Arcadia 1/60 VF-19 Custom Nekki Basara Special with Sound Booster

[spanner]

I wish they would make toys of Mylene's and Ray's ships!

hmmm ok so Ray's Valk wasn't too bad but Mylene's Valk.. yikes!.. pass on that!

don't get me wrong I love the female form but boobs on a Valkyrie.. yeah it ain't happening.. they could have just made it as a VF-11 with a girly colored paint scheme which would have been enough.

Edited October 2, 2014 by spanner76

[Reïvaj]

hmmm ok so Ray's Valk wasn't too bad but Mylene's Valk.. yikes!.. pass on that!

don't get me wrong I love the female form but boobs on a Valkyrie.. yeah it ain't happening.. they could have just made it as a VF-11 with a girly colored paint scheme which would have been enough.

You're obviously not speaking for all of us. Anime accuracy FTW!

[jvmacross]

hmmm ok so Ray's Valk wasn't too bad but Mylene's Valk.. yikes!.. pass on that!

don't get me wrong I love the female form but boobs on a Valkyrie.. yeah it ain't happening.. they could have just made it as a VF-11 with a girly colored paint scheme which would have been enough.

But Mylene's VF-11 MAXL is the ultimate realization of both of your listed interests!!!

You know you want it......

[Kanedas Bike]

...Macross 7 Valkyrie designs. The very nicest thing I can say about them is that they're "interesting".

-b.

[Guest davidwhangchoi]

...Macross 7 Valkyrie designs. The very nicest thing I can say about them is that they're "interesting".

-b.

b, did you order the fire.. i was thinking about it but not sure if i can hang with the price...

[Kanedas Bike]

b, did you order the fire.. i was thinking about it but not sure if i can hang with the price...

No sir. Even if I wasn't currently counting my pennies I probably wouldn't have. The price coupled with the fact that I'm not a fan of the design make/made it an easy pass.

-b.

[Guest davidwhangchoi]

No sir. Even if I wasn't currently counting my pennies I probably wouldn't have. The price coupled with the fact that I'm not a fan of the design make/made it an easy pass.

-b.

thanks b, i guess i'm skipping it too

[Kanedas Bike]

thanks b, i guess i'm skipping it too

Uh huh.

I don't want to see a post a couple of months from now with a stack of 8 of them sitting next to some speakers in your living room or whatever.

-b.

[Guest davidwhangchoi]

haha that's where the yf-19 and multiple dyrl roys 30th anniversary's are hiding. (1/60 max and miria w/ grey goggle hikaru are by the receiver)

yeah, i think i'm not a fan but was thinking about it till i saw that the hobby search, hjl, discount were not big enough.

Edited October 3, 2014 by davidwhangchoi

[brouken]

But Mylene's VF-11 MAXL is the ultimate realization of both of your listed interests!!!

You know you want it......

You guys do realize that in Norse legend, the Valkyrie are female right? That means Mylene's Valk is by all rights a "true" Valkyrie.

[Valkyrie Magnus]

hmmm ok so Ray's Valk wasn't too bad but Mylene's Valk.. yikes!.. pass on that!

don't get me wrong I love the female form but boobs on a Valkyrie.. yeah it ain't happening.. they could have just made it as a VF-11 with a girly colored paint scheme which would have been enough.

I thought Valkyries are women so shouldn't they have boobs? jk

[abbadon]

Mylene's Valk is awesome just like Basara's! I just want a complete Sound Force on display!

[Kanedas Bike]

haha that's where the yf-19 and multiple dyrl roys 30th anniversary's are hiding. (1/60 max and miria w/ grey goggle hikaru are by the receiver)

yeah, i think i'm not a fan but was thinking about it till i saw that the hobby search, hjl, discount were not big enough.

*Waves hand in front of my computer monitor Jedi-style*

You will sell me your extra copies of random Valks at a hugely discounted price.

You guys do realize that in Norse legend, the Valkyrie are female right? That means Mylene's Valk is by all rights a "true" Valkyrie.

Blah! I think of my car as a "she" and named her Ruby because of the color, but if anyone tries to smack boobs on my SHO I will do something very violent to them.

-b.

[xrentonx]

You guys do realize that in Norse legend, the Valkyrie are female right? That means Mylene's Valk is by all rights a "true" Valkyrie.

ALL Valks are ladies...true! But there's a difference between a beautiful lady and a painted ho

[Kanedas Bike]

ALL Valks are ladies...true! But there's a difference between a beautiful lady and a painted ho

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

-b.

[spanner]

But Mylene's VF-11 MAXL is the ultimate realization of both of your listed interests!!!

You know you want it......

I'll admit that pic sorta kinda looks ok but im gonna stick to my guns on this one and say no I don't want it.. maybe.. only maybe if they toned the whole feminine look of it.

I thought Valkyries are women so shouldn't they have boobs? jk

Well yes to a guy more often than not they will be female but boobs on a Valkyrie.. that's just weird. I'll just stick to the Minmay, Ranka & Sheryl figures with the girly bits!

ALL Valks are ladies...true! But there's a difference between a beautiful lady and a painted ho

my point exactly!

Edited October 3, 2014 by spanner76

[jenius]

This is exactly why we need a smaller scale line of valkyries. I don't want to spend $200 on that thing. You might be able to convince me to spend $79.99 on one though.

[Guest davidwhangchoi]

we already have that:

http://ekizo.mandarake.co.jp/shop/en/item_s-1177106.html

[spanner]

we already have that:

http://ekizo.mandarake.co.jp/shop/en/item_s-1177106.html

before I started collecting Yamato v2 Valks I was very tempted to collect all the 1/100 Hi-Metals.. im glad I chose to go a different direction in the end.

[jenius]

we already have that:

http://ekizo.mandarake.co.jp/shop/en/item_s-1177106.html

Incorrect tense, that line is dead. We won't be getting a cheap VF-11, let alone a cheap VF-11MAXL

[3D-Brainx]

This has probably been already discussed, but, isn't Valkyrie the name of the VF-1? like phoenix for the vf-0 or thunderbolt for the vf-11?. We call every other vf a Valkyrie just because the popularity of the vf-1, but calling every valk a Valkyrie is a mistake, right? and if this is not the case, what's the name of the vf-1?

Just adding some spice to the whole "gender in a plane" discussion.

[aceoftherebellion]

In-universe, the VF-1 was so ubiquitous and had so much impact that all variable fighters are colloquially referred to as Valkyries regardless of their other designations. It's pretty much the same case for the fandom.

[technoblue]

The MAXL has no more or less of a chest than any other VF-11 variant. Take another look at the strategic placement of the UN Spacey kites on the 11B and 11C. The Sound Force features on the MAXL replace these in the original line art. However, interpretation does not equal artistic intent. If someone wants to see breasts in their mecha, then they will see breasts in their mecha whether there are kites or just gadgets.

I still think it is important to point out that no one is talking about sexualized or pornographic art here. It is just a custom mech that is made to look like a rock star. It's supposed to be fun and entertaining. Besides, other anime old and new, have done mecha with a feminine flair too.

I can understand If one doesn't like the glam rock look, or the idea of Sound Force in general. That is fair enough. No one should feel the need to make excuses for that opinion or bring rule 34 into the discussion. But the MAXL is not a silly design. It is different because it provides a function specific to Sound Force, just like the VF-17T and Basara's VF-19. I think Arcadia would do well to release the rest of the squad at 1/60. Part of me wishes that they started with the MAXL just so we could move on. That would have been fantastic:

http://www.macross2.net/m3/macross7/vf-11maxlcustom.htm

[MacrossJunkie]

The MAXL has no more or less of a chest than any other VF-11 variant. Take another look at the strategic placement of the UN Spacey kites on the 11B and 11C. The Sound Force features on the MAXL replace these in the original line art. However, interpretation does not equal artistic intent. If someone wants to see breasts in their mecha, then they will see breasts in their mecha whether there are kites or just gadgets.

I still think it is important to point out that no one is talking about sexualized or pornographic art here. It is just a custom mech that is made to look like a rock star. It's supposed to be fun and entertaining. Besides, other anime old and new, have done mecha with a feminine flair too.

I can understand If one doesn't like the glam rock look, or the idea of Sound Force in general. That is fair enough. No one should feel the need to make excuses for that opinion or bring rule 34 into the discussion. But the MAXL is not a silly design. It is different because it provides a function specific to Sound Force, just like the VF-17T and Basara's VF-19. I think Arcadia would do well to release the rest of the squad at 1/60. Part of me wishes that they started with the MAXL just so we could move on. That would have been fantastic:

http://www.macross2.net/m3/macross7/vf-11maxlcustom.htm

There are indeed bumps on the VF-11 MAXL Kai intended to resemble human female mammaries that aren't on any of the VF-11 variants including the normal VF-11 MAXL. If that isn't clear from the 2D line art, you can look up the various kits of the MAXL Kai and it should be pretty apparent then.

Yes, it's been done in other anime, but those tended to be on super robot franchises like Mazinger. Most people correlate Macross to the real robot genre where the Sound Force valks are more super robot-ish, which accounts for the general disdain for the Sound Force customs.

[jvmacross]

Part of me wishes that they started with the MAXL just so we could move on. That would have been fantastic:

I think if Yamato would have released the VF-11 MAXL first, we may never have seen a VF-19 Kai.....kind of how releasing the DYRL Quadeluun Rau killed any desire for Yamato/Arcadia in releasing anymore enemy mechs.....

Look how "well" the re-release of the Kai "gold edition" set is warming shelves on practically all Japanese webstore sites....

If Arcadia wants to do well on a unique release like the VF-11 MAXL it needs to tweak it's "made-to-order" business plan to be more "kickstarter-like".....it gets built if enough people pay to have it built....

Or just wait for some 3P to make it!!!

[MacrossJunkie]

I take it the VF-19 Kai is not doing so well in sales? That would not be surprising to me given that there were still plenty of the first release sitting around for a while at large discounts. Even the sound booster was easily available for a while at a discounted price. Most people who wanted them probably would have gotten one already. The high price of this re-release, granted it's a bundle of the 19 kai and the booster and includes the Fire Bomber figures, for such a polarizing design makes it a hard sell in general.

I wouldn't mind having the VF-11C MAXL variant. That is to say the normal delta winged version of the VF-11 and not the Sound Force MAXL Kai variant.

Edited October 3, 2014 by MacrossJunkie

[technoblue]

There are indeed bumps on the VF-11 MAXL Kai intended to resemble human female mammaries that aren't on any of the VF-11 variants including the normal VF-11 MAXL. If that isn't clear from the 2D line art, you can look up the various kits of the MAXL Kai and it should be pretty apparent then.

Yes, it's been done in other anime, but those tended to be on super robot franchises like Mazinger. Most people correlate Macross to the real robot genre where the Sound Force valks are more super robot-ish, which accounts for the general disdain for the Sound Force customs.

No one is questioning the fact that the MAXL is made to look like a woman. The problem I have with the discussion is that the MAXL is somehow offensive or silly because, as a custom, it is more obviously so. There is nothing wrong with it. And, again, it is not pornographic or trying to mimic the organic function of breasts in anime on some ridiculous level. The MAXL's sci-fantasy pods only fend off aliens with light and sound. I maintain that people do not like it because of where it sits within the uncanny valley. Or because Macross 7 turned away from the military/gundam notes of the original SDF series.

Again, that's fine. But the Sound Force designs are not poor because more fans in the West are turned off by them.

[technoblue]

I think if Yamato would have released the VF-11 MAXL first, we may never have seen a VF-19 Kai.....kind of how releasing the DYRL Quadeluun Rau killed any desire for Yamato/Arcadia in releasing anymore enemy mechs.....

I don't know.

I question the strategy to reissue the VF-19 Kai when so many of the Yamato types were still readily available at a heavy discount. Personally, I wasn't interested in double dipping because I picked up my Yamato right before Arcadia's announcement. Now, if Arcadia had announced another 1/60 Sound Force Valkyrie, I would have given them my full attention. Not just because I like Macross 7, but also as a collector. I like the VF-11 (I have the 11B) and I'm drawn to unique Valkyries like the MAXL. Of course, I also would have taken the VF-17T custom.

Oops. Double post...Sorry about that...

Edited October 3, 2014 by technoblue

[MacrossJunkie]

No one is questioning the fact that the MAXL is made to look like a woman. The problem I have with the discussion is that the MAXL is somehow offensive or silly because, as a custom, it is more obviously so. There is nothing wrong with it. And, again, it is not pornographic or trying to mimic the organic function of breasts in anime on some ridiculous level. The MAXL's sci-fantasy pods only fend off aliens with light and sound. I maintain that people do not like it because of where it sits within the uncanny valley. Or because Macross 7 turned away from the military/gundam notes of the original SDF series.

Again, that's fine. But the Sound Force designs are not poor because more fans in the West are turned off by them.

I probably misunderstood the first paragraph of your post I was referencing, but I wasn't really speaking of whether it was made to look like a woman, but merely pointing out that there was a difference in shape/curvature in the "chest" area between the normal VF-11s and the MAXL Kai and that it wasn't merely just interpretation in the eye of the beholder that the curvature was there.

Edited October 3, 2014 by MacrossJunkie

[technoblue]

I probably misunderstood the first paragraph of your post I was referencing, but I wasn't really speaking of whether it was made to look like a woman, but merely pointing out that there was a difference in shape/curvature in the "chest" area between the normal VF-11s and the MAXL Kai and that it wasn't merely just interpretation in the eye of the beholder that the curvature was there.

Right. I understood your point too. I was just pointing out that the kites are in the same place and if people want to point and shout, "Breasts!" or whatever word they are comfortable with, then they will regardless. Mecha look like people for a reason, and rule 34 exists for a reason. Some of us are just more creative with our reasoning than others?

LoL! It's all good. None of this is hurting anyone, so there is room for every opinion.

[Kanedas Bike]

IMHO rule 34 has nothing to do with what people are talking about re: the VF-11 MAXL. Just people expressing their opinion on whether or not the design speaks to them or not (some think silly because of certain design features some think unique and interesting because of the same).

Anyway, on-topic I'd be curious to know about sales of the new VF-19 and if Arcadia was shrewd enough to make this in small quantities understanding that the first release is still fairly easy to find in the marketplace.

-b.

[technoblue]

IMHO rule 34 has nothing to do with what people are talking about re: the VF-11 MAXL. Just people expressing their opinion on whether or not the design speaks to them or not (some think silly because of certain design features some think unique and interesting because of the same).

Fair enough. I may have misunderstood what everyone was on about. However, most Valkyries do have a human shape. And the Macross 7 Valkyries moved beyond the usual asexual look of SDF Macross and gave them faces and adjusted the form to suit the setting. Along with the usual pilots, we get custom made fighters tricked out to look like a rock band. The idea that the Valkyries themselves are suggestive stand-ins for the band members when they fly out to defend against the Protodevlin is just part of the story. Some people like it and some don't.

No worries.

[Kanedas Bike]

Fair enough. I may have misunderstood what everyone was on about. However, most Valkyries do have a human shape. And the Macross 7 Valkyries moved beyond the usual asexual look of SDF Macross and gave them faces and adjusted the form to suit the setting. Along with the usual pilots, we get custom made fighters tricked out to look like a rock band. The idea that the Valkyries themselves are suggestive stand-ins for the band members when they fly out to defend against the Protodevlin is just part of the story. Some people like it and some don't.

No worries.

yep

-b.

[jvmacross]

And the Macross 7 Valkyries moved beyond the usual asexual look of SDF Macross and gave them faces and adjusted the form to suit the setting.

It was just the three valks assigned to the members of Sound Force that received "faces"....

the rest were "faceless" and in-line with "regular" VF "heads" seen in previous Macross series'.....

...even the "jamming birds" VF-11 didn't get a "face"....

[anime52k8]

The VF-17's both totally have faces with mouths. Just stare at the uncolored line art long enough, you'll see it. And the VF-22S totally has a giant mouth with big lips and no eyes like a mass production evangelion.

Edited October 3, 2014 by anime52k8