AMM-1

[Aurel Tristen]

Balancing and compiling various source materials this entry was created: http://nanashi.macrossmecha.info/resrc/cat...siles/amm1.html

This version is printable. This is for your information. Enjoy.

[mbs357]

Cool!

Very interesting and informative.

And let me be the first to say (here) that your site is awesome!

[ewilen]

Very nice! But no mention of Max's method of mounting extras on his tailfin (in Blind Game I think it is).

Edited December 23, 2003 by ewilen

[DestroidsRage]

20 of em?? Damn. Never knew a VF-1 could be loaded out with 20 of those things. Now thats what I call a missile boat.

-BEN-MAN-

[Angel's Fury]

Thanks for the info Nanashi! Your site is highly informative.

So this was replaced later on by the high manuverable missiles?

[Aurel Tristen]

Very nice! But no mention of Max's method of mounting extras on his tailfin (in Blind Game I think it is).

That's because those weren't AMM-1s.

[Aurel Tristen]

Thanks for the info Nanashi! Your site is highly informative.

So this was replaced later on by the high manuverable missiles?

Depends on which High Maneuver Missiles you are referring to. If you mean the "new high maneuver missiles" seen in Macross Plus, then no. Those were apparently not approved in the VF-1X Plus update program of 2047 (see on-screen text of Macross VF-X 2) and still was not seen using them even in 2050.

As for other high maneuver missiles, sure there are plenty of them, mostly micro missiles. HMM is a general classification of missiles in Macross.

[Angel's Fury]

Thanks especially about the new HMM.

[ewilen]

Very nice! But no mention of Max's method of mounting extras on his tailfin (in Blind Game I think it is). 

That's because those weren't AMM-1s.

What were they?

[Aurel Tristen]

Very nice! But no mention of Max's method of mounting extras on his tailfin (in Blind Game I think it is). 

That's because those weren't AMM-1s.

What were they?

The group of 32 [40] missiles which are specially attached to that VF-1A's inboard and outboard surfaces of the v-tail is called "missile magazine". So they are "missile magazine missiles". Along with three other missiles attached to the outboard surfaces of each of the engine pod's small ventral fins(six total), two "WE-CON" wing end missiles mounted on the main wings' tip and four underwing mounted BB[-1] "buster bombs" they compraise the early "Valkyrie endo-space-use armed system" which was created by Ichiroh Itano.

Edited December 24, 2003 by Nanashi

[muswp1]

In other words, micromissles similar to the missles in the boosters

[Yohsho]

Cool, I love the way you set it up in printable format.

[Anubis]

Would attaching hardpoints to the arms instead of the gunpod lock the valk in fighter mode?

[Aurel Tristen]

Would attaching hardpoints to the arms instead of the gunpod lock the valk in fighter mode?

The hardpoints are already present on the arms's face. I don't believe the augmentative run pallet weapon stations would interfere with transformation, as the entire arm units (including the shoulder units) are the first things to move during transformation to GERWALK or Battroid modes. They move in downward direction away from the engines. So there would be no problem.

[Anubis]

Would attaching hardpoints to the arms instead of the gunpod lock the valk in fighter mode?

The hardpoints are already present on the arms's face. I don't believe the augmentative run pallet weapon stations would interfere with transformation, as the entire arm units (including the shoulder units) are the first things to move during transformation to GERWALK or Battroid modes. They move in downward direction away from the engines. So there would be no problem.

Sweet.

[mbs357]

I think that missles on the tale fins would interfere with transformation quite a bit, though. O_O

[Aurel Tristen]

I think that missles on the tale fins would interfere with transformation quite a bit, though. O_O

The stabilizer fins of the AMM-1 do not extend until after the missile is launched.

Use can see the side drawing on the AMM-1 page which shows the AMM-1 with its fins retracted: http://nanashi.macrossmecha.info/resrc/cat...siles/amm1.html

[JB0]

I think that missles on the tale fins would interfere with transformation quite a bit, though. O_O

The stabilizer fins of the AMM-1 do not extend until after the missile is launched.

Use can see the side drawing on the AMM-1 page which shows the AMM-1 with its fins retracted: http://nanashi.macrossmecha.info/resrc/cat...siles/amm1.html

But you just said tail fin missiles aren't AMM-1s.

[Anubis]

I think that missles on the tale fins would interfere with transformation quite a bit, though. O_O

The stabilizer fins of the AMM-1 do not extend until after the missile is launched.

Use can see the side drawing on the AMM-1 page which shows the AMM-1 with its fins retracted: http://nanashi.macrossmecha.info/resrc/cat...siles/amm1.html

But you just said tail fin missiles aren't AMM-1s.

I think he just read the question wrong. The tailfin missles that showed up once I think was an animation mistake. Just like the nose lasers.

[Aurel Tristen]

I think that missles on the tale fins would interfere with transformation quite a bit, though. O_O

The stabilizer fins of the AMM-1 do not extend until after the missile is launched.

Use can see the side drawing on the AMM-1 page which shows the AMM-1 with its fins retracted: http://nanashi.macrossmecha.info/resrc/cat...siles/amm1.html

But you just said tail fin missiles aren't AMM-1s.

What was being referred to before was the vertical tail of Max's VF-1 which had missiles specially attached to it..... as part of this system: http://nanashi.macrossmecha.info/resrc/cat..._armed_sys.html

[Aurel Tristen]

I think that missles on the tale fins would interfere with transformation quite a bit, though. O_O

The stabilizer fins of the AMM-1 do not extend until after the missile is launched.

Use can see the side drawing on the AMM-1 page which shows the AMM-1 with its fins retracted: http://nanashi.macrossmecha.info/resrc/cat...siles/amm1.html

But you just said tail fin missiles aren't AMM-1s.

I think he just read the question wrong. The tailfin missles that showed up once I think was an animation mistake. Just like the nose lasers.

Not a mistake. It was a special weapon arrangement VF-1 created Ichiroh Itano.

He was an mechanical animation director of Macross. Creator of the "Itano Circus" (Macross' trademark missile smoke trails, etc.) and worked on some of the greatest animation sequences.... like those shown in the episode Pine Salad, etc.

From the Macross Compendium:

http://www.anime.net/macross/production/cr.../itano_ichiroh/

[JB0]

I think that missles on the tale fins would interfere with transformation quite a bit, though. O_O

The stabilizer fins of the AMM-1 do not extend until after the missile is launched.

Use can see the side drawing on the AMM-1 page which shows the AMM-1 with its fins retracted: http://nanashi.macrossmecha.info/resrc/cat...siles/amm1.html

But you just said tail fin missiles aren't AMM-1s.

What was being referred to before was the vertical tail of Max's VF-1 which had missiles specially attached to it..... as part of this system: http://nanashi.macrossmecha.info/resrc/cat..._armed_sys.html

I know.

And then you mentioned the AMM-1.

[Aurel Tristen]

My mistake. I misread mbs357'd reply-thinking he was talking about the AMM-1's fins. I thought he was suggesting that the fins were extended while still attached or that the fins didn't extend.

Max's armament, had to be fired before he could transform into full GERWALK mode or Battroid Mode. "Semi-"GERWALK/Fighter-VTOL mode (GERWALK without packing up the v-tail) could have been possible while the missiles were unused.

[Anubis]

I think that missles on the tale fins would interfere with transformation quite a bit, though. O_O

The stabilizer fins of the AMM-1 do not extend until after the missile is launched.

Use can see the side drawing on the AMM-1 page which shows the AMM-1 with its fins retracted: http://nanashi.macrossmecha.info/resrc/cat...siles/amm1.html

But you just said tail fin missiles aren't AMM-1s.

I think he just read the question wrong. The tailfin missles that showed up once I think was an animation mistake. Just like the nose lasers.

Not a mistake. It was a special weapon arrangement VF-1 created Ichiroh Itano.

He was an mechanical animation director of Macross. Creator of the "Itano Circus" (Macross' trademark missile smoke trails, etc.) and worked on some of the greatest animation sequences.... like those shown in the episode Pine Salad, etc.

From the Macross Compendium:

http://www.anime.net/macross/production/cr.../itano_ichiroh/

I stand corrected.

[mbs357]

Sorry, but maybe I wasn't clear, I meant missles being on a VF-1's tailfin would interfere with transformation.

I had always contributed it to an animation mistake by one of the third party animators, but it looks like it's backed up. Interesting.

Nanashi, are you saying that the special loadout of missles on the tailfin and ventrals are only used in space? That would make perfect sense being it looks like it compromises the control serfaces. But I could've sworn that I saw him using it on Earth. Maybe it's just a memory blortch.

Edited December 27, 2003 by mbs357

[Aurel Tristen]

Sorry, but maybe I wasn't clear, I meant missles being on a VF-1's tailfin would interfere with transformation.

I had always contributed it to an animation mistake by one of the third party animators, but it looks like it's backed up. Interesting.

Nanashi, are you saying that the special loadout of missles on the tailfin and ventrals are only used in space? That would make perfect sense being it looks like it compromises the control serfaces. But I could've sworn that I saw him using it on Earth. Maybe it's just a memory blortch.

Yes, the text states that they are for close-in combat in space and are only shown in Episode 10 while being used in space.

[EganLoo]

20 of em?? Damn. Never knew a VF-1 could be loaded out with 20 of those things. Now thats what I call a missile boat.

-BEN-MAN-

The official specifications for the VF-1 Valkyrie do not state that it can handle 20 AMM-1 missiles.

http://www.anime.net/macross/mecha/united_...s/variable/vf1/

[EganLoo]

The group of 32 [40] missiles which are specially attached to that VF-1A's inboard and outboard surfaces of the v-tail is called "missile magazine". So they are "missile magazine missiles". Along with three other missiles attached to the outboard surfaces of each of the engine pod's small ventral fins(six total), two "WE-CON" wing end missiles mounted on the main wings' tip and four underwing mounted BB[-1] "buster bombs" they compraise the early "Valkyrie endo-space-use armed system" which was created by Ichiroh Itano.

"WE-CON," "BB[-1]," "Buster bombs," and "endo-space-use armed system" are not Macross terms, and were not coined by Ichiroh Itano.

http://www.anime.net/macross/mecha/united_...s/variable/vf1/

[EganLoo]

Would attaching hardpoints to the arms instead of the gunpod lock the valk in fighter mode?

The hardpoints are already present on the arms's face. I don't believe the augmentative run pallet weapon stations would interfere with transformation, as the entire arm units (including the shoulder units) are the first things to move during transformation to GERWALK or Battroid modes. They move in downward direction away from the engines. So there would be no problem.

The official specifications for the VF-1 Valkyrie do not state that it can handle "augmentative run pallet weapon stations." This is fan speculation written in MAT's doujinshi series, and has not been incorporated in official specifications.

http://www.anime.net/macross/mecha/united_...s/variable/vf1/

[EganLoo]

I think he just read the question wrong.  The tailfin missles that showed up once I think was an animation mistake.  Just like the nose lasers.

Not a mistake. It was a special weapon arrangement VF-1 created Ichiroh Itano.

He was an mechanical animation director of Macross. Creator of the "Itano Circus" (Macross' trademark missile smoke trails, etc.) and worked on some of the greatest animation sequences.... like those shown in the episode Pine Salad, etc.

From the Macross Compendium:

http://www.anime.net/macross/production/cr.../itano_ichiroh/

It is not a mistake, but it was a half-successful attempt to correct a mistake. The original script called for missile salvos (not just from Max's Valkyrie) to destroy the Bug-Eye in episode 10. The key animator instead drew Max's Valkyrie alone destroying the Bug-Eye with one beam. There was no time to reanimate the scene with missiles from all the Valkyries, so Ichiroh Itano was forced to "correct" the scene by replacing the beam and having Max fire all the missiles himself.

That is why Max's Valkyrie didn't have those missiles at all earlier in the episode, only to have them magically appear in that scene. It's also why those missiles are not in the official specs.