Wiz13688 Posted August 7, 2013 Posted August 7, 2013 (edited) Wow, that must be a lot of work. If just the thought of putting on decals is giving me headaches. I can't imagine what all that hand painting will give me(maybe a heart attack ;-P). It looks amazing though! Edited August 7, 2013 by Wiz13688 Quote
derex3592 Posted August 7, 2013 Posted August 7, 2013 No, the Aztec pattern wasn't on the hull. I put it on the hull. The model just comes in plain white plastic. Chris You SIR are a VERY patient and talented man! Huzzaa! Quote
Valkyrie addict Posted August 7, 2013 Posted August 7, 2013 I hope you used a template for the aztec pattern!! Amazing! Quote
Dobber Posted August 7, 2013 Posted August 7, 2013 (edited) Ha! Nope all free hand. Currently working on the nacelles. I'll take a picture and show you all the progress. Thanks for the compliments guys! Chris Edited August 7, 2013 by Dobber Quote
Checkmate Posted August 7, 2013 Posted August 7, 2013 Free hand? How? Can you describe to us your technique. Quote
Dobber Posted August 7, 2013 Posted August 7, 2013 Free hand? How? Can you describe to us your technique. Sure, this is the first time I have used this technique...it's kind of an experiment. I'm using artist pencils and blending sticks. I start by using the lightest shade of pencil....in this case 9H. What this does is prevents the pencil from going on too dark accidentally.i just draw on the pattern or shapes I want. Then I lightly shade in panels with the same pencil or if needed a darker version. Then I use the blending stick, which is pretty much just a cardboard rod that is sharpened, and carefully blend the shaded area together to get a uniform shade. If needed I'll touch up the panels edges and or use an eraser pencil to clean up any mistakes. I've been pretty pleased with the results so far. I like how using the pencils allows me to change the darkness of the panels on the fly....so I can have a lot of subtle variations. Here are my pencils. Chris Quote
David Hingtgen Posted August 8, 2013 Posted August 8, 2013 I think the real question is more along the lines of "how do you make small squares and straight lines like that, free-hand?" Quote
Valkyrie addict Posted August 8, 2013 Posted August 8, 2013 Wow! amazing, that must require a lot of patience. Do you use some kind of stand to hold and move each part so you don't smudge with your fingers before sealing it? Quote
Major Focker Posted August 8, 2013 Posted August 8, 2013 I think the real question is more along the lines of "how do you make small squares and straight lines like that, free-hand?" drawing circumferentially parallel arcs are probably even trickier since in the pattern Dobber used those tend to be longer than the radial lines. i can't draw a perfect circle to save my life, but i have friends who were in architecture and fine arts who can draw perfect circles in one stroke like it was nothing Quote
Chronocidal Posted August 8, 2013 Posted August 8, 2013 Actually, for something like this, all the reference lines from the panels would be a great help. It's a lot easier to draw an evenly curved line when you have lots of parallel lines around to guide your hand. Still, that's freaking amazing. Bravo! Quote
electric indigo Posted August 8, 2013 Posted August 8, 2013 Ha! Nope all free hand. Currently working on the nacelles. I'll take a picture and show you all the progress. Thanks for the compliments guys! Chris I think you really set the benchmark for tedious work. If only the people working on world peace & the cure for cancer had such enthusiasm... - Meanwhile, back in Olympus: Quote
Dobber Posted August 8, 2013 Posted August 8, 2013 I think the real question is more along the lines of "how do you make small squares and straight lines like that, free-hand?" Ahh, gotcha. I've been drawing all my life so I guess I have an eye for it plus Chronocidal also hits the nail on the head. Actually, for something like this, all the reference lines from the panels would be a great help. It's a lot easier to draw an evenly curved line when you have lots of parallel lines around to guide your hand. Still, that's freaking amazing. Bravo! I just work one section at a time And did most of the paneling before the halves are assembled, this gives me a flat stable side to rest on the table. i'm just careful where i place my hands to avoid smudging. when I have a good amount done i give it a spray of flat clear to seal and protect the pencil work. Once it is dry then i can touch it anywhere without worrying about smudging anything. The nacelles are a little harder as they are smooth with no grid lines. Plus they are already built so I don't have a flat side to rest on the table. I built these first before paneling because there where too many parts that needed to go together and would require a lot of sanding and puttying. He are the nacelles and what the assembled saucer looks like.Chris Quote
electric indigo Posted August 8, 2013 Posted August 8, 2013 Easily the best JJPrise build I've seen so far. Please don't abandon this. Quote
Dobber Posted August 8, 2013 Posted August 8, 2013 (edited) Thanks, I'm getting really close now...just need to finish the nacelle paneling, then some touch up/ detail painting, paint the deflector, and then decal. Paneling will take the longest. I got replacement decals for the registry and name as the ones with the kit where incorrect....plus a lot of the detail decals that came with the kit where far to bright or the gray striping was too dark so that is why I painted them on instead. The cool thing about the new registry decals is that they also include alternate decals....not different ship names but extra decals so you can mark the ship more like TOS or the movie Refit. I'm going to use the refit style extras and put the registry and name on the bottom of the saucer (hated how the JJprise had the blank saucer under side) and put the ships name on the fan-tail instead of NCC-1701 (also something I didn't like since most ships real or otherwise, put the ships name on the stern.) There will also be a large full decal set with panels and Aztecing comming soon so I have a second kit I'll use that with when they are available...but this one will be unique. Those decals can be found /bought here: http://www.pntmodels.com/ I also made custome fan blades for inside the Bussard collectors....the kit doesn't have anything in there except a decal. My blades are perfect...bit they get the job done. they can't be seen now since they are all masked up in the nacelles but here are early shots from earlier in the build. Early in the construction: After everything was painted and built: Chris Edited August 8, 2013 by Dobber Quote
MechTech Posted August 9, 2013 Posted August 9, 2013 AWESOME detailign Dobber! The paneling and shading looks great! - MT Quote
Jefuemon Posted August 10, 2013 Posted August 10, 2013 Word of warning if you've got the launch arm kit, and haven't built it yet. It ain't designed for Strike packs! The extra height of the RÖ-X24 cannon throws off the gripper fingers' alignment. Think I've got it sufficiently modified to work, though. Hopefully I'll be 100% finished in the next few weeks. Quote
GMK Posted August 11, 2013 Posted August 11, 2013 Worked on these 2 144 scaled babies for the last 3 weeks Nice - where'd you get the Shuttles in 1/144? Greg Quote
MacrossJunkie Posted August 11, 2013 Posted August 11, 2013 Wow, Dobber. That looks very good, especially for free handed work. That must have been extremely mind numbing and tedious to do! Quote
electric indigo Posted August 12, 2013 Posted August 12, 2013 Things are beginning to take shape Quote
derex3592 Posted August 13, 2013 Posted August 13, 2013 Ditto....viper is primed, puttied, sanded, primed again and sanded again...etc...ready for white paint...may the Lords of Kobel help me.... Quote
Major Focker Posted August 13, 2013 Posted August 13, 2013 can't wait to see this finished. go! go ! go! what approximate scale do you reckon this is? Things are beginning to take shape Quote
electric indigo Posted August 13, 2013 Posted August 13, 2013 The kit is quite small; seeing how they tower over city blocks in the movie I'd put it in the 1/1000 region. Quote
Major Focker Posted August 13, 2013 Posted August 13, 2013 thanks. maybe it'll work with some 1/700 buildings in my stash Quote
wm cheng Posted August 13, 2013 Posted August 13, 2013 WOW! That is absolutely the best JJprise I've ever seen. Way to go on the free-hand paneling, that really elevates the finish! You've turned a horrible design (IMO) into a great looking model - congrats! Quote
Chronocidal Posted August 13, 2013 Posted August 13, 2013 You know, something I still can't wrap my head around about the JJ-prise.. Did anyone actually ever figure out how big it is? Like, not how big it's supposed to be according to the people who said so, but how big it is based on the design? I mean.. So ok. I think they literally said it's supposed to be bigger than the Ent-E. Did the artists just have no sense of scale, or did they seriously design it with 40 ft tall bay windows all over the hull? Because despite the ship being 3-4x bigger than the original, the windows are still in the same places, and still the same relative sizes. It's like they copied all the nice hull details of the old refit design purely for aesthetics without it ever occurring to them that most of those details actually reflected the internal structure of the ship. This has been kind of lost on the newer designs like the Ent-E, but up through the Ent-D, the aztec panels on the saucer pretty much showed the layout of the internal bulkheads and living spaces. I guess maybe that's a bit off the subject though, sorry I guess a better thing to ask here.. What does that kit reflect in terms of size? I don't know if there is any internal detail, but maybe what surprised me about the new design was that I didn't see that many windows anywhere. Quote
derex3592 Posted August 13, 2013 Posted August 13, 2013 Well it would have to be way bigger than the E...I mean you can't fit a giant Brewery in just any old Starfleet engine room... Quote
wm cheng Posted August 13, 2013 Posted August 13, 2013 Well it would have to be way bigger than the E...I mean you can't fit a giant Brewery in just any old Starfleet engine room... LOL!!! I hated the engineering decks... the "look" of the JJ Star Trek is just un-forgiveable. Quote
Dobber Posted August 13, 2013 Posted August 13, 2013 (edited) Thanks again guys. I was originally against the idea of the ship being as large as it is but I have come to accept it. There was a good thread about this over at SSM and after handling the model the things we thought we knew about it are wrong and things actually make sense. This is a fan made cutaway that shows things actually work. You can make out some figures at key areas of the ship like in front of the main view screen/window. From there everything else like windows, docking ports, ect actually work and fit. Work on the model is progressing steadily, the first nacelle is just about done. Also, I finally attached the saucer! That was a big moment that I was waiting for! Lol! Dry fit the nacelles afterwards to get an idea of what the model wold look like together...damn she's big! @Derex, the viper is looking fantastic! Are you going to do a custom paint scheme or go with the canon Galactica paint job? @Electric indigo, what is that from? It looks really cool! Chris Edited August 14, 2013 by Dobber Quote
electric indigo Posted August 14, 2013 Posted August 14, 2013 Dobber, this is the Gun Platform (or Mobile Fortress) from the 2004 Appleseed movie. Watch it dishing out mayhem and destruction here: If you read the manga, don't bother to watch the rest of the movie... I started painting the details and installed clear Wave eyes: Quote
Major Focker Posted August 14, 2013 Posted August 14, 2013 that made me dig up my dvd and re-watch the whole movie despite the outdated CGI, i think it's a stronger movie than Ex Machina Quote
Kelsain Posted August 14, 2013 Posted August 14, 2013 Well it would have to be way bigger than the E...I mean you can't fit a giant Brewery in just any old Starfleet engine room... To boldly brew where no man has brewed before! Quote
Shaorin Posted August 14, 2013 Posted August 14, 2013 well, i'm attempting to get somewhere on this damned thing, a little here and there... Quote
007-vf1 Posted August 14, 2013 Posted August 14, 2013 Nice - where'd you get the Shuttles in 1/144? Greg They are Anigrands.. No longer in circulation.. They pop on and off in Evilbay around under $200 each Quote
Wiz13688 Posted August 14, 2013 Posted August 14, 2013 (edited) Did the RG GP01Fb over the weekend. Now have to take it apart and paint..... Edited August 27, 2013 by Wiz13688 Quote
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