Xigfrid Posted March 15, 2014 Posted March 15, 2014 The only thing I can think missing on the renewal 27 compared to the 25 v2 is the crotch for the gun attachment. Do you see anything else? Quote
megaprime Posted March 15, 2014 Posted March 15, 2014 The 27 with super parts was a small update of the initial mold with all the improvements from the 25 renewal (v2). But the first 27 was already a great toy. The incoming 25F should be exactly the same mold as the renewal V2. Thus increasing the model availability and decreasing the price tag! I don't know what could be really an interesting improvement to have make a V3 but I wouldn't mind buy re-renewal with a better ankle mechanism, better landing gears and sleeker super parts! The 27 with super parts is the one that I bought a few days ago from NY so that's even better. The thing is that the 27 didn't have all of the improvements of the 25. That's one of the reasons why I skipped it. I normally transform the valks into batroid mode and display them behind glass so any improvements that enhance playability dont affect me much really. Quote
mechaninac Posted March 15, 2014 Posted March 15, 2014 (edited) That's just the thing, isn't it? The VF-27 with Super Parts was not a renewal, just an improved version of the original release -- a version 1.5, if you will; while a definite step above its VF-25 V1 counterpart/predecessor, it falls short of the engineering and execution of the YF-29 and VF-25 Renewals that followed it. The Super Parts equipped version released recently does benefit from some inherited retrofitted engineering from the Renewal 25s (forward thrusting crotch/hip reengineering and improved standing height/stance in Battroid come to mind), but is severely limited in its excellence by its outdated design; it's still saddled with inferior shoulder and landing gear, specially front, designs (there may be other engineering related things too), as well as lacking in surface details such as panel lines that are festooned, model-like, on the YF-29s, Renewal VF-25s, and VF-171s. Edited March 15, 2014 by mechaninac Quote
Guyffon Posted March 16, 2014 Posted March 16, 2014 On the note about panel lining for the VF -27, I always thought that the VF-27 was more organicin design thus the lack of panel lines, was this true in the lineart too? Quote
mechaninac Posted March 16, 2014 Posted March 16, 2014 (edited) I've never seen official line art for the VF-27, so I'm just going off personal preference, and conjecture based on its VF-25 contemporary. Given that both the VF-25 and VF-27 designs, within the Frontier Universe, are derived from the YF-24 test-bed, should they not have similar space-frame construction? As far as the toys, I never owned a VF-25 V1, but how does it compare, surface detail wise, to that found on the VF-27 DX, and the later Renewal? Edited March 16, 2014 by mechaninac Quote
XFJ-01A Posted March 16, 2014 Posted March 16, 2014 I've never seen official line art for the VF-27, so I'm just going off personal preference, and conjecture based on its VF-25 contemporary. Given that both the VF-25 and VF-27 designs, within the Frontier Universe, are derived from the YF-24 test-bed, should they not have similar space-frame construction? As far as the toys, I never owned a VF-25 V1, but how does it compare, surface detail wise, to that found on the VF-27 DX, and the later Renewal? Having a V1 VF-25G, I can report that the surface detail on the V1s are very rudimentary compared to its revival cousins. Whereas the renewals have the surface detail akin to the Plamo, the V1s have surface detail akin to a toy. Quote
anime52k8 Posted March 16, 2014 Posted March 16, 2014 On the note about panel lining for the VF -27, I always thought that the VF-27 was more organicin design thus the lack of panel lines, was this true in the lineart too? the VF-27 never had proper lineart. All we've seen of it is CG renders with simplified surface detail. The original DX-25 and DX-27 toys matched these renders. Now the VF-25 has a a bunch of schematic drawings and detail lineart that show extra detail that's not present on the show CG. The 1/72 model kits and the renewal toys both included this extra surface detail from the supplemental lineart. Now even though we don't have the same detailed lineart for the VF-27, but we do have the 1/72 VF27 kit which had a lot of added surface detail compared to the DX. Personally I wanted to see that level of detail translated to a renewal VF27 so that it would match the renewal 25s. Quote
sreichma Posted March 17, 2014 Posted March 17, 2014 (edited) The only thing I can think missing on the renewal 27 compared to the 25 v2 is the crotch for the gun attachment. Do you see anything else? Yes, there are a two additional things I can think of that the reissue 27 does not have that the 25 renewal has: ( I recommend we move this to the 27 forum if it continues) 1. The 27 can not bring its arm straight out to the side from the shoulder like the 25. (detailed in anymoon's "half step back" comment) 2. The 27 can not fit the articulated hands into figher mode seamless like the 25 which is why Bandai packaged the reissue of the 27 with the knive hands. Although you can fit the articulated ones in there, they look jammed up. Back to the 25's, based on the current trend, I think Bandai will likely issue a rainbow colored VF-25, a VF-25 with a unicorn horn on the nose, a Luca custom YF-29 without a radar dish, a Koenig Monster with tires instead of legs, and a Macross Quarter that is solid Yellow before we will get the reissue of the 25-S Ozma renewal. Edited March 17, 2014 by sreichma Quote
Sandman Posted March 17, 2014 Posted March 17, 2014 You know i was just thinking after Ozma's Bandai has to be done with the yf-29. But your idea for a Luca\radome version makes a lot sense. Damn it! Another release to delay a vf-25s reissue!! Quote
Mommar Posted March 17, 2014 Posted March 17, 2014 You know i was just thinking after Ozma's Bandai has to be done with the yf-29. But your idea for a Luca\radome version makes a lot sense. Damn it! Another release to delay a vf-25s reissue!! There is still the Percival B model 29 as well. Quote
Scream Man Posted March 18, 2014 Posted March 18, 2014 ANOTHER VF-25F? This is getting a little silly. C'Mon bandai, Ozmas plane is just as well known, let's see that one again! Quote
Loop Posted March 18, 2014 Posted March 18, 2014 I would take a YF-29B Percival myself. I need more dark valks in my life. Quote
Mommar Posted March 18, 2014 Posted March 18, 2014 Now that I think about it isn't the 29B from that other Macross game and not a Macross 30 Valk? Just like the Ozma one? If that's true we could be in for a Klan 25 as well. Quote
Chronocidal Posted March 18, 2014 Posted March 18, 2014 Now that I think about it isn't the 29B from that other Macross game and not a Macross 30 Valk? Just like the Ozma one? If that's true we could be in for a Klan 25 as well. THAT I would be all over. That custom red 1/72 VF-25S was absolutely gorgeous. Quote
skullmilitia Posted March 18, 2014 Posted March 18, 2014 Stop giving them ideas to release before YF-30's and bigger Koenigs! Quote
3D-Brainx Posted March 18, 2014 Posted March 18, 2014 THAT I would be all over. That custom red 1/72 VF-25S was absolutely gorgeous. Never seen that. Do you have a picture at hand? I can`t find any with google Quote
Mommar Posted March 18, 2014 Posted March 18, 2014 I'd definitely buy a Klan red like that custom, if only to be able to pose it next to my 25G and get that Max/Milia look. Quote
Reïvaj Posted March 18, 2014 Posted March 18, 2014 That'd be kind of cool, but I'd really prefer a red Queadluun-Rhea... Quote
David Hingtgen Posted March 19, 2014 Posted March 19, 2014 Hmmn, maybe I'll write to HLJ, try to get a replacement ventral fin for my Alto, if it's being re-released again. (yes, I still need one, my sig is unchanged on purpose all this time) Quote
Mommar Posted March 20, 2014 Posted March 20, 2014 That'd be kind of cool, but I'd really prefer a red Queadluun-Rhea... That would be cool too but it we're going by what can be reused over and over it's 25's. Quote
Sildani Posted March 20, 2014 Posted March 20, 2014 I might as well ask here: did anyone (Bandai or a 3rd party) ever make any underwing stores for this? I'm receiving my first ever Messiah today (25A) and was wondering if those holes underwing are ever used. If not, what might be a decent alternative? Thanks! Quote
skullmilitia Posted March 20, 2014 Posted March 20, 2014 None of the DX's so far have wing hard points. Quote
Sildani Posted March 20, 2014 Posted March 20, 2014 Yes, I can see that now. Too shallow. Nuts. Still, with magnets and a willingness to go beyond "stock"... Were any Macross weapons kits for this scale made? Quote
mechaninac Posted March 20, 2014 Posted March 20, 2014 (edited) In 1/60, there are the under-wing ordnance that came with the old Yamato VF-0s and SV-51s, the VF-1s v.1s and v.2s, the upcoming YF-19 by Arcadia, and Bandai's own Armor Packs for the VF-171s... none of them will work with the VF-25s without major surgery to the wings or some kluge job that clips onto the wings to allow for weapons mounting, not unlike what Bandai did with the Gallia 4 Fold Set for the v.1 VF-25G. To my knowledge, there are no 3rd party, aftermarket, ordnance kits available for any 1/60 Macross toy. Edited March 20, 2014 by mechaninac Quote
Swoosh Posted March 21, 2014 Posted March 21, 2014 Or try Shapeway, there are a few members (e.g. Kurisama, EXO) from this forum provide customize part for 1/60 toys. Quote
Valkyrie Magnus Posted March 21, 2014 Posted March 21, 2014 Do you guys think the armored parts set for the VF-25F and S will be reissued as well, Or am I just going to have to settle for super parts? Quote
joppewo Posted March 21, 2014 Posted March 21, 2014 To my knowledge, Bandai has never re-issued Tamashii web exclusives. But who knows, maybe they'll run out of re-colours to do one day and decide to release bundles instead Quote
3D-Brainx Posted March 21, 2014 Posted March 21, 2014 VF-25s renewall + super parts + armored parts combo available a anime export http://www.anime-export.com/product/18788 650+ though Quote
Valkyrie Magnus Posted March 21, 2014 Posted March 21, 2014 To my knowledge, Bandai has never re-issued Tamashii web exclusives. But who knows, maybe they'll run out of re-colours to do one day and decide to release bundles instead I can always hope VF-25s renewall + super parts + armored parts combo available a anime export http://www.anime-export.com/product/18788 650+ though Wow! pricey! I guess. I can hope for a bundle down the road. Quote
Saburo Posted March 21, 2014 Posted March 21, 2014 VF-25s renewall + super parts + armored parts combo available a anime export http://www.anime-export.com/product/18788 650+ though Eeesh! Thats still a still a deal when you compare it to the outrageous eBay pricing. Come one reissues! Quote
sreichma Posted March 22, 2014 Posted March 22, 2014 The Alto 25F Armor is almost impossible to find, you can find and grab Ozma's armor very easily for aroun 100-150. Alto though, forget about it. Quote
Loop Posted March 22, 2014 Posted March 22, 2014 (edited) Bandai does not do reissues of Tamashii web exclusives as far as I know. The VF-25F Armor parts are very hard to find, but I got you covered Magnus! Edited March 22, 2014 by Loop Quote
Valkyrie Magnus Posted March 22, 2014 Posted March 22, 2014 Thanks Loop! Finally my Alto will be armored! Quote
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