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Gubaba Super Dimension Member

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Did they get in trouble for putting subtitles on the Frontier movies? :huh:

No, but (as others have pointed out elsewhere) it could open them up to accusations that they're trying to market the films to areas where they don't have the rights, which would be infringing on HG's trademark.

Same reason Evolution Toys decided not to put English instructions with the VF-2SS.

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No, but (as others have pointed out elsewhere) it could open them up to accusations that they're trying to market the films to areas where they don't have the rights, which would be infringing on HG's trademark.

Same reason Evolution Toys decided not to put English instructions with the VF-2SS.

As long as it's within their territory, they can put whatever they want on their releases, as long as it's not the robotech dub.

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Zinjo Galactic Diva

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They can, yes, but it could still open them up to a potential lawsuit from HG.

That seems a bit thin to me.

HG can accuse BW of whatever they want. The reality is, that they have to provide "proof" of such an intention like advertisements to English fans on English speaking sites like MW or ANN and demonstrate how these intentions, which won't exist, are in violation of their "trademarks".

The MF movies had no such marketing and they contained subtitltes, hence no grounds for HG to launch any suit.

BW can simply counter any legal challenge with the explanation "it is for the benefit of Japanese fans or English speaking fans living in Japan or both". A reasonable counter argument that a judge would accept and subsequently dismiss the lawsuit.

It may not even get that far as it is a suit that would have to be launched in Japan as that is where the products originate from.

Listing subs as part of the specs of a release cannot be proven as marketing to Western fans, it is factual information about the product.

Western Fans have every legal right to import these products directly from Japan without fear of legal action.

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Zinjo, what you are arguing is one side of a legal question. In a court there would be another side arguing against that. In the middle you have a judge and/or jury.

So, it's not that cut and dry. All legal questions need both sides, and the issue here is 99% of the Japanese population speaks Japanese. There are four times as many US military personnel (that count as Western market abroad) than there are "non-Japanese" that count towards the population.

It doesn't take much to argue that if they KNOW a significant amount of product is exported outside of Japan that they are allowing their product to encroach on HG's territory. In other words, if too much is exported it could be argued that they are negligent or intentionally encroaching.

This argument doesn't apply for their other properties where they already have exclusive ownership worldwide. If they sell something with English subs to a territory without a license, no ones rights are being infringed upon. There is no territory to defend.

I wish your argument was true, but it isn't.

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Man, to heck with all this. I WANT to see HG sue Big West. And none of this "settle out of court, sealed outcome, sworn to secrecy" nonsense.

I want this to go a real trial, with HG's original distribution contract entered as evidence in the public record. They claim they own the entire franchise outside Japan? Fine, they can prove it. Show EVERYONE the documents that say so.

If it happens, and they actually produce a contract that says what they claim, I will publicly apologize for ever speaking ill of them. Hell, I'll go out and buy every copy of Shadow Chronicles still plugging the shelves at my local retail facilities. I'll even WATCH it. Once per disk! I may be watching Shadow Chroncles non-stop for WEEKS!

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Man, to heck with all this. I WANT to see HG sue Big West. And none of this "settle out of court, sealed outcome, sworn to secrecy" nonsense.

I want this to go a real trial, with HG's original distribution contract entered as evidence in the public record. They claim they own the entire franchise outside Japan? Fine, they can prove it. Show EVERYONE the documents that say so.

If it happens, and they actually produce a contract that says what they claim, I will publicly apologize for ever speaking ill of them. Hell, I'll go out and buy every copy of Shadow Chronicles still plugging the shelves at my local retail facilities. I'll even WATCH it. Once per disk! I may be watching Shadow Chroncles non-stop for WEEKS!

That isn't the issue and hasn't been for 13 years now. HG does not claim that they own the franchise.

What they do own is the registered trademark for the term MACROSS (among others) in all territories outside of Japan.

Meaning nothing bearing the name gets out of Japan without going through them.

In short, they don't claim to own the Macross sequels.

But the effect of the trademark is that they own the right to the right to distribute them.

Which effectively blocks everything because no one in Japan wants to have anything to do with them, let alone set any sort or precedent by doing so.

There's an entire thread dedicated to this topic though so I'll leave it at that.

As for subs on DYRL, as with any older Anime, there's a mess of rights issues. Members of the production committee closing down or dying off, internal issues among the relevant parties, etc.

why do you think the blurays of Yamato 2199 got subs but the blurays of the original didn't? Same goes for Gundam.

All we can hope is that, as with many other Bandai Visual shows, new iterations in franchises get subs. The older ones are a lost cause.

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After checking out macross.jp today, it appears the censored scenes are going to be restored.

I'm also given the impression that some form of grain removal has been applied.

On the one hand I'm glad, but on the other hand I have to buy yet another copy of DYRL.
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I wonder why LE is 115 minutes, and Standard is 122 minutes and has much higher sales rank (price difference isn't much). I'd like to buy from the English sites, but they're appear to be Standard + tentative(?) 115 minutes. Or just typo?

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I wonder why LE is 115 minutes, and Standard is 122 minutes and has much higher sales rank (price difference isn't much). I'd like to buy from the English sites, but they're appear to be Standard + tentative(?) 115 minutes. Or just typo?

The time notation is probably a typo. According to macross.jp, the amazon LE releases all have an exclusive slip case.

(amazon.jp notes the same: a 3-way back case...odd google machine translation)

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Perfect edition (1999): very windowbox, interlace from hell.

Remastered edition (2007): windowbox, grainy, video glitch, audio popping.

Just want to make a few corrections here.

I finally took my Perfect edition out of mothball after more than 10 years to watch it. And found it was better than I thought.

It is windowboxed more-or-less similarly to the remastered edition. It is interlaced, sure, but HandBrake manages to deinterlace most of it properly, except for some panning scenes.

How does it compare to the remastered edition? The colors are more saturated, it is bluish where the remastered edition is grayish, and the blacks are crushed -- no details in dark areas at all. Other than that, it is good enough.

Three oddities, though. It lingers on one scene (Hikaru and Misa at the re-surfaced city) one second longer, so the two went out of sync. After re-syncing, the remastered edition lingers on another scene (musicians trying to fit the DYRL tune) one second longer, so they went out of sync again. The video glitch in the remastered edition did not cause any sync issue, though.

Here's a screenshot of me playing all three at the same time. The videos have been re-encoded to H.264, denoised and resized to 360p, though.

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The remastered edition is slightly wider on the right side, and the blu-ray is even more slightly wider on that side. But that is almost negligible.

For the Flashback 2012 ending, the blu-ray is noticably sharper, even though this part is upscaled? The words are smaller on the blu-ray, so it looks like there is a textless version.

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(The end credits are not identical.)

Edit: once the new blu-ray is out, I will be able to play four at the same time! :p

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Zinjo Galactic Diva

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That isn't the issue and hasn't been for 13 years now. HG does not claim that they own the franchise.

What they do own is the registered trademark for the term MACROSS (among others) in all territories outside of Japan.

Meaning nothing bearing the name gets out of Japan without going through them.

In short, they don't claim to own the Macross sequels.

But the effect of the trademark is that they own the right to the right to distribute them.

Which effectively blocks everything because no one in Japan wants to have anything to do with them, let alone set any sort or precedent by doing so.

There's an entire thread dedicated to this topic though so I'll leave it at that.

As for subs on DYRL, as with any older Anime, there's a mess of rights issues. Members of the production committee closing down or dying off, internal issues among the relevant parties, etc.

why do you think the blurays of Yamato 2199 got subs but the blurays of the original didn't? Same goes for Gundam.

All we can hope is that, as with many other Bandai Visual shows, new iterations in franchises get subs. The older ones are a lost cause.

That is very true, the DYRL rights question is a spider web mess that no one has the stones or deep pockets to take on.

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Well, according to the official BV site, they're supposed to be out on the 29th, and it's still the evening of the 27th here in Tokyo.

However, I was walking along the "Sun Road" shopping area in Kichijoji (which Shogo Yahagi totally trashed in Megazone 23 Part II) on Monday and I noticed a DVD shop had this sign:
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Out on the 20th?? I went in but found nothing. (Well, not nothing: most DVD stores are mostly porn, these days...)

I'm sure it's just a misprint. Hopefully Amazon gets my copy of The Galaxy is Calling Me before the Mylene Party event on the 30th, because Mica Okudoi will be there and I want her to sign it. Or I'll probably just get her to sign my LD version. ;)

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Out on the 20th?? I went in but found nothing. (Well, not nothing: most DVD stores are mostly porn, these days...)

Maybe it was sold out? :D

Video stores are relics...

I'll be watching this thread very closely to see how the new blu-ray is like. ^_^

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I asked this same question at the SCOOPUDA thread:

About the DYRL? Blu-ray. How many versions does it have and what are the differences? I heard/read something about a Regular version, a Tsutaya version and an Amazon Japan version. Is this true?

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I asked this same question at the SCOOPUDA thread:

About the DYRL? Blu-ray. How many versions does it have and what are the differences? I heard/read something about a Regular version, a Tsutaya version and an Amazon Japan version. Is this true?

There are three store-exclusive variants. Check out the bottom of this page.

https://www.bandaivisual.co.jp/macross_bd/

The content of the discs is the same, but there are some bonus inserts and/or packaging extras.

The Animate version comes with an illustration card. The Amazon version comes with a bonus slipcase. The Tsutaya version comes with bromides (illustrations printed on photo stock paper).

OT: So if i get over 5000 posts do i become an Uncharismatic Hermaphrodite? Or is that custom?

;)

It's custom. Our mods think they're geniuses. Or should I say Jeniuses. :p

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