LOTR:ROTK Questions

[Mr Frosty]

I have a couple of questions about ROTK that know one seems to be able to answer, so I thought you guys could help me out or point me to a forum where I can find the answer:

1. Why was Sauron killed when the ring was destroyed? I know he would become all powerfull if he got it, but die when it was destroyed?

2. Why Did Frodo go with the elves at the end? Will he live forever or something?

3. why did the orcs run away at the end. I understand that Sauron died, but why did they flee...were they under some sort of spell?

Thanks

[Murphy]

saw the movie but i was too drunk and i passed out to remember anything so i cant answer questions 1 or 3 but someone told me that frodo went with to elves to die because he was in so much pain due to the stab wound he got from the deathknights(those dark hosemen whatever u call them) so all of them went on the boat to die together or something....someone please correct me if im wrong thanks

[eugimon]

1. Sauron tied himself to the ring, that's how he survived after he was "killed" in the beginning of the frist movie. So when the ring was finally destroyed, the disembodied sauron also finally died.

2. Yeah, Frodo was too gravely hurt by his time with the ring and from the witch king's attack. In the book, Frodo lives in the shire for a while, but falls ill every year. Frodo, Bilbo and the elves don't go off to die, but go The Gray Havens... some sort of original land where the elves came from originally as well as gandalf, sauroman and sauron. Eventually Legolass and gimli and Sam go as well.

3. In the book, Sauron was using his power to fill his armies with a supernatural hatred and fortified them against fear. So when Sauron died, the orcs started to fear and it was Gandalf that caused the earthquake that swallowed the armies of Sauron.

[Skull Leader]

Bilbo and Frodo were both bearers of the ring. As such they were blessed with unusually long life (although, Bilbo must've been nearing his own end). As such they travelled west with the elves. It wasn't mentioned in the movie, but Arwen fashioned an amulet for Frodo that was supposed to serve as a ring-substitute and lessen the pain from his wound. Gandalf, as the bearer of the secret flame of arnor (one of the 3 elven rings) was also given long life and travelled with the elves. As Sam for a brief time also wore the ring, he would later be allowed to travel to the west, but that event was not chronicled.

LOL, Legolas and Gimli went on a little sightseeing tour of middle earth (the forests of fangorn and the caverns at Helm's Deep, to be exact) and then later travelled west together.

Edited December 29, 2003 by Skull Leader

[azrael]

2. Yeah, Frodo was too gravely hurt by his time with the ring and from the witch king's attack. In the book, Frodo lives in the shire for a while, but falls ill every year. Frodo, Bilbo and the elves don't go off to die, but go The Gray Havens... some sort of original land where the elves came from originally as well as gandalf, sauroman and sauron. Eventually Legolass and gimli and Sam go as well.

Actually, the Grey Havens are where they set off from, not the destination. The destination is called the Undying Lands or Valinor (it's easier to remember it as just the Undying Lands).

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http://www.glyphweb.com/arda/default.htm?h...dyinglands.html

[91WhiskeyM6]

LOL, Legolas and Gimli went on a little sightseeing tour of middle earth (the forests of fangorn and the caverns at Helm's Deep, to be exact) and then later travelled west together.

That's funny.

Dudes, I hate it when there's a finality to a good story. I imagine I'll be melancholy as well when Star Wars ends it run next year.

Anybody read "The Chronicles of Narnia"? I read Tolkien's Lord of the Rings once decades ago, but don't remember the story that well. The book was boring to me.

[eugimon]

Actually, the Grey Havens are where they set off from, not the destination. The destination is called the Undying Lands or Valinor (it's easier to remember it as just the Undying Lands).

Ah, that's right. Thanks!

Gandalf wears Narya the Great, I think the Flame of Arnor is the name of the sword.

Frodo didn't get long life... but he probably would have if he kept the ring long enough. Frodo gets to go to Valinor because Arwen gives her place to Frodo as a reward, if Frodo chose to accept it. But Arwen does give Frodo a white star like gem set on a chain.

Hilarious When gimli wanted to fight Eowyn for thinking Galadriel wasn't the fairest of the all... Eowyn thought Arwen was more beautiful. heh.

[uminoken]

Hilarious When gimli wanted to fight Eowyn for thinking Galadriel wasn't the fairest of the all... Eowyn thought Arwen was more beautiful. heh.

Methinks you mean Eomer, not Eowyn Gimli was so smitten by Galadriel that he would fight anyone who didn't think she was the fairest - when Eomer saw Arwen he challenged the claim, Gimli briefly put up a fight, but decided that Eomer loved the Morning, while Gimli preferred the Evening...a really nice scene, but one that really doesn't translate well to screen (but seeing Gimli with Galadriel in the extended FotR may hint to it in the extended RotK)

[eugimon]

Heh. yeah, eomer, not eowyn. d'oh.

[91WhiskeyM6]

Hmmm..more adventures for the Hobbits?

Cool Tolkien's "Middle-Earth" history site

The War did not end with the defeat of Sauron, for Saruman fled northward after the capture of Orthanc, and established himself in the Shire, bending the Hobbits to his will by threat of violence and the persuasive power of his voice. The return of Frodo Baggins and his companions led to a rebellion by the Shire-hobbits, in which Saruman was killed by his servant, Gríma Wormtongue.

Although Sauron and Saruman were both defeated, the Wise did not achieve total victory. With the destruction of the One Ring, the Three Rings that had maintained the realms of the Elves in Middle-earth lost their power, and the Elves began to leave Middle-earth for the Undying Lands.

It's true about Gimli:

"Son of Glóin, he travelled from Rivendell with the Company of the Ring. After the breaking of the Fellowship at Parth Galen, he hunted Orcs across Rohan with Aragorn and Legolas. He fought at the Battle of the Hornburg, and at the Pelennor Fields. He is famed for his fast friendship with Legolas the Elf; some stories say that they sailed into the West together - if this is true, then Gimli was the first and only of dwarven-kind to come to the Undying Lands. "

more...

After the downfall of Sauron, Gimli led a party of the Dwarves of Erebor to Aglarond, the Glittering Caves of the White Mountains within the realm of Rohan. There they founded a colony, and Gimli became known as the Lord of the Glittering Caves. His Dwarves performed great services for the Rohirrim and the Men of Gondor, of which the most famous was the making of new gates for Minas Tirith, forged out of mithril and steel.

Edited December 30, 2003 by 91WhiskeyM6

[91WhiskeyM6]

Looks like Éowyn wedded Farimir:

Man, she was hot in the movie wasn't she?

The granddaughter of King Thengel of Rohan, and sister to Éomer Éadig, who rode in disguise to the Battle of the Pelennor, and there had a part in the slaying of the Lord of the Nazgûl. She wedded Faramir, Prince of Ithilien.

[eugimon]

Yeah,

Treebeard let Sauroman go, something about he didn't have the heart to cage him like that, Gandalf and the hobbits run into Sauroman Wyrmtongue on the road, Gandalf decides to let sauroman go, saying he is now harmless.

Frodo and the hobbits then go to rivendale and stay with Bilbo until the weather starts to turn bad and then take off for the shire, they find that the shire has been over run by sauroman and turned into some sort of communist work camp. heh. Frodo kinda leads Sam, Merry and Pippen against Sauroman. They kick Sauroman out of the shire and offer amnesty to Grima, but Sauroman reveals that Grima had killed someone and Grima snaps and kills Sauroman.

A few years later, Frodo, Bilbo Gandalf, Elrond Galadriel and company take off for Valinor. Sam goes years and years later as well as Legolas and Gimli after Aragorn finally died.

The whole Shire bit is alluded to in the first movie when Frodo sees the Shire in flames in with Galadriel but Peter left it out of the pciture.

[91WhiskeyM6]

Gandalf

The Grey Pilgrim

Timeline:

     

     

Dates: Immortal. In Middle-earth c. III 1000 to 29 September III 3021

Race: Ainur

Division: Maiar of Manwë and Varda

Order: Istari (Wizards)

Other Names: Incánus, Mithrandir, Olórin, Tharkûn

Titles: The Grey, Grey Pilgrim, Grey Wanderer, Stormcrow, The White

Meaning: 'Wand Elf' (but note that this name was given mistakenly by Men; Gandalf is a Maia, not an Elf)

Pronunciation: ga'ndalf

(A note in Appendix E of The Lord of the Rings that final 'f' should be pronounced 'v' leads some to mispronounce this name 'gandalv'. 'Gandalf' is not an Elvish name, however, and this rule does not apply)

In origin a Maia of Manwë and Varda, Gandalf came to the northwest of Middle-earth after a thousand years of the Third Age had passed, with four others of his order. At the Grey Havens, Círdan entrusted him with the Red Ring, Narya, to aid him in contesting the will of Sauron.

Gandalf wandered widely in Middle-earth, and learned much of its races and peoples. Unlike his fellow Wizards Saruman and Radagast, he never settled in a single place. He was instrumental in the victory of the War of the Ring, but during that conflict he battled with a Balrog, and though he was ultimately victorious, his spirit left his body, but was sent back to Middle-earth to complete his task.

Gandalf finally left Middle-earth in 3021 (Third Age), when he departed over the sea with the Ring-bearers.

Arrival in Middle-earth, c. III 1000

The Wizards arrived in Middle-earth after the end of the first millennium of the Third Age. They were sent by the Valar to aid Elves and Men, but none knew this but Círdan the Shipwright, Lord of the Grey Havens where their ships put in. Though Saruman was at that time the acknowledged leader of the Wizards, Círdan saw that Gandalf was in fact the greater, and secretly gave him the Red Ring Narya to aid him in his quest.

Exploration of Middle-earth, c. III 1000 to III 2463

For almost 1,500 years, Gandalf wandered the northern and western regions of Middle-earth, learning of its lands and cultures. He was closest in friendship with the Elves, and especially Elrond, who had learned of his origins from Círdan.

The White Council, III 2463 to III 2953

At almost the same time as Gandalf had arrived in Middle-earth, a dark power had appeared in southern Mirkwood, at the evil place known as Dol Guldur. After a thousand years of his wanderings, Gandalf went there and drove the darkness into the east for a while. Soon it returned, and in 2463 (Third Age), the greatest among Wizards and Elves formed a White Council, with Gandalf as a prominent member, to counter the growing threat.

In 2850, he revisited Dol Guldur, to find that the power that held it had grown indeed during the eight hundred years since his last visit. He recognised the dark power now as Sauron returned, and escaped to inform the White Council. Before he escaped, though, he found Thráin II broken in the pits of Dol Guldur, and though Thráin died before Gandalf could help him, he did surrender a map and a key into the Wizard's keeping.

The Year III 2941

2941 was an important year for Gandalf. Not only did he take part in the White Council's expulsion of the Necromancer from Dol Guldur, but he also arranged for a party of Dwarves, accompanied by Bilbo Baggins, to travel to their ancient home of Erebor and free it from the dragon Smaug.

Gandalf and the Hobbits

The Hobbits first appeared in the records of Men and Elves shortly after the arrival of the Wizards, but of all the Wise, Gandalf was the only one to pay them great heed. After the foundation of the Shire, he would visit periodically and was responsible for '...quiet lads and lasses going off into the Blue for mad adventures' (The Hobbit, Chapter 1, An Unexpected Party). Given this description, we are forced to wonder whether he had a hand in the exploits of Hildifons and Isengar Took, both of whom are recorded as having become involved in adventures of this kind.

Of all the hobbit families, Gandalf seems to have been most closely associated with the Tooks; he was a close friend of Gerontius, the Old Took (Frodo Baggins' great-grandfather), and was said to have given him a gift of magical diamond studs, which fastened and unfastened on command. After Gerontius' death in 2920 (Third Age), he was not seen in the Shire for more than twenty years, until he returned with Thorin and the Dwarves to involve Bilbo Baggins in the Quest of Erebor.

Gandalf’s Appearance

Like all the Wizards, Gandalf had the appearance of an old man, who grew old slowly with the passage of the centuries. His hair was white, and his long white beard grew down below his waist. His eyebrows were particularly noticeable; they were so long and bushy that they stuck out from beneath the rim of his hat.

He dressed in a long grey cloak, which is perhaps the origin of his title 'The Grey'. He is also described as wearing a tall shady-brimmed pointed blue hat, a silver scarf, and long black boots. He carried at all times a spiked staff.

The Magic of Gandalf

Tolkien at no point defines what the limits of Gandalf's magic were. As a Maia, he had many natural abilities that would seem magical to mortal races, but he also had a great store of knowledge of more 'mechanical' magic, worked through spells and incantations, and especially through the agency of his staff. It is clear that he had far greater power, especially after his return as Gandalf the White, than he ever displayed in Middle-earth.

His magical powers seem to be particularly associated with fire, a fact that is perhaps related to the Ring of Fire, Narya, that he bore.

A Gandalf Miscellany

• Gandalf adopted the habit of pipe-smoking from the Hobbits. He often used his magical arts while smoking; he could change the colour of his smoke-rings, or send them in any direction he pleased.

• Gandalf's preferred drink was red wine.

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[91WhiskeyM6]

Gimli given the title: "Lord of the glittering caves" cracks me up for some reason.

[91WhiskeyM6]

3. why did the orcs run away at the end. I understand that Sauron died, but why did they flee...were they under some sort of spell?

In relation to your question, Gandalf was responsible for the earthquake seen in the movie that swallowed up a majority of the Orcs after the ring was destroyed. Of course, the movie doesn't show Gandalf casting a spell.

[eugimon]

Well, the glittering caves is a pretty funny name... heh. But I would love to see Peter Jackson's take on the new steal and mithril gates of minith tirith.

[91WhiskeyM6]

What about those cool gigantic Eagles that kicked dragon ass eh?

Lord of Eagles

Greatest of the birds of Middle-earth

The title of the chief Eagle of Middle-earth. In the First Age, this was Thorondor, while in the Third, the title seems to have been held by Gwaihir.

Gwaihir:

The lord of the Eagles of Middle-earth at the time of the War of the Ring. He rescued Gandalf from the pinnacle of Orthanc, and from the peak of Zirakzigil, and he and his kind brought Frodo and Sam out of Mordor after the destruction of the One Ring.

[91WhiskeyM6]

Well, the glittering caves is a pretty funny name... heh. But I would love to see Peter Jackson's take on the new steal and mithril gates of minith tirith.

Overall, PJ did a good job making the movies. I hope he continues the tale like Lucas is doing with the SW story.

I also read somewhere that Gimli fell in love with an Elve? and that he fought many who disagreed about who was the fairest of all. Yup, sounds like something Gimli would do

Edited December 30, 2003 by 91WhiskeyM6

[91WhiskeyM6]

Éomer Éadig

First of the Third Line of the Kings of Rohan

Timeline:

    

     

Dates: III 2991 - IV 63 (93 years)

King of Rohan from 15 March III 3019 (reigned 65 years)

Race: Men

Culture: Rohirrim

Family: House of Eorl

Pronunciation: earme'r1

Meaning: Probably a compound meaning 'horse-famous'2

Titles: Éadig, King of the Mark, King of Rohan, Lord of the Mark, Third Marshal of Riddermark

The son of Éomund of Eastfold and Théodwyn, the sister of King Théoden. While still a young man of just twenty-six, Éomer the King's nephew was made Third Marshal of Riddermark, and took command of the Riders of Eastfold. The days of his youth were harsh ones for Rohan; its people were imperilled by Orcs out of the north, while a certain Gríma son of Gálmód, later found to be a spy of Saruman, gained influence over the King.

On 25 February III 3019, Rohan suffered its greatest blow to date; at a skirmish that would become known as the First Battle of the Fords of Isen, Théoden's son and heir Théodred was slain by Saruman's forces, leaving Éomer - who was not at the battle - as the natural heir to Rohan's throne. It was five days later that the tide began to turn in Rohan's favour, when Éomer came across three strangers travelling through the fields of the Mark. These strangers were Aragorn, Legolas and Gimli, and from Éomer's wise decision to aid these three came Rohan's ultimate victory.

Because of this, some days later, Gandalf came to Edoras and healed the King of his malaise. The Rohirrim went to war, and though they were defeated at the Second Battle of the Fords of Isen, they held their own at the Battle of the Hornburg and, with the aid of the Ents of Fangorn Forest, defeated Saruman's armies. Then Éomer rode with his King to the aid of Minas Tirith, where they fought in the Battle of the Pelennor Fields. There Théoden met his end, and granted Éomer the Kingship, first of the Third Line of the Kings of Rohan.

At the time of the great victories of that year, Éomer was still just twenty-eight years old. He would rule the Rohirrim for another sixty-five years, through which he maintained a great friendship with Gondor. Such was the plenty and peace of his reign that he was given the surname Éadig, 'Blessed'. He was succeeded by his son Elfwine.

Notes

1 The first syllable of Éomer's name is pronounced approximately like the English word 'ear'.

2 The éo- element of Éomer's name is surely 'horse', but -mer is less certain. It is most likely derived from Old English maer, meaning 'famous, glorious, heroic'.

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This sucks! in the movie, King Théoden never spoke to Eomer when he was dying about him becoming the next king of Rohan. Hmmm...I could have sworn that I saw him holding the late king in the commercial trailers before the movie came out. They'll probably show that scene in the "extended" DVD release.

Edited December 30, 2003 by 91WhiskeyM6

[azrael]

The whole Shire bit is alluded to in the first movie when Frodo sees the Shire in flames in with Galadriel but Peter left it out of the pciture.

The War did not end with the defeat of Sauron, for Saruman fled northward after the capture of Orthanc, and established himself in the Shire, bending the Hobbits to his will by threat of violence and the persuasive power of his voice. The return of Frodo Baggins and his companions led to a rebellion by the Shire-hobbits, in which Saruman was killed by his servant, Gríma Wormtongue.

Ah yes, the whole Scouring of the Shire chapter. Although that chapter could have been done since it's a good hobbits-only scene, I'll have to agree with PJ's decision to leave it out. I was battled-out after Pelenor Fields.

[1st Border Red Devil]

Sauron, after the Ring was unmade, was unable to assume form ever again in any meaningful way. He became a simple spirit of malice because so much of his power that was native to him in his begining was put into the Ring. Once it was gone...well....the foundations of Bara-dur crumbled, the Nazgul remained unable to maintain their form and Sauron....dissipated.

Bilbo and Frodo sailed to Aman (the Undying Lands) where they could be healed from the hurt they had suffered from bearing the Ring for so long. They would eventually lay down their lives (growing weary of the world) much as one of the undiminished Numenoreans (and even some Dunedain) and simply sleep.

About Thorondor (the Lord of the Great Eagles who took part of his people to Aman at the end of the 1st Age) was said to be able to melee with winged Dragons. He aided Earendil (father of Lord Elrond and Elros Tar-Minyatur) in killing Ancalgon the Black (father of Smaug IIRC) whose fall from the sky broke the Iron Mountain Range and destroyed Angband (Iron Fortress). Thorondor had a wingspan of 180' IIRC.

[JELEINEN]

Gandalf wears Narya the Great, I think the Flame of Arnor is the name of the sword.

When Gandalf refers to himself as a servent of the Secret Fire, likely he's refering to Illuvitar (God). He says he weilds the flame of Anor. 'Anor' means 'sun' but I'm not really sure of what Gandalf is meaning. It may refer to Narya, but that seems highly unlikely. First, he wouldn't give out that kind of secret. And second, I don't think it'd impress a balrog. I think it has more to do with who he is or the position he holds.

Edited December 30, 2003 by JELEINEN

[VF-1Guy]

I'm glad the Scouring of the Shire was left out. That part of the book was painfully slow for me.

I highly suggest the novels (including The Silmarillion) to anyone who enjoyed the movies. They will show you just how rich the history of Middle Earth is. I find the First Age (struggle with Morgoth, tales of Turin, Hurin and Beren) and Second Age (rise and fall of Nemenor, forging of the ring) to be even more interesting than the Third Age (Lord of the Rings is late third age).

[azrael]

Gandalf wears Narya the Great, I think the Flame of Arnor is the name of the sword.

When Gandalf refers to himself as a servent of the Secret Fire, likely he's refering to Illuvitar (God). He says he weilds the flame of Anor. ...

BTW, the name of Gandalf's sword is Glamdring.

But I would love to see Peter Jackson's take on the new steal and mithril gates of minith tirith.

Perhaps in the EE. The original cut of Return of the King was almost 5 hours. So there was quite a bit he cut out to just to step up the pace of the theater version (And yes there are moments where you can tell something was cut). So who knows? You may just see the new gates of Minas Tirith in the EE. Or you may not....

[Jolly Rogers]

When FOTR was being made, PJ already announced there won't be Scouring of the Shire, along with the removal of Tom Bombadil.

Unless they change their minds and got the cast to reconvene and shoot brand new footage for Scouring, I don't think we will be seeing that in the EE DVD of ROTK, as much as I'd like to see it. I personally enjoyed that part of the book, and it sure beats the evil eyes the hobbit heroes got upon returning home in the movie version.

[Jemstone]

Unless they change their minds and got the cast to reconvene and shoot brand new footage for Scouring, I don't think we will be seeing that in the EE DVD of ROTK, as much as I'd like to see it. I personally enjoyed that part of the book, and it sure beats the evil eyes the hobbit heroes got upon returning home in the movie version.

That's the one part of the book I despised. Everything was going so well up untill that point for me. I mean "Sharky"? I didn't notice the hobbits getting strange stares when they got abck except from one old fellow. I just thought it was a bit anticlimactic that the rest of the shire was so oblivious to what had happened.

[JELEINEN]

That's the one part of the book I despised. Everything was going so well up untill that point for me. I mean "Sharky"? I didn't notice the hobbits getting strange stares when they got abck except from one old fellow. I just thought it was a bit anticlimactic that the rest of the shire was so oblivious to what had happened.

I disagree. It was certainly not anticlimatic. If anything, it was the true climax of the story. It had been foreshadowed long before. It also did a great job of bringing the horror of war home to the characters; quite literally. All along they view the Shire as this untouchable place of peace that they're returning to, but then it's stripped away and they're forced to accept that no where is truly safe from evil.

[Jemstone]

That's the one part of the book I despised. Everything was going so well up untill that point for me. I mean "Sharky"? I didn't notice the hobbits getting strange stares when they got abck except from one old fellow. I just thought it was a bit anticlimactic that the rest of the shire was so oblivious to what had happened.

I disagree. It was certainly not anticlimatic. If anything, it was the true climax of the story. It had been foreshadowed long before. It also did a great job of bringing the horror of war home to the characters; quite literally. All along they view the Shire as this untouchable place of peace that they're returning to, but then it's stripped away and they're forced to accept that no where is truly safe from evil.

Oops, sorry I meant the homecoming in the movie was anti climactic and that I didn't notice the hobbits getting strange stares (except for that one old guy). I still didn't like the scouring of the Shire in the book tho and in both version I thought the Shirefolk were too oblivious. Moreso in the film.

[Isamu Atreides 86]

That's the one part of the book I despised. Everything was going so well up untill that point for me. I mean "Sharky"? I didn't notice the hobbits getting strange stares when they got abck except from one old fellow. I just thought it was a bit anticlimactic that the rest of the shire was so oblivious to what had happened.

I disagree. It was certainly not anticlimatic. If anything, it was the true climax of the story. It had been foreshadowed long before. It also did a great job of bringing the horror of war home to the characters; quite literally. All along they view the Shire as this untouchable place of peace that they're returning to, but then it's stripped away and they're forced to accept that no where is truly safe from evil.

Oops, sorry I meant the homecoming in the movie was anti climactic and that I didn't notice the hobbits getting strange stares (except for that one old guy). I still didn't like the scouring of the Shire in the book tho and in both version I thought the Shirefolk were too oblivious. Moreso in the film.

I like the fact that Pippin and Merry ( Gondor and Rohan respectively) were wearing their uniforms on coming back into the shire.

Edited December 30, 2003 by Isamu Atreides 86

[red_xavier]

and it was Gandalf that caused the earthquake that swallowed the armies of Sauron.

eh?

[eugimon]

Well, once the ring is destroyed and the orc army starts to run, the humans want to press the attack but Gandalf tells them to stand where they are and then a big earthquake occurs, the tower falls, the orc army runs around as if they had gone mad, throwing themselves into pits, killing each other, running back to the east, or surrendering... they don't actually all get swallowed up like in the movie...

[Isamu Atreides 86]

thats because Sauron or Sauron's old master made Orcs and Trolls as kind of an insult to Elves and Ents....when sauron is defeated, they start to loose power, just like the Nazgul.

[Gatillero PR]

When FOTR was being made, PJ already announced there won't be Scouring of the Shire, along with the removal of Tom Bombadil.

Who was Tom Bombadil? I've never read the novels.

[Anubis]

When FOTR was being made, PJ already announced there won't be Scouring of the Shire, along with the removal of Tom Bombadil. 

Who was Tom Bombadil? I've never read the novels.

A singing leprechan looking guy. Strange fellow. With a supposedly hot elf wife.

[1st Border Red Devil]

A singing leprechan looking guy. Strange fellow. With a supposedly hot elf wife.

Not exactly.

Tom Bombadil was most likely a Maia spirit of Nature (one of Yavanna Kementari's people). His wife, Goldberry, was also a Maia...she being the Daughter of the River Withywindle (a water themed Maia).

He was the oldest being still in Middle-Earth (as all others either came after him...or in the case of his boss Yavanna, left for Aman long before).

He had become tied to the land that he protected (the Old Forest being the last of that land). Like Sauron, much of his power that was native to him in his begining had passed into the forest itself.