Bandai VF-19 Advance....!!!

[derex3592]

Bandai's got to be waiting on Delta to come out and feature the 30 with many different schemes and middle part swap out boxes, or radar dishes or something. At least I guess that's what they are doing with the 30...

[spanner]

would it be so silly to assume that maybe Macross Delta would be center around the YF-30 seeing that its essentially a Delta configuration?

not that I'd mind that at all but we've now had the 30 around for a while so its not exactly brand spanking new anymore.. It will be interesting to see if they have come up with some Valkyrie design for the series but then the 30 would be kinda pushed to the side lines without having the screen time it deserves..

or maybe im just talking crap..

[Sildani]

The 30's a nice design but it's kinda plain next to the 29. Wonder if the 30 will be the CF and the 29 the hero mecha.

[derex3592]

I agree the 29 owns all over the 30 IMHO

[MacrossJunkie]

I'm not really sure what the point of the 30 is other than as a missile boat. The 29 seems like the better fighter all around.

Amongst other things, it has more guns, still has plenty of internal missiles. It's biggest advantage is it has two extra engines to provide more thrust, excess power for SWAG and PPB in fighter mode, and can pivot to direct thrust.

[valkryenov]

I'm not really sure what the point of the 30 is other than as a missile boat. The 29 seems like the better fighter all around.

Amongst other things, it has more guns, still has plenty of internal missiles. It's biggest advantage is it has two extra engines to provide more thrust, excess power for SWAG and PPB in fighter mode, and can pivot to direct thrust.

Well I agree that the 29 is a better all round performer (good looking to) but the cost and complexity added with ozma' statement in the series that implies the lack of training (hence skills) of nuns pilot will make it prohibitive as a CF. I think vf-25 will be in widespread in widespread nuns fleet use (imagine messiah in nightmare blue) with 29 as spec force fighter like the hamaval. Edited September 5, 2015 by valkryenov

[MacrossJunkie]

Well I agree that the 29 is a better all round performer (good looking to) but the cost and complexity added with ozma' statement in the series that implies the lack of training (hence skills) of nuns pilot will make it prohibitive as a CF. I think vf-25 will be in widespread in widespread nuns fleet use (imagine messiah in nightmare blue) with 29 as spec force fighter like the hamaval.

I wasn't really making any argument for the 29 becoming a CF fighter, especially with the rarity of the fold quartz. Not sure anyone was.

Was just speaking about the apparent uselessness of the 30 since it lacks firepower for extended engagements compared to its predecessors. Once it blows its container load of missiles, all it's got left are the head lasers and gunpod.

It's only got one very specific specialized ability and that is to break through fold faults. I don't really see that as useful in general every day use.

So yeah, if there's anything that is likely to replace the VF-171, it would be the 25 due to its multi-role adaptability, as long as it's not deemed as too much of a hero valk. Or they might finally decide that some cheaper variant of the 19 will be for the masses like the EF, which Isamu's is actually a custom variant of, VF-19 EF/A. (Thus bringing this discussion back to the 19 )

Edited September 5, 2015 by MacrossJunkie

[Scyla]

While I would like to have a whole new setup of Valkyries for Macross Delta I think a retrofitted YF-29 could be pretty cool. They could keep the major airframe but ditch the fold crystals or the extra missile pods in the shoulders and legs. Keep the turret and change the forward swept wings into a delta configuration and switch the rail gun for a more conservative gun-pod. I imagine a cross between the YF-29, the VF-27 and YF-24. Maybe have a different way to fold the wings to a backpack. I always thought that the wings on the Messiah would be much better if the folded the other direction forming armor for the cockpit.

OT: VF-19ADVANCE; still not like the amount of printed details.

[Bolt]

Interesting idea Scyla.. I like it.

A cf VF -29 with delta wings..and some vf-27 influences to boot. 👍

I guess talking about this on the vf-19 advanced thread is inevitable since we can't talk about it on the Delta thread..

Back to our regular scheduled program- is there consensus on what's the weak/floppy point of this vf-19 advanced?

I love mine in fighter mode & will rarely if ever transform it.

[Roanstalker]

So far mine has been pretty tight. Especially the hips. No looseness yet.

[wolfx]

I wasn't really making any argument for the 29 becoming a CF fighter, especially with the rarity of the fold quartz. Not sure anyone was.

Was just speaking about the apparent uselessness of the 30 since it lacks firepower for extended engagements compared to its predecessors. Once it blows its container load of missiles, all it's got left are the head lasers and gunpod.

It's only got one very specific specialized ability and that is to break through fold faults. I don't really see that as useful in general every day use.

So yeah, if there's anything that is likely to replace the VF-171, it would be the 25 due to its multi-role adaptability, as long as it's not deemed as too much of a hero valk. Or they might finally decide that some cheaper variant of the 19 will be for the masses like the EF, which Isamu's is actually a custom variant of, VF-19 EF/A. (Thus bringing this discussion back to the 19 )

Long ago, I read that the YF-29 , (i assume like the YF-30), if anything is just a temporary "Frankenstein" of VF-25 parts and was supposed to be a "one-off". Its original intention was to act as an anti-vajra fold relay fighter to project Ranka's song to the Vajra. It never was meant to be mass produced or past the prototype stage. Then when Macross 30 came in I don't know what happened with that supposed explanation and can't find it anywhere anymore since there is now an Isamu, Ozma and Rod custom. Lol.

Seeing that both YF-29 an YF-30 are supposed to be specialised anti-vajra fighters, seem unlikely they will see mass-production. And the fold quartz that come from Vajra corpses will be rarer since the Vajra disappeared from the galaxy after the events of Frontier. The VF-25 being the new mainstay fighter would be most likely.

Sorry now back to the 19.

[jenius]

The YF-29 is the VF-25 with integrated Tornado parts. That doesn't necessarily conflict with the notion that it's also a hodgepodge of VF-25 parts. I like the idea that the YF-29 and YF-30 would just lose any fold quartz specific attributes when making the jump to VF status. Personally though, while I like the toys, I think the YF-29 is a little too super valk. A VF-30 as cannon fodder seems perfect to me, and I'd hope that another change in going to VF is that the stabilizers would fold upward.

Maybe what we'll see is a convergence of several fleets that all have different mainstay fighters. Or maybe there will be one fleet that has squadrons of various fighters and among them each one has cannon fodder members and heroes. I'm burnt out on VF-25 and YF-29s but I have to imagine Bandai has plans for their YF-30 and VF-19Advance molds beyond the one-offs we have so far.

You know what I'd like to see (besides a VF-21Advance), a VF-19Advance Guld custom as a sort of alternate universe what-if.

[derex3592]

Hmm.....anybody wanna bet they'll make the next main Valk the VF-35? To go along with the F-35 hub bub?

[spanner]

Hmm.....anybody wanna bet they'll make the next main Valk the VF-35? To go along with the F-35 hub bub?

hehehe! so does that mean the toy will take years to develop, be really heavy, difficult to transform and expensive to buy just like the real F-35!?

with all due respects to the real F-35 which I do like of course..

[Valkyrie Driver]

hehehe! so does that mean the toy will take years to develop, be really heavy, difficult to transform and expensive to buy just like the real F-35!?

with all due respects to the real F-35 which I do like of course..

Nice

[no3Ljm]

I agree that YF-30 is perfect for Cannon Fodders. Budget-wise they will save a lot of money doing the CG drawings. Once all the missles goes Itano Circus, they're eventually get shot down and explode and cut the scene. Whereas if you use YF-29 as a Cannon Fodder, there will be no excuse for that one to get shot down after the missles went out since it's going to use more of the barrel cannons and lots of knife stabbing action as well.

OT: My VF-19 Advance joints are still tight as well. And he's in Gerwalk mode.

Edited September 8, 2015 by no3ljm

[Zaid]

Anyone interested in a VF-19 Advance and couldn't get one? Jungle has a decent price on one.

http://jungle-scs.co.jp/sale_en/?page_id=121&id=1275258

[Raptor One]

I wonder if Bandai has the VF-19ACTIVE rights. *drools*

[Bolt]

To what are you referring?

[ArchieNov]

The Active "Nothung" if I'm not mistaken. It's another variant of the VF-19.

[wmkjr]

It's from Macross the ride. I thought it was a Hasegawa thing.

[Bolt]

Oh. I'm assuming you mean from Macross The Ride?

[no3Ljm]

I wonder if Bandai has the VF-19ACTIVE rights. *drools*

Let's just hope that Bandai will acquire the rights from Dengeki first so that they can a lot of VF-19's. That Nothung is in my list if it gets made by Bandai or Arcadia.

[Keiichi]

Put the boosters onto my VF-19 for the first time today (I've been keeping it in gerwalk/battroid, and I'm not a fan of having the boosters on in those modes), and like pretty much everyone else the right side booster won't fully attach securely. I know there's three connection points for the boosters; two on the wing root and one on the innermost hardpoint. The right side booster attaches to the hardpoint connection just fine, and while I can get the booster to grip the wing root connection points, they won't stay connected there and immediately pop off those points. It's so odd because the left booster attaches so easily.

For people who were able to successfully get the right booster fully attached, what was your trick?

I was, however, happy to find that the booster stays on surprisingly well with just the hardpoint connection so it's not that big a deal, it'd just be nice to have it attached properly.

[valkryenov]

Put the boosters onto my VF-19 for the first time today (I've been keeping it in gerwalk/battroid, and I'm not a fan of having the boosters on in those modes), and like pretty much everyone else the right side booster won't fully attach securely. I know there's three connection points for the boosters; two on the wing root and one on the innermost hardpoint. The right side booster attaches to the hardpoint connection just fine, and while I can get the booster to grip the wing root connection points, they won't stay connected there and immediately pop off those points. It's so odd because the left booster attaches so easily.

For people who were able to successfully get the right booster fully attached, what was your trick?

I was, however, happy to find that the booster stays on surprisingly well with just the hardpoint connection so it's not that big a deal, it'd just be nice to have it attached properly.

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I'm pretty sure this has been covered in this thread before, try to look at previous posts.

But in essence attaching the booster is about aligning the wing and the fuselage.

That's why I did, once I discover the right angle, I have no problem attaching the booster.

Hope that helps.

Edited September 21, 2015 by valkryenov

[Keiichi]

I'm pretty sure this has been covered in this thread before, try to look at previous posts.

But in essence attaching the booster is about aligning the wing and the fuselage.

That's why I did, once I discover the right angle, I have no problem attaching the booster.

Hope that helps.

I've followed the thread pretty closely since its inception, and the only advice I could recall was to ensure that all three connection points were locked into place. Unfortunately, that's exactly what's giving me trouble.

As I said, on the left side everything lines up perfectly with no problem and the booster snaps in easily, but on the right side it just seems like nothing matches up. I dunno, guess things just aren't clicking for me.

[valkryenov]

I've followed the thread pretty closely since its inception, and the only advice I could recall was to ensure that all three connection points were locked into place. Unfortunately, that's exactly what's giving me trouble.

As I said, on the left side everything lines up perfectly with no problem and the booster snaps in easily, but on the right side it just seems like nothing matches up. I dunno, guess things just aren't clicking for me.

Hehehe tell me about it, it took me almost half an hour of slowly moving the wing slowly until it fits before that either the booster won't lock or thrown across the room.

Keep trying to move the angle of the wing, I'm pretty sure you'll figure it out like I did.

[Keiichi]

Hehehe tell me about it, it took me almost half an hour of slowly moving the wing slowly until it fits before that either the booster won't lock or thrown across the room.

Keep trying to move the angle of the wing, I'm pretty sure you'll figure it out like I did.

Haha, that's a very accurate description of exactly how my attempt went too.

I'll give it another shot sometime; just knowing that it is possible (and difficult) to get the right booster fully locked-in is pretty reassuring. Thanks!

[Chronocidal]

I don't know if this is the same on everyone's, but mine had mis-molded tabs on the booster, as if they were melted a bit. I had to reshape them with a razor blade to restore sharp edges to the tabs so they would latch on.

[valkryenov]

I don't know if this is the same on everyone's, but mine had mis-molded tabs on the booster, as if they were melted a bit. I had to reshape them with a razor blade to restore sharp edges to the tabs so they would latch on.

Wow that's unfortunate Chronocidal, but have you considered another possibility? Cause a friend of mine kind of pushed the booster too hard and actually chipped a part of the tab, since then, he's been trying to fix the tab.

But best of luck, hopefully if it's a defect, you'll be able to fix it.

[Chronocidal]

Oh, it's already fixed, the tabs on the booster just looked like they got slightly smooshed down. What that did was round off the sharp corners on what should have been a more blocky shape, and it let the booster slip off.

I just trimmed the tabs until there was a hard corner for the booster to stay hooked on, and it works fine now.

[Keiichi]

I don't know if this is the same on everyone's, but mine had mis-molded tabs on the booster, as if they were melted a bit. I had to reshape them with a razor blade to restore sharp edges to the tabs so they would latch on.

Ah, yeah! When I first attempted to put on the boosters I remembered your previous posts about the issue and I checked on my tabs and they looked OK.

Took a closer look just now, however, and I noticed that the right-side booster's rectangular tab (which connects to the bottom of the wing root) is in fact slightly larger than the same tab on the left side booster! I think that may be culprit because while I can get that tab to grip the connection point, it immediately pops out. Cheers for getting me to take a second look, Chronocidal! Now I just need to track down where I put my exacto, haha.

[mickyg]

Mine is the same way with the larger tab. But I noticed the larger tab is actually proportional to the rectangular depression in the wing root. So technically the smaller tab is the one that is wrong. Strange molding discrepancy either way.

I find the round raised part is more of an issue on my boosters. I've had them fitted a few times and one is definitely way more misshapen than the other, suggesting a poor fit on that booster.

[Keiichi]

Hmm, I was thinking that being smaller was better because it would allow the tab to fit into the rectangular connection point more easily, but you make a good point as well mickyg.

You know, I think I'll just leave it alone, haha. I only connect the boosters in fighter mode and the right one holds on decently enough in fighter that it's probably best I don't risk screwing something up.

[mog_kupo]

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