moncikoma Posted May 21, 2012 Share Posted May 21, 2012 (edited) THIS IS A PLACE to discuss which valk got the best of the best in terms of design, concept, power, and peoples choice.. lets start from ... MESSIAH FASTPACKS VS DURANDAL : Debut: Macross Frontier, Episode 1 Pilot(s): Henry Gilliam, Alto Saotome Other appearances: none. Original mechanical designer: Shoji Kawamori FAST Packs The VF-25 can be fitted with one of two add-on packs to improve its performance. The VF-25 can transform between Fighter, GERWALK, and Battroid modes without having to jettison the pack VERSUS... * Maximum speed: o standard, in atmosphere at 10000 m: Mach 5.5+, (on account of the fuselage heat-resistance limit. Possible speeds of greater than Mach 10 for brief periods) * Maximum airframe design load: 32.5kg [40.0G] Design Features Forward-swept wings. Four-section design. Fold Wave system. Fold Wave projector system. Fold Quartz amplifier installed on each side of fuselage. Fold quartz not only improves airframe performance but also amplifies the effect of intervention and obstruction of Vajra fold network and fold song Manufacturer: Shinsei Industry/ Macross Frontier Arsenal Original Development/L.A.I. Fighter mode * Length, overall: 18.73 m * Width, overall: 14.15 m (with main wings deployed) * Height (without landing gear): 3.88 m Appearances * Debut: Macross Frontier: The Movie ~Sayonara no Tsubasa~ Background * Designer: Shoji Kawamori * Design inspiration: VF-25 Messiah with Tornado Pack Although Shoji Kawamori originally intended to design the YF-29 with forward swept wings like the YF-19, he didn't plan for it to have 4 sections like the VF-27 Lucifer. His inspiration came from incorporating elements of the first movie's Tornado pack. the winner is : both! Edited May 21, 2012 by David Hingtgen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charger69 Posted May 21, 2012 Share Posted May 21, 2012 The winner is Bandai Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moncikoma Posted May 21, 2012 Author Share Posted May 21, 2012 (edited) so true..... but what ur choice? durandal or messiah? Edited May 21, 2012 by moncikoma Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Focker Posted May 21, 2012 Share Posted May 21, 2012 for me, VF-25 wins by default because i can't yet get my hands on a YF-29 i wonder if any of the pre-orders have re-opened.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dimis Posted May 21, 2012 Share Posted May 21, 2012 (edited) I voted YF-29 if we are comparing fighter modes only. But in battroid i prefer VF-25F with super parts. About gerwalk, YF-29's gerwalk can compete if you mess with the thrusters and the swivel lasers to give it a more "functional" backpack. SUch as: Edited May 21, 2012 by Dimis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lynk Posted May 21, 2012 Share Posted May 21, 2012 YF-29 is a spikey mess of spikey things going EVERYWHERE in Battroid mode... I never know where it's safe to handle it... it... scares me. VF-25 with or without Super parts is sleak and sexy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ignacio Ocamica Posted May 21, 2012 Share Posted May 21, 2012 YF-29 Durandal!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ff95gj Posted May 21, 2012 Share Posted May 21, 2012 I don't know. I never like the F head much, and the YF-29 has a face of a S. But fighter-mode-wise, I like the VF-25 better. With or without the Super Parts or Armored Parts. Don't like the Tornado Parts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Random Posted May 21, 2012 Share Posted May 21, 2012 I haven't gotten my hands on a VF-25 yet. I'm looking forward to it since I've come to prefer the idea of a fighter system - i.e. a basic fighter with lots of role specific add-on options. I agree that the YF-29 is too spiky. You have to watch the head fin when transforming and the canards get in the way when posing the battroid. I also think the wings look a bit too clunky in battroid mode. The FAST packs seem really contrived - the YF-29 is one of the few talks that look better without. The YF-29 does have some good stuff going for it. I like the colors. I love the leg missile pods. The built in twin beam cannon is great. The beam rifle is nice. Comments on the anime... I feel that the YF-29 really got slighted in the anime. It didn't seem necessary and could have been replaced with Alto's VF-25 with Tornado pack. The twin beam cannon is used only once that I noticed. You wouldn't even know that it has a beam rifle unless you noticed the size. I don't think the leg or shoulder missile pods were used at all. I still have no idea why it has harpoons on the FAST packs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Hingtgen Posted May 21, 2012 Share Posted May 21, 2012 The YF-29 is simply "too much" IMHO. The VF-25 is an "instant classic". The YF-29 is screaming "I'm an X-TREME valk" and should have flame deco and chromed rims. The VF-25 is the latest in the line descending from the VF-1, just better in every way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyp Durron Posted May 21, 2012 Share Posted May 21, 2012 The YF-29 is simply "too much" IMHO. The VF-25 is an "instant classic". The YF-29 is screaming "I'm an X-TREME valk" and should have flame deco and chromed rims. The VF-25 is the latest in the line descending from the VF-1, just better in every way. This. -Kyp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reïvaj Posted May 21, 2012 Share Posted May 21, 2012 (edited) Regardig the toys: VF-25F. In universe: I much prefer the classicness of the VF-25. Edited May 22, 2012 by Reïvaj Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
505thAirborne Posted May 21, 2012 Share Posted May 21, 2012 David Hingtgen earns best comment so far on this topic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanedas Bike Posted May 21, 2012 Share Posted May 21, 2012 The YF-29 is simply "too much" IMHO. The VF-25 is an "instant classic". The YF-29 is screaming "I'm an X-TREME valk" and should have flame deco and chromed rims. The VF-25 is the latest in the line descending from the VF-1, just better in every way. This. -Kyp Double This. The 25 is an instant classic, and while the 29 grew on me a little bit if I had to choose between the two, the 25 is just so clean vs. the overall too-busy-for-it's-own-good 29. That and my avatar should point to my obvious bias. -b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost Train Posted May 22, 2012 Share Posted May 22, 2012 Hate the -171, -25, -27, -29 and their lego block crotch in battroid mode. The most beautiful valkyrie in all of the series and movies is a certain VF-19 with Frontier-era fast packs swooping in to save the day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham Posted May 22, 2012 Share Posted May 22, 2012 Prefer the VF-25F toy and anime design over the YF-29 toy and anime design. Graham Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
valid Posted May 22, 2012 Share Posted May 22, 2012 i think in anime vf 29 can't do anything.. it only dancing with it mambo jambo light ..in term of manuverability the 27 still could outmanuver it.. even the vajra manage to shoot alto for me vf 25 is more battle worthy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raptormesh Posted May 22, 2012 Share Posted May 22, 2012 i think in anime vf 29 can't do anything.. it only dancing with it mambo jambo light ..in term of manuverability the 27 still could outmanuver it.. even the vajra manage to shoot alto for me vf 25 is more battle worthy What...? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gian Posted May 22, 2012 Share Posted May 22, 2012 Compared to the VF-25, the YF-29 looks like a ugly tuned car IMO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charger69 Posted May 22, 2012 Share Posted May 22, 2012 Why so much hate towards YF-29? It's a beautiful, edgy, red and white bird with forward-swept wings Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadow Posted May 22, 2012 Share Posted May 22, 2012 YF-29 = YF-19 on crack. To me atleast. It's not bad but as pointed out, there is just too much on it. The additional engines on the wings kinda kill it for me. Not a fan of the 25 either but I do prefer its more contemporary design. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Hingtgen Posted May 22, 2012 Share Posted May 22, 2012 Somehow, the VF-27's wing-mounted engines seem to mesh/work so much better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reïvaj Posted May 22, 2012 Share Posted May 22, 2012 Somehow, the VF-27's wing-mounted engines seem to mesh/work so much better. That's true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mechapilot77 Posted May 22, 2012 Share Posted May 22, 2012 both great... prefer the vf-25 though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chronocidal Posted May 23, 2012 Share Posted May 23, 2012 I kind of prefer the VF-25 for looking more like an actual aircraft, instead of a hot rod toy advertisement for Bandai. The YF-29 kind of has just too much stuff stuck to it. I mean, it's pretty much what they said, a valk with a built-in tornado pack. It makes some sense, but it comes off as being just way too busy, then the super packs were even goofier looking, and didn't even resemble the VF-25 packs at all. On the other hand, I can't say I don't like the design. It just needs to ditch the screwball red and black tigerstripe paintscheme for something that looks like an actual prototype. I'm going to have fun painting some of the 1/100 snap kits in various low-vis and high-vis markings. Also, I can't fault Bandai for making the YF-29 toy.. I mean, it did wind up providing a lot of the R&D for the renewal VF-25 after all. I do wish I could get a 1/72 kit of it though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lonewolf Posted May 23, 2012 Share Posted May 23, 2012 VF-25F period! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charger69 Posted May 23, 2012 Share Posted May 23, 2012 VF-25F period! Dude! What kind of imagination you have?? A mecha on period? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoaRepublic Posted May 23, 2012 Share Posted May 23, 2012 I for one can't WAIT to get my 29 in. I've wanted one for a while now..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham Posted May 24, 2012 Share Posted May 24, 2012 As I've mentioned many times, I would have been a lot happier with the YF-29 toy, if the lower legs locked more securely in fighter mode and the shoulder armour didn't pop of at least twenty times during each transformation. But as for the mecha design, I do find it far too busy and spiky and don't really like Alto's paint scheme. In my opinion, the VF-25 is a far nicer looking VF and toy. Graham Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lolicon Posted May 24, 2012 Share Posted May 24, 2012 For the peeps eagerly awaiting the 29 reissue, looks like they're finally out! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chronocidal Posted May 24, 2012 Share Posted May 24, 2012 Anyone know roundabouts how long BBTS takes to get their stock in after releases happen? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mechaninac Posted May 24, 2012 Share Posted May 24, 2012 This means I should be getting a payment request from Otacute pretty soon... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tochiro Posted May 24, 2012 Share Posted May 24, 2012 Intrepid MW reporter SAVE is on the scene to confirm these YF-29 rumours and.... OH NOEZ!!! Yodobashi Camera Akihabara has postponed selling them until Saturday (T-T) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charger69 Posted May 24, 2012 Share Posted May 24, 2012 (edited) DON'T MISS IT MW'ers!! $227 New, sealed, box perfect http://www.anime-export.com/product/9684 Edited May 24, 2012 by charger69 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mechamaniac Posted May 24, 2012 Share Posted May 24, 2012 w00t! Just paid for shipping from AE! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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