Red Dawn Remake---Is nothing sacred???

[Knight26]

This movie is such a bad idea. As cheesy and unbelievable as the original one was it worked because of cold war hysteria. This one has none of that, no one is worried about an invasion from China or North Korea, but at least China was slightly more plausible as at least they have an expiditionary warfare force, small as it may be. North Korea could never mount an invasion of the US, especially not on that scale. Heck if they were to remake it they should have left it as the Russians and just said that a militant russia party took over Russia and decided to forcibly expand.

Heck a joint invasion by Canada and Mexico would be more probable than North Korea.

[Vifam7]

My point is not even about the invasion of the US itself (in the original). It was that a bunch of kids could take on Russian Spetznaz (at one point) is laughable at best, jingoistic nonsense at worst.

It's not completely implausible. Throughout history, guerilla warfare (often conducted by armed civilians) have put a lot of hurt on occupation armies.

The original did have one thing going for it, the Hinds they mocked up looked great, and the RPGs actually had a missile trail (OK, two things)

The T-72 and ZSU-23-4 also looked pretty good.

[Old_Nash]

2012...

[Zor Primus]

Think you guys are missing out on the fictitious movie fact that the Naughty Koreans used some type of EMP Superweapon to initiate the invasion. That said, a 9mil strong army would have little difficultly in flying in on gliders if they wanted to. I'm sure the cards will be stacked against the US like in the original. Fighting wars in the Middle East, low recruitment because of the wars, financial calamity, and the Euro's turning their backs on us again...yeah thanks for sitting out in the first movie too punks

Now I'm not defending this remake, I'm also tired of the lack of creativity in Hollywood...but I'm gonna give this one a chance regardless because somewhere hidden in this movie, like the original is the possibility to wake up that Patriot in all of us. Don't deny it!

America...F' Yeah!

[TehPW]

If you dislike what they put out, dont support them at the box office.

[renegadeleader1]

If you dislike what they put out, dont support them at the box office.

Tell that to idiots that keep seeing the transformers movies.

[reddsun1]

This movie is such a bad idea. As cheesy and unbelievable as the original one was it worked because of cold war hysteria...

...Heck a joint invasion by Canada and Mexico would be more probable than North Korea.

hrm--you don't say?

"The plot, a Soviet/Cuban invasion from Mexico, was based on CIA and War College studies of US weaknesses at the time."

http://www.imdb.com/...t0087985/trivia

ed: but yes--a little cold war hysteria was the key ingredient to make it a bit more palatable.

Edited August 15, 2012 by reddsun1

[myk]

It's not completely implausible. Throughout history, guerilla warfare (often conducted by armed civilians) have put a lot of hurt on occupation armies.

Yeah man, where's Stick/Scott when you need him?

[Vile]

That is being unfair, the original was also a steaming pile of garbage that made no sense.

'struth.

In order to keep the movie politically friendly for all of our global friends, the villain should have been a giant Spagetti and Marinara Monster

Man, you just offended every follower of one of the world's fastest-growing religions:

Pastafarianism

Edited August 15, 2012 by Vile

[reddsun1]

Ah...I still agree with Siskel and Ebert. If it had been "realistic," the kids would've been all killed in ten minutes, and the movie would've been a short subject.

Sorry, I should have stated more specifically that I always thought the pyrotechnics were realistic, compared to other movies of the day. As for the prospects of high schoolers vs the Russian Army: I've no doubt that would have been one quick battle, a short movie indeed.

[TehPW]

'struth.

Man, you just offended every follower of one of the world's fastest-growing religions:

Pastafarianism

oh ive done that. I left Sci Fi Flare because an offence to others. Derp. &^% 'em. Edited August 15, 2012 by TehPW

[TehPW]

Tell that to idiots that keep seeing the transformers movies.

dude. you ARE SUPPOSED to turn off your brain in those movies. the fact that they were retards to start merely made the process faster... and i still liked the movies. (and if they did the job ie Little Timmy pissing himself until daddy caves and takes them to ToysRretards... derp)

Yeah man, where's Stick/Scott when you need him?

or Free Capella (if you lived during the FEDCOM years in Battletech lore... maybe the Thuggee cults? Edited August 15, 2012 by TehPW

[Ghost Train]

Regarding the whole Cuban participation thing in the original film, when I first saw it I thought it was kinda out of place, but after I learned some history: not improbable in either a fictitious or real confrontation between the Soviets and the US. Cubans saw lots of military action in various conflicts during the cold war, to name a few:

-Rhodesian Bush War

-The Angolan Civil War

-US Invasion of Granada (where they came in direct confrontation with US Rangers & Airborne)

And there are the tons of covert actions that made that guy Che so famous.

[Omega Prime]

The other thing to consider in the original RD is that ALOT of domino's had fallen in the stories geopolitical landscape that led to the Soviet invasion.(NATO crumbling) Some of the events that led up to the invasion weren't far out of the realm of possibility either in the real world.

Sorry for getting political.

And to add to that, and also hoping this won't come off as political, but in the early 1980s it didn't seem that the Cold War would end the way it did nor did it seem that the Soviet Union disappear in less than a decade.

And keep in mind the Cuban Missle Crisis was only 22 year prior to when the first Red Dawn Came out (1984). If memory servers the Cuban military was the boots on the ground in the movie. So as contrived as the first movie was it at least had that sense of continuity with the geopolitical landscape.

As for the modern remake... I just can't image the North Korean army launching a invasion that would drawf D-Day. And wouldn't that risk large amounts of NKPA defecting and NOT fighting for the North Korean Army?

[Noyhauser]

And to add to that, and also hoping this won't come off as political, but in the early 1980s it didn't seem that the Cold War would end the way it did nor did it seem that the Soviet Union disappear in less than a decade.

And keep in mind the Cuban Missle Crisis was only 22 year prior to when the first Red Dawn Came out (1984). If memory servers the Cuban military was the boots on the ground in the movie. So as contrived as the first movie was it at least had that sense of continuity with the geopolitical landscape.

As for the modern remake... I just can't image the North Korean army launching a invasion that would drawf D-Day. And wouldn't that risk large amounts of NKPA defecting and NOT fighting for the North Korean Army?

Let me put it really simply. There is no way that the North Koreans or even the Chinese for that matter could pull off an invasion like this. Zip, nada. N.o.n.e. And how did those planes fly all the way to Washington DC? Its the most implausible thing I've ever considered.

This is about the dumbest movie out in years.

[Chowser]

Any good rifle porn in this movie?

Thinking I need a .308. Bring back the firearms thread!

If anyone cares, the original Red Dawn is on Netflix instant. I won't have time to get to it. Still upset Netflix doesn't have Dragon Tiger Gate in Catonese. I hate dubs.

[grss1982]

Let me put it really simply. There is no way that the North Koreans or even the Chinese for that matter could pull off an invasion like this. Zip, nada. N.o.n.e. And how did those planes fly all the way to Washington DC? Its the most implausible thing I've ever considered.

This is about the dumbest movie out in years.

It was not DC. It was the state of Washington if I heard the trailer right.

[renegadeleader1]

It was not DC. It was the state of Washington if I heard the trailer right.

I never noticed an actual city in the trailer, but I do remember them mentioning the north west corridor, so that's pretty much the upper Cali, Oregon, Washington state, British Columbia area.

[reddsun1]

They need to leave John Milius' movies alone. The Conan remake looked like sh*t. This one looks like it will be sh*t. Never mind popcorn; take a roll of TP with you to the theater. Leave them alone.

[areaseven]

Rotten Tomatoes Rating: 11% - Surprisingly higher than predicted.

[myk]

Too much AK rifle porn, not enough 'AR style rifles; FAIL...

[505thAirborne]

So who actually went to go see this one??

[derex3592]

a buddy of mine took his two boys to go see it over the weekend and he said he liked it a bunch and thought it was better than the original.. :blink: .I'll give it a Redbox rental later I guess

[505thAirborne]

a buddy of mine took his two boys to go see it over the weekend and he said he liked it a bunch and thought it was better than the original.. :blink: .I'll give it a Redbox rental later I guess

When its Free on FX or TNT!

[RD Blade]

I heard this movie was filmed about three years ago and shelved. But now that Chris of Asgaard is a box office draw, the movie was deemed worthy of a theatrical release.

[Old_Nash]

Why don't take the game Homefront and make a movie????

[Dynaman]

Just saw this one and it is WORSE then the original. At least the original was a product of the time - real fear at the time of such events no matter how implausible they actually were. Original also had that great orchestral score.

This one though - I don't even remember the music, and it seemed to take itself far too seriously. I turned it off halway though for being too boring and stupid.

Stupidity starts with a paradrop over a city/town - you DON'T do that, and you don't a war with a para-drop in daylight (Market-Garden had one but they were in a rush, and they purposely avoided dropping on a city). And why are elite paratroopers being used to occupy a city at the start of the war? Don't they have more important things to do? Like taking on enemy combat units?

But the part that really really really blew it was when our heros went into town - and the Taco Bell in the occupied zone was up and running just like normal. Does ANYONE check these scripts for mind numbing stupidity?

[miles316]

Just saw this one and it is WORSE then the original. At least the original was a product of the time - real fear at the time of such events no matter how implausible they actually were. Original also had that great orchestral score.

This one though - I don't even remember the music, and it seemed to take itself far too seriously. I turned it off halway though for being too boring and stupid.

Stupidity starts with a paradrop over a city/town - you DON'T do that, and you don't a war with a para-drop in daylight (Market-Garden had one but they were in a rush, and they purposely avoided dropping on a city). And why are elite paratroopers being used to occupy a city at the start of the war? Don't they have more important things to do? Like taking on enemy combat units?

But the part that really really really blew it was when our heros went into town - and the Taco Bell in the occupied zone was up and running just like normal. Does ANYONE check these scripts for mind numbing stupidity?

Isn't the only reason they released it was Hemsworth/Thor was in it?

[Dynaman]

Isn't the only reason they released it was Hemsworth/Thor was in it?

That and they went through the expense of filming the thing.

I forgot another bit of stupidity. Big bad enemy commander goes out to hunt down a bunch of kids that got away in a pickup truck? At least in the original they did not go after the kids till they started making an actual nuisance of themselves, and even then they sent out combat troops rather then going themselves. (that is BAD, I actually was forced to say the original made more sense...)

[myk]

That and they went through the expense of filming the thing.

I forgot another bit of stupidity. Big bad enemy commander goes out to hunt down a bunch of kids that got away in a pickup truck? At least in the original they did not go after the kids till they started making an actual nuisance of themselves, and even then they sent out combat troops rather then going themselves. (that is BAD, I actually was forced to say the original made more sense...)

The original was just a better film. One of my favorite examples of how the original triumphed over its remake was the situation with the kid who was discovered to have a tracking device oh him: you saw a poignant moment where it could be argued that the group was becoming more war-like and "evil" as the Communist invaders they were fighting against. In the remake, it was more like "oh well, one of our guys got hit with a tracking device-let's just leave him out here." The original movie was much more dramatic and had greater emotional impact than the remake, which is just a wasted opportunity IMO...

[505thAirborne]

The original is a far underrated film and I am always surprised by the amount of smack that it gets, especially for the time it was made, you know when WWIII was still very likely with Russia, its not without its faults but I still enjoy it. Haven't seen the remake yet, but based on the pile of complaints and boos its gotten, doesn't sound like I am missing out on anything.