electric indigo Posted February 26, 2017 Share Posted February 26, 2017 That's what you get for neglecting stealth... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vifam7 Posted February 26, 2017 Share Posted February 26, 2017 18 hours ago, sketchley said: I think that's only part of it. Some of the more recent fighters have extremely high manoeuvrability (calling it superior may be a bit of a stretch), and the Soviets/Russian designs have always had a higher level of ruggedness to them (E.g.: able to takeoff or land in a farmers field). So, they have quality, it's just measured on a different scale. Funny thing is, despite being less sophisticated, Soviet/Russian aircraft have never been known for reliability (particularly the engines). Just look at the troubles that India had with their MiG-29Ks and Su-30MKIs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spanner Posted February 26, 2017 Share Posted February 26, 2017 (edited) I think the strengths in the Soviet / Russian fighters was their fuselage durability over anything else. They could keep flying for years with less worry about fatigue issues. I remember reading what a pilot said.. the structural maintenance was so minimal, all you did was fill and fly and repeat. Maybe in the more modern era with more sophisticated systems they became more prone to problems as they were still learning.. but that is a guess. Edited February 26, 2017 by spanner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kalvasflam Posted February 26, 2017 Share Posted February 26, 2017 There is a price to pay for sophistication. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sildani Posted February 26, 2017 Share Posted February 26, 2017 And another price to pay for the lack of sophistication. Every aircraft is a compromise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadow Posted March 6, 2017 Share Posted March 6, 2017 Shot of the F-35B firing it's gunpod for the first time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dizman Posted March 6, 2017 Share Posted March 6, 2017 Pretty neat, I guess the dumb question would be if it can be fired while hovering? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GMK Posted March 6, 2017 Share Posted March 6, 2017 1 hour ago, dizman said: Pretty neat, I guess the dumb question would be if it can be fired while hovering? Not without shooting off the nose landing gear.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dizman Posted March 6, 2017 Share Posted March 6, 2017 Bah who needs to land, it's the open landing gear doors that are important. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
electric indigo Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 10 hours ago, GMK said: Not without shooting off the nose landing gear.... Once this little design flaw is corrected, it can start to replace the aging fleet of AH-64s... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadow Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 5 hours ago, electric indigo said: Once this little design flaw is corrected, it can start to replace the aging fleet of AH-64s... Trying to imagine an F-35 carrying racks of Hellfire or Brimstone AGMs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F-ZeroOne Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 The latter is probably reasonably likely once it gets into RAF/Fleet Air Arm service, providing as ever with us we can find the required spare change down the back of the sofa [1]... [1] Pardon me, I mean couch... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vifam7 Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 11 hours ago, electric indigo said: Once this little design flaw is corrected, it can start to replace the aging fleet of AH-64s... Aging? They recently purchased a bunch of new build Apache Guardians (AH-64E models) didn't they? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadow Posted March 8, 2017 Share Posted March 8, 2017 17 hours ago, Vifam7 said: Aging? They recently purchased a bunch of new build Apache Guardians (AH-64E models) didn't they? I think he was being sarcastic. Interesting article talking about the likelihood that Israel has already used its F-35s in combat. http://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/8146/has-israel-actually-sent-the-f-35-into-combat-already Buzzing the Syrian presidential palace while knocking out an S-300 battery seems out there but destroying a warehouse housing SA-22s seems much more plausible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valkyrie Hunter D Posted March 9, 2017 Share Posted March 9, 2017 Just wanted to share this interesting read on why a USN F-16 did not happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Hingtgen Posted March 9, 2017 Author Share Posted March 9, 2017 On March 7, 2017 at 9:20 AM, Shadow said: Trying to imagine an F-35 carrying racks of Hellfire or Brimstone AGMs. I've always thought a Tornado with a zillion Brimstones looked really neat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
electric indigo Posted March 9, 2017 Share Posted March 9, 2017 Works on Harriers, too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Hingtgen Posted March 11, 2017 Author Share Posted March 11, 2017 I think Graham is a fan of the EE Lightning, so here's a neat pic of one: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadow Posted March 13, 2017 Share Posted March 13, 2017 Another nice interceptor from that era. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devil 505 Posted March 13, 2017 Share Posted March 13, 2017 21 minutes ago, Shadow said: Another nice interceptor from that era. I didn't realize Sweden had variable fighters of their own. /s Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vifam7 Posted March 13, 2017 Share Posted March 13, 2017 5 hours ago, Devil 505 said: I didn't realize Sweden had variable fighters of their own. /s They've always had them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kalvasflam Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 The Harrier with Brimestone pictures reminds me of the following pictures. I was at Moffett back in 1999 when they had an air show there, and got to talk to a couple of F-18 pilots, and asked them about the ability of the F-18s to take 10 AMRRAMs, the guy laughed and told me that if they did that, the existing inventory of AMRAAMs would probably fit less than a squadron of Hornets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Hingtgen Posted March 14, 2017 Author Share Posted March 14, 2017 You should be able to put 12 on a Super Hornet, but I couldn't find any pics showing it's been done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kalvasflam Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 (edited) you mean onto the wing tips? Probably. I also remember the naval aviator I was chatting with telling me that with this kind of a load, they aren't going to stay in the air for very long if they take off from a carrier. It would be pretty much, take off, get up to altitude, get gas, then mission. I think back then, they were putting these on -18C and -18Ds, so the super hornets might be able to carry the same load, and actually do missions after getting off the deck. By the late 90s, the Soviet threat was pretty much gone, and with it, the need for Tomcats to intercept Backfires coming in to blow up the carriers, but just in case, they showcased the Hornet as being able to take the place of the F-14s. But then, this is a good argument for the F-35 right? See, F-35 needs a missile truck, here comes the Superhornets. Glorified missile trucks. Edited March 14, 2017 by kalvasflam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 On 2/27/2017 at 0:04 AM, electric indigo said: That's what you get for neglecting stealth... Was that pic taken by a traffic camera? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 On 3/12/2017 at 0:08 AM, David Hingtgen said: I think Graham is a fan of the EE Lightning, so here's a neat pic of one: Yep I love the EE Lightning, but your pic is not showing up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadow Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 (edited) I remember seeing those Hornet/AMRAAM pics way back. It makes me wonder if the under mounts on the F-14 could have been configured to carry dual-AIM-120s, allowing it to carry 8 underneath. Another fun what-if scenario had the F-14D been given the software upgrade to carry AMRAAMs. 2x Phoenix's, 2x AIM-9s and 8x AIM-120B or Cs would have been a formidable A-A loadout. Edited March 14, 2017 by Shadow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F-ZeroOne Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 I'm currently reading a book about the naval battles at Guadalcanal, and in one of the accounts it had this cool story that I hadn't heard before; apparently a Wildcat trying to intercept a "Betty" bomber at low altitude ran out of ammunition, so the pilot of the Wildcat used a bit of lateral thinking, lowered his landing gear, and literally bounced the bomber into the sea! I don't know how accurate this account is, a quick search doesn't seem to bring up any other references but if true its got to be one of the more unusual aircraft kills of all time... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Hingtgen Posted March 17, 2017 Author Share Posted March 17, 2017 On 3/14/2017 at 2:30 AM, Graham said: Yep I love the EE Lightning, but your pic is not showing up Yeah, it seemed to last about 36 hours before it went down. Let's try another source: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sildani Posted March 17, 2017 Share Posted March 17, 2017 Let's hear it for ejection seats! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spanner Posted March 17, 2017 Share Posted March 17, 2017 Yes indeed! 54 minutes ago, Sildani said: Let's hear it for ejection seats! But poor Lightning.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kalvasflam Posted March 22, 2017 Share Posted March 22, 2017 I'm going to do a minor rant here, saw the following article in Flight global, the planners at the USAF must have completely lost their minds. Letting F-16s take place of F-15s is just pure stupidity. https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/usaf-calls-plans-to-retire-f-15s-pre-decisional-435480/ It's really odd how the USAF is managing to put all of its air assets into just the F-35 basket. If someone took a look at the litany of military aircraft lines shut down since the 90s; it is no wonder America's manufacturing capacity is going to heck. Let's see: - No more A-10 (Company bought) - No more F-14 (Company bought) - No more B-2 (Company have not built new aircraft for years) - No more B-1 (Company bought) - No more F-117 (Company focused on F-35) - No more F-22 (Company focused on F-35) - Nearly end of the line F-18 - Nearly end of the line F-15 - Nearly end of the line F-16 It's kind of crazy. But hey, don't worry, we have a magical cure all bullet called the F-35. end of rant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vifam7 Posted March 23, 2017 Share Posted March 23, 2017 Unfortunately, when there's less money to go around, things are going to be dropped. Frankly, the services are lucky they're actually going to get the F-35 (at least for now). Had the F-35 been cancelled like some wanted, the situation would be even worse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Hingtgen Posted March 23, 2017 Author Share Posted March 23, 2017 If the F-35 had been cancelled, we could have afforded more F-22's or a butt-load of Super Hornets... Or, just replace all the Block 30 F-16's with Block 60's... Or even better---replace the F-15E with F-16XL's... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vifam7 Posted March 23, 2017 Share Posted March 23, 2017 1 hour ago, David Hingtgen said: If the F-35 had been cancelled, we could have afforded more F-22's or a butt-load of Super Hornets... Or, just replace all the Block 30 F-16's with Block 60's... Or even better---replace the F-15E with F-16XL's... More F-22s? That would've been nice. Unfortunately it's own high cost already had the bean-counters on its 6 even before the difficulties with the F-35. I approve of replacing the F-15E with F-16XLs. Better yet, navalize the F-16XL and replace the aerodynamically flawed Super Hornets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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