Gubaba Posted December 24, 2014 Posted December 24, 2014 So, according to the first VF-1 Master File book, here's the SDF-3. Isn't she a beaut? I mentioned this on the SpeakerPodCast and at MW Con, but for some reason, if I say anything about it on Facebook, one or more people will come out and accuse me of trolling or just being mistaken or they simply don't want to believe it or SOMETHING, but it's right there on page 120 (as Sketchley's translation confirms), as the ship that the SVF-789 Daleskarak squadron (wing?) is assigned to: "SDF-3 (Formerly Britiai's ship)" I'm honestly not sure why this brings out hostility and disbelief in people, since it doesn't really have any bearing on continuity, but there ya go. After Space War I, Britai's ship was reclassified as the SDF-3. (And before anyone points out that the Master File books aren't necessarily part of the "official setting," I'd like to say that I showed the pic to Tenjin-san... so if it wasn't official before, it probably is now. ) Quote
Mizicke5273 Posted December 24, 2014 Posted December 24, 2014 People get upset about that? I mean, it's not like they gave it a "Macross" designation. Quote
Old_Nash Posted December 24, 2014 Posted December 24, 2014 People get upset about that? I mean, it's not like they gave it a "Macross" designation. I believe they espect for something "new" or "gorgeous"... Not a "old-style" Zentraeid flagship... Quote
Seto Kaiba Posted December 24, 2014 Posted December 24, 2014 (edited) I'm honestly not sure why this brings out hostility and disbelief in people, since it doesn't really have any bearing on continuity, but there ya go. After Space War I, Britai's ship was reclassified as the SDF-3. Hm... while I could absolutely see people raising one of the two following contradictions about it, which might inspire disbelief at the most, I'm baffled that that'd receive a hostile reaction from anyone except that one group we're not supposed to talk about. The potential contradictions I'm thinking of are: In Macross: Flashback 2012, the retrofitted Nupetiet Vergnitzs-class ship with that odd bridge tower that leaves with the SDF-2 Megaroad-01 is [supposed to be/generally believed to be] Britai's old ship. That opening bit in the first couple episodes of Macross Frontier shows the SDF moniker as belonging to the Megaroad-class (though I don't recall if it actually shows a SDF-3 there... I know it shows higher numbers). For the former case, it actually makes a fair amount of sense that it'd get a battleship/dreadnaught designation like SDF since Britai's ship was supposed to have been the first Zentradi battleship recommissioned into UN Spacy service. It'd be a nice gesture to the Zentradi living on Earth too. 'course, me bein' a big Macross II fan and all... the idea of the postwar UN Spacy using captured/defecting Zentradi ships as the center of their fleet isn't exactly something eyebrow-raising for me, y'know? Maybe part of it is that the "main" chronology Macross stories don't really show Zentradi ships being used in the UN Spacy's forces in any prominent way (except for that one Neo Nupetiet Vergnitzs-class ship with Macross-5 in Macross 7 and the 33rd NUNS Marines in Macross Frontier)? Edited December 24, 2014 by Seto Kaiba Quote
Gubaba Posted December 24, 2014 Author Posted December 24, 2014 The only conflict to it that's been pointed out to me was from the Macross VO game for the PC, which apparently has the SDF-3 and SDF-4 in it, both of which are Megaroad-types. And yeah, a lot (but not all) of the flak has been from Robotech fans, even after I explain that this is MACROSS information, and has no bearing on Robotech at all. Quote
ly000001 Posted December 24, 2014 Posted December 24, 2014 (And before anyone points out that the Master File books aren't necessarily part of the "official setting," I'd like to say that I showed the pic to Tenjin-san... so if it wasn't official before, it probably is now. ) It would probably be more official if you had showed it to the Holy Floating Head himself Quote
Gubaba Posted December 24, 2014 Author Posted December 24, 2014 It would probably be more official if you had showed it to the Holy Floating Head himself Well, he supervised the book... Quote
HannouHeiki Posted December 24, 2014 Posted December 24, 2014 Am I childish for wanting to read those facebook pages with people freaking out? Quote
Gubaba Posted December 25, 2014 Author Posted December 25, 2014 That wasn't even the weirdest one, Einherjar... Although it's getting there. Quote
sketchley Posted December 25, 2014 Posted December 25, 2014 (...) Maybe part of it is that the "main" chronology Macross stories don't really show Zentradi ships being used in the UN Spacy's forces in any prominent way (except for that one Neo Nupetiet Vergnitzs-class ship with Macross-5 in Macross 7 and the 33rd NUNS Marines in Macross Frontier)? (nods) It's frustrating that they don't depict it. Recently, I've started to get a hunch that Kawamori-san et al are deliberately avoiding it to keep the "Zentraadi ships = enemy ships" in the minds of the casual viewer. Though, it's more likely that they just want to come up with new ship designs. They being designers, and new designs means a steadier pay cheque and all that. Quote
mecha2241 Posted December 25, 2014 Posted December 25, 2014 Those Facebook threads are a trip... Quote
HannouHeiki Posted December 25, 2014 Posted December 25, 2014 Those Facebook threads are a trip... Which FB page? >.> Quote
Seto Kaiba Posted December 25, 2014 Posted December 25, 2014 The only conflict to it that's been pointed out to me was from the Macross VO game for the PC, which apparently has the SDF-3 and SDF-4 in it, both of which are Megaroad-types. And yeah, a lot (but not all) of the flak has been from Robotech fans, even after I explain that this is MACROSS information, and has no bearing on Robotech at all. Hm... I'd forgotten about Macross VO. Still, what gripe could Macross fans have with it? I'm legitimately drawing a blank... other than that it's not a human-built ship. The RT fans... their issues with it are probably just the usual ailment. Am I childish for wanting to read those facebook pages with people freaking out? If you are, then I am too... I'll admit to a morbid/voyeristic interest in seeing just how they're freaking out. (nods) It's frustrating that they don't depict it. Recently, I've started to get a hunch that Kawamori-san et al are deliberately avoiding it to keep the "Zentraadi ships = enemy ships" in the minds of the casual viewer. Though, it's more likely that they just want to come up with new ship designs. They being designers, and new designs means a steadier pay cheque and all that. It is... though they did throw us a tiny bone with the NUNS 33rd Marines in Macross Frontier. Didn't Kawamori say something to that effect in an interview at one point tho? Quote
505thAirborne Posted December 26, 2014 Posted December 26, 2014 Enough said. Well played good sir! Quote
JB0 Posted December 26, 2014 Posted December 26, 2014 Still, what gripe could Macross fans have with it? I'm legitimately drawing a blank... other than that it's not a human-built ship. The RT fans... their issues with it are probably just the usual ailment. Maybe it's a conditioned response after years and years of mocking the Robotech SDF-3, which was built in a zentradi-styled hull. Quote
Einherjar Posted December 26, 2014 Posted December 26, 2014 That wasn't even the weirdest one, Einherjar... Although it's getting there. Then again, a language barrier vs. a contrived narrative decision for syndication purposes taken for granted isn't a fair fight. Quote
VF-15 Banshee Posted December 28, 2014 Posted December 28, 2014 Although, aren't the Master File books considered "unofficial?" Quote
Gubaba Posted December 28, 2014 Author Posted December 28, 2014 (edited) Ahem. (And before anyone points out that the Master File books aren't necessarily part of the "official setting," I'd like to say that I showed the pic to Tenjin-san... so if it wasn't official before, it probably is now. )Oh, and Whitehall pointed out that the reclassification of Britai's ship has been in the Macross Compendium all this time (the old one, not just the Wiki), so, yeah... Nothing new here...EDIT: it's in December, 2010 in the chronology. Edited December 28, 2014 by Gubaba Quote
Seto Kaiba Posted December 28, 2014 Posted December 28, 2014 Oh, and Whitehall pointed out that the reclassification of Britai's ship has been in the Macross Compendium all this time (the old one, not just the Wiki), so, yeah... Nothing new here... EDIT: it's in December, 2010 in the chronology. Well, yes and no... the bit about it being recommissioned as the first new battleship of the postwar UN Forces fleet is there, and it doesn't directly contradict what's said in Master File about Britai's ship being redesignated the SDF-3, but it also doesn't offer any real confirmation of the contentious bit either. It's certainly likely and it would make a lot of sense, IMO, the same as a lot of what we get in Master File... but it's not an airtight case. (Yeah, I'm splitting hairs...) Quote
sketchley Posted December 29, 2014 Posted December 29, 2014 I think his point is that it's not a retcon introduced recently (in the MF series), but has been around since like forever. I'm pretty sure that I've seen it mentioned elsewhere (not the MF nor MC), and until this topic popped up, I was under the impression that it was common knowledge among Macross fans... Quote
Brand-X Posted December 29, 2014 Posted December 29, 2014 For my own part, I was rather confused when reading this thread at first. I've only recently begun reading about Macross recently, but previous to that it had been years since I had even looked into the lore of Macross. When I saw this, my reaction was "Of course Britai's ship was the SDF-3, wasn't that said a long time ago?" I can't say where I got this notion in my head, but it's been there for quite a long time. Quote
mickyg Posted December 29, 2014 Posted December 29, 2014 But, but, but... This: I keed, I keed... Quote
Gerli Posted December 29, 2014 Posted December 29, 2014 But, but, but... This: eotc.jpg I keed, I keed... Quote
JB0 Posted December 29, 2014 Posted December 29, 2014 Oh god... the memories... MAKE IT STOP MAKE IT STOP MAKEITSTOPMAKEITSTOPMAKEITSTOP!!!!! Quote
Seto Kaiba Posted December 29, 2014 Posted December 29, 2014 I think his point is that it's not a retcon introduced recently (in the MF series), but has been around since like forever. I'm pretty sure that I've seen it mentioned elsewhere (not the MF nor MC), and until this topic popped up, I was under the impression that it was common knowledge among Macross fans... Aaaactually... I think I just re-found where you might've originally seen it, and it IS quite an old mention. Not sure if it's common knowledge, though, since this is probably the first thread I've seen where it was put forward as a fact (though it does make very good sense to me). Like I said earlier, the bit I'd always heard was that Britai's ship was one of the ones that left in the military's escort fleet for the SDF-2 Megaroad-01. Problem is, it's not in the Compendium... but in a really old book. The old Macross Journal Extra: VF-1 Valkyrie Special Edition "Sky Angels" book also makes an offhand mention that Britai's old ship became the SDF-3. I found it in a chart of squadron assignments on page 13 of the book, which lists it as being home to a pair of VF-1 squadrons: the VF-43 Challengers and VF-302 Stallions. The book's date of publication is given as 27 May 1984, so I guess it really has been around for a very long time... Quote
aerocombatpilot Posted December 29, 2014 Posted December 29, 2014 Oh god... the memories... MAKE IT STOP MAKE IT STOP MAKEITSTOPMAKEITSTOPMAKEITSTOP!!!!! QTF! Quote
Falconkpd Posted December 29, 2014 Posted December 29, 2014 The SDF-3: A ship so mysterious in nature that it's mere mentioning to even certain Macross fans is enough to incite assault threats. Quote
Mommar Posted December 30, 2014 Posted December 30, 2014 So these people who are upset at this... what, revelation? What do they say is actually the SDF-3? Quote
bbrain Posted December 30, 2014 Posted December 30, 2014 Maybe the RT fans will accept the explanation that Britai's ship became the SDF-3, not recommissioned as, but was molecularly fused with and transformed IN TO the SDF-3 forming another dimension and twice the space inside the actual ship. Quote
JB0 Posted December 30, 2014 Posted December 30, 2014 So these people who are upset at this... what, revelation? What do they say is actually the SDF-3?Megaroad-2, obviously. Quote
Gubaba Posted December 30, 2014 Author Posted December 30, 2014 Aaaactually... I think I just re-found where you might've originally seen it, and it IS quite an old mention. Not sure if it's common knowledge, though, since this is probably the first thread I've seen where it was put forward as a fact (though it does make very good sense to me). Like I said earlier, the bit I'd always heard was that Britai's ship was one of the ones that left in the military's escort fleet for the SDF-2 Megaroad-01. Problem is, it's not in the Compendium... but in a really old book. The old Macross Journal Extra: VF-1 Valkyrie Special Edition "Sky Angels" book also makes an offhand mention that Britai's old ship became the SDF-3. I found it in a chart of squadron assignments on page 13 of the book, which lists it as being home to a pair of VF-1 squadrons: the VF-43 Challengers and VF-302 Stallions. ForMW.PNG The book's date of publication is given as 27 May 1984, so I guess it really has been around for a very long time... Damn, good find! Quote
Boss Posted December 30, 2014 Posted December 30, 2014 So that's what Rick Hunter drives now, eh? Quote
Einherjar Posted December 30, 2014 Posted December 30, 2014 The SDF-3: A ship so mysterious in nature that it's mere mentioning to even certain Robotech fans is enough to incite assault threats. Fixed. There's a huge difference. Quote
Falconkpd Posted December 30, 2014 Posted December 30, 2014 Fixed. There's a huge difference. Nope, this guy was a Macross fan who could read Japanese allegedly. Quote
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