nightmareB4macross Posted January 6, 2012 Posted January 6, 2012 Officially it's because the VF-0 and Sv-51 both use conventional jet engines which are larger than the VF-1's magic fusion engines. Valkyries are pretty all over the place in terms of size. Just like real fighter jets. But didn't SDF-M always emphasize the reason the VF-1 was as tall as it was, only to combat aliens of the same size, more or less? It just makes sense to keep the VF-1 the size of the VF-0 rather than shrink it to accomodate smaller engines.
VF5SS Posted January 6, 2012 Posted January 6, 2012 (edited) Seriously? Not a single tampo printed marking on a toy that expensive? Sorry, but that is just not ok. I'm sorry the toy can't hear you over the sound of how uh-maze-ing it is. Stealth bros fo' life But didn't SDF-M always emphasize the reason the VF-1 was as tall as it was, only to combat aliens of the same size, more or less?It just makes sense to keep the VF-1 the size of the VF-0 rather than shrink it to accomodate smaller engines. the justification for them was a pretty basic line about having Battroids to fight giants. There was nothing specific about how big. Valkyries and the VF-1 especially are supposed to be bigger than most Zentradi anyways. It's just Britai (and other random guys) who are bigger. you know what was so radical seeing DD's Sv-51 invade the Asuka II because it was a giant awesome Edited January 6, 2012 by VF5SS
Archer Posted January 6, 2012 Posted January 6, 2012 But didn't SDF-M always emphasize the reason the VF-1 was as tall as it was, only to combat aliens of the same size, more or less? It just makes sense to keep the VF-1 the size of the VF-0 rather than shrink it to accomodate smaller engines. I think, at least in terms of Macross Universe, the fusion reactors used for the engines were smaller, and thus allowed the UN Spacy to make smaller and more compact jets, which if you think about it, will not only be *more* maneuverable, but a lot cheaper as well for mass production. In terms of real life though, the translation from VF-0 to VF-1 honestly doesn't make sense, and everyone knows it. It SDFM, 3 levers were used for transformation, where as in M0, a flight stick is simple swiveled up or down (like in MF). The sensors and HUD systems in the VF-0 are ages beyond the tech in SDFM, and even the designs look well developed from the VF-1, and not the other way around. Just kind of have to deal with it I guess....
Agent-GHQ Posted January 6, 2012 Posted January 6, 2012 (edited) Damn, not bad! But Im in no hurry to get this either Edited January 6, 2012 by Agent-GHQ
Agent-GHQ Posted January 6, 2012 Posted January 6, 2012 Seriously? Not a single tampo printed marking on a toy that expensive? Sorry, but that is just not ok. Wouldn't that defeat the purpose of a STEALTH fighter?! Not that the yellow strips made any sense either. Just sayin here
VF5SS Posted January 6, 2012 Posted January 6, 2012 (edited) *neeeeeeeeeeeeeeeerd* Well that's what happens when you make an anime in 1982 about the state of technology in 2009 and then go back and make an anime in 2002 about the state of technology in 2008 based on what you did in 1982. Three levers are lame. Everyone knows it which is why the everything uses the DYRL style flip throttle now and forever. because it is awesome Also the VF-0 had a regular glass HUD which the proper VF-1 (DYRL fo' life) did not have. And it was the only Valkyrie to have an on screen vulnerability of having to be refueled at inopportune times. Plus the HUD just let it target and shoot missiles which all the Valkyries did anyways. continuity maintained Edited January 6, 2012 by VF5SS
eugimon Posted January 6, 2012 Posted January 6, 2012 I think, at least in terms of Macross Universe, the fusion reactors used for the engines were smaller, and thus allowed the UN Spacy to make smaller and more compact jets, which if you think about it, will not only be *more* maneuverable, but a lot cheaper as well for mass production. In terms of real life though, the translation from VF-0 to VF-1 honestly doesn't make sense, and everyone knows it. It SDFM, 3 levers were used for transformation, where as in M0, a flight stick is simple swiveled up or down (like in MF). The sensors and HUD systems in the VF-0 are ages beyond the tech in SDFM, and even the designs look well developed from the VF-1, and not the other way around. Just kind of have to deal with it I guess.... well, there could be a lot in continuity explanations for a lot of that.. kinda like with concept vs production cars. We've seen concept cars with digital windshields that have IR night vision displays integrated in, drive-by-wire steering, all sorts of neat stuff. And then the production model comes out and it has the same old same old inside. Or some company will show up at a trade show with some super high tech gizmo that everyone drools over but they won't be able to mass produce it for another 5 years. The vf-0 was supposed to be a test bed... so it's perfectly reasonable to just go with that and say that while stuff like wrap around displays were possible, they just weren't affordable for the mass produced vf-1.
VF5SS Posted January 7, 2012 Posted January 7, 2012 plus the canopy display the VF-0 had just let the pilot see out of the robot which is what the VF-1 monitors did anywayz
eugimon Posted January 7, 2012 Posted January 7, 2012 (edited) yup, it's all just really fancy versions of stuff that's in the vf-1. It's not like the vf-0 was rocking a PPB or something else really anachronistic. Edited January 7, 2012 by eugimon
VF5SS Posted January 7, 2012 Posted January 7, 2012 well it did have an arrestor hook that didn't suck not that it needed it
UN Spacy Posted January 7, 2012 Posted January 7, 2012 It's very close to Model Master Neutral Grey from the looks of it... Thanks.
Omegablue Posted January 7, 2012 Posted January 7, 2012 It looks stunning. His view in the cockpit will be obstructing by the flashes from the guns shooting?
Raptor One Posted January 7, 2012 Posted January 7, 2012 (edited) I think, at least in terms of Macross Universe, the fusion reactors used for the engines were smaller, and thus allowed the UN Spacy to make smaller and more compact jets, which if you think about it, will not only be *more* maneuverable, but a lot cheaper as well for mass production. In terms of real life though, the translation from VF-0 to VF-1 honestly doesn't make sense, and everyone knows it. It SDFM, 3 levers were used for transformation, where as in M0, a flight stick is simple swiveled up or down (like in MF). The sensors and HUD systems in the VF-0 are ages beyond the tech in SDFM, and even the designs look well developed from the VF-1, and not the other way around. Just kind of have to deal with it I guess.... Well the VF-0 was designed after the VF-X series started production, and used as a test bed for more advanced technologies so it does make some sense that it would have features that wouldn't be implemented until later VFs. Edit: Just realized this has all been said already. That's what happens when you don't finish reading the thread before replying lol. Edited January 7, 2012 by Raptor One
s001 Posted January 7, 2012 Posted January 7, 2012 Plus the vf-1 is prettier than the vf-0 and this is going waaaay off topic anyway.
Mommar Posted January 7, 2012 Posted January 7, 2012 I was about to say, none of this has anything to do with the VF-17, which is awesome looking in Battroid by-the-way.
Actar Posted January 7, 2012 Posted January 7, 2012 I raelly, really want to pick one up now, but I have absolutely zero disposeable income. How long did the VF-19 take to get discounted?
Graham Posted January 7, 2012 Posted January 7, 2012 Rearranged my bedroom shelves. I love Macross 7 mecha And to keep it on topic, the VF-17S rocks! Graham
derex3592 Posted January 7, 2012 Posted January 7, 2012 those all do look REALLY awesome when together like that Graham!
VF5SS Posted January 7, 2012 Posted January 7, 2012 check it same height with only a slightly higher crotch on the Blazer
Uxi Posted January 7, 2012 Posted January 7, 2012 they went way too far with how advanced the VF-0 was, but also with the SV-51, as well. They should have kept it a "period" piece and maybe had the sort of technology we'd see in the ATF (YF-23/YF-22) not the near Macross Plus level technology. My biggest nitpick was always the VF-19 crystal-style FLIR sensors. If they were going to do a Macross reboot, I imagined we'd be all VF-0, though.
VF5SS Posted January 7, 2012 Posted January 7, 2012 but the Sv-51 has lift jets there's nothing more old timey and Russian than lift jets
eugimon Posted January 7, 2012 Posted January 7, 2012 vf-0 has swing bars. Nothing says ye olde fashioned like swing bars.
Reïvaj Posted January 8, 2012 Posted January 8, 2012 vf-0 has swing bars. Nothing says ye olde fashioned like swing bars.
UN Spacy Posted January 8, 2012 Posted January 8, 2012 What a perv. BTW...getting the intakes back into position...like Graham said...take it slow. I didn't have a single gouge or poke. WHEW.
ErikElvis Posted January 8, 2012 Posted January 8, 2012 I really don't mind the difference in size from the 19 and the 17. Actually I kinda like it. I see the 19 as being a kind of wiry little fighter and the 17 as a frankenstein. maybe like a Napoleon vs King Henry VIII
miriya Posted January 8, 2012 Posted January 8, 2012 I really want to see this guy from Yamato: AGREED! Who made this one.
Mommar Posted January 8, 2012 Posted January 8, 2012 Here's a pic I took of my 17 and 19 back to back. My display really needs some lighting.
VF5SS Posted January 8, 2012 Posted January 8, 2012 That VF-171 is this http://www.fg-site.net/products/37295 It's a Wonder Fest resin kit that uses Revoltech joints. recast plz
UN Spacy Posted January 9, 2012 Posted January 9, 2012 Graham. Do you know if Yamato has plans to include fold booster struts with the Fast Pack? Can we possibly get a Sivil figure with that? What happened to that Mylene figure that was supposed to come with Speaker Pod Gamma? How's that progressing along?
VF-18S Hornet Posted January 9, 2012 Posted January 9, 2012 Geez had to make my way down to the reply menu, just to say I got great news. Fed Ex is going to deliver my VF-17S tomorrow cause it has just arrived in the Newark, NJ sort facillity and not Memphis Like my 19 did. So it's going to arrive on time. Graham. Do you know if Yamato has plans to include fold booster struts with the Fast Pack? Can we possibly get a Sivil figure with that? What happened to that Mylene figure that was supposed to come with Speaker Pod Gamma? How's that progressing along? HUH???? :huh: Come again, Speaker pod Gamma?
UN Spacy Posted January 9, 2012 Posted January 9, 2012 Geez had to make my way down to the reply menu, just to say I got great news. Fed Ex is going to deliver my VF-17S tomorrow cause it has just arrived in the Newark, NJ sort facillity and not Memphis Like my 19 did. So it's going to arrive on time. HUH???? :huh: Come again, Speaker pod Gamma? Did I stutter?
VF-18S Hornet Posted January 9, 2012 Posted January 9, 2012 (edited) Did I stutter? Oh that. Give me a break just came back home from a five hour trip from Pittsburgh. Edited January 9, 2012 by VF-18S Hornet
ErikElvis Posted January 9, 2012 Posted January 9, 2012 VF-18S Hornet your should be here by now as mine came today! Im also in Delaware. But I'm gonna sleep a bit more then get up to play.
Golden Arms Posted January 9, 2012 Posted January 9, 2012 Is there a markings diagram for the vf-17s somewhere?
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