JB0 Posted October 7, 2014 Posted October 7, 2014 Of course you're right! But let me counter with the argument that Transformers The Movie from 1986 was only 84 minutes long and clearly the best Transformers movie ever. This indicates: the shorter a transformers movie runs the better it gets. This would lead to an infinitely awesome movie if we could reach a near zero seconds long movie. However since the 1986 movie was magnitudes better than the first Bay movie we could see an exponentially grow in awesomeness in relation to the run time thus resulting in an adequately awesome movie in the interval from 20 to 60 minutes run time. Thus I conclude that the golden lagoon is the best Transformers "movie". Of course! How could I have missed it? No wonder the animation in the old toy ads is so much better than the actual cartoon was! Your point is well-taken. I see now flaws in the argument. Quote
big F Posted October 7, 2014 Posted October 7, 2014 If you indiscriminately cut all the crap bits out of films you are left with about 30 mins of footage each, ergo by calculations made in previous posts makes them darn near perfect if you don't count the adverts as films. Quote
mikeszekely Posted October 8, 2014 Posted October 8, 2014 And IMNSHO, the most egregious product placement mark went completely un-noted. Drift the japanese fanboy samurai turns into a Bugatti. He SHOULD have been a Honda or a Toyota or... you know, ANYTHING japanese. But he's french. Because... because... ummm... hang on, it'll come to me... Yeah, I got nothin'. I can only assume France is known for their samurai warriors, but it sounds wrong somehow. He even wears not just the Bugatti logo in the very center of his chest, but the entire grill. And they make sure to give us a closeup. You don't comment on io9/Sploid/Gawker, do you? Someone going by SeventhReign was going on about the same "why is the samurai a Bugatti?" thing. Quote
areaseven Posted October 8, 2014 Posted October 8, 2014 Best Honest Trailer ever (next to ROTF)! Quote
JB0 Posted October 8, 2014 Posted October 8, 2014 You don't comment on io9/Sploid/Gawker, do you? Someone going by SeventhReign was going on about the same "why is the samurai a Bugatti?" thing.Nope. Not me. It seems an obvious complaint, though. I mean, I know Japan doesn't make a lot of cars, but there must be SOMETHING thematically appropriate for him. Quote
GU-11 Posted October 8, 2014 Posted October 8, 2014 Nope. Not me. It seems an obvious complaint, though. I mean, I know Japan doesn't make a lot of cars, but there must be SOMETHING thematically appropriate for him. Something like this, maybe? It's Japanese, and it's a sports car. Quote
anime52k8 Posted October 8, 2014 Posted October 8, 2014 it's also an ugly, shitty car that nobody likes. Quote
mikeszekely Posted October 8, 2014 Posted October 8, 2014 it's also an ugly, shitty car that nobody likes.This, pretty much. I think the best choices for a Japanese sports car would have been a Nissan GT-R, a Subaru Imprezza WRX, or a Mitsubsishi Lancer Evolution. It seems an obvious complaint, though.It is, in a way. It's just that, for all the awful in that movie, it seems like a small thing to fixate on. It's like saying you think the Nazis were bad, then cite the fact that they burned Helen Keller's books. It's like, sure, that's bad, but you really can't think of anything else that bothers you more? Quote
GU-11 Posted October 8, 2014 Posted October 8, 2014 it's also an ugly, shitty car that nobody likes. Oh I definitely agree that it's ugly. It's also obnoxious and probably overpriced, which is why it's perfect as an Autobot alt mode in "a Michael Bay film." Quote
Kanedas Bike Posted October 9, 2014 Posted October 9, 2014 This, pretty much. I think the best choices for a Japanese sports car would have been a Nissan GT-R, a Subaru Imprezza WRX, or a Mitsubsishi Lancer Evolution. *snip* A GT-R would have been awesome, I love seeing them on the road. But his robot mode was pretty stupid too, so unless that changed along with the brand of car I would still have a strong dislike for the character. -b. Quote
JB0 Posted October 9, 2014 Posted October 9, 2014 It is, in a way. It's just that, for all the awful in that movie, it seems like a small thing to fixate on. It's like saying you think the Nazis were bad, then cite the fact that they burned Helen Keller's books. It's like, sure, that's bad, but you really can't think of anything else that bothers you more? Because daishogun Durifuto-san is chou very sugoi! He deserved better! Or something. Naw, the big stuff's already been beaten to death. This is just the most blatant of the small stuff. Like Grimlock having horns, only less awesome. Quote
Scyla Posted October 9, 2014 Posted October 9, 2014 (edited) Because daishogun Durifuto-san is chou very sugoi! He deserved better! Or something. Naw, the big stuff's already been beaten to death. This is just the most blatant of the small stuff. Like Grimlock having horns, only less awesome. NOOOOOOOOOOOOO don't let Bay ruin my Alternity Super Black Convoy. Edited October 9, 2014 by Scyla Quote
anime52k8 Posted October 9, 2014 Posted October 9, 2014 This, pretty much. I think the best choices for a Japanese sports car would have been a Nissan GT-R, a Subaru Imprezza WRX, or a Mitsubsishi Lancer Evolution. no love for the LF-A? Quote
mikeszekely Posted October 9, 2014 Posted October 9, 2014 (edited) no love for the LF-A?Lots of love for it, actually, but I don't really think about it when I think of Japanese sports cars. Partly because, despite being an offshoot of Toyota, the brand was launched in America and, in some ways, feels more American than Japanese (until about 10 years ago, most of the cars sold with the Lexus badge in the States were rebranded as Toyotas in Japan). Partly because, in terms of both price and performance, it doesn't fit with the GT-Rs, Evos, and Imprezzas that immediately spring to mind when I think of Japanese sports cars. Edited October 9, 2014 by mikeszekely Quote
Kanedas Bike Posted October 10, 2014 Posted October 10, 2014 no love for the LF-A? *snip* As mikeszekely said, lots. I have a red AUTOArt LFA sitting on my TV cabinet, but I'd much rather see the LFA as Hot Rod then some random Transformer. -b. Quote
JB0 Posted October 10, 2014 Posted October 10, 2014 Other dumb places to take a stand in this movie: Galvatron. If he has no spark, he shouldn't be sentient. Though he was right when he said "that is why I have no fear", it should also preclude a whole host of other things he has in spades. Quote
Kanedas Bike Posted October 10, 2014 Posted October 10, 2014 Other dumb places to take a stand in this movie: Galvatron. If he has no spark, he shouldn't be sentient. Though he was right when he said "that is why I have no fear", it should also preclude a whole host of other things he has in spades. Lump that right in the same pile as the inconsistencies with how the Allspark, Matrix, Spark and any other "core" Transformer movie lore has been handled. One thing that can be said w/out little argument is that the writers have shown that they really don't put much stock in creating a consistent mythos across these movies. -b. Quote
anime52k8 Posted October 10, 2014 Posted October 10, 2014 There was ever a consistent mythos in transformers? Quote
Kanedas Bike Posted October 10, 2014 Posted October 10, 2014 There was ever a consistent mythos in transformers? Well...kinda...when you think about G1, TF:TM and Beast Wars. But that doesn't mean that the movie makers shouldn't have put forth a little (more) effort to be consistent across the live-action movies. -b. Quote
RD Blade Posted October 10, 2014 Posted October 10, 2014 (edited) They're movie sequels. It only makes sense for the writers to have seen the preceding movies. The "dumb popcorn movie" excuse has always been thin. When you create a fictional story, you make your own rules. Orci & Kurtzman gave them alot to build on. I'm sure Bay wanted to leave his mark, but it becomes blatantly obvious when a writer/creator is attempting to break or rewrite already established rules. Perfect example: By the middle of season 1, the Autobots could no longer fly. Edited October 10, 2014 by RD Blade Quote
JB0 Posted October 11, 2014 Posted October 11, 2014 Don't the Cosntructicons have three conflicting origin stories in the cartoon? Quote
big F Posted October 11, 2014 Posted October 11, 2014 Don't the Cosntructicons have three conflicting origin stories in the cartoon? I'm sure that they did have some conflicting story, it's been a while since I watched them all. They were by far not the only ones though. Quote
RD Blade Posted October 11, 2014 Posted October 11, 2014 Don't the Cosntructicons have three conflicting origin stories in the cartoon? There are at least two. One where Megatron builds them and another where they build Megatron. Not sure what the third one could be. Quote
JB0 Posted October 11, 2014 Posted October 11, 2014 There are at least two. One where Megatron builds them and another where they build Megatron. Not sure what the third one could be.Just looked it up. The evil Constructicons built Megatron. Megatron then brainwashed the good Constructicons to be evil. And then Megatron et al traveled to Earth and built the Constructicons. Quote
RD Blade Posted October 11, 2014 Posted October 11, 2014 The evil Constructicons built Megatron. Megatron then brainwashed the good Constructicons to be evil. And then Megatron et al traveled to Earth and built the Constructicons. `Hah! That's the one. Quote
TehPW Posted October 11, 2014 Posted October 11, 2014 OK the honest trailer was good. Godzilla's was better. Quote
areaseven Posted October 17, 2014 Posted October 17, 2014 It's finally here. The EWW so epic, it spans two videos. Quote
Kanedas Bike Posted October 17, 2014 Posted October 17, 2014 ^Ha ha ha, I called # 36 earlier in this thread! Go me. -b. Quote
vlenhoff Posted October 19, 2014 Posted October 19, 2014 So I guess we can conclude that Transformers fans are the most loyal. No matter what kind of crap they get, they will still go watch it. Michael Bay, you are one lucky MF. If only a TF movie could be as much fun as Guardians of the Galaxy was... one can only dream... Quote
JB0 Posted October 19, 2014 Posted October 19, 2014 If only a TF movie could be as much fun as Guardians of the Galaxy was... one can only dream... If only EVERY movie could be as much fun as Guardians of the Galaxy. Quote
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