Jasonc Posted September 6, 2011 Posted September 6, 2011 Variants of the German StuG III and many other assault guns/tank destroyers had no roof crew protection. example: British Archer tank destroyer And that's probably why they weren't so common, and were probably used more for artillery and/or artillery defense. If not, what's the point of having defense, but leaving the a very easily penetrating area?
anime52k8 Posted September 6, 2011 Posted September 6, 2011 Idk. Denborium is kinda ridiculous. Who really need's a giant robot for their giant robot. you see, at least the Dendrobium is crazy overarmed to the point of being kind of cool. the various rocket sleds are just sleds, made of rockets, that the robots just sort of sit on and fly around awkwardly with. they don't even ride the things in a cool fashion.
jenius Posted September 6, 2011 Posted September 6, 2011 oh... that looks.... lame. The Space Helicopter in Southern Cross may never have had its rotors deployed in space... but that doesn't stop it from looking like a helicopter in space.
azrael Posted September 6, 2011 Author Posted September 6, 2011 Have I ever mentioned that the rocket sleds in Gundam where some of the dumbest things in the entire franchise? Well, at first they were used to allow MSs to fly but then that idea faded when transforming MSs started becoming the norm for atmospheric use. By the time we got to Char's Counterattack, they became a mode of transport since MSs were being launched well beyond the combat zone and they didn't have enough fuel to get themselves to the combat zone. So they're not suppose to ride those things in some cool fashion. The hitch a ride, then ditch them when they get close enough. As for Southern Cross, they had the mother ships that carried them, then transport ships that brought them to the combat field, then they ride the hover boards in and around the combat zone...At least Mobile suits had boosters to get them around and didn't always need the Base Jabbers. I don't recall the Bioroids even having thrusters.
1st Border Red Devil Posted September 6, 2011 Posted September 6, 2011 As for Southern Cross, they had the mother ships that carried them, then transport ships that brought them to the combat field, then they ride the hover boards in and around the combat zone...At least Mobile suits had boosters to get them around and didn't always need the Base Jabbers. I don't recall the Bioroids even having thrusters. Again, unlike Base Jabbers, the Biover is armed. Furthermore, the Bioroid is shown to be capable of operating in space and the upper atmosphere (flying) without the Biover. The Bioroid also does have thrusters in the feet:
Gubaba Posted September 6, 2011 Posted September 6, 2011 Have I ever mentioned that the rocket sleds in Gundam where some of the dumbest things in the entire franchise? Dumber than girls in bikinis attacking the V Gundam...?
Shaorin Posted September 6, 2011 Posted September 6, 2011 (edited) Variants of the German StuG III and many other assault guns/tank destroyers had no roof crew protection. and see where it got them back in WWII? In the Auroran's defense, I don't recall a single scene where the helicopter mode was ever even used. I would imagine that the copter mode would only be used in an atmosphere. it damned well better have!! Edited September 6, 2011 by Shaorin
VF5SS Posted September 6, 2011 Posted September 6, 2011 Some Base Jabbers do have guns though. And the whole concept is really from the original Gundam where later on Goufs would ride around on Dodais.
anime52k8 Posted September 6, 2011 Posted September 6, 2011 Dumber than girls in bikinis attacking the V Gundam...? Admittedly I kind of got burnt out on UC gundam around F91 and haven't actually watched much of V Gundam, but considering it involves girls in bikinis I'm more willing to give it a pass.
Gubaba Posted September 6, 2011 Posted September 6, 2011 Admittedly I kind of got burnt out on UC gundam around F91 and haven't actually watched much of V Gundam, but considering it involves girls in bikinis I'm more willing to give it a pass. Knock yourself out, man.
anime52k8 Posted September 6, 2011 Posted September 6, 2011 (edited) Knock yourself out, man. naw, Semi-naked women make perfect sense. How else are you going to defeat the white guy. Edited September 6, 2011 by anime52k8
Keith Posted September 6, 2011 Posted September 6, 2011 I almost forgot how tweaked Victory got, poor bikini troop...
renegadeleader1 Posted September 7, 2011 Posted September 7, 2011 (edited) A bit off-topic, but I do not believe any StuG III versions lacked overhead and rear armor. And I'm pretty sure about that. If you mean other SPGs based on modified Pz.III-ish chassis, like the Hummel, then sure. The first few examples of the short gunned StuG III rolled off the assembly line without roofs. In pre war testing they found this was vulnerable to small arms fire while on a forward facing slope. By 1938 they had all been modified to have roofs. And that's probably why they weren't so common, and were probably used more for artillery and/or artillery defense. If not, what's the point of having defense, but leaving the a very easily penetrating area? Actually quite a few were common like the U.S. M-10 wolverine tank destroyer over 6,700 were built. Having no roof helps with target spotting, faster reloading, casing clearing, and adds more speed due to less weight. WWII tank destroyer doctrine consisted of speed and firepower above all else. The M18 hellcat(also open topped) could be clocked at up to 60mph(97kmh). Personally I kinda like the idea behind the spartas. Its obvious that the mecha designer tried to merge 3 different types of mechanized warfare into the one mecha. The speed of a jeep, the firpower of self propelled artillery, and the all around ability of a main battle tank. Edited September 7, 2011 by renegadeleader1
VF5SS Posted September 7, 2011 Posted September 7, 2011 Personally I kinda like the idea behind the spartas. Its obvious that the mecha designer tried to merge 3 different types of mechanized warfare into the one mecha. The speed of a jeep, the firpower of self propelled artillery, and the all around ability of a main battle tank. I thought Southern Cross was originally envisioned as a Sci-fi story in a Sengoku Japan era like setting. The Spartas were kind of meant to be like space chariots.
renegadeleader1 Posted September 7, 2011 Posted September 7, 2011 I thought Southern Cross was originally envisioned as a Sci-fi story in a Sengoku Japan era like setting. The Spartas were kind of meant to be like space chariots. That was the original idea including robotic horses and pagoda battleships, all of it was scrapped in favor of what we evetually got. The only thing that survived the change was the hover sleds.
VF5SS Posted September 7, 2011 Posted September 7, 2011 Well that and Lana's very obvious Samurai armor. Also that police robot Jeanne knocks over in the first episode.
yui1107 Posted September 8, 2011 Posted September 8, 2011 (edited) NO " Lifting body" ! KISSDUM NES "Cockpit-Armor System". VF-8 Logan s　more " Lifting body" style aerodynamics design than air-combat maneuver. X-24A, M2-F3 and HL-10 lifting body X-planes is no-suitable for ACM as like F-16. (Nor KISSDUM NES "Cockpit-Armor System". ) Logan's body is more suitable for Atmospheric entry as Waverider. On the other hand VHT-10 "Auroran " (AGACS) has 3-configurations. (High-Altitude aerospace-fighter / Helicopter / Battroid. ) Helicopter - "Atmosphere & Gravity sphere on the planets" configuration is subsitite for GERWALK in VF-1 VF-4, VFA-6 and VF-7. However, AGACS's movement of the re-evaluation about abolish GERWALK to put a great burden on a pilot and "posture / altitude control computer " and stability because of top heavy for that middle form, and having adopted a helicopter form. The model more than 30 minutes is rare except the new generation floatage system airplane which seems to be YF-21/VF-22 Sturmvogel II by Advanced Variable Fighter (A.V.F.) for only several minutes at the continuation hovering time with the GERWALK configuration of first VERITECH/Variable Fighter "VF-1 VALKYLIE" whereas she is unlimited at hovering time except mechanical fatigue of VFH-10 Auroran(and "VFH-12 Supreme-Auroran" ). Edited September 8, 2011 by yui1107
Zor Primus Posted September 8, 2011 Posted September 8, 2011 Yeah...putting up pics of the Logan doesn't help Southern Cross's argument. I can defend the Body Armor, AJAC's and Hovertanks, but the Logan...ewww...that over sized cockpit bubble might as well have been painted with a bullseye. Ugly in Fighter mode and completely fugly in Gerwalk. While I haven't seen the original work of Southern Cross, I'm not one to hate it completely either. There was potential there...while not even close to epic as Macross or as popular as Mospeada, to me Southern Cross was not a horrid pile of wasted animation as some seem to think it is.
Gubaba Posted September 8, 2011 Posted September 8, 2011 While I haven't seen the original work of Southern Cross, I'm not one to hate it completely either. There was potential there...while not even close to epic as Macross or as popular as Mospeada, to me Southern Cross was not a horrid pile of wasted animation as some seem to think it is. Mospeada...popular...? With WHO?
Zor Primus Posted September 8, 2011 Posted September 8, 2011 Mospeada...popular...? With WHO? LOL...thats another can of worms it seems...lets get back on topic shall we? ROWBOATECH RULES!
Shaorin Posted September 8, 2011 Posted September 8, 2011 (edited) oh gawd. those ANTARCTIC PRESS ROBOTECH comic scans just bring back BAD memories for me. pure pain, to be quite sure. not so terribly long ago, (a little over a decade) i was but yet another pathetic, criminally-malnourished MACROSS/ROBOTECH fan, jealously devouring every little fraction of even loosely based MACROSS/ROBOTECH material i could manage to desparately dredge up, including those godawful AP comics. it's a strangely interesting, yet exceedingly painful mental condition to be in; to be a fan so psychotically desperate and under-fed in their particular fandom, that one enthusiastically and gratefully accepts even the slightest and most woefully inadequate tidbits that HG had deigned themselves to toss out in the existing ROBOTECH fandom's general direction... ...Youth is, as they say, rather Wasted on the Young... Edited September 8, 2011 by Shaorin
sketchley Posted September 8, 2011 Posted September 8, 2011 Hmm... way back when, I was following the Robotech comics, but STOPPED when Antarctic Press got the license from Academy Comics. Truly nasty stuff... not only did they do the artistic faux pas of copy/pasting the lineart, they completely butchered characterization! Captain Global cooking? Yee-gawds!
azrael Posted September 8, 2011 Author Posted September 8, 2011 Yeah...putting up pics of the Logan doesn't help Southern Cross's argument. You must understand...yui1107 doesn't understand a word we're saying...nor does she care.
1st Border Red Devil Posted September 8, 2011 Posted September 8, 2011 Yeah...putting up pics of the Logan doesn't help Southern Cross's argument. And yet its possible, however unlikely, that the KISSDUM mecha designer Shoji Kawamori liked the Logan 'Flying Walker' mode.
VF5SS Posted September 8, 2011 Posted September 8, 2011 And yet its possible, however unlikely, that the KISSDUM mecha designer Shoji Kawamori liked the Logan 'Flying Walker' mode. It's also possible, however unlikely, that my tuna sandwich is going to suddenly become a ham sandwich. Because it's not like the KISSDUM robot looks like the ED-209, or Glaug (any flavor), or even anything Kawamori has ever drawn before in his nearly 30 years as a designer.
azrael Posted September 8, 2011 Author Posted September 8, 2011 Because it's not like the KISSDUM robot looks like the ED-209, or Glaug (any flavor), or even anything Kawamori has ever drawn before in his nearly 30 years as a designer. Heck, he probably has binders full of stuff that never made it to print, just like any writer, designer, or anyone else in the business.
Zor Primus Posted September 8, 2011 Posted September 8, 2011 You must understand...yui1107 doesn't understand a word we're saying...nor does she care. Nani?
Jasonc Posted September 8, 2011 Posted September 8, 2011 (edited) Was it just implied that Kawamori got his ideas from Southern Cross? Wait....HAHAHAHAHAAAAA. If not, carry on. Edited September 8, 2011 by Jasonc
blackconvoy_D01 Posted September 8, 2011 Posted September 8, 2011 Ive been out of the loop for a bit. Does anyone know if HG is kicking themselves even harder for not pushing harder in light of the success of Voltron and Thundercats?
MjrMisaHayase Posted September 8, 2011 Posted September 8, 2011 Ive been out of the loop for a bit. Does anyone know if HG is kicking themselves even harder for not pushing harder in light of the success of Voltron and Thundercats? There's always Robotech: The Shadow Chronicles.
Einherjar Posted September 9, 2011 Posted September 9, 2011 (edited) Ive been out of the loop for a bit. Does anyone know if HG is kicking themselves even harder for not pushing harder in light of the success of Voltron and Thundercats? What are you talking about? There's another DVD set of the original 85 episodes coming out next month. A re-re-re-re-re-release is something to be psyched about, right? Also, apparently, this is too for some reason: Everyone should watch Futurama tonight. Let me guess, in addition to the Voltron theme, the crew paid HG for to use music from Robotech? The anime section of tonight's episode has some connection to Macross, which can also be attributed to Robotech? There's commentary about dubs in the 80's? Confirmed. Edited September 9, 2011 by Einherjar
Funkenstein Posted September 9, 2011 Posted September 9, 2011 What are you talking about? There's another DVD set of the original 85 episodes coming out next month. A re-re-re-re-re-release is something to be psyched about, right? Also, apparently, this is too for some reason: Everyone should watch Futurama tonight. Let me guess, in addition to the Voltron theme, the crew paid HG for to use music from Robotech? The anime section of tonight's episode has some connection to Macross, which can also be attributed to Robotech? There's commentary about dubs in the 80's? Confirmed. So it seems the consensus from the public IE random people on the internet, yesterdays episode had a segment parodying Voltron and Battle of the Planets. It seems the Macross portion was completely lost on people. That makes sense since Robotech hasn't had a new TV show for over 25 years. So what exactly did HG think was going to happen?
Einherjar Posted September 9, 2011 Posted September 9, 2011 (edited) So it seems the consensus from the public IE random people on the internet, yesterdays episode had a segment parodying Voltron and Battle of the Planets. It seems the Macross portion was completely lost on people. That makes sense since Robotech hasn't had a new TV show for over 25 years. So what exactly did HG think was going to happen? People with good ears would be able to hear a small portion of Robotech background music during the battle scene. Not that it was being treated as a big deal anywhere else, but that was it. If people remembered, or cared, then I guess that would be as big of a deal as the one time The Late Show with David Letterman used Robotech background music or the Recliner of Rage segment with Robotech. So I guess HG has something to brag about during next year's convention tour. Edited September 9, 2011 by Einherjar
azrael Posted September 9, 2011 Author Posted September 9, 2011 So it seems the consensus from the public IE random people on the internet, yesterdays episode had a segment parodying Voltron and Battle of the Planets. It seems the Macross portion was completely lost on people. That makes sense since Robotech hasn't had a new TV show for over 25 years. So what exactly did HG think was going to happen? Let me break my Caps Lock key... OMG! OMG! OMGOMGOMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!ZOMG11111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111 SEE ROWBOWTECH111111111111111111111111111111111111111111 ZOMG1111111111111111111111111111111111 Honestly? It's just a sound bite...If those kids are actually screaming like school girls...I would recommend they see a mental health professional.
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