M'Kyuun Posted August 4, 2015 Posted August 4, 2015 Well, as for the race question for Johnny, the last trailer provides an answer, implying that Sue is most likely adopted. In this context, it's a non-issue for me. I just want them to be written/played in accordance with their established characters. So far, it looks like that's the case. Honestly, Doom's portrayal is the one that concerns me most. He was so poorly realized in the previous FF films; it's analogous to the Prequel's depiction of Anakin Skywalker. Dr. Doom is arguably one of Marvel's most intriguing and enduring bad guys, and for the sake of the film, I hope the writers did their research to better capture the character. From what I've seen in the trailers, the Four seem to be on the mark; Doom will be the deciding factor. Already, his mask looks odd to me...like it's not a mask at all. I hope that's not the final look for the character; I want to see a fully armored Doom wielding science and sorcery to the detriment of all who oppose him. Quote
azrael Posted August 4, 2015 Posted August 4, 2015 Another thing Fox should've done from the outset when they decided to relaunch the FF, was to work out a crossover with the X-men films. They've teased about the possibility, but if they don't do it, I think it's a huge wasted opportunity. The X movies have done well and I think their inclusion into the FF universe could bring a lot of their fans over the FF franchise that t has struggled to resonate with audiences. That part is currently being discussed. Quote
EXO Posted August 4, 2015 Posted August 4, 2015 The X-Men movies haven't really done well at all. They barely make over the production budget which means they lose money after publicity and distribution even when you add in international bank. I don't get why they keep giving these movies back to Brian Singer. The guy obviously hates the comic book motifs and would rather see the characters in motorcycle gears. Now that they see how much people want to watch the characters to look like their comic book counterparts they're barely starting to catch up, and poorly too. http://www.boxofficemojo.com/search/?q=x-men Quote
505thAirborne Posted August 4, 2015 Posted August 4, 2015 The X-Men movies haven't really done well at all. They barely make over the production budget which means they lose money after publicity and distribution even when you add in international bank. I don't get why they keep giving these movies back to Brian Singer. The guy obviously hates the comic book motifs and would rather see the characters in motorcycle gears. Now that they see how much people want to watch the characters to look like their comic book counterparts they're barely starting to catch up, and poorly too. http://www.boxofficemojo.com/search/?q=x-men I'd like to see Kevin Smith direct an X-Men film, unlike Singer he loves the comics! Quote
Golden Arms Posted August 4, 2015 Posted August 4, 2015 (edited) I agree with you Exo, but I think the only way we will get the X-men films that are fully realized is if Marvel is heavily involved which isn't going to happen any time in the near future. McAvoy and Fassbender are open to reprising their roles after Apocalypse. Deadpool is assured to be a hit, we have a Gambit film in the works and talk of a New mutants spin off. The X moves and FF will both be under Fox for at least the next five years or so. It's funny looking back at the first X film and they mocked comic costumes at the time. And when you watch the behind the scenes the actors can't even scale a short wall due to their leather getups! Very practical, my Arse! Fast forward to today, the general audience loves the Avengers partly because the characters strongly resemble the comic counterparts in costume. The Singer directed films have been enjoyable to watch, I just think of them as alternate reality versions of the characters. Singer didn't direct Wolverine, Last Stand, or first Class. I believe he was a producer on first Class which was directed by Matthew Vaughn. Last stand was directed by Brett Rainer (urghHHH, my eyes are starting to bleed), Singer left to do Superman returns. Edited August 4, 2015 by Golden Arms Quote
Golden Arms Posted August 4, 2015 Posted August 4, 2015 Yeah Myk that's true. Marvel comics is currently owned by Disney and there is speculation that they have canned the FF comic, and talk of doing the same to the X-men to not promote the Fox films. This has even extended to merchandizing as with the Marvel properties there are a ton of movie/comic tie in merchandise out for sale. After the first X-men film and FF film, there has been next to zero merchandise for either of those properties. Quote
ere Posted August 5, 2015 Posted August 5, 2015 Looks promising might have to check this out. Really hoping they stay true to Doom's origin. Quote
EXO Posted August 5, 2015 Posted August 5, 2015 'Fantastic Four': Film Review http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movie/fantastic-four/review/813140 The Bottom Line More like the Unfantastic Four. Fantastic Four feels like a 100-minute trailer for a movie that never happens. At this point in the ever-expanding cinematic superhero game, it behooves any filmmakers who gets involved to have at least a mildly fresh take on their characters and material, but this third attempt to create a worthy cinematic franchise from the first of Stan Lee and Jack Kirby's iconic comic book creations, which can genuinely claim to have launched the Age of Marvel, proves maddeningly lame and unimaginative. Yikes! Quote
areaseven Posted August 5, 2015 Author Posted August 5, 2015 (edited) Ouch! Rotten Tomatoes Rating: 10% - "Dull and downbeat, this Fantastic Four proves a woefully misguided attempt to translate a classic comic series without the humor, joy, or colorful thrills that made it great."Metacritic Score: 27 out of 100 Edited November 27, 2015 by areaseven Quote
Old_Nash Posted August 5, 2015 Posted August 5, 2015 (insert Tetsuo' theme here) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mzko5iNo5wM Quote
Fortress_Maximus Posted August 6, 2015 Posted August 6, 2015 Ouch looks like something to skip. Quote
EXO Posted August 6, 2015 Posted August 6, 2015 (insert Tetsuo' theme here) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mzko5iNo5wM Nothing's worse than an action scene without any action. Sideshow always gets Dr. Doom right. Quote
terry the lone wolf Posted August 6, 2015 Posted August 6, 2015 Yeah Myk that's true. Marvel comics is currently owned by Disney and there is speculation that they have canned the FF comic, and talk of doing the same to the X-men to not promote the Fox films. This has even extended to merchandizing as with the Marvel properties there are a ton of movie/comic tie in merchandise out for sale. After the first X-men film and FF film, there has been next to zero merchandise for either of those properties. I never really bought that. The Fantastic Four hasn't really been a great sell for Marvel in recent years. After a ton a reboots they killed off the Human Torch then replaced him with Spider-Man. After the latest restart the book was finally cancelled and the Thing & Torch were shuttled off to different teams (Guardians of the Galaxy, Uncanny Inhumans, & Uncanny Avengers). While the X-Men are going strong with new books like Astonishing X-Men. I have the preview book of the upcoming "All New All Different Marvel" and I'll say this look out for big changes to Wolverine & X-23.. Quote
Falcon Posted August 6, 2015 Posted August 6, 2015 Definitely going to skip this movie. Trailers don't look entertaining at all. The X-Men movies haven't really done well at all. They barely make over the production budget which means they lose money after publicity and distribution even when you add in international bank. I don't get why they keep giving these movies back to Brian Singer. The guy obviously hates the comic book motifs and would rather see the characters in motorcycle gears. Now that they see how much people want to watch the characters to look like their comic book counterparts they're barely starting to catch up, and poorly too. http://www.boxofficemojo.com/search/?q=x-men Are you sure that's right? Wiki says that the last 2 X-men made quite a bit of money. Think the last one alone more than doubled its budget when you include overseas? Doubt they'll let go of X-Men if that's the case. Maybe the US market just isn't as important as it used to be. They seem to be getting more than enough money internationally these days... If the US market was so influential surely Transformers wouldn't have had so many sequels! Quote
Mommar Posted August 6, 2015 Posted August 6, 2015 I never really bought that. The Fantastic Four hasn't really been a great sell for Marvel in recent years. After a ton a reboots they killed off the Human Torch then replaced him with Spider-Man. After the latest restart the book was finally cancelled and the Thing & Torch were shuttled off to different teams (Guardians of the Galaxy, Uncanny Inhumans, & Uncanny Avengers). While the X-Men are going strong with new books like Astonishing X-Men. I have the preview book of the upcoming "All New All Different Marvel" and I'll say this look out for big changes to Wolverine & X-23.. Well, the X-Men are still around but there are only six books (and with one being Deadpool that's five books and one irritating red guy.) That's the lowest number they've been in twenty five years. To be honest, the changes to Wolverine and Wolverine aren't that big. Quote
EXO Posted August 6, 2015 Posted August 6, 2015 Definitely going to skip this movie. Trailers don't look entertaining at all. Are you sure that's right? Wiki says that the last 2 X-men made quite a bit of money. Think the last one alone more than doubled its budget when you include overseas? Doubt they'll let go of X-Men if that's the case. Maybe the US market just isn't as important as it used to be. They seem to be getting more than enough money internationally these days... If the US market was so influential surely Transformers wouldn't have had so many sequels! The studios don't make much of a share off overseas numbers. They'll make most of their money back in the home video markets. I posted a link somewhere else before on how it works with the international box office. And when you compare the billions Marvel and Disney have made off their franchise within the few years they've been making these movies, it really makes the X-Men movies look bad cosidering they've been doing it for a longer time.The last x-titles haven't really done well. I prefer Matthew Vaughn's First Class but that didn't make enough to keep him on the roster. Suprisingly, the ones that were successful in the box office? The original and Brett Ratner's. Lol. Quote
Mr March Posted August 6, 2015 Posted August 6, 2015 Damn, this is bad news. All the in-depth talk about the film so far seems to confirm that director Trank and the Studio were not on the same page for this film. If it can't reach that sweet spot between the creative skills of the director and the mainstream needs of the studio, it was doomed (chortle) to failure. This is so sad, because the talent in this film both in front of and behind the camera is astounding. This should have been a great film. What a shame Quote
Golden Arms Posted August 6, 2015 Posted August 6, 2015 Well hopefully it will kill this franchise and Fox will have second thoughts about picking it up again. Because they obviously have no clue with this adaptation. Quote
Mommar Posted August 6, 2015 Posted August 6, 2015 Maybe they'll make a call to Kevin Feige now? Quote
EXO Posted August 6, 2015 Posted August 6, 2015 I doubt it. We're talking about an industry that would buy up scripts just to sink competing projects that they own. The best they will do is a similar deal like the one Sony made with Spider-Man so they can still get money out of it. But even with that type of deal how long would it take to reboot this cursed franchise. Phase 3 hasn't even started and that's already planned out until 2019... it think that they'll either wait until people get over this one and then try start it up again to tie in with their own Fox universe. It's too bad since I would love to see Spidey go up against Doom. Quote
SuperSenpai Posted August 6, 2015 Posted August 6, 2015 I doubt it. We're talking about an industry that would buy up scripts just to sink competing projects that they own. The best they will do is a similar deal like the one Sony made with Spider-Man so they can still get money out of it. But even with that type of deal how long would it take to reboot this cursed franchise. Phase 3 hasn't even started and that's already planned out until 2019... it think that they'll either wait until people get over this one and then try start it up again to tie in with their own Fox universe. It's too bad since I would love to see Spidey go up against Doom. I wouldn't rule it out... Punisher, Daredevil, and Hulk were all licensed out and ended up back at Marvel after their non-Marvel produced films ended up as disappointments. I would argue at least 2 out of 3 of those properties are more popular and potentially more lucrative than FF, and yet their respective film studio licensees let them go instead. Quote
EXO Posted August 6, 2015 Posted August 6, 2015 I hope so. I rather wait for a proper movie than have Fox screw up another one. Hopefully they lose enough money on it to just want to get rid of it. Quote
azrael Posted August 6, 2015 Posted August 6, 2015 I wouldn't rule it out... Punisher, Daredevil, and Hulk were all licensed out and ended up back at Marvel after their non-Marvel produced films ended up as ... Yeah, about that standalone Hulk movie. That may not happen for a while. Marvel might not have sole rights for the time being. There's word that Universal still has some control over that property which is why we haven't seen a standalone movie yet. And whether or not Marvel sabotage FF, the comics haven't been doing too well. Quote
Golden Arms Posted August 7, 2015 Posted August 7, 2015 FF should be a very lucrative property for anyone if handled properly. More so than Punisher, DD, or Hulk. Punisher and DD are relegated to the small screen. Marvel could've released them as big screen pictures if they wanted to and decided not to for good reason. FF has Dr. Doom, Galactus, Namor, Silver surfer, the skrulls, and any number of scifi /intergalactic hijinks that a good studio with a clue could make into a interesting franchise. The Chitari in the Avengers film were nothing more than stand ins for the skrulls. You don't think Marvel couldn't run with the ball using them? The skulls are also major enemies of the Kree, so you could have had a tie into the Guardians of the Galaxy, and Captain Marvel. Dr Doom is one of Marvel's best antagonist ever created. If you want to see how much potential he has check out the current Secret wars comic. So many wasted story opportunities, it's so sad. The illumanti, Secret wars, Skrull Invasion, Atlantis etc. Quote
JB0 Posted August 7, 2015 Posted August 7, 2015 Well hopefully it will kill this franchise and Fox will have second thoughts about picking it up again. Because they obviously have no clue with this adaptation.I'm reasonably sure Fox doesn't care. I suspect they made this one not because they thought it'd be the next big thing, but because they were going to lose the rights if they didn't do something soon. Same reason we got the original Casino Royale movie. Quote
Dangard Ace Posted August 7, 2015 Posted August 7, 2015 Fox is never gonna give up X-Men so don't expect them to give up the FF. X-Men tv series possible. http://tvline.com/2015/08/06/x-men-series-fox-2016-marvel/ Quote
Chewie Posted August 7, 2015 Posted August 7, 2015 I watched it last night. I generally like the movies you guys hate. This time, we're on the same page. This movie was a steaming pile of Fox Marvel franchise abortion. Doom was a joke. Didn't know who the actor was going to be until I watched it. Toby Kebbell? Yeah, ooooook. "Wah, the world sucks 'cause the gubment, wah I need someone to love me, wah Susan doesn't look at me like she looks at Reed for the 8 seconds they develop that." Ya know, general Doom stuff except not even remotely portrayed like it should have been. It was teen-y and angsty and crap. Quote
JetJockey Posted August 7, 2015 Posted August 7, 2015 I thought the director's original movie was over hyped. I'm not really surprised by the reaction to this one. Especially with all the controversies. I was more surprised that he was inline to direct a Star Wars movie. Too bad, I want to see a good Fantastic Four movie. The first two were terrible. The teaser trailer to this one looked ok. But if they are going to make a Fantastic Four movie, it should probably be fantastic. Only a few directors are up to that challenge. And not that all Marvel movies are the best. But even their worst movies are far better than the Spider-Man, Fantastic Four, X-Men, and whatever other ones I'm forgetting. Except for maybe X2. Quote
Chewie Posted August 7, 2015 Posted August 7, 2015 And not that all Marvel movies are the best. But even their worst movies are far better than the Spider-Man, Fantastic Four, X-Men, and whatever other ones I'm forgetting. Except for maybe X2. Exactly this right here. Quote
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