skullmilitia Posted October 23, 2015 Posted October 23, 2015 Thats what I said a long time ago. From what i had heard, myself from digging around is that FB2012 is a clusterf***. Apparently some of the artists and song writers hold a piece of the pie. Not just a matter of coops between studios. Thats the best i could do with limited language knowledge. It was enough that i stopped digging. Quote
Reaction Warhead Posted October 23, 2015 Posted October 23, 2015 So, BW just didn't understand copy right laws or something back in the 80s? They had problems with the original Macross with HG, and now I heard the rights to FB2012 is also a big mess. Quote
jenius Posted October 23, 2015 Posted October 23, 2015 FB2012 wasn't part of the theatrical release, it's a weird byproduct. I doubt anyone would have ever guessed merchandise wold be made for it. Quote
aceoftherebellion Posted October 23, 2015 Posted October 23, 2015 I don't think he's misunderstanding, I think he's just adding a bit of real world flavor to my speculation that ends at approximately the same place. The existence of a gashapon VF-4 in DYRL scheme doesn't really tell us anything about the possibility of a more deluxe toy ever bearing that paint scheme and doesn't indicate that Bandai has any rights locked up or anything like that. I still think that BW doesn't have the rights sorted out themselves and so they can't license it... but that's again just me speculating. I can't think of any other reason why they'd choose not to get ANY money from the license instead of whatever Arcadia would be willing to pay. That's exactly what I meant, right on the head. I'm far from a perfect expert on the japanese toy market, but my understanding is that the licencing restrictions for Gashapon style figures are much, much looser, as nobody really expects that to be a particularly large market. It's the same way we look at say, T-shirt sales here. Like a fringe benefit, which as the man said, puts us exactly in the same spot. I rather suspect the same thing in regards to FB2012's licencing issues, and Skullmilitia adds a good bonus point to that. Older music rights can be a lot harder to clear than you'd think, since in so many cases the original copyright holders have either defaulted and sold their rights to other firms, or music rights now lay with estates rather than the original composers/arrangers/singers/whoever else is involved. A kind of similar snafu happened with the localization of Zeta Gundam, where Bandai of America couldn't secure any of the music rights and had to ship the US DVDs with certain audio-tracks replaced with alternative recordings (Something I'm still disapointed with over a decade later, hrmph) If the FB2012 rights are as convoluted as that, it doesn't surprise me in the least that there might be too much red-tape attached to make it worthwhile. So, BW just didn't understand copy right laws or something back in the 80s? They had problems with the original Macross with HG, and now I heard the rights to FB2012 is also a big mess. Copyright laws were different in the 80s. It was the same climate that allowed Takara to release the entire pre-G1 transformers line with unauthorized/unlicenced automotive likenesses. It's less that nobody understood copyright laws and more that nobody really expected the home video market to actually become a factor. Macross was made as a one-and-done sort of thing, make a TV show, air it a few runs, sell some toys, move on to the next. The copyrights weren't really locked down satisfactorily, likely, because nobody thought it would matter. This was only a decade or so after the BBC was outright deleting old Doctor Who episodes because they figured they'd never need them again, so the global climate regarding TV distributuion rights was just a liiiiittle bit different! They sure didn't anticipate there ever being sequels or a company producing high-end-collectables 30 years later. Hell, the Tatsunoko Vs. Big West thing wasn't even settled until the 00s. Quote
eggy99 Posted October 23, 2015 Posted October 23, 2015 With all the talk of Arcadia likely not releasing a FB2012 variant I'm strongly thinking about getting this VFX release. I know I'll have fun converting it into the FB2012 paint scheme Quote
Lolicon Posted October 23, 2015 Posted October 23, 2015 With all the talk of Arcadia likely not releasing a FB2012 variant I'm strongly thinking about getting this VFX release. I know I'll have fun converting it into the FB2012 paint scheme At the very least, just repainting the nose yellow, the upper stabilizers black, and throwing on some skull decals makes it look 10x better and is pretty easy to do. Quote
Guest davidwhangchoi Posted October 23, 2015 Posted October 23, 2015 At the very least, just repainting the nose yellow, the upper stabilizers black, and throwing on some skull decals makes it look 10x better and is pretty easy to do. just no brown feet Quote
Saburo Posted October 23, 2015 Posted October 23, 2015 (edited) Arcadia page shows the price of the VF-4G will be 27,000円 and will be released in Feb. This will be my birthday present to myself, maybe even 2 of them. http://arcadia.ac/products/detail.php?product_id=228 Edited October 23, 2015 by Saburo Quote
wmkjr Posted October 23, 2015 Posted October 23, 2015 (edited) Yes! Gotta figure out how much to get. Thanks for the heads up! Now to figure out how to afford them! I hope this release helps Arcadia out for future releases. Edited October 23, 2015 by wmkjr Quote
Lolicon Posted October 23, 2015 Posted October 23, 2015 just no brown feet Brown feet? Only 27000 yen? That's a little higher than the Yamato price, if I remember correctly. Definitely in for two at that price! Quote
Guest davidwhangchoi Posted October 23, 2015 Posted October 23, 2015 Arcadia page shows the price of the VF-4G will be 27,000円 and will be released in Feb. This will be my birthday present to myself, maybe even 2 of them. http://arcadia.ac/products/detail.php?product_id=228 oh man i might get 3x, thanks for the heads up saburo! Quote
seti88 Posted October 23, 2015 Posted October 23, 2015 Arcadia page shows the price of the VF-4G will be 27,000円 and will be released in Feb. This will be my birthday present to myself, maybe even 2 of them. http://arcadia.ac/products/detail.php?product_id=228 that probably means a huge drop in after market prices of existing 4g's till then! Quote
jenius Posted October 23, 2015 Posted October 23, 2015 Brown feet? Only 27000 yen? That's a little higher than the Yamato price, if I remember correctly. Definitely in for two at that price! Only minor inflation higher, that's a nice surprise! Quote
Guest davidwhangchoi Posted October 23, 2015 Posted October 23, 2015 (edited) looks like they will include a vf-1 gunpod for those special ordering from their online store (limited) source mr.k https://twitter.com/OnlineArcadia/status/657440703295819776 and mr. k adds the 4g is cheaper this time around Edited October 23, 2015 by davidwhangchoi Quote
seti88 Posted October 23, 2015 Posted October 23, 2015 looks like they will include a vf-1 gunpod for those special ordering from their online store (limited) source mr.k https://twitter.com/OnlineArcadia/status/657440703295819776 a free yellow nose cone would be nice also... i take it we wont be able to source it then if we go thru the online retailers? Quote
eggy99 Posted October 23, 2015 Posted October 23, 2015 (edited) Awesome price. Glad it isn't over priced. I think I'm in for one now Gunpod not a big deal for me. Planning on displaying in fighter mode only HLJ order for me At the very least, just repainting the nose yellow, the upper stabilizers black, and throwing on some skull decals makes it look 10x better and is pretty easy to do. You know I can't leave it at just that. I got go all the way. Panel lining, weathering, dry brushing, the whole shabang! Edited October 23, 2015 by eggy99 Quote
neoexcaliber Posted October 23, 2015 Posted October 23, 2015 That's a pleasant surprise. These were going for 25,700 (excluding discounts) 3 years ago so it's only a 5% bump. Quote
Guest davidwhangchoi Posted October 23, 2015 Posted October 23, 2015 That's a pleasant surprise. These were going for 25,700 (excluding discounts) 3 years ago so it's only a 5% bump. i'm going to have to disagree with you there. Mr. K is taking account of inflation. it's much cheaper than the 330usd that the yamato was. (if we don't take into account inflation: we can claim big macs were just 25 cents back in the day) i take it we wont be able to source it then if we go thru the online retailers? yeah, but no biggie, it's just a standard vf-1 gun pod Quote
neoexcaliber Posted October 23, 2015 Posted October 23, 2015 (edited) i'm going to have to disagree with you there. Mr. K is taking account of inflation. it's much cheaper than the 330usd that the yamato was. (if we don't take into account inflation: we can claim big macs were just 25 cents back in the day) yeah, but no biggie, it's just a standard vf-1 gun pod There's nothing to disagree with since I'm merely stating the figures. Apple to apple, it's a 5.1% increase in price (in yen) without taking inflation into account. Edited October 23, 2015 by neoexcaliber Quote
jenius Posted October 23, 2015 Posted October 23, 2015 Exchange rates do not equate to inflation... Quote
Zonnet Posted October 23, 2015 Posted October 23, 2015 Wow, that's a really nice price. Is the store order (with gun pod) for Japanese customers only? Quote
Guest davidwhangchoi Posted October 23, 2015 Posted October 23, 2015 (edited) There's nothing to disagree with since I'm merely stating the figures. Apple to apple, it's a 5.1% increase in price without taking inflation into account. 1000yen in 1980 does not equal 1000yen in 2015. neither does 27000yen in 2013 = 27000yen in 2015. the yen is weak to other currencies right now. especially since it's being made in china i'm sure the prices have to increase due to the exchange rate is weak against the yuan. this is definitely a decrease in price almost 90- 100 usd. but whatever, the bottom line it's cheaper... after some discounts this will be around 230 shipped. but that may not be the case for all exchange rates against the yen in other countries... Edited October 23, 2015 by davidwhangchoi Quote
Reaction Warhead Posted October 23, 2015 Posted October 23, 2015 27000 yen MSRP. So, that's about $225 USD for this Arcadia VF-4. Well, I am officially all in for this release. I can hear a collective sigh of reliefs over the pricing of this valk. I'm not really that excited about the gun pod that came with ordering through Arcadia, since it won't ever transform into that ugly battroid or weird looking gerwalk mode. Quote
JLYC Posted October 23, 2015 Posted October 23, 2015 one thing i have learned in collecting over the past decade is that most of the time, patience instead of paying inflated secondary market prices pays off long shot, but hope they'd redo the SDF1 too...never say never! Quote
no3Ljm Posted October 23, 2015 Posted October 23, 2015 Arcadia page shows the price of the VF-4G will be 27,000円 and will be released in Feb. This will be my birthday present to myself, maybe even 2 of them. http://arcadia.ac/products/detail.php?product_id=228 Thanks for the headsup on the price, Saburo. Looks like I'm IN for my 3rd one because of the price. If the Arcadia box looks great, 4th one. Quote
spanner Posted October 23, 2015 Posted October 23, 2015 (edited) crikey! only 27k yen! that is quite a bit cheaper than I was expecting! That's still a just over $300 toy (give or take) for us Aussies which I guess ain't tooooo bad. Definitely worth some consideration. So from what I gather from the translation, only the first 20 ordered online from the site get the bonus gunpod? If so that's an extremely limited offer! Geez Arcadia can be quite the tight arse.. I guess none of us mere mortals (outside of japan) will get even a remote shot of that opportunity.. I think most folks would have been happy to pay an extra 1000k yen on top of the price for the inclusion of the gunpod as standard. Wouldn't you all agree? I mean seriously how much can that gun pod be actually worth to manufacture? Then again it does have the unspacy logo tampo'd on it and we all know how Arcadia likes to keep tampo printing to the bare minimum.. Edited October 23, 2015 by spanner76 Quote
Scream Man Posted October 23, 2015 Posted October 23, 2015 $308 Aussie at todays echange rate. Not to bad, I might consider it Quote
wmkjr Posted October 23, 2015 Posted October 23, 2015 So it's about the same asking price as when the Yamato one was released but due to the current exchange rate (for US folks) it's turns out to be cheaper than the Yamato version. Hopefully it can bring in folks who missed the first one. Quote
Lolicon Posted October 23, 2015 Posted October 23, 2015 You know I can't leave it at just that. I got go all the way. Panel lining, weathering, dry brushing, the whole shabang! Oh I know the feeling all too well. I plan on revisiting the VF-4 and doing a better job than I did the first time around once I get Arcadia's rereleases. No grey VF-4 noses in my house, good sir! Quote
derex3592 Posted October 23, 2015 Posted October 23, 2015 Wow. I must say I'm impressed with that price. I'll definitely be getting one to go along side my Yamato VF-4 Quote
seti88 Posted October 23, 2015 Posted October 23, 2015 (edited) one thing i have learned in collecting over the past decade is that most of the time, patience instead of paying inflated secondary market prices pays off long shot, but hope they'd redo the SDF1 too...never say never! I hear ya....its generally the case... though there is one which has been rare to catch which i hope they will re-release...virgin road.... Edited October 23, 2015 by seti88 Quote
Sildani Posted October 23, 2015 Posted October 23, 2015 (edited) Much cheaper than I thought it would be. I'm in for one. Oh, I haven't seen it mentioned yet, but pre-orders start Monday, the 26th. Edited October 23, 2015 by Sildani Quote
calubin_175 Posted October 23, 2015 Posted October 23, 2015 (edited) Aussie folks, are you guys getting it from TFI? I got the VF-0S from NY and now TFI's price is a bit cheaper. Looks like if you purchase direct from Arcadia, the VF-1 gunpod is included. Edited October 23, 2015 by calubin_175 Quote
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