renegadeleader1 Posted July 25, 2013 Posted July 25, 2013 If HG wins, you expect Hasbro reclaim all those toys they sold at SDCC? Really? No but they will pay damages equal to the profit from the toys. Quote
Old_Nash Posted July 25, 2013 Posted July 25, 2013 Long ans lost nice times^^ Only way this would go to court is if they drive the mediator crazy. The more cases that are settled out of court, the less grumpy the judge will be. And since HG is the plaintiff, the burden of proof is on them to show that Hasbro committed a violation of their trademark.If HG wins, you expect Hasbro reclaim all those toys they sold at SDCC? Really? From TFW2005.com words [...] Short version for those who do not wish to read the long wall of text: Harmony Gold is taking action in the courts against Hasbro due to the resemblance of the G.I. Joe VS Transformers Jetfire Skystriker, and what they are seeking is:1) Remaining toys to be removed from sale;2) Unsold stock to be turned over to them (& a possible recall);3) Lots of $ in damages. Quote
Roy Focker Posted July 25, 2013 Posted July 25, 2013 So is Hasbro going to show up at people's houses with police demanding the toy back? Hasbro did legally have rights to make the Toy back in the day. Shouldn't that give them the rights to do it now. One thing that does concern me is this could be Harmony Gold plan to get a tighter grip on all things Macross. I can see them threating to sue places like HLJ if they don't hand them over a list of all their customers outside of Japan who bought Macross toys. If this goes to court I don't see Harmony Gold winning. The money behind Hasbro's lawyers is enough crush Harmony Gold's. Man it feels like 2003 again! Quote
Godzilla Posted July 25, 2013 Posted July 25, 2013 HTS isn't going to sell them, the left over's were sold to Fun Publications who owns the Gijoe and Transformers Collector Clubs. They are having a lottery to allow members only to purchase the remaining sets. Where/how are you getting your information about this? Granted I know about the lottery but all of the leftovers? Quote
areaseven Posted July 25, 2013 Posted July 25, 2013 Oh please... don't stop there... grace us with you're valuable insight. *your insight. Quote
skullmilitia Posted July 25, 2013 Posted July 25, 2013 (edited) Where/how are you getting your information about this? Granted I know about the lottery but all of the leftovers?Brian Savage. So is Hasbro going to show up at people's houses with police demanding the toy back? Hasbro did legally have rights to make the Toy back in the day. Shouldn't that give them the rights to do it now. One thing that does concern me is this could be Harmony Gold plan to get a tighter grip on all things Macross. I can see them threating to sue places like HLJ if they don't hand them over a list of all their customers outside of Japan who bought Macross toys. If this goes to court I don't see Harmony Gold winning. The money behind Hasbro's lawyers is enough crush Harmony Gold's. Man it feels like 2003 again! Hasbro didn't own Bandai's mold, only leased it.There's time limits on licensing agreements. All they can do is stop any remaining stock being sold, And take back mechandise from retailers. Technically speaking, the lawsuit could put a hold on any remaining stock currently Being held by any one that's not a end user. HG can't stop imported goods under the Macross banner. Unless they want to feel Big West's firm size 13. Your Japanese toys are safe lol. Edited July 25, 2013 by skullmilitia Quote
jenius Posted July 25, 2013 Posted July 25, 2013 I don't see HG having much of a prayer in this as all Hasbro did was mimic the paint scheme of an older toy, a paint scheme that was never even used in Robotech (although similar ones were). Quote
areaseven Posted July 25, 2013 Posted July 25, 2013 I'm surprised no one has posted pics of the toy in question. So here it is, courtesy of Get Some Grape Soda: And look - one auction ended at US$182.50. Quote
azrael Posted July 25, 2013 Posted July 25, 2013 Man it feels like 2003 again! Yeah, except it isn't us, primarily, doing the talking. We're just sitting back watching the show. To which I welcome them Hasbro-fanboy youngins to the Sued-by-HG club. Quote
skullmilitia Posted July 25, 2013 Posted July 25, 2013 (edited) It certainly is a lazy design. It's too bad the never articulated the Mattel Veritech to at least Go gerwalk. It would be fun to have a 33/4 inch transforming one. Edited July 25, 2013 by skullmilitia Quote
renegadeleader1 Posted July 25, 2013 Posted July 25, 2013 It certainly is a lazy design. It's too bad the never articulated the Mattel Veritech to at least Go gerwalk. It would be fun to have a 33/4 inch transforming one. The original prototype transformed. The actual toy still retained some of the joints for it. Quote
Einherjar Posted July 25, 2013 Posted July 25, 2013 (edited) So if I'm understanding the pics and link areaseven posted, they're suing Hasbro over a toy that has a likeness to what they own only after some assembly required? The stickers/decals packaged with the toy, which the buyer has to physically put on the toy after purchase, makes it appear to infringe on their legal rights if and only if said buyer took the time to "complete" the toy by themselves? Without them, it looks more like a generic fighter plane fresh out of the box? Edited July 25, 2013 by Einherjar Quote
Negotiator Posted July 25, 2013 Posted July 25, 2013 Can the fastpack turn into a separate aircraft? Quote
myk Posted July 25, 2013 Posted July 25, 2013 The original prototype transformed. The actual toy still retained some of the joints for it. I remember poring over that thing when I was a kid and wondered why it had some of the parts to transform but couldn't; do you have any other 'info on that fugly classic? Quote
Isamu Dyson Posted July 25, 2013 Posted July 25, 2013 Seriously this case is a joke. All I see is HG holding the Robotech/Macross license and waiting for a chance to lawfully extort money from others. If Robotech was a power selling license and had toys selling out all over ToysRUs - I could see this case more clearly. However this isn't the case and they aren't really do much with their license. I sincerely hope this does go to court, hopefully HG loses and incur substantial losses with their lawyer fees - file for bancruptcy. Similar to what Marvel Comics did to Defiant for the "Plasm" case. Quote
Omega Prime Posted July 25, 2013 Posted July 25, 2013 (edited) Too bad the "Concering Harmony Gold and Robotech" thread is closed. Cause I have a question regarding the SDCC Jetfire lawsuit and Harmony Gold's license. To setup my question here is what I know: Tatsunoko Productions which Harmony Gold got it's license became a subsidery of Takara-Tomy in 2006 which has been a partner with Hasbro since the 1980's. So my question is this, isn't Harmony Gold's license set for renewal with Tatsunoko in 2018 or sometime in the near future? Wouldn't HG suing a very profitable partner of Takara (Hasbro) be insentive for Takara's subsidiary Tatsunoko not renewing HG's licenses for ALL (Macross, Southern Cross, Mosepeada) the animes that comprise Robotech? Or at worst Takara makingTatsunoko terminate HG's license agreement? In effect isn't this kind of suicidal? Or at the very least make the contract between Harmony Gold & Tatsunoko public and weaking its ablity to intimidate other companies? And most importantly why WAIT almost 6 weeks after the toy was announced and after the convention to sue? If this was to build attention to Love Live Alive why didn't they do this 6 weeks ago when it would had some impact? Edited July 25, 2013 by Omega Prime Quote
taksraven Posted July 25, 2013 Posted July 25, 2013 WEHT the Mechwarrior game that HG started legal action against most recently. Vapourware? Quote
Crossboy Posted July 25, 2013 Posted July 25, 2013 Good job, HG. You pissed off next prospective customers for your toys, Transformers and G.I. Joe fans. Maybe Harmony Gold is angry because Pacific Rim was financial failure in US so Warner Bros probably doesn't want to produce the Robotech Movie. Quote
Bri Posted July 25, 2013 Posted July 25, 2013 Can't see anything happen except a small settlement by which HG's law firm earns it's paycheck for another year. Quote
Mommar Posted July 25, 2013 Posted July 25, 2013 Too bad the "Concering Harmony Gold and Robotech" thread is closed. Cause I have a question regarding the SDCC Jetfire lawsuit and Harmony Gold's license. To setup my question here is what I know: Tatsunoko Productions which Harmony Gold got it's license became a subsidery of Takara-Tomy in 2006 which has been a partner with Hasbro since the 1980's. So my question is this, isn't Harmony Gold's license set for renewal with Tatsunoko in 2018 or sometime in the near future? Wouldn't HG suing a very profitable partner of Takara (Hasbro) be insentive for Takara's subsidiary Tatsunoko not renewing HG's licenses for ALL (Macross, Southern Cross, Mosepeada) the animes that comprise Robotech? Or at worst Takara makingTatsunoko terminate HG's license agreement? In effect isn't this kind of suicidal? Or at the very least make the contract between Harmony Gold & Tatsunoko public and weaking its ablity to intimidate other companies? And most importantly why WAIT almost 6 weeks after the toy was announced and after the convention to sue? If this was to build attention to Love Live Alive why didn't they do this 6 weeks ago when it would had some impact? I'll call this wishful thinking. Good thinking, but wishful. Quote
Funkenstein Posted July 25, 2013 Posted July 25, 2013 WEHT the Mechwarrior game that HG started legal action against most recently. Vapourware? The game came out a few years later as a F2P online game called Mechwarrior Online. They're releasing the "unseen" mechs like the Battlemaster and Thunderbolt so the Warhammer (Tomahawk) is very likely to show up. Quote
Lorindor Posted July 25, 2013 Posted July 25, 2013 Actually, I think the shape of that "FAST pack" is clearly a rip-off. And if the fully assembled toy is seen on the package, I can see how it could, in theory, confuse a unknowing consumer. (But to be honest, I don't know much about US laws). The scheme is very close to Hikaru's VF-1A and VF-1S from DYRL, and Harmony Gold has the merchandise rights for DYRL as far as I know. So I can understand Harmony Gold on this one. Quote
taksraven Posted July 25, 2013 Posted July 25, 2013 Good job, HG. You pissed off next prospective customers for your toys, Transformers and G.I. Joe fans. Maybe Harmony Gold is angry because Pacific Rim was financial failure in US so Warner Bros probably doesn't want to produce the Robotech Movie. How cool would it be to see the RT:LAM officially shitcanned? Imagine the excuses coming from HG. Quote
David Hingtgen Posted July 25, 2013 Posted July 25, 2013 The scheme is very close to Hikaru's VF-1A and VF-1S from DYRL, and Harmony Gold has the merchandise rights for DYRL as far as I know. So I can understand Harmony Gold on this one. But it just becomes circular again---the DYRL scheme (and Roy's TV scheme) is basically the real-life Jolly Rogers scheme on the F-14---which is what the Skystriker is in the first place. Heck, with the slats out, you even get red stripes on the wings: Quote
VF5SS Posted July 26, 2013 Posted July 26, 2013 http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=c0JcE1Tz0tQ&t=461 I remember when the Skystrikers had space boosters in the show Quote
areaseven Posted July 26, 2013 Posted July 26, 2013 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c0JcE1Tz0tQ&t=461 I remember when the Skystrikers had space boosters in the show Like many episodes, this was wrong on so many levels, but still better than the live-action movies. Quote
Duke Togo Posted July 26, 2013 Posted July 26, 2013 Like many episodes, this was wrong on so many levels, but still better than the live-action movies. So bad, but so good! Quote
Old_Nash Posted July 26, 2013 Posted July 26, 2013 Like many episodes, this was wrong on so many levels, but still better than the live-action movies. Retaliation was good -.- Much from animated serie in him Quote
danth Posted July 26, 2013 Posted July 26, 2013 Like many episodes, this was wrong on so many levels, but still better than the live-action movies. I know, fighter jets flying in space? That's like the dumbest thing ever. Quote
areaseven Posted July 26, 2013 Posted July 26, 2013 I know, fighter jets flying in space? That's like the dumbest thing ever. Oh yeah? What about Ace drifting toward the Sun? How'd he get there so quickly from Earth's orbit? And who could forget this episode that completely throws logic out the window? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yIyzfYVIuk4 Quote
Gubaba Posted July 26, 2013 Posted July 26, 2013 http://www.shortpacked.com/2013/comic/book-15/03-sdcc-2013/harmonygold/ Quote
soul.assassin Posted July 26, 2013 Posted July 26, 2013 Man, I wonder why it took, ahem, HG to wait for a very long time before suing (I watched the show back in '84), unless they deliberately waited until the right moment to attack. Anyway, the other good news I paid attention to was the SDCC screening of AKB0048. https://twitter.com/AKB0048_ura/status/360225631428030464 Quote
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