Aircraft Super Thread Mk.VII

[Ghost Train]

http://news.yahoo.co...-083334869.html

China is having fun with its New Carrier and J-15 Fighters.

Why that's a nicely colored SU-33 you have there !

[505thAirborne]

Why that's a nicely colored SU-33 you have there !

My was my thought was J-15's....Hmmm, you mean imitation SU's!

[Knight26]

Sukhoi 33 accept no substitutes, or Chinese bootlegs.

[David Hingtgen]

Russian plane landing on a Russian carrier---China should be so proud. (that's the Varyag with new paint etc)

Yes, this is the result of the infamous "Chinese travel agency bought the hulk to turn it into a floating casino" incident. Maybe next a "Chinese toy company" will try to buy an F-117 hulk for "making scale models"....

[Shadow]

Maybe they'll buy a Typhoon SSBN next for the purpose of servicing it into an underwater oceanliner with an observation deck and miniature water park.

[D.D. Ivanov]

Maybe they'll buy a Typhoon SSBN next for the purpose of servicing it into an underwater oceanliner with an observation deck and miniature water park.

Complete with new missile launch tubes for "emergency evacuation in missile-shaped flotation devices".

[David Hingtgen]

And upgraded sonar for tracking marine life so the "tourists" can get a heads-up on where to look...

[electric indigo]

Japan vs. the J-20

[Shadow]

No vertical stabilizer? Interesting.

[Knight26]

The E is probably a big wing FB-22ish bomber variant

[GU-11]

Japan doesn't like China very much, does it?

Don't bother, I'll do it myself: "And the award for understatement of the year goes to..."

Seriously, though, why do all stealth jets tend to have the same basic design as the F-22? I would have mistaken the F-3 for a Raptor if it hadn't been for the rising sun emblem on it.

BTW, if it's going to take them up to 2033 to get these made, I think the rest of the world would have moved onto far more advanced aircraft than passive stealth designs by then.

Edited December 5, 2012 by GU-11

[renegadeleader1]

Japan doesn't like China very much, does it?

Seriously, though, why do all stealth jets tend to have the same basic design as the F-22? I would have mistaken the F-3 for a Raptor if it hadn't been for the rising sun emblem on it.

1.No they don't, and the feeling is more than mutual yet they still rely on each other for business and trade.

2.They all follow the same design due to that shape offering the most reduced radar cross section.

[David Hingtgen]

2.They all follow the same design due to that shape offering the most reduced radar cross section.

I would say a good chunk of it is due to not actually being able to develop a new shape independently. YF-23 is stealthier, but no one seems to copy it that closely...

[GU-11]

1.No they don't, and the feeling is more than mutual yet they still rely on each other for business and trade.

The credit for all this animosity goes to the wonderfully eloquent politicians on both sides, the esteemed Former-Mayor Ishihara in particular.

I would say a good chunk of it is due to not actually being able to develop a new shape independently. YF-23 is stealthier, but no one seems to copy it that closely...

I googled a few articles that say Lockheed Martin's servers were hacked shortly before China and Russia started unveiling their PAK-FA and J-20 prototypes, and some guy from Northrop Grumman sold some basic designs to the Chinese.

Not much news on this so-called F-3 the Japanese are building, though. Looks like a 90% Raptor KO with an funny up-tilted nose.

Never mind. Just did some further googling and realized this was just some CGI fiction cooked up by some right-wing nutjob otaku.

Edited December 6, 2012 by GU-11

[Chronocidal]

Cue "Information High."

_{Looks like they're taking her for a spin on the Truman soon. Just hope they avoid any heavy thunderstorms.}

_{http://www.navair.na...wsStory&id=5199}

Edited December 14, 2012 by Chronocidal

[anime52k8]

Cue "Information High."

_{http://www.navair.na...wsStory&id=5199}

creepy, yet awesome.

Edited December 14, 2012 by anime52k8

[Shadow]

God, I'm imagining 10-15 of those flying together.

Edited December 14, 2012 by Shadow

[Retracting Head Ter Ter]

I would say a good chunk of it is due to not actually being able to develop a new shape independently. YF-23 is stealthier, but no one seems to copy it that closely...

I kind of think of it like how the early jets all seemed to resemble the Ta-183. With the tech of the time, that was just the most 'suitable shape'.

[mechaninac]

Copying is also easier, faster, less risky, and more cost effective than investing in all the necessary research and development to come up with something truly original.

Edited December 16, 2012 by mechaninac

[Shadow]

A nice look at the redone cockpits on the F-15s in Flaming Cliffs 3.

[renegadeleader1]

Copying is also easier, faster, less risky, and more cost effective than investing in all the necessary research and development to come up with something truly original.

So what's keeping companies from taking say an F-16 design giving it updated and modern avionics, and using this new building material that makes planes so stealthy? For that matter why not a mig 17?

[Uxi]

It's not just the materials, it's also the shape of the airframe, the intakes and exhausts, canopies. The saw-tooth edges around the canopy, landing gear and weapon bay doors, covers for external stores (if any). Etc etc.

[mechaninac]

Uxi is absolutely right. The materials are but one facet of what makes an airframe stealthy, and avionics plays a minimal role, if at all. To use the F-16 example, you could substitute the whole skin of the fighter with RAM and the thing would still light up an enemy's radar like a beacon: non-alligned and/or angled surfaces, huge single vertical stabilizer, wing had points and sidewinder launch rails at the tips, a gaping maw of a belly air intake with direct line of sight to the compressor blades, etc., etc.; and the Mig 17 would be an even more impractical stealth conversion candidate... at least the F-16 has a blended wing-to-fuselage airframe design.

[David Hingtgen]

The Super Hornet is a good example of what can be done to "stealthify" an existing airframe. Really, it's about the only serious attempt I know of.

[Bowen]

The Super Hornet is a good example of what can be done to "stealthify" an existing airframe. Really, it's about the only serious attempt I know of.

Speaking of 'stealthification', what's the status on the Silent Eagle project

Also, any new info at all about those supposed LO Black Hawks used in the Bin Laden raid?

[electric indigo]

What about the Eagle Plus?

[David Hingtgen]

Speaking of 'stealthification', what's the status on the Silent Eagle project

No orders or even serious inquiries AFAIK. And the angled tailfins were dropped, so a production Silent Eagle will look very much like an F-15E.

[Vifam7]

No orders or even serious inquiries AFAIK. And the angled tailfins were dropped, so a production Silent Eagle will look very much like an F-15E.

I thought the whole Silent Eagle project including the angled tailfins was put on the shelf until Boeing found a buyer who was willing to fund most of the development costs? In other words, there's no Silent Eagle production or anything until somebody says they will pay for the development costs.

Edited December 20, 2012 by Vifam7

[David Hingtgen]

How is "put on the shelf" that different from "no orders or inquiries?"

[Vifam7]

How is "put on the shelf" that different from "no orders or inquiries?"

Having reread my line and your line, you're right. >_<

[Ghost Train]

LOL ... original thread here, with explanations:

http://www.sinodefenceforum.com/air-force/j-20-new-generation-fighter-iii-209-5600.html

Though some of these are fairly self explanatory.

[VF5SS]

What about the Eagle Plus?

The fins aren't parallel. 2/10.

[David Hingtgen]

Not often you get real footage of a helicopter blowing apart in mid-air: http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=deb_1356547345

Ace Combat games, take note.

[GU-11]

LOL ... original thread here, with explanations:

http://www.sinodefen...i-209-5600.html

Though some of these are fairly self explanatory.

LOL! I like how the Russians are the only ones not impressed with the F-22 like all the other countries. Cowboy!

[mechaninac]

Not often you get real footage of a helicopter blowing apart in mid-air: http://www.liveleak....=deb_1356547345

Ace Combat games, take note.

Cool video, impressive fireball... but the knuckle draggers repeatedly yelling 'Allahu Akbar' just creep me out.