valhary Posted July 1, 2015 Posted July 1, 2015 I could change mine that come with missing part for a new one with plamoya so if you purchase in a big store is possible they help to obtain a change Quote
no3Ljm Posted July 1, 2015 Posted July 1, 2015 So are the hardpoint weapons only attachable onto the VF-171 series(wings from armored pack), the YF-30 and VF-19 Advance? Yes. Quote
Roanstalker Posted July 15, 2015 Posted July 15, 2015 Yes. Kinda annoying. I wanted to use the VF-25 Armoured Part's Reaction Missiles on my VF-19Advance and they dont work... Quote
Jasonc Posted July 16, 2015 Posted July 16, 2015 Kinda annoying. I wanted to use the VF-25 Armoured Part's Reaction Missiles on my VF-19Advance and they dont work... That really sucks. Do the others fit on it? If not, I think we'll be seeing another exclusive parts set with the HMMs and the other missiles that are similar to Arcadia's release. I mean, God forbid they actually come out with EVERYTHING. Quote
chyll2 Posted July 16, 2015 Posted July 16, 2015 maybe someone can make a parts from shapeway to make an adapter to make the armored parts reaction missile to fit the standard DX hardpoints Quote
Gundam@EFSF Posted July 16, 2015 Posted July 16, 2015 Battroid Mode!【VF-171EX Nightmare Plus】超時空要塞F Addicted to Marcross DX超合金 since VF-19 Advance...Take 4 to take pics for this not so good looking VF171Ex, finally catch the point, make it like heavy equipped SWAT~Enjoy!http://gundamatefsf.blogspot.hk/2015/07/battroid-modevf-171ex-nightmare-plusf.html Quote
Loop Posted July 16, 2015 Posted July 16, 2015 Coming from Saburo, that is a high praise statement. Quote
M'Kyuun Posted July 16, 2015 Posted July 16, 2015 @Gundam@EFSF Great shots! Concur. I've never been too crazy about Alto's VF-171 color scheme, much preferring the CF, but your pics make me reconsider. Thanks for sharing. Quote
Gundam@EFSF Posted July 17, 2015 Posted July 17, 2015 @Gundam@EFSF Great shots! Coming from Saburo, that is a high praise statement. thanks for your appreciation! Quote
94medition Posted July 17, 2015 Posted July 17, 2015 (Belated) Welcome to MW Gundam@EFSF bro. Great pictures as usual. (I'm tman in TD ) Quote
spanner Posted July 19, 2015 Posted July 19, 2015 beautiful shots Gundam! You certainly managed to bring out the best of a VF-171! looks fantastic! Quote
no3Ljm Posted July 20, 2015 Posted July 20, 2015 Great pics, Gundam@EFSF. I like Alto's VF-171Ex, except for those rubber shoes. Quote
spanner Posted August 16, 2015 Posted August 16, 2015 just went through my very first attempt at transforming the 171 from battroid back to fighter.. geez what a total PITA!!! so fiddly and unnecessarily complicated! Big thanks to Jenius video on Anymoon.com which helped me out a great deal! but hey what a total head f#$% of a job to get it all done and in a presentable state! The shoulder covers still don't quite want to line up exactly flush with the upper part of the body but after wasting 2 hours of my life which I won't ever get back I am happy I the way it is now.. Getting both the upper shoulder articulation joints lined up correctly so the arms sit properly on the upper fuselage was quite tricky too! I tell ya this friggin thing nearly ended up against the wall a few times! Quote
no3Ljm Posted August 16, 2015 Posted August 16, 2015 just went through my very first attempt at transforming the 171 from battroid back to fighter.. geez what a total PITA!!! so fiddly and unnecessarily complicated! Big thanks to Jenius video on Anymoon.com which helped me out a great deal! but hey what a total head f#$% of a job to get it all done and in a presentable state! The shoulder covers still don't quite want to line up exactly flush with the upper part of the body but after wasting 2 hours of my life which I won't ever get back I am happy I the way it is now.. Getting both the upper shoulder articulation joints lined up correctly so the arms sit properly on the upper fuselage was quite tricky too! I tell ya this friggin thing nearly ended up against the wall a few times! Sad to hear about that, Spanner. The only trick I learned from transforming Valk after that 7 hours incident with me and my Yamato YF-21 is when you're on the point of getting frustrated while transforming it, put down the valk, walk away, relax and do something else. After that, come back and do it again. You'd be surprise how easy it is to transform it. By the way, that VF-171Ex was engineered by those who made that 'famous' and 'well praised' VF-19 Advance, right? Quote
MacrossJunkie Posted August 16, 2015 Posted August 16, 2015 I feel the only real hard part is getting that neck plate and head turned around in that confined space. Requires some finger acrobatics. Quote
spanner Posted August 16, 2015 Posted August 16, 2015 Sad to hear about that, Spanner. The only trick I learned from transforming Valk after that 7 hours incident with me and my Yamato YF-21 is when you're on the point of getting frustrated while transforming it, put down the valk, walk away, relax and do something else. After that, come back and do it again. You'd be surprise how easy it is to transform it. By the way, that VF-171Ex was engineered by those who made that 'famous' and 'well praised' VF-19 Advance, right? 7 hours!! I don't feel so bad about how long it took me now! I got this Valk loose so I don't have the user manual to reference from which didn't help. And yes I think Bandai have learnt a great deal about tricky transformations since then! The VF-19 is a total breeze compared to this! I feel the only real hard part is getting that neck plate and head turned around in that confined space. Requires some finger acrobatics. Ahhh yes that head swivel joint had me stumped for a while there. Tricky little bastard of a thing! Quote
no3Ljm Posted August 16, 2015 Posted August 16, 2015 (edited) 7 hours!! I don't feel so bad about how long it took me now! I got this Valk loose so I don't have the user manual to reference from which didn't help. And yes I think Bandai have learnt a great deal about tricky transformations since then! The VF-19 is a total breeze compared to this! Yup. 7 hours. And I have photos of that to prove it. Hahaha! All it gave me is a stressed plastic in which after 2 more transformations, it finally got snapped. Hence the famous exploding thigh of the YF-21's. And that's before I found out about that extra 'click'. Edited August 16, 2015 by no3ljm Quote
spanner Posted August 16, 2015 Posted August 16, 2015 (edited) ahhh yes I remember that now! A rather unfortunate incident.. As frustrated as I was getting I did my best to keep my cool and not start wrestling it or being forceful. I few deep breathes and a closer look at what I was doing started generating results! What really gave me trouble was getting the upper arm joints absolutely right so that the arms line up and properly click in on the upper fuselage. I might have a another go at those just to make the shoulder pad sections line a little better. Not holding my breathe on that one though.. At least now I know how to transform it. And I think it looks a lot better in fighter mode AND with a clean load out! I packed the super armor bits away. Being a somewhat awkward looking plane as it is it looked a little too busy with all that stuff hanging off it. Edited August 16, 2015 by spanner76 Quote
jenius Posted August 17, 2015 Posted August 17, 2015 I was told the 171 was designed by TRex but can't swear to it... If so, it's the guy that does Arcadia's stuff. Quote
Chronocidal Posted August 17, 2015 Posted August 17, 2015 I dunno, I've never seen any mechanisms as needlessly over-complicated and outright stupid as the 171's knee joint. I can't honestly believe those came from the same engineers as anyone working for Yamato or Arcadia. Quote
Lolicon Posted August 17, 2015 Posted August 17, 2015 Making something needlessly complicated is indicative of poor design. Quote
spanner Posted August 17, 2015 Posted August 17, 2015 (edited) I guess it came down to being able to make a toy that is as faithful to the anime as possible even if it meant engineering overly complicated joints / mechanisms in order to achieve the desired results. Clearly they would learn from their mistakes and as design and construction methods advanced along with improved materials it would result in better (if still complicated / intricate) toys such as the VF-19Adv and YF-30 (which are pretty much completely new molds for Bandai). I don't think there have been that many significant design or failure issues with them. Edited August 17, 2015 by spanner76 Quote
Scream Man Posted August 17, 2015 Posted August 17, 2015 just went through my very first attempt at transforming the 171 from battroid back to fighter.. geez what a total PITA!!! so fiddly and unnecessarily complicated! Big thanks to Jenius video on Anymoon.com which helped me out a great deal! but hey what a total head f#$% of a job to get it all done and in a presentable state! The shoulder covers still don't quite want to line up exactly flush with the upper part of the body but after wasting 2 hours of my life which I won't ever get back I am happy I the way it is now.. Getting both the upper shoulder articulation joints lined up correctly so the arms sit properly on the upper fuselage was quite tricky too! I tell ya this friggin thing nearly ended up against the wall a few times! There's a reason I sold it to ya... Quote
spanner Posted August 17, 2015 Posted August 17, 2015 There's a reason I sold it to ya... hehe!! you know I figured as much! Quote
Chronocidal Posted August 17, 2015 Posted August 17, 2015 True, bad design is just bad design. It's more that Bandai seems to always design everything with 3 to 4 times the number of necessary parts, so unless they're mandating a ton of details to their contractors, I don't think the group who made the 171 worked on any of the Yamarcadia valks. It's just a consistent style of parts breakdown that the Bandai designs have that I haven't seen replicated anywhere else. Quote
jenius Posted August 17, 2015 Posted August 17, 2015 I can check my old emails but I'm pretty sure it was the same guy. I remember there were specific requests to differentiate it from the Yammy VF17 he had done as much as possible. I'd guess the stupid wings are directly from a Bandai request as a money making scheme. Quote
Chronocidal Posted August 17, 2015 Posted August 17, 2015 K, maybe Bandai just likes to micro-manage it's products then. The specific thing that I always see in every Bandai valk is that they absolutely love tiny insert pieces. When I took apart the hips on my 171, there were at least three individual itty-bitty plastic nubs that slid into place around where the rest of the leg fit in. And it's like that all over the thing. Removing any major assembly will usually result in a handful of plastic filler bits falling out. I've just never seen that kind of practice on anything Yamato or Arcadia do, so maybe it's just in Bandai's requirements. Quote
jenius Posted August 17, 2015 Posted August 17, 2015 I guess it's possible that it was another guy and he was just told to differentiate it from the Yammy VF-17 as much as possible... but I think it was the same guy or else I probably wouldn't have heard anything. Also, I remember when the 171 CFs started falling apart he said that the specs had very specific requirements for tolerances that the factory had completely ignored. As to the level of complexity, that also might come down to specs laid out by the company ordering the design. I could easily imagine Yamato/Arcadia specifying fewer parts to help reduce costs and Bandai just saying "go nuts." Quote
treatment Posted August 18, 2015 Posted August 18, 2015 (edited) Other than coloring, what is/are the difference(s) between the CF-171 and the Alto/New-Guy 171? Seems like they're all from the same complicated design, but the CF is the only one that explodes or something just by looking at it. Edited August 18, 2015 by treatment Quote
mickyg Posted August 18, 2015 Posted August 18, 2015 The biggest difference, visually, is the cockpit/canopy. It's easy to tell by looking at it. But why is it different? Because the EX (Alto and co's version) is built to use the EX-Gear. So the whole cockpit/canopy section had to be based around that piece of equipment. It looks more VF-25ish too, if you look at them side-by-side. Quote
Valkyrie Driver Posted August 18, 2015 Posted August 18, 2015 The Head sculpt is also different. Also, the Alto seems to be made of stronger plastic. I don't have a CF, since I chose to pass on it due to the exploding thighs... Quote
spanner Posted August 18, 2015 Posted August 18, 2015 so the CF must have just been a bad batch which they rectified for the other variants yes? My CF seems to be holding itself together well.. I put if back to fighter so I think that will be the last time I touch it! Quote
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