Macross Δ (Delta) - announcement thread

[RedWolf]

I have to wonder how much military power the Kingdom of Wind can lay to bear.

Why they may be a threat to a single colony the NUN can show its military might by sending a combined NUNS taskforce.

It may find itself outgunned.

The NUN has a great industrial capacity due to the Factory Satellites.

[Jasonc]

Cosplay designers, GET TO WORK NOW!!! That is all.

[Guest davidwhangchoi]

I don't remember if anyone's pointed this out before but... is that fold quartz on that necklace?

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that's Grace's child, she gave those earrings to Nome

Edited November 2, 2015 by davidwhangchoi

[Zinjo]

that's Grace's child, she gave those earrings to Nome

Mao Nome is Sheryl's grandmother and that is where Sheryl got them from. It was the reason why Kawamori retconned the BD release of Zero with a scene where the ear rings can be seen in the background.

[Reaction Warhead]

I have to wonder how much military power the Kingdom of Wind can lay to bear.

Why they may be a threat to a single colony the NUN can show its military might by sending a combined NUNS taskforce.

It may find itself outgunned.

The NUN has a great industrial capacity due to the Factory Satellites.

Well, we didn't see any NUNS/SMS reinforcements being deploy in Macross Frontier (TV ver.) as the entire Galaxy fleet was seemingly annihilated and the Frontier fleet in danger of being overrun by Tyranid Vajra forces.

So, Delta's planetary defense force might be on its own. Honestly, with the NUN government launching colony fleets left and right, I'll be surprise if they even have a sizable emergency respond force to deal with stuff like this. Maybe Planet Delta/Kingdom of Wind is considered a sovereign nation that is currently engaged in a civil war, so the NUNS government can't get involved? or maybe the conflict is not even big enough to be on NUN's radar.

that's Grace's child, she gave those earrings to Nome

So, Grace was passing out free candy fold quartz to children while driving in her van?

Mao Nome is Sheryl's grandmother and that is where Sheryl got them from. It was the reason why Kawamori retconned the BD release of Zero with a scene where the ear rings can be seen in the background.

I have proof of the scene that Zinjo was referring to.

Edited November 3, 2015 by Reaction Warhead

[Guest davidwhangchoi]

Well, we didn't see any NUNS/SMS reinforcements being deploy in Macross Frontier (TV ver.) as the entire Galaxy fleet was seemingly annihilated and the Frontier fleet in danger of being overrun by Tyranid Vajra forces.

So, Delta's planetary defense force might be on its own. Honestly, with the NUN government launching colony fleets left and right, I'll be surprise if they even have a sizable emergency respond force to deal with stuff like this. Maybe Planet Delta/Kingdom of Wind is considered a sovereign nation that is currently engaged in a civil war, so the NUNS government can't get involved? or maybe the conflict is not even big enough to be on NUN's radar.

So, Grace was passing out free candy fold quartz to children while driving in her van?

I have proof of the scene that Zinjo was referring to.

i deny retcons, yeah Grace must've lured her in that fairy 9 van with those earrings. hey it worked for Dr. Hasford

[Graham]

Maybe we won't see NUNS in this at all.

Although if we do, I wonder what VF they will be using in 2067?

I'm also curious how the faction that is using the VF-31 got them?

[Raptor One]

The VF-25 seemed pretty successful didn't it? Plus I don't think it has the problem of looking "too heroic" that prevented the Kawomori from using the -19 as the main NUNS fighter back in Frontier. That being said, I wouldn't mind seeing some 19EFs in this.

[RedWolf]

Well, we didn't see any NUNS/SMS reinforcements being deploy in Macross Frontier (TV ver.) as the entire Galaxy fleet was seemingly annihilated and the Frontier fleet in danger of being overrun by Tyranid Vajra forces.

So, Delta's planetary defense force might be on its own. Honestly, with the NUN government launching colony fleets left and right, I'll be surprise if they even have a sizable emergency respond force to deal with stuff like this. Maybe Planet Delta/Kingdom of Wind is considered a sovereign nation that is currently engaged in a civil war, so the NUNS government can't get involved? or maybe the conflict is not even big enough to be on NUN's radar.

But they would've done if it were on time. From Ozma and Cathy's conversation not only were the fold faults are going to delay a response but also the parliament going for a decision.

In the movie continuity Galaxy was pretty much already suspected by the rest of the NUN for espionage and human rights violations. The response was comparably quick.

In VF-X2 the Macross 13 fleet was their response fleet to Zentradi rebels and terrorists.

[Reaction Warhead]

i deny retcons, yeah Grace must've lured her in that fairy 9 van with those earrings. hey it worked for Dr. Hasford

Those Nome girls never learn do they?

Maybe we won't see NUNS in this at all.

Although if we do, I wonder what VF they will be using in 2067?

I'm also curious how the faction that is using the VF-31 got them?

Yeah, didn't someone said they want to get away from the whole UN thing for copyrights reason? I think we'll see SMS instead (again).

I vote for the VF-22 as their mainstream fighters in 2067.

If a faction got enough money they can buy whatever toys available to outfit their military with.

[Gubaba]

Yeah, didn't someone said they want to get away from the whole UN thing for copyrights reason?

I have no inside info here or anything, but I kind of doubt that... After all, Mihoshi High had a VF-1 (with UN Spacy kite) on its frickin' roof...

[RedWolf]

Yeah, didn't someone said they want to get away from the whole UN thing for copyrights reason? I think we'll see SMS instead (again).

The UN army is used not only on Macross but in Aquarion, Evangelion, currently Fafner and who knows how many other Mecha anime. So it not that. Nor does it have to do with HG. HG won't dare do it Japan lest they get stomped. They already tried to trademark Marcross in Japan and it didn't work.

Edited November 3, 2015 by RedWolf

[Kyp Durron]

Maybe we won't see NUNS in this at all.

Although if we do, I wonder what VF they will be using in 2067?

I'm also curious how the faction that is using the VF-31 got them?

They will most likely be using VF-25's. Remember, in 2059, the SMS was field testing the VF-25's and they were supposed to be the successor to the VF-171. As of 2067, it's only been 8 years, surely the VF-25 isn't already obsolete by then, that would be ridiculous.

Edited November 3, 2015 by Kyp Durron

[seti88]

Maybe we won't see NUNS in this at all.

Although if we do, I wonder what VF they will be using in 2067?

I'm also curious how the faction that is using the VF-31 got them?

I would like to see NUN or even UNSpacey come back in some way. Even as a galactic empire shades... of SW.

Just so happens the post on macross mecha manual's FB was on the topic of UNSpacey's power...https://www.facebook.com/macrossworld/posts/943786642371378

That being said, I thk the state of valyrie -dom recently has been focused on a lot of dog fighting valks...where are the role specific valks...everything is multi-role today (though i cant blame kawamori as that seems to be reflection of the real world where he gets some inspiration from)..

[Graham]

Yeah, I also suspect if we do see NUNS make an appearance in Delta, they'll be flying a mix of VF-25s and maybe some old VF-171.

I doubt the 8 years since Frontier is enough time to replace all the frontline VF-171 in service with VF-25s yet.

[treatment]

They will most likely be using VF-25's. Remember, in 2059, the SMS was field testing the VF-25's and they were supposed to be the successor to the VF-171. As of 2067, it's only been 8 years, surely the VF-25 isn't already obsolete by then, that would be ridiculous.

Well, it has some precedence.

The VF-4 (ops 2012-2030) replaced the VF-1 (ops 2009-2015) in 2020 as the main variable fighter.

Edited November 3, 2015 by treatment

[sketchley]

Re: What VF that NUNS is using in Delta (if they appear at all):


One thing that has been reclarified in recent months is that Kawamori-san is a visual designer first and foremost. Visual design took precedent in Frontier with the deployment of the VF-19 being replaced by the VF-171 (because it is visually distinct from the VF-25), and the same will hold true in this case.

Therefore, I highly doubt that if we see NUNS, they'll be using the VF-25 (because it's quite similar to the VF-31). The question that remains is what does the Sv-262 look like in Battroid, and how visually distinct that is from the VF-171? (NUNS using the VF-171 is already established with the generation of fans brought in with Frontier, and recently, more often than not, Kawamori-san has been recycling designs).

[azrael]

I would prefer NUNS to show up at the end only. They can have agents should up during the show but I would like Delta to focus on planetary forces. We only saw it once in Dynamite 7. I would like to see them revisit that setting again. No NUNS, just local forces.

[Gubaba]

I just want to see cool dogfights with a great soundtrack, no matter who's involved.

[anime52k8]

I want cute girls and cool robots.

[Guest davidwhangchoi]

i think that girl is cute

[Graham]

+1

[Jasonc]

I agree. Cute girls and me mecha are great, but it's the story that really it for me. I can't just do macha only with nothing else. The other elements that make anime what it is are essential too, so cute girls is a +1 for me as well.

[Guest davidwhangchoi]

who's better looking?

her?

or her

[ChaoticYeti]

Took some time to make some gifs of the Valkyries.

[treatment]

Nothing against your awesome gif-wizardry, yeti, but these things that Delta had shown just has:

Too much cg shenanigans.

Not enough real artistry.

Looks just like a modern flight game.

The character designs are mediocre, too.

No anime soul...

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Maybe I'm just really appreciating even more now how Plus was created and produced all those years ago...

Edited November 3, 2015 by treatment

[Graham]

Actually, I meant +1 to Gubaba's statement about just wanting to see cool dogfights with a great soundtrack.

[Guest davidwhangchoi]

the girl's cute anyway

i'm sure they'll be good fights if Mac F is considered having good fights. it looks like Mac F 1.5

[Karaoke Ninja]

Nothing against your awesome gif-wizardry, yeti, but these things that Delta had shown just has:

Too much cg shenanigans.

Not enough real artistry.

Looks just like a modern flight game.

The character designs are mediocre, too.

No anime soul...

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Maybe I'm just really appreciating even more now how Plus was created and produced all those years ago...

Plus wasn't even that good. It had fine music and animation but everything else was terribly shallow.

[Reaction Warhead]

Plus wasn't even that good. It had fine music and animation but everything else was terribly shallow.

That's a pretty accurate description of Macross as a franchise in a nut shell.

[Lorindor]

As for what toys the NUNS might be using... Could there be previously unseen YF-24 derivatives? Do we know if there ever were plans for the missing numbers, VF-26 and VF-28?

[Tochiro]

Cosplay designers, GET TO WORK NOW!!! That is all.

I have already seen two Macross Delta cosplays in the wild :-)

And I'm expecting far more at Wonderfest and Comiket :-)

I have to wonder how much military power the Kingdom of Wind can lay to bear.

Why they may be a threat to a single colony the NUN can show its military might by sending a combined NUNS taskforce.

It may find itself outgunned.

The NUN has a great industrial capacity due to the Factory Satellites.

The thing is, the word planetS has been used when referring to the conflict.

As in plural.

That was somewhat hastily retracted though so it's all still a mystery.

I would like to see NUN or even UNSpacey come back in some way. Even as a galactic empire shades... of SW.

Just so happens the post on macross mecha manual's FB was on the topic of UNSpacey's power...https://www.facebook.com/macrossworld/posts/943786642371378

That being said, I thk the state of valyrie -dom recently has been focused on a lot of dog fighting valks...where are the role specific valks...everything is multi-role today (though i cant blame kawamori as that seems to be reflection of the real world where he gets some inspiration from)..

What Valkyrie-dom have you been looking at? Because apart from the Alto vs Brera fights, IMO theres been a distinct LACK of dog fighting in recent years.

Personally, I'm glad that Kawamori has said his aim with Delta is to bring talk vs talk fighting back to tv.

As for specialised talks/roles - Michele and Luca pretty much did just that.

Edited November 3, 2015 by Tochiro

[JB0]

HG won't dare do it Japan lest they get stomped. They already tried to trademark Marcross in Japan and it didn't work.

Haha what how did I miss that?!

[Gerli]

Haha what how did I miss that?!

It's like a mith... too unreal to be real.

Anyway, can't wait for december, it's gonna be a looong wait.

[seti88]

I have already seen two Macross Delta cosplays in the wild :-)

And I'm expecting far more at Wonderfest and Comiket :-)

The thing is, the word planetS has been used when referring to the conflict.

As in plural.

That was somewhat hastily retracted though so it's all still a mystery.

What Valkyrie-dom have you been looking at? Because apart from the Alto vs Brera fights, IMO theres been a distinct LACK of dog fighting in recent years.

Personally, I'm glad that Kawamori has said his aim with Delta is to bring talk vs talk fighting back to tv.

As for specialised talks/roles - Michele and Luca pretty much did just that.

My point is we normally get a hero valk mainly built for speed and for dog-fighting.

I wish there were more fighter bomber designs, or different valks doing the sniping/recon or even as a missile carrier just for variety. I guess i miss the Kawamori with many sketches and experimental designs. The 262 looks like a step in the right direction and would welcome more of that variety.