VF-15 Banshee Posted January 24, 2012 Author Posted January 24, 2012 Considering how awesome Variable Fighters are, it should naturally follow that wherever they go, many awesome 'splosions should follow. Quote
Shaorin Posted January 24, 2012 Posted January 24, 2012 (edited) I recently watched that movie. Fundamentally, it's a Trek movie with a decent plot. And watching Christopher "Doc Brown" Lloyd's scenery chewing is a treat. That said, I kept being pulled out of the movie by the dialogue. The captain of the science ship? Sounds like a retard. Starfleet security referring to Bones as "in the funny farm"? Terrible. Truly terrible writing. Ah well... the director makes up for it with the yes-no conversation in ST IV. actually, as of late, i've been working on a long planned effort on purchasing and building up a 2nd copy of the old, long OOP 1994 1/1000 ERTL U.S.S. EXCELSIOR model kit, after first attempting one back in the early 1990's and doing a TERRIBLE job on it, and i've been going back to the third movie for reference material, and it has just hit me too just how BAD the film's scripting actually is. take, for instance, the EXCELSIOR herself; it stands to reason, even by early 1980's thinking, that space-fairing vehicles as sophisticated as ST's Starships are, even, nay, ESPECIALLY untried, experimental ones such as the flagship of the EXCELSIOR class, would have more than sufficient checks and fail-safes against all number of foreseeable issues, including the sabotage induced by Scotty in the film. further, the whole sequence of the EXCELSIOR's TRANSWARP faltering out, while viscerally exciting and great for "Laffs" and all that great stuff, has to be, IMHO, one of THE great groners in all of the TREK saga. i mean, after all, this IS far into the distant future, is it not? with technology so far advanced that it might seem magical to anyone from the late 20th century to present day, no? well then, is the audience to assume that this cutting edge experimental spaceship of the far future does not have even so much as a halfway sophisicated computer system that would clearly notify the crew that the TRANSWARP drive system is malfunctional and positively not in any operational condition BEFORE the crew attempts to crank it up?!? like i said, great for Laughs, BAD for the cerebrum. one more little anecdote that sticks in my craw; one would only natually assume that the TRANSWARP system would have been long since modeled and simulated to death by computer before a prototype testbed tech demonstrator was made, and yet TREK fans were simply left with the basic canon explanation that TRANSWARP was eventually proven to be a faulty technology. yes, people, yet one more little piddly detail of the ST univers alone that gets overly anal nerds like me all in bind, god help us all... Edited January 24, 2012 by Shaorin Quote
eugimon Posted January 24, 2012 Posted January 24, 2012 I had shabu shabu for the chinese new years dinner. I know, I know, I'm not even chinese but my wife is so we still celebrate it. Quote
leading edge Posted January 25, 2012 Posted January 25, 2012 Say what did everyone think of the Valkyries in this series I liked them but it always seemed like it takes a backseat to other Kawamori style VF's I thought they seemed ok. Quote
EXO Posted January 25, 2012 Posted January 25, 2012 Because they're not canon, plus how popular would they be if they were marketed? But if they made a toy of the VF2SS, I'd get it! Quote
leading edge Posted January 25, 2012 Posted January 25, 2012 Yeah because if it is well done enough sure. I bet if we take a poll there would be just enough for maybe a limited release on a specialty resin kit. Quote
Reïvaj Posted January 25, 2012 Posted January 25, 2012 Because they're not canon, plus how popular would they be if they were marketed? But if they made a toy of the VF2SS, I'd get it! Yeah, me too, why not? They'd be small though... Quote
azrael Posted January 25, 2012 Posted January 25, 2012 Yeah because if it is well done enough sure. I bet if we take a poll there would be just enough for maybe a limited release on a specialty resin kit. There was a resin kit from B-Club. Several kits. Any poll would only reflect the people who visit this site, not fandom in Japan. Quote
leading edge Posted January 25, 2012 Posted January 25, 2012 (edited) Yeah but think of the possibilities of a well done valkyrie II like a detailed cockpit! Fully Transformable couldn't hurt Asthetically it looks good Let's not forget the various add ons Dude it certainly has possibilities I mean i have to admit until i thought about it yeah looks good thanks for pics macross mecha manual. yeah! Edited January 25, 2012 by leading edge Quote
EXO Posted January 25, 2012 Posted January 25, 2012 I laugh at the polls on the toy section... woohoo! 30 ppl vs 2 want it made! Get them molds ready! Quote
sketchley Posted January 25, 2012 Posted January 25, 2012 Yeah but think of the possibilities of a well done valkyrie II So... why not kit bash the model kit from way back when and smooth out the inconsistencies? It's not a bad kit, BTW, aside from some issues with how they did the shoulder joints. Quote
Mommar Posted January 25, 2012 Posted January 25, 2012 (edited) actually, as of late, i've been working on a long planned effort on purchasing and building up a 2nd copy of the old, long OOP 1994 1/1000 ERTL U.S.S. EXCELSIOR model kit, after first attempting one back in the early 1990's and doing a TERRIBLE job on it, and i've been going back to the third movie for reference material, and it has just hit me too just how BAD the film's scripting actually is. take, for instance, the EXCELSIOR herself; it stands to reason, even by early 1980's thinking, that space-fairing vehicles as sophisticated as ST's Starships are, even, nay, ESPECIALLY untried, experimental ones such as the flagship of the EXCELSIOR class, would have more than sufficient checks and fail-safes against all number of foreseeable issues, including the sabotage induced by Scotty in the film. further, the whole sequence of the EXCELSIOR's TRANSWARP faltering out, while viscerally exciting and great for "Laffs" and all that great stuff, has to be, IMHO, one of THE great groners in all of the TREK saga. i mean, after all, this IS far into the distant future, is it not? with technology so far advanced that it might seem magical to anyone from the late 20th century to present day, no? well then, is the audience to assume that this cutting edge experimental spaceship of the far future does not have even so much as a halfway sophisicated computer system that would clearly notify the crew that the TRANSWARP drive system is malfunctional and positively not in any operational condition BEFORE the crew attempts to crank it up?!? like i said, great for Laughs, BAD for the cerebrum. one more little anecdote that sticks in my craw; one would only natually assume that the TRANSWARP system would have been long since modeled and simulated to death by computer before a prototype testbed tech demonstrator was made, and yet TREK fans were simply left with the basic canon explanation that TRANSWARP was eventually proven to be a faulty technology. yes, people, yet one more little piddly detail of the ST univers alone that gets overly anal nerds like me all in bind, god help us all... Out of curiosity what line of work are you in? As a you're making a lot of assumptions that the project to 1) design transwarp and 2) design/construct the Excelsior were both managed properly and were not riding on the back of some high ranking person/funding/mutual political back scratching that got a project pushed through despite objections it would be a failure. Projects touted as the greatest, slickest thing are touted today. But when they're more ego then anything else, embodied by the personality of the Captain of the Excelsior, they tend to all apart and be giant embarassments (see our wonderfully flawed F-22 for reference.) I'm a software engineer who may or may not make use of government funds for projects from time to time and I can assure you MAJOR gaffs like that happen. Minor issues like a warning light not blinking happen. Doesn't matter what century it's in, if it's built/designed/managed by people screw ups like what was presented in that movie can happen. I've seen it with my own two eyes too many times the past seven years. I've always really liked the way the 2S looks in Battroid but I've never understood why people like the fighter mode so much. Edited January 25, 2012 by Mommar Quote
leading edge Posted January 25, 2012 Posted January 25, 2012 It just looks cool honestly there is something in the shape that is appealing I know it is a subjective answer but hey this is the Macross II area I like it just not everything about the series. I find the valkyrie a competent design and appealing just not as much as Kawamori but it doesn't mean I can't appreciate aesthetically( I feel a little shallow saying that ). Quote
Gubaba Posted January 25, 2012 Posted January 25, 2012 It just looks cool honestly there is something in the shape that is appealing I know it is a subjective answer but hey this is the Macross II area I like it just not everything about the series. I find the valkyrie a competent design and appealing just not as much as Kawamori but it doesn't mean I can't appreciate aesthetically( I feel a little shallow saying that ). I appreciate the sentiment, but I wish you'd use punctuation. It'd make figuring out what you're saying much easier. Just sayin'. Quote
leading edge Posted January 25, 2012 Posted January 25, 2012 Dude my punctuation on last post wasn't that bad. Anyway what about the plane I mean really think some effort needs to be made in making a serious version of it I think it could be something anyone could be proud of if built. Quote
Gubaba Posted January 25, 2012 Posted January 25, 2012 (edited) Dude, my punctuation on the last post wasn't that bad. Anyway what about the plane? I mean, really... I think some effort needs to be made in making a serious version of it. I think it could be something anyone could be proud of, if built. FIXED! Edited January 25, 2012 by Gubaba Quote
Gubaba Posted January 25, 2012 Posted January 25, 2012 (edited) Anyway, we're all forgetting the IMPORTANT stuff about Macross II: baseball caps and denim shorts. Edited January 25, 2012 by Gubaba Quote
VF5SS Posted January 25, 2012 Posted January 25, 2012 I think we need Tenjin's opinion on the VF-2SS. Quote
Gubaba Posted January 25, 2012 Posted January 25, 2012 I think we need Tenjin's opinion on the VF-2SS. NOT A VALKYRIE!! Isn't that right, Save...? Quote
Vifam7 Posted January 25, 2012 Posted January 25, 2012 It just looks cool honestly there is something in the shape that is appealing I know it is a subjective answer but hey this is the Macross II area I like it just not everything about the series. I find the valkyrie a competent design and appealing just not as much as Kawamori but it doesn't mean I can't appreciate aesthetically( I feel a little shallow saying that ). The VF-2SS is one of many reasons why it wouldn't hurt for the Macross franchise to spin off more alternate universe stories. Frankly, I wouldn't mind various different mecha designers trying their hand at "Valkyrie" designs. Quote
EXO Posted January 25, 2012 Posted January 25, 2012 The VF-2SS is one of many reasons why it wouldn't hurt for the Macross franchise to spin off more alternate universe stories. Frankly, I wouldn't mind various different mecha designers trying their hand at "Valkyrie" designs. Shhh! you'll wake up the drones with that kind of sacrilegous talk! must... listen... to hoary froating... head.... bzzt! bzzt! Quote
VF5SS Posted January 25, 2012 Posted January 25, 2012 Not enough intakes I kno rite what's up with four intakes in a row. I don't hate the design but I think it is rather indicative of the whole unimaginative bent to the whole production. It's a VF-1 derivative with some 90's styling. It is not the sheer genius of the VF-19. Quote
eugimon Posted January 26, 2012 Posted January 26, 2012 I kno rite what's up with four intakes in a row. I don't hate the design but I think it is rather indicative of the whole unimaginative bent to the whole production. It's a VF-1 derivative with some 90's styling. It is not the sheer genius of the VF-19. it also needs more random bits hanging off it. Sure, it's got that one big ventral fin that does nothing and those boxes that the tail fins sit on top of that also do nothing and sure it has that face flap for its big ass gun, and sure, it has a CB antenna but l just feel like there's some more stuff that could be added. Quote
Old_Nash Posted January 26, 2012 Posted January 26, 2012 Happy Chinese New Year! I wanted to start the year with a Chinese girlfriend... Quote
VF5SS Posted January 26, 2012 Posted January 26, 2012 some people who shall remain nameless say the VF-2SS is a bridge between the VF-1 and VF-11 not that's the VF-5000 duh it's the step between the VF-1 and VF-19 first Valkyrie made by a new company called industry Quote
eugimon Posted January 26, 2012 Posted January 26, 2012 some people who shall remain nameless say the VF-2SS is a bridge between the VF-1 and VF-11 not that's the VF-5000 duh it's the step between the VF-1 and VF-19 first Valkyrie made by a new company called industry sooo... you're saying all those random bits actually serve a purpose to open up a rift in space and time and send the vf-2 to the past where it gets reverse engineered into yf-19??? That would actually be better than the real plot to MII Quote
VF5SS Posted January 26, 2012 Posted January 26, 2012 http://collectiondx.com/toy_review/1992/vf2ss_valkyrie_ii_super_armed_pack people said things in my review strange things Quote
eugimon Posted January 26, 2012 Posted January 26, 2012 http://collectiondx....uper_armed_pack people said things in my review strange things Okay... I don't see how the vf-2 is anything other than an antithetical derivative of the vf-1... but okay, sure, it's both the predecessor and the decedent to the vf-11.... okay... Quote
Shaorin Posted January 26, 2012 Posted January 26, 2012 all the same, i've nearly pulled the trigger on a copy of that kit a few times, and i just yet might one of these odd days. here's to YAMATO somehow managing to pick up the license to produce a 1/60 P. TRANS. becase, detractors say what you may, this is something that really needs to happen, right alongside a 1/60 VF-2JA!! Quote
Mommar Posted January 26, 2012 Posted January 26, 2012 (edited) It's nothing more than a stylized version of the VF-1, that's plain to see. In terms of it's figher mode I don't really get why people like it. In terms of Gerwalk and Battroid it's kind of cool in the same way a modern Mustang is kinda cool because it's obviously lifting old aesthetics from the classic cars but still adhering to a modern sensibility. It may not look nearly as good as the original but I'm not necessarily offended by it's derivative nature. all the same, i've nearly pulled the trigger on a copy of that kit a few times, and i just yet might one of these odd days. here's to YAMATO somehow managing to pick up the license to produce a 1/60 P. TRANS. becase, detractors say what you may, this is something that really needs to happen, right alongside a 1/60 VF-2JA!! I'd buy a 2 and a 2JA if they were made. Edited January 26, 2012 by Mommar Quote
PetarB Posted February 8, 2012 Posted February 8, 2012 (edited) In terms of it's figher mode I don't really get why people like it. T H I S. Edited February 8, 2012 by PetarB Quote
anime52k8 Posted February 8, 2012 Posted February 8, 2012 yep, that's a really nice shade of blue on that wilting pancake plane. Quote
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