treatment Posted October 1, 2015 Posted October 1, 2015 (edited) fyi. ami (4320y): http://www.amiami.com/top/detail/detail?gcode=MED-DVD2-30285 cdj (5000y) : http://www.cdjapan.co.jp/product/BCXA-1058 1/16 release. GO! Edited October 1, 2015 by treatment Quote
lavinrac Posted October 1, 2015 Posted October 1, 2015 I will be watching this thread for word of subs or at least reversal of crappy censorship Quote
Tochiro Posted October 1, 2015 Posted October 1, 2015 You should be watching the scoopda thread where this has been discussed since last week ;-) Quote
technoblue Posted October 2, 2015 Posted October 2, 2015 The preview cover art for DYRL is almost enough to temp me to double dip, but I am also interested in learning more about the v2 HD visuals. Quote
Hikuro Posted October 2, 2015 Posted October 2, 2015 according to CD Japan, this is not a Version 2, this is simply a reissue of the previous release a couple years ago. Quote
Renato Posted October 2, 2015 Posted October 2, 2015 As I explained in the other thread, the official Bandai Visual product description says that the HD master has been "brushed up" to give an even higher picture quality. And we already know it is not a straight reissue of the previous release because it is not a Hybrid disc, plus it has an all-new audio commentary. https://bvc.bandaivisual.co.jp/shop/itemdetail/BCXA-1058/ Quote
nhyone Posted October 2, 2015 Posted October 2, 2015 Hopefully this will be the "perfect" edition and be free of glitches. There has been 3 releases so far, all have their own issues. Perfect edition (1999): very windowbox, interlace from hell. Remastered edition (2007): windowbox, grainy, video glitch, audio popping. Blu-ray (2012): soft in some parts, violence censored, altered music track. Quote
JetJockey Posted October 7, 2015 Posted October 7, 2015 One day they will release the best DYRL edition. I refuse to play the double, triple, dip game. Quote
Gubaba Posted October 7, 2015 Posted October 7, 2015 One day they will release the best DYRL edition. I refuse to play the double, triple, dip game. No, they won't. Because they're never release it in mono again. Quote
Renato Posted October 7, 2015 Posted October 7, 2015 One day they will release the best DYRL edition. I refuse to play the double, triple, dip game. Which version do you actually have, then? Quote
Keith Posted October 8, 2015 Posted October 8, 2015 Hopefully this will be the "perfect" edition and be free of glitches. There has been 3 releases so far, all have their own issues. Perfect edition (1999): very windowbox, interlace from hell. Remastered edition (2007): windowbox, grainy, video glitch, audio popping. Blu-ray (2012): soft in some parts, violence censored, altered music track. Pretty sure the BD had a seperate audio optiom with an unaltered track. Quote
UN Spacy Posted October 8, 2015 Posted October 8, 2015 I will GLADLY double dip if they released it with English subs. The subs in the Frontier D-Shudista BD's were perfect. Why not make this standard (like with the Yamato 2199 BD's)? Quote
nhyone Posted October 8, 2015 Posted October 8, 2015 Pretty sure the BD had a seperate audio optiom with an unaltered track. Yes, you are right, the music plays on track 2! Now the question is, why did they remove it on the 5.1 track? Quote
Renato Posted October 8, 2015 Posted October 8, 2015 Yes, you are right, the music plays on track 2! Now the question is, why did they remove it on the 5.1 track? Because Yasunori Honda and Shoji Kawamori wanted it gone. They said the opening strands of the DYRL song had more impact without that BGM playing beforehand. I disagree, but they did explain it. In fact, I went into detail on this subject several times here, mostly in the previous DYRL BD thread. Oh, actually I even made a whole news post about it: http://www.macrossworld.com/the-men-who-made-macross-special-airs/ Quote
Mechapilot77 Posted October 8, 2015 Posted October 8, 2015 i'm bitter there are no subs....again. when will i get to own a decent copy of this with subs....i mean they subbed the frontier movies...why not this? Quote
no3Ljm Posted October 8, 2015 Posted October 8, 2015 i'm bitter there are no subs....again. when will i get to own a decent copy of this with subs....i mean they subbed the frontier movies...why not this? I sense some 'big ego' company is behind all this. HG-sense tingling. Quote
nhyone Posted October 8, 2015 Posted October 8, 2015 Because Yasunori Honda and Shoji Kawamori wanted it gone. They said the opening strands of the DYRL song had more impact without that BGM playing beforehand. I disagree, but they did explain it. In fact, I went into detail on this subject several times here, mostly in the previous DYRL BD thread. Oh, actually I even made a whole news post about it: http://www.macrossworld.com/the-men-who-made-macross-special-airs/ I read that entire thread and the news post, but someone must have edited my memory. Everyone has different thresholds and criteria whether to buy, or most likely, to re-dip again. I do think people -- other than the hard-core -- are hesitant to buy out-of-sight, given the past issues. At least that's the case for me. For me, the blu-ray's biggest issue is not the censoring nor altered music track. I always felt the two scenes are unexpectedly violent compared to the rest of the movie, so I'm fine either way. Rather, the video quality is extremely variable. From sharp to soft to out-of-focus to grainy, repeatedly. Quote
Renato Posted October 9, 2015 Posted October 9, 2015 For me, the blu-ray's biggest issue is not the censoring nor altered music track. I always felt the two scenes are unexpectedly violent compared to the rest of the movie, so I'm fine either way. Rather, the video quality is extremely variable. From sharp to soft to out-of-focus to grainy, repeatedly. Yeah. I think a lot of that was just the way it was filmed, and this is the clearest picture ever available on home video, making all those "mistakes" all the more obvious. But, as they claim that the picture has been improved further still, who knows. It might still surprise. Quote
Gakken85 Posted October 23, 2015 Posted October 23, 2015 Man. I got this guy arguing with me on a youtube channel that Plus is better than DYRL. I tried to explain to him that it's like comparing T1 to the Sarah Conner Chronicles. I know some of the younger folks might have had their first exposeure to plus... but that don't make it right. Quote
Renato Posted October 23, 2015 Posted October 23, 2015 I think he just likes it more. Isn't that OK? Quote
Gakken85 Posted October 23, 2015 Posted October 23, 2015 It's ok. It's not ok to say that it's a minority opinion that DYRL is better. I'd think most people who know Macross would rank it higher without question. Quote
Gubaba Posted October 23, 2015 Posted October 23, 2015 Anyway, everyone knows that the Macross 7 Trash drama album is the best Macross ever. Quote
JB0 Posted October 24, 2015 Posted October 24, 2015 Gubaba's right. It's ok. It's not ok to say that it's a minority opinion that DYRL is better. I'd think most people who know Macross would rank it higher without question. Personally, I remain bothered by DYRL's incompleteness. There's a middle and an end, but no beginning. It makes it hard for me to endorse wholeheartedly, and it's kind of a large flaw in an otherwise fantastic show. Quote
nhyone Posted October 27, 2015 Posted October 27, 2015 Personally, I remain bothered by DYRL's incompleteness. There's a middle and an end, but no beginning. It makes it hard for me to endorse wholeheartedly, and it's kind of a large flaw in an otherwise fantastic show. The beginning works for me. We are thrown right into the action and left to figure out what happened later. I don't need to know how they got there. Later we were told they had lost contact with Earth and were on their way back. That's good enough for me. I know I'm in the minority because we now have an exposition in the prologue for the "Complete" edition of the blu-ray. It must have been one of the neverending complaints over the years. On the other hand, I find the ending weak -- once Britai allies with the humans -- so that mars the masterpiece a little. (It may not be obvious at first because you are mesmerized by the song.. ) I know many people also think DYRL does not work standalone -- you have to watch the TV series first. I also disagree with that. Quote
lavinrac Posted October 27, 2015 Posted October 27, 2015 I'm really hoping when this comes out to find out that at LEAST: 1. censoring is removed 2. Blurry scenes fixed 3. (Pipe dreaming) - English Subs.. Either 1 or 2 would cause me to buy it. Subs would make me jump for joy Quote
Keith Posted October 27, 2015 Posted October 27, 2015 Blurry scenes will likely stay blurry. That looked source related. Quote
Guest davidwhangchoi Posted October 30, 2015 Posted October 30, 2015 I'm really hoping when this comes out to find out that at LEAST: 1. censoring is removed 2. Blurry scenes fixed 3. (Pipe dreaming) - English Subs.. Either 1 or 2 would cause me to buy it. Subs would make me jump for joy yes to number 2, poor upscale, reminds me of predator's second release with overdone NR Quote
Renato Posted October 31, 2015 Posted October 31, 2015 yes to number 2, poor upscale, reminds me of predator's second release with overdone NR It wasn't an upscale. Quote
Guest davidwhangchoi Posted October 31, 2015 Posted October 31, 2015 lol, really guys, it wasn't a good transfer, no pointing out it's a proper remaster vs. upscale is going to change anything. it really reminds me of Sony's ps3 smoothing technique where Sony was trying to defeat edge enhancement(and they used an anime as reference material to develop the tech). it just made the picture look soft. Quote
Gubaba Posted October 31, 2015 Posted October 31, 2015 lol, really guys, it wasn't a good transfer, no pointing out it's a proper remaster vs. upscale is going to change anything. it really reminds me of Sony's ps3 smoothing technique where Sony was trying to defeat edge enhancement(and they used an anime as reference material to develop the tech). it just made the picture look soft. lol. Quote
Guest davidwhangchoi Posted October 31, 2015 Posted October 31, 2015 (edited) lol. haha, this is what some do to make it look polished. When Predator debuted on Blu-ray in April 2008, on a 25 GB disc, it featured a relatively low bit-rate MPEG-2 transfer, prone to excessive noisiness and compression artifacts. While the film has never been a slick-looking production, and though the 2008 version was certainly the best the movie had looked on home video up until that time, there was an outcry from videophiles who felt it could look even better. The solution, really, was simple: do a remaster, use a less antiquated encode, a higher bit-rate, and put it on a 50 GB dual-layer disc. 20th Century Fox complied for this newUltimate Hunter Edition, but unfortunately, they've must've taken complaints about the film's graininess/noisiness to heart, because they've also slathered this re-release with an ungodly amount of digital noise reduction. Now, this is bound to be controversial. The vocal minority of so- called "grain-haters" will praise this transfer because there's no longer any evidence that Predator was shot on film—it now has a bright, glossy, smeary, plasticized sheen that's as far from filmic as you can get. And, it should be said, about as far from how Predator is supposed to look as you can get. This is revisionist re-releasing at its worst, and most film collectors —who tend to want films to look as close to their original appearance as possible—are going to be severely disappointed. I know I'm going to get hate mail, but I can't conscionably give this transfer any higher than a 2/5.The texture of the film's grain structure has been stripped entirely from the picture, obliterating the finest details in the process. Arnie's face looks like a candle wax stump, oily and smooth. Carl Weathers' mustache seems airbrushed onto his face. The jungle might as well be digitized. Even the 20th Century Fox logo that opens the film appears soft, under a thick coating of Gaussian blur. This is easily one of the worst abuses of DNR to hit Blu-ray yet. What's frustrating, then, is that in most other regards, this transfer could have been a massive improvement. What's the point of a higher bit-rate if you're just going to scrub away the film's texture? Yes, the transfer looks clean, ultra-colorful, and bright—a good deal brighter than the previous release—but it also looks unnatural, artificial, unnecessarily tampered with. The good news—if you want to call it that—is that black levels are solid, compression artifacts are absent this time around, and edge enhancement is nowhere near as prevalent or overzealous as it is in other DNR'ed-to-oblivion titles. None of this really matters, though, when you're watching an image that looks like it's been rubbed down with Vaseline. I suddenly feel the urge to pray for the fidelity of the Alien quadrilogy box-set being released later this year. http://www.blu-ray.com/movies/Predator-Blu-ray/11375/ it's evident some scenes in DYRL are really grainy and some not(those scenes that are blurry/soft) very contrasting backgrounds between scenes. the film look really grainy esp. in the intro. then it's super waxy clean, very inconsistent scene to scene. i think they tried to clean the picture up as best they could but over did it. Edited October 31, 2015 by davidwhangchoi Quote
JB0 Posted October 31, 2015 Posted October 31, 2015 Noise reduction is not an upscaling technique. It's a different thing. Note: I do not own the DYRL BR, and have no real frame of reference here. Quote
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