raptormesh Posted October 25, 2014 Posted October 25, 2014 Holy crap! I've read about the Israeli F-15 that landed missing a wing, but I never saw a Tomcat flying with that kind of damage! image.jpg Chris Edit: apparently it too landed safely! The first photo depicts the F-14A BuNo 159832 side number 205 which on Jun. 29, 1991 experienced a mid-air collision over South Chinese Sea with another Tomcat, the BuNo 161597 side number 201. Both aircraft were from Black Lions of the VF-213, at the time embarked on the USS Abraham Lincoln (CVN-72) and while the 201 crashed into the sea where the crew was rescued, the 205 was able to land to Singapore after loosing part of its right wing. Reminds me of Shin's VF-0 at the end of Zero. Quote
Shadow Posted October 25, 2014 Posted October 25, 2014 More Hornet goodness. At 8:48, I'm assuming that's an Indian Su-30MKI. Quote
miles316 Posted October 30, 2014 Posted October 30, 2014 A airplane crashed the Wichita mid-continent (Eisenhower) 2 dead 5 missing several people taken to area hospitals hit Flight safety building. Quote
miles316 Posted October 30, 2014 Posted October 30, 2014 (edited) www.ksn.com A Beechcraft King air twin engine turboprop. Edited October 30, 2014 by miles316 Quote
David Hingtgen Posted November 5, 2014 Author Posted November 5, 2014 If you have any appreciation for commercial aviation, you know how amazing and cool this is: Quote
SchizophrenicMC Posted November 5, 2014 Posted November 5, 2014 It looks like any 737, I don't get it. Quote
Model-Junkie Posted November 5, 2014 Posted November 5, 2014 I believe it is because of the aircraft livery; the original Eastern Airlines went bust back in the early 90's. Cool to see they named the aircraft after Eastern's first CEO & World War 1 ace, Eddie Rickenbacker Quote
Froy Posted November 5, 2014 Posted November 5, 2014 (edited) Oops wrong thread* Edited November 5, 2014 by Froy Quote
David Hingtgen Posted November 5, 2014 Author Posted November 5, 2014 It looks like any 737, I don't get it. It's Eastern. That's akin to seeing a TWA or Pan Am plane flying around... Quote
SchizophrenicMC Posted November 5, 2014 Posted November 5, 2014 Except I've actually heard of TWA and PanAm. Quote
Gakken85 Posted November 6, 2014 Posted November 6, 2014 More Hornet goodness. At 8:48, I'm assuming that's an Indian Su-30MKI. That video is boss. Quote
dizman Posted November 6, 2014 Posted November 6, 2014 Except I've actually heard of TWA and PanAm. No biggie, Eastern was one of the first commercial airlines around. I heard someone had bought the rights, I assume that's the first of the reborn Eastern fleet since its dedicated to Rickenbacker. Quote
SchizophrenicMC Posted November 6, 2014 Posted November 6, 2014 So, what's next, the Braniff Revival? That is one ugly livery I never want to see again. Quote
frothymug Posted November 6, 2014 Posted November 6, 2014 I'll just leave these here... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Eastern_Air_Lines http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitsubishi_Regional_Jet Quote
raptormesh Posted November 6, 2014 Posted November 6, 2014 Livery is so-so but I do like the name. Quote
SchizophrenicMC Posted November 6, 2014 Posted November 6, 2014 While I know Mitsubishi Heavy Industry has numerous unconnected branches, somehow I still don't think I'd feel completely safe flying on a Mitsubishi Regional Jet, considering how unreliable the cars are, and the fact that they're responsible for the plane that lost WW2. Call it a stigma. Quote
Shadow Posted November 6, 2014 Posted November 6, 2014 While I know Mitsubishi Heavy Industry has numerous unconnected branches, somehow I still don't think I'd feel completely safe flying on a Mitsubishi Regional Jet, considering how unreliable the cars are, and the fact that they're responsible for the plane that lost WW2. Call it a stigma. They built one of the best World Rally cars in history which is enough points for me to fly on one of their jets. Quote
Knight26 Posted November 6, 2014 Posted November 6, 2014 737-MAX is shaping up to be pretty interesting, can't say much more now *Dangles tidbits in front of David Hingeton* I do get to to go on the factory floor soon... Quote
Nekko Basara Posted November 6, 2014 Posted November 6, 2014 While I know Mitsubishi Heavy Industry has numerous unconnected branches, somehow I still don't think I'd feel completely safe flying on a Mitsubishi Regional Jet, considering how unreliable the cars are, and the fact that they're responsible for the plane that lost WW2. Call it a stigma.When you say "the plane that lost WW2," are you referring to the Zero? Because it was one of the most advanced fighters in the world at the start of the war, with unrivalled range, good armament, and the speed and maneuverability that Japanese tactics of the time called for. It was exactly the machine the Japanese Navy wanted, and it enabled their conquest of such a large area of the Pacific - at least, as much as a fighter aircraft could be responsible for such a thing. It's true that it was outclassed by war's end, and should have been replaced more fully and sooner, but the same is true of the Bf-109, for example, and nobody would accuse that of losing the war for Germany. If the Zero "lost" WW2, it wasn't by being a bad plane - it was by being such a good plane that it emboldened Japan to start a fight it couldn't win. Quote
SchizophrenicMC Posted November 6, 2014 Posted November 6, 2014 They built one of the best World Rally cars in history which is enough points for me to fly on one of their jets. That's the kind of record I'd look to when selecting a fighter plane, maybe, but you don't ask a rally car to get you to work every day, or to drive exceedingly long distances. Reliability isn't a concern in a race car, like it is in a commercial airliner. Not to mention, Citroen has been winning WRC for the last decade or so. Quote
David Hingtgen Posted November 7, 2014 Author Posted November 7, 2014 737-MAX is shaping up to be pretty interesting, can't say much more now *Dangles tidbits in front of David Hingeton* I do get to to go on the factory floor soon... 737 is my all-time least fave jetliner, so not TOO jealous. (and Boeing's "new" split-scimitar winglet is just a rip-off of the MD-11's---MDC figured that design out years ago) Quote
Beltane70 Posted November 7, 2014 Posted November 7, 2014 I'd trust a Mitsubishi aircraft long before I'd trust a Mitsubishi motor vehicle. Plus, I've never heard of any incidents involving Tokyo Tower's elevator, which just happens to be built by Mitsubishi. Quote
electric indigo Posted November 7, 2014 Posted November 7, 2014 It's a shame that the Su-47 did not reach production. It would out-cool any other fighter. Quote
Knight26 Posted November 7, 2014 Posted November 7, 2014 737 is my all-time least fave jetliner, so not TOO jealous. (and Boeing's "new" split-scimitar winglet is just a rip-off of the MD-11's---MDC figured that design out years ago) Oh then you probably wouldn't get too excited about all the 777 and 787 stuff I'm working on either, speaking of which have a 2 hr meeting on 787 to run to... Quote
Prime Posted November 13, 2014 Posted November 13, 2014 (edited) It's a shame that the Su-47 did not reach production. It would out-cool any other fighter. Especially when the nation is Belka! Luv U AC! Edited November 13, 2014 by Prime Quote
SchizophrenicMC Posted November 13, 2014 Posted November 13, 2014 And so, with the words of Solo Wing, the curtain rises. Quote
David Hingtgen Posted November 15, 2014 Author Posted November 15, 2014 It's a shame that the Su-47 did not reach production. It would out-cool any other fighter. *except the YF-23. Quote
raptormesh Posted November 15, 2014 Posted November 15, 2014 (edited) *except the YF-23. Edited November 15, 2014 by raptormesh Quote
Shadow Posted November 15, 2014 Posted November 15, 2014 *except the YF-23. Used to have the PC game Jetfighter II with the YF-22 and YF-23 being flyable. The 23 pretty much smoked everything in that game in terms of speed, including the YF-22. Fun times. Quote
David Hingtgen Posted November 23, 2014 Author Posted November 23, 2014 You know, China totally did NOT copy the F-22. Not at all, nope. Completely their own, original, unique design. Quote
wmkjr Posted November 23, 2014 Posted November 23, 2014 (edited) I wonder what they would say if it was designated J-22 or J-35 just to piss people off. Is that a Chinese raptor on the tailfin? Nevermind, it's called a gyrfalcon. Edited November 23, 2014 by wmkjr Quote
F-ZeroOne Posted November 23, 2014 Posted November 23, 2014 Technically, a gyrfalcon is a raptor... Quote
Knight26 Posted November 24, 2014 Posted November 24, 2014 The Chinese have been hacking every open network for years stealing all the military tech designs and secrets they can get their hands on. They are not even subtle about it. Quote
wmkjr Posted November 24, 2014 Posted November 24, 2014 (edited) Technically, a gyrfalcon is a raptor... Heh. A western millitary enthusiast's nod that it is in no way a F-22/F-35 inspired design lol... "Meanwhile, PLA Navy Rear Admiral Zhang Zhaozhong said in a speech in Xiamen on Nov. 17 that China's reverse engineering still has its limitations, and that it will take the country another few years to achieve a breakthrough in developing its own engines." Yup, not too subtle. Edited November 24, 2014 by wmkjr Quote
Knight26 Posted November 24, 2014 Posted November 24, 2014 The primary target of most Chinese hacking attempts isn't even the most classified stuff, which is kept on closed networks, but the research and early design drafts, which while classified/secret and even sometime Top Secret are more accessible on private company and military networks. What they are stealing is the research data that has allowed them to jump ahead to making two fifth gen fighters in a relatively short time. Everything of their's has been reverse engineered, or bought and built under license. Now, that is not to say that they have not made some innovative leaps and strides, but they have done so by stealing the research from other nations, the US, Russia, Japan, etc... Even the new model J-10B incorporates a lot of improvements seen elsewhere on other aircraft; new inlet shape, sensors, IRST, AESA radar, etc... They are doing some masterful engineering work, even on the J-20 and J-31 but when you get down to the brass tacks they are built on the same research that brought us the F-22, F-35, Pak-Fa, etc... They have just put their own hand into the design to come up with aircraft that while similar are very different. Back in the day, people said russian designs were just copies of American. That came mostly out of the Tu-4, which was a shameless copy of the B-29. What you really saw between the two superpowers was an arms race where one would come up with a design and the other would come up with a matching design. Or where one nation found out what the other was developing and came up with what they thought the best counter would be. The F-15 was originally designed to engage the MiG-25 before we found out that the MiG-25 was a strict interceptor, designed primarily to take down the SR-71, and not a dogfighter. But the research and design that the two nations did come up with aircraft, that while similar in design, were vastly different answers to the same role: F-16 & F/A-18 Vs the MiG-29 & Su-27. You could throw the F-14 and F-16 into that mix as well, since technically the Su-27 is more in their weight class. The thing is that while the designs share some similarities there is nothing about them that blatantly screams, we stole this design from the other. As opposed to the J series aircraft where the design theft is super obvious. J-2: MiG-15s built for China J-5: License built MiG-17s J-6: License built MiG-19s J-7: License built MiG-21s J-8: Started as J-7s modified with twin engines, later incorporated a front end derived directly from the MiG-23 J-11: License built Su-27s J-15: Modified J-11s reverse engineered from stolen Su-27K/Su-33 data. J-10A/B: Reverse engineered IAI-Lavi, which they bought, but still a reverse engineered design J-20: Developed indigenously from stolen F-22 and F-35 data, some design ingenuity of their own J-31: Developed indigenously from stolen F-22 and F-35 data, some design ingenuity of their own, since they did not have to compromise the design for VTOL and other considerations And that;s just the fighters... Quote
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