The computer and electronics super geek thread

[mikeszekely]

9 minutes ago, pengbuzz said:

You'd think they'd care about sales...

They do, just not sales to us.  They care about selling to data centers, who spent about $115 billion on Nvidia's chips last year.  By contrast, their gaming-focused products made around $11 billion.

[JB0]

The AI bubble can't pop soon enough.

[davidwhangchoi]

 

[mikeszekely]

Well, the reviews are coming in. Ray tracing has improved, as has FSR, though FSR isn't as widely supported and ray tracing is still behind Nvidia's, especially if the game uses path tracing. But for raw performance the 9070XT is pretty on par with the RTX 5070ti for $150 less. If buses partners can keep them in stock at MSRP, I might be switching to Team Red for the first time in around 20 years. 

The 9070 is a bit of a head scratcher, though. It's not actually bad, and on paper looks to compete with the non-ti 5070, but it's priced so closely to the XT version that you might as well spend the extra $50. If they dropped the price another $50 it'd be a compelling budget choice.

[azrael]

Better RT performance but still not on par with Nvidia. Better AI performance than previous gen, but still not better than Nvidia. Beats the 5070 and is parity with the 5070Ti in rasterization. FSR is....FSR. 9070 XT is the better buy vs 5070Ti. Will need to watch the video reviews for the nuances but....

Yeah, the 9070 XT may be my next card. Assuming it stays at $599 USD and stays in stock.

 

[davidwhangchoi]

Spoiler

edit; been in and out stock all day now

5070 ti restocks happening at the hour

have a $999 card in my cart at the moment. (not buying it)

https://www.bestbuy.com/site/asus-tuf-gaming-nvidia-geforce-rtx-5070-ti-oc-edition-16gb-gddr7-pci-express-5-0-graphics-card-black/6614743.p?skuId=6614743

Gone after a good 2 hours of being up been in and out of stock all day.

that's a good sign people are waiting AMD's 9700XT's to drop tomorrow. 

Spoiler

$750 card has yet to drop if you want to lottery f5 

https://www.bestbuy.com/site/pny-geforce-rtx-5070-ti-16gb-oc-gddr7-pci-express-5-0-graphics-card-with-triple-fan-black/6620367.p?skuId=6620367

I'm curious how the 9700 XT orders will go tomorrow. pretty excited to see that. 

 

Edited Wednesday at 10:06 PM by davidwhangchoi

[Test_Pilot_2]

Just read through a bunch of reviews. The 9700xt is pretty awesome at its price point, but my 7900xt is too close... Maybe if Microcenter lets me trade up at a good rate, but not expecting that.

Good showing by AMD, but like some have said - who is the 9700 for in this lineup?

[JB0]

7 hours ago, mikeszekely said:

The 9070 is a bit of a head scratcher, though. It's not actually bad, and on paper looks to compete with the non-ti 5070, but it's priced so closely to the XT version that you might as well spend the extra $50. If they dropped the price another $50 it'd be a compelling budget choice.

The 9070 mostly exists to make the 9070XT look like a better deal.

This has sort of been part of AMD's Radeon strategy the last few years, and it is frustrating to see them do it every time. Especially since they have a track record of lowering the suggested price within a month of launch.

[mikeszekely]

The price of the 9070XT is set so that you look at it and the price of a RTX 5070ti and say, "this is clearly the better deal!"

The price of the 9070 is set so that, after they sell through the XTs, people desperate for a GPU will say, "it's almost as good" and pay the $550, until AMD caves and lowers the price.  They did almost this exact same thing a generation or two ago.

[davidwhangchoi]

It looks like the 9700XT supply will be decent at launch and even better news, is every weekend there will be shipments of the 9700 XT so supply will be steady if you can't get one on launch day.

screw you Nvidia and your bullcrap paper launches.

His retail sources are reliable.  This channel was the first to leak the PS5 Pro specs in which DF confirmed. 

Edited Thursday at 05:04 AM by davidwhangchoi

[azrael]

7 hours ago, mikeszekely said:

The price of the 9070XT is set so that you look at it and the price of a RTX 5070ti and say, "this is clearly the better deal!"

The price of the 9070 is set so that, after they sell through the XTs, people desperate for a GPU will say, "it's almost as good" and pay the $550, until AMD caves and lowers the price.  They did almost this exact same thing a generation or two ago.

As the saying goes, "AMD never misses an opportunity to miss an opportunity." If they priced the 9070 at $500 (6-12 months from now it probably will), it would probably be recommended as the low-end of the mid-range cards. As it stands, all we can say is, "It exists. But the 9070 XT is the better value."

[davidwhangchoi]

Just a few hours before pre-orders, here's a review of the 9070 non XT variant.

 

[kajnrig]

18 hours ago, azrael said:

As the saying goes, "AMD never misses an opportunity to miss an opportunity." If they priced the 9070 at $500 (6-12 months from now it probably will), it would probably be recommended as the low-end of the mid-range cards. As it stands, all we can say is, "It exists. But the 9070 XT is the better value."

Is it them missing an opportunity? 9070 XTs have sold out at MSRP, the only ones you can find are $700+ with new stock expected to be relatively expensive as well; 5070 Tis are $900+ so immediately out of the question; and 5070s are expected to have incredibly limited stock and also immediately skyrocket in price. 9070s will be comparatively in stock and at MSRP while everything else is marked up and/or out of stock.

If it's all that's available, and it actually holds somewhat to MSRP, then... 🤷‍♂️ ??? (EDIT: Of course, expecting them to hold to MSRP is a big ask...)

Given the GPU market is this way and has been this way for forever now, I think I'm extra convinced to just grab that Framework Desktop Strix Halo board instead.

Edited Friday at 02:13 AM by kajnrig

[mikeszekely]

42 minutes ago, kajnrig said:

Given the GPU market is this way and has been this way for forever now, I think I'm extra convinced to just grab that Framework Desktop Strix Halo board instead.

I'm planning to buy a Zephyrus G14 with an RTX 5070ti when they're available, then waiting until fall to worry about my desktop.  The RTX 4070 I have isn't bad, I can get 60-100 FPS in most of the games at 5120x1440.  My Core-i7-9700K's been the real bottleneck.

[davidwhangchoi]

Well, i hope everyone that wanted one got their order in, there still some non XT in stock as of now 10:17pm PST.

won't bother linking as it's been restocking all day for multiple cards unlike Nvidia.  

Edited Friday at 06:18 AM by davidwhangchoi

[azrael]

No need to rush my upgrade. I'll wait till things die down. But my price alert notifications are set in case they go on sale.

I’d also be weary of any Nvidia card coming into stock right now. Who knows when the non-defective cards will reach shelves. Nvidia may have fixed the manufacturing defect, but they didn’t give specifics on which batch(es) are affected. Any open-box RTX  50-series is probably one of the defective cards.

5 hours ago, kajnrig said:

5070 Tis are $900+ so immediately out of the question; and 5070s are expected to have incredibly limited stock and also immediately skyrocket in price. 9070s will be comparatively in stock and at MSRP while everything else is marked up and/or out of stock.

If it's all that's available, and it actually holds somewhat to MSRP, then... 🤷‍♂️ ??? (EDIT: Of course, expecting them to hold to MSRP is a big ask...)

Honestly, the only reason 5070 are disappearing is because they are getting scalped. *Looks at ebay* Yup. This 5070 that we see now is like a high-end-of-the-silicon lottery- RTX 5060Ti Super Duper.

[Test_Pilot_2]

RTX 5060Ti Super Duper

OK, I laughed at that harder than I should have. Street fighter vibes.

On another note - my pops wanted to update mobo/cpu/ram on top of his other Christmas updates. Everything was fine, posted, started the update process. Temps running fine 7700x between 38-41, 70 while updating. Noticed some sluggishness that I thought was odd, but not alarming.

Updates complete, including a bios update, shut down, plug in RGBs to mobo header, dead. Everything fires up, no post, solid red on the CPU LED. Toubleshoot everything, clear CMOS, no dice.

Ping Microcenter, explain what went down, they just said bring the whole combo back and they'd give me a new one. Those guys are awesome. Dude was like we could do a diagnostic for a fee to figure out what went wrong, but with all the possible things I'd just do the exchange.

I built two similar PC's for Christmas for folks and both worked fine. I thought they were the easiest builds ever. My disdain for RGB makes me think something went sideways with that. RGB is the devil... At the same time, that sluggishness was odd, too. Who knows. I wonder if this happens more often than I realize - the dude's tone was alot of "here we go again."

[JB0]

5 hours ago, azrael said:

I’d also be weary of any Nvidia card coming into stock right now. Who knows when the non-defective cards will reach shelves. Nvidia may have fixed the manufacturing defect, but they didn’t give specifics on which batch(es) are affected. Any open-box RTX  50-series is probably one of the defective cards.

The latest is the RTX 5K laptop chips have also been affected. I have doubts that nVidia is anywhere near as in-control of this as they claim.

[kajnrig]

11 hours ago, mikeszekely said:

I'm planning to buy a Zephyrus G14 with an RTX 5070ti when they're available, then waiting until fall to worry about my desktop.  The RTX 4070 I have isn't bad, I can get 60-100 FPS in most of the games at 5120x1440.  My Core-i7-9700K's been the real bottleneck.

6 hours ago, azrael said:

I'd also be weary of any Nvidia card coming into stock right now. Who knows when the non-defective cards will reach shelves. Nvidia may have fixed the manufacturing defect, but they didn’t give specifics on which batch(es) are affected. Any open-box RTX  50-series is probably one of the defective cards.

36 minutes ago, JB0 said:

The latest is the RTX 5K laptop chips have also been affected. I have doubts that nVidia is anywhere near as in-control of this as they claim.

 The Jarrod'sTech YT page just uploaded a video about this. Tl;dr - Publicly, Nvidia says laptop chips aren't affected; behind the scenes, they're asking laptop makers to check laptop GPUs (in some cases on completed, boxed, to-be-shipped laptops) for missing ROPs.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pou_chA9FZE

Additionally, KitGuruTech wrote about a potential scam where at least one store are withholding RTX 5000 stock from those who have already paid for them and/or claiming there's a RTX 5000 recall, so that they can mark them up and sell them for more.

https://www.kitguru.net/components/graphic-cards/zardon/bought-an-rtx5090-be-aware-of-etailer-price-hiking-scams/

Edited Friday at 02:12 PM by kajnrig

[JB0]

7 hours ago, kajnrig said:

Publicly, Nvidia says laptop chips aren't affected; behind the scenes, they're asking laptop makers to check laptop GPUs (in some cases on completed, boxed, to-be-shipped laptops) for missing ROPs.

I mean, they also said it only hit the 5090 and 5070Ti, then almost immediately we saw defective 5080 cards.  And  that it's a 5% performance difference, when it's more like 12%(and really, different for each chip since they lose a different % of total ROPs).

And that it was 0.5% of chips, which I'm skeptical of given how fast defects were found.

 

I don't trust anything nVidia says on the matter.

[mikeszekely]

8 minutes ago, JB0 said:

I don't trust anything nVidia says on the matter.

Or any other matter, really.