little more firm if you use them, like Jenius said. You can't tell they are even there really, so why not use them... Quote
VF5SS Posted January 25, 2016 Posted January 25, 2016 (edited) Because i wants me some gritty military action more than singing. Muv-luv is right over here, comrade. https://twitter.com/Crunchyroll/status/686311209738448896 Edited January 25, 2016 by VF5SS Quote
Bariaburu Faita Posted January 25, 2016 Posted January 25, 2016 oh the irony, using a teenage harem porn game as an example of gritty military action. Muv-luv is right over here, comrade. https://twitter.com/Crunchyroll/status/686311209738448896 Quote
VF5SS Posted January 25, 2016 Posted January 25, 2016 (edited) oh the irony, using a teenage harem porn game as an example of gritty military action. shhhhhhhhh... they don't need to know that besides, Schwarzesmarken is fairly light on the usual muv-luv tropes (and the anime is surprisingly chaste given its source material) Edited January 25, 2016 by VF5SS Quote
neoexcaliber Posted January 25, 2016 Posted January 25, 2016 (edited) shhhhhhhhh... they don't need to know that besides, Schwarzesmarken is fairly light on the usual muv-luv tropes (and the anime is surprisingly chaste given its source material) I don't think he's a fan of the other Muv-luv. Edited January 25, 2016 by neoexcaliber Quote
Graham Posted January 26, 2016 Posted January 26, 2016 I've never needed to use the brace on my 30 Quote
raptormesh Posted January 27, 2016 Posted January 27, 2016 Thanks for the replies guys, glad to know it's not as fragile as I thought. I didn't really like using the bracers, but now have less qualms about buying the 31 (Waiting for landing gear pics). For now I'll go transform my 30 and have em do sit ups. Quote
Guest davidwhangchoi Posted January 31, 2016 Posted January 31, 2016 (edited) Just going to bump this list once a week or bi-weekly until the series starts. if anyone is not on the list and wishes to be added on just post your list and i'll update it later at night. Macross World member's favorite VF-31 delta 02 is in the lead for favorite valks only 2 members like main hero delta 05 as the best Delta 01 -pilot* Arad Mölders -associated waifu*** Mikumo Guynemer Seti88 Scyla Andy NYK barurutor derex3592 (tie w/ delta 02) no3ljm Ignacio Ocamica Shukenzero Spanner76 valhary sandman Dio Delta 02 -pilot* Messer Ihlefeld -associated waifu*** Kaname Buccaneer Raptor One Saburo (tie w/ delta 04) Graham chyll2 derex3592 (tie w/ delta 01) Sildani Kaneda's Bike charger69 Moosey raptormesh akteon NZEOD RocketGTR GabrielV Delta 03 -pilot* Chuck Mustang -associated waifu Reina Prowler Major Focker wmkjr (tie w/ delta 04) Delta 04 -pilot* Mirage Fallyna Jenius -associated waifu*** Makina Nakajima davidwhangchoi mod David Saburo (tie w/ delta 02) Bub wmkjr (tie w/ delta 03) Delta 05 -pilot** Hayate Immelmann -associated waifu*** Freyja Wion abbadon Lorindor will update weekly or bi-weekly. more frequent when we get closer to pre-order stage. * may be subject to change **not seen yet in anime *** speculated based on interactions Edited February 2, 2016 by davidwhangchoi Quote
Kanedas Bike Posted January 31, 2016 Posted January 31, 2016 Just going to bump this list once a week or bi-weekly until the series starts. if anyone is not on the list and wishes to be added on just post your list and i'll update it later at night. Macross World member's favorite VF-31 delta 02 is in the lead for favorite valks no one except one likes main hero delta 05 *snip* Well I'm still going to buy at least 2 Delta 05's. - So I at least "kinda" like it. -b. Quote
Guest davidwhangchoi Posted January 31, 2016 Posted January 31, 2016 Well I'm still going to buy at least 2 Delta 05's. - So I at least "kinda" like it. -b. yeah, i think so too haha Quote
Sildani Posted January 31, 2016 Posted January 31, 2016 How's this: I don't dislike any of them. But as I'm only buying one, it'll be Ihlefeld's mount that will get my money. Quote
Lorindor Posted February 1, 2016 Posted February 1, 2016 As I've mentioned, the Delta 05 is maybe not technically my favourite scheme, but since it's the main character's and will likely be the most iconic valk of the series, it's the only sure buy for me. But I'm not sure if that is enough to add me to the list. Quote
Scyla Posted February 1, 2016 Posted February 1, 2016 Maybe Delta 05 gets a cool skull emblem tattooed on its back later in the show. So it can be as cool as Delta 01 and 02. Maybe he gets an Idolmaster paint-job with a gigantic Freya on it. That leads me to the question why they don't have an Idolmaster paint-job from the get go? Looks awesome to me! Quote
seti88 Posted February 1, 2016 Posted February 1, 2016 (edited) considering the back and forth opinions on the walkure, idol paint jobs may be the point of no return for some..... Macross F had some ranka and sheryl vf25's idol kits but i dont thk they were exactly sold out items... Edited February 1, 2016 by seti88 Quote
GabrielV Posted February 1, 2016 Posted February 1, 2016 Yeah, I already dislike the giant icons on the back. I didn't like it on Ozma's VF-25 and I don't like it here. But having pictures of the singers painted on them would just ruin it for my motivation to own the toy. Anything is possible. Maybe tomorrow I will see the most awesome job ever done of painting one of the characters on the fighter, and I will change my mind. But for right now, to me, that kind of thing makes the Valkyries look like some kind of custom space van or something. It just isn't the kind of thing I want. And since these things would probably cost me $200 minimum each, they better be exactly what I want. Quote
chyll2 Posted February 1, 2016 Posted February 1, 2016 Yeah, I already dislike the giant icons on the back. I didn't like it on Ozma's VF-25 and I don't like it here. I am pretty sure you are on the minority here. Quote
kajnrig Posted February 1, 2016 Posted February 1, 2016 Were there any of these anime-decaled itasha planes in real life? Like demonstrator aircraft, acrobatics teams, etc. I've been seriously considering getting the Ranka/Klan idol planes for a change of pace from the same old VF-25s. Quote
GabrielV Posted February 1, 2016 Posted February 1, 2016 I am pretty sure you are on the minority here. That's fine. I'm not saying I have the one true preference above all others. I'm just saying I don't like that kind of thing on MY valkyrie, and doing a poor job of explaining why. So if there are versions with idol star paint jobs. Those aren't for me. The ones with big symbols painted on the back. Meh. I'd prefer to not have those. Valkyrie painted in basic colors? That's the kind of thing I prefer. So, if I bought one, one without the icons or idol singers would be top of my list. If one like that isn't made, well that's my problem and my problem alone. Quote
Vifam7 Posted February 1, 2016 Posted February 1, 2016 Were there any of these anime-decaled itasha planes in real life? Like demonstrator aircraft, acrobatics teams, etc. I've been seriously considering getting the Ranka/Klan idol planes for a change of pace from the same old VF-25s. Quote
Guest davidwhangchoi Posted February 1, 2016 Posted February 1, 2016 As I've mentioned, the Delta 05 is maybe not technically my favourite scheme, but since it's the main character's and will likely be the most iconic valk of the series, it's the only sure buy for me. But I'm not sure if that is enough to add me to the list. added you the the list. wow, we got 2 Quote
wmkjr Posted February 1, 2016 Posted February 1, 2016 As of now, It's a tie for me for Delta 3 (I like the islander vibe of Chuck, it's yellow, plus the Radome) and Delta 4 (because of Makina's on board), 1, 2, then 5 Quote
Guest davidwhangchoi Posted February 2, 2016 Posted February 2, 2016 As of now, It's a tie for me for Delta 3 (I like the islander vibe of Chuck, it's yellow, plus the Radome) and Delta 4 (because of Makina's on board), 1, 2, then 5 awesome another delta 03 and delta 04 pick. list updated. Quote
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