mikeszekely Posted January 20 Posted January 20 39 minutes ago, azrael said: Me? I'm sticking to IPS only because my productivity usage far outweighs my gaming and content consumption. Also DP 2.1 has cable signaling issues and I run 6ft cables due to my monitor arms (yes, I'm aware of HDMI 2.2). And seeing as I read a lot, text fringing would annoy me (but I hear that new 27" 4k 240Hz OLED panel that showed up at CES has really made this a non-issue). I think if you're primarily doing productivity, yeah, IPS is probably the better way to go. For what it's worth, though, I don't notice any text fringing on my G9 OLED. I'm not claiming it's not there, mind you. Just that, from where I sit (two to three feet away, with my eyes level with the top third of the display) at 1440p and the scaling set to 100% I'm just not seeing it. It's possible that I might if I got up closer, but as I'm now in my mid-40s* I'd need reading glasses anyway. *I joined MW when I was in college. It's weird to think that there are people here I've been talking to for basically my whole adult life yet I've never met any of you in person. Quote
azrael Posted January 20 Author Posted January 20 1 hour ago, davidwhangchoi said: how many nits is your IPS monitor and what do you think is the bare minimum for a bright lit room or outdoor usage? My IPS screen is about 500 nits at max, i'm comfortable with it but wondering if i should go brighter. Gaming IPS is 400 nits. My WFH monitor for my work laptop does a max of 350 nits. Both are still completely usable in my bright sunlight drench room even at 25% brightness. Bare minimum is 300 nits in a brightly lit indoor environment. 500 nits is definitely good enough, unless you are viewing HDR content. The best factor, though, is location. My back and monitors are not facing a window so, thankfully, I don't catch any glare. If you don't think its bright enough, consider rearranging furniture so you are indirectly getting light. Unless you are in a basement with no windows, in which case, move lights around as well as furniture. Or find something you to use as a divider to deflect some light. Quote
kajnrig Posted January 20 Posted January 20 12 hours ago, azrael said: That being said, the conventional wisdom still applies, if you are mainly doing productivity, go with IPS or VA panels. Content consumption & gaming? Go OLED. What's the advantage of IPS/VA over OLED for productivity? Quote
mikeszekely Posted January 20 Posted January 20 8 minutes ago, kajnrig said: What's the advantage of IPS/VA over OLED for productivity? It's not so much that IPS/VA has advantages as much as OLED has disadvantages in that area. 1. As discussed, long-term display of static images can lead to image retention or burn-in on OLED displays. 2. Due to the different way OLED subpixels are laid out Windows TrueType fonts can have fringing issues when displayed on OLED. 3. OLED tends to be more expensive (though not always). Then it comes down to the fact that most of OLED's advantages are a boon for gaming and content consumption but have little bearing on productivity; better contrast, wider color gamut, true blacks, high refresh rates, less motion blur, wider viewing angles, etc. If you're playing a modern video game or watching a movie in HDR then the picture quality of OLED just can't be beat. This isn't to say that you can't use an OLED for productivity. I definitely do productivity work on my desktop, and frankly the 32:9 aspect ratio (it's basically like two 16:9 27" monitors side-by-side) and Windows Snap is pretty great for the stuff I do. But the thing is, I maybe put 4 hours of gaming in for every hour of productivity I do on my desktop, assuming I'm not just surfing the internet on something like the M1 MacBook I'm currently typing this on from the living room instead. But if you're not really using your display for gaming then cons of OLED start to outweigh the pros. Quote
kajnrig Posted January 20 Posted January 20 Oh yeah, for whatever reason my mind just completely skipped over burn-in despite literally reading your discussion on it two seconds earlier. Oof. Quote
azrael Posted January 20 Author Posted January 20 17 minutes ago, kajnrig said: What's the advantage of IPS/VA over OLED for productivity? A few reasons. Consistency. IPS panels color reproduction and accuracy, viewing angles are very consistent. OLED can do this as well, but over time, the organic material in OLED will begin to degrade. Keep in mind I'm talking about hundreds of thousand hours of use (for the majority of folks, we're talking 3...5...maybe 6 years of usage). My workplace still has IPS monitors from 10+ years ago still in service. For productivity, long-term usage and ROI are taken into account. IPS will deliver on that. Text. OLED subpixel layouts are arranged in a way which has a tendency to cause fringing. This looks like the text on-screen has little hairs. As you get closer, the pixels get more jagged. As you get closer to where you can see the actual pixels, you'll see what causes that fringing. WOLED is a little better at this but that fringing becomes a blurring effect to smooth out the fringing. So you end up with a blurry-effect on text. Overtime, this will probably give you a headache. Not ideal if you are reading text all day. Long-term durability. We've talked about burn-in. Productivity usually involves lots of static images and text on-screen. OLED, while the effect can be mitigated, it will still occur over time. A single 8-hour day will not cause burn-in. Neither will a single 40-hour work week or work month. A year of constant usage? Maybe. 2-3 years? Possibly. Over time, the risk of burn-in increases. As long as you use anti-burn-in features, an OLED panel will likely last for years and years. It's not to say you cannot use OLED for productivity. But over time, the down-sides of OLED may impact your work. IPS doesn't have that problem. Quote
JB0 Posted January 20 Posted January 20 Of course, if you're like me and disable subpixel anti-aliasing because it is garbage doesn't work for you anyways, you don't have to care about the subpixel layout. Hooray! Quote
davidwhangchoi Posted January 22 Posted January 22 For those wanted prices to build a desktop with a 5090 5080, here you go: below quote: US prices for AIB RTX 5080 and RTX 5090 GPUs listed early by B&H RTX 5090 Asus ROG Astral OC: $2799.99 MSI GAMING TRIO OC: $2349.99 MSI SUPRIM LIQUID SOC: $2499.99 MSI SUPRIM SOC: $2399.99 Asus TUF GAMING: $2449.99 MSI VENTUS 3X OC: $2199.99 MSI VANGUARD SOC LAUNCH EDITION: $2379.99 MSI VANGUARD SOC: $2379.99 RTX 5080: Asus TUF GAMING OC: $1699.99 Asus ROG Astral OC: $1899.99 MSI GAMING TRIO OC: $1199.99 MSI GAMING TRIO OC (white): $1199.99 Asus PRIME: $1399.99 Asus PRIME OC: $1499.99 MSI VENTUS 3X OC PLUS: $1139.99 Gigabyte GAMING OC: $1199.99 Gigabyte WINDFORCE SFF: $1369.99 MSI SUPRIM SOC: $1249.99 MSI SUPRIM LIQUID SOC: $1299.99 PCPartPicker scrapped the prices before they were removed Important to note that there are no prices at "MSRP" as of now, so the FE stands alone at this moment. I imagine they were have some limited quantities at MSRP for the launch window, though. Quote
Test_Pilot_2 Posted January 23 Posted January 23 Ordered a set of Viture Pro XRs for travel that arrived yesterday. I am blown away by what they can do. The picture is spectacular - I'm not quite the right fit for the included nose fittings and I don't want to bend size 4 into oblivion so I ordered some adhesive pads to get me the .4-.6 I need to fit them just right. Plug and play for my ROG Ally X, laptop, cell phone... so far checks the box for all my use cases. Watched Macross Plus, played Path of Exile 2 for a couple of hours on them, and putzed around in windows and dex... Only thing I think I'd prefer to do on a regular screen right now would be work and school stuff. It handles productivity software just fine, but it does cause straining. Software is janky, but treating them like an external monitor is simple enough. Right now my corners are just a tiny bit blurry because they don't fit precisely right, but once the pads come in they'll be perfect. These will help on some long flights coming up. Excited to play the PC versions of the FF7 remake on them. Quote
TangledThorns Posted January 23 Posted January 23 No surprise on the nVidia card prices. I'm sure there will be initial gouging but this isn't 2022 anymore so it shouldn't last I bet. Quote
kajnrig Posted January 23 Posted January 23 32 minutes ago, TangledThorns said: No surprise on the nVidia card prices. I'm sure there will be initial gouging but this isn't 2022 anymore so it shouldn't last I bet. Stock is supposedly extremely limited anyway, so it might last longer than you think. Anyway, reviews are in. I'm seeing average uplift of 20-30%, up to 50% in odd cases. So... actually ever so slightly less than the power/core/etc. increase would leave you to expect (which doesn't signal good news for the cards down the stack), and certainly no 2x, 3x, etc. from their marketing. Still, 20-30% is 20-30%. Here's hoping the 12V2x6 connector is finally fixed, though I don't expect miracles. Quote
TangledThorns Posted January 23 Posted January 23 (edited) Yeah... RIP to the schmucks's wallets that buy a 5090. I'm more interested in the 5080 since that's what I'm looking to buy in my new complete build. My current rig has a RTX2060 and I really want to try playing new games in 4K. Edited January 23 by TangledThorns Quote
azrael Posted January 23 Author Posted January 23 The RTX 5090 is a halo product. You are either playing at 4k at 120+fps (240fps with Frame Gen ), you have money to burn or you are running AI models locally. Most sane folks will not be paying the $2000+ price tag. That's a whole computer in the cost of 1 GPU. Anyways, I'm still sifting through the reviews. Quote
Test_Pilot_2 Posted January 23 Posted January 23 35 minutes ago, azrael said: The RTX 5090 is a halo product. You are either playing at 4k at 120+fps (240fps with Frame Gen ), you have money to burn or you are running AI models locally. Most sane folks will not be paying the $2000+ price tag. That's a whole computer in the cost of 1 GPU. Anyways, I'm still sifting through the reviews. But... But... it's so FANCY! Gotta get all the RGB on it, too. Makes it go faster like the autoparts stickers on cars. I'm paying close attention to the rumor mill on the 9070xt. Pricing ranging from $479-620, performing at a level of a 7900xt, but with much stronger ray tracing. Would be a no-brainer sidegrade for me if it's true. $479 is a pipe dream, but if AMD does that it'll be like Sony throwing the PS1 gauntlet at the Sega Saturn. We'll see. Quote
mikeszekely Posted January 24 Posted January 24 14 hours ago, Test_Pilot_2 said: Ordered a set of Viture Pro XRs for travel that arrived yesterday. I had a pair of the original Vitures, I gave them to my wife and upgraded to the Pros over the holidays. Yeah, I think it'd be good if they made the frames a few mm wider and the nose piece a bit more adjustable, but I'm quite happy with them. The screen is much brighter and the electrochromic effect better than the originals. They're not the comfiest for productivity, but the blurring at the edges isn't nearly as bad as the originals. For gaming and watching media having a big private screen beats squinting at the Ally X's built-in display. My only real complaint is that the speakers in them seem kind of weak, like worse than the original's. I guess that's what earbuds are for, but the batteries quit charging on my LinkBuds. Waiting to see if Sony's going to launch WF-1000XM6s this year. As for the RTX 5090 reviews... it's a little better than I expected, about 30%-ish improvement on average over the 4090. DLSS continues to be quite good, and Nvidia continues to dominate at Ray Tracing. Multi-Frame Gen seems better than the original Frame Gen, but still causes artifacts that are more noticeable when boosting from lower framerates, meaning it works best when you're already getting playable framerates and don't really need it. One of the reviewers I was watching mentioned that there was a big gap between the 4080 and the 4090 already, and that the 5060-5080 might have better bumps over their 40-series siblings than the 5090 did, so I'm more curious to see how those shake out. For me, I'm thinking maybe the 5070ti might be my sweet spot. With games like Indiana Jones and now Doom: The Dark Ages requiring Ray Tracing I just don't feel comfortable buying an AMD card. But I hope the 9070 family is good and affordable. Nvidia needs some kind of competition. Quote
JB0 Posted January 24 Posted January 24 Review I just saw of the 5090 summed it up depressingly well. 25% performance uplift vs a 4090 for a 25% increased power draw and a 25% increased MSRP. I miss the days when a new generation meant it worked better and the price for a given performance level went down. Quote
azrael Posted January 25 Author Posted January 25 Some things I noticed in the reviews (glad a few pointed them out). Performance at 1080p and 1440p was not that spectacular vs the significant gain in 4k. Since the process node is the same as the 4090, I wonder if performance has plateau'd at those resolutions or Nvidia is capping performance at lower resolutions. Power spikes were mainly in the 700W range with some outliers reaching close to 800W. What worries me is with that much power, we might see burnt power plug issues as we did with the 4090. That's a lot of electricity being pulled through those wires. And the 12VHPWR was only designed for 600W-ish. The PCI slot only can pull 200W-ish and the rest comes from the power plug. Nvidia seems to be pulling an Intel and just pushing more electricity through that thing. It feels like a recipe for failure. If the FE has such a small cooler vs the AIB partners' over-engineered heatsinks and fans. We'll see more AIB-partner card reviews coming out in the weeks ahead but I wonder if it make a different to thermals (As of writing, I know Hardware Unboxed posted an AIB card review. I just haven't watched it yet). Quote
davidwhangchoi Posted January 25 Posted January 25 (edited) the 5090 card is the only one worth it... to scalp to the AI crowd. make some good money jk, with the looming threat of tariffs, i'll be surprised if the 5080 and 90 cards doesn't go 50-100% above the FE's. i'm going to have to hold out a bit to build desktop with a nvidia 5080 or 90 card Edited January 25 by davidwhangchoi Quote
kajnrig Posted January 25 Posted January 25 (edited) On the subject of power and thermals, - I'm guessing you've already seen Igor's Lab's investigation, which indicates sub-1ms spikes of over 900 watts. I'm not sure if that's enough to trigger OCP or your breakers or what, but there it is. - Nvidia have apparently removed the hot spot sensor on the 5090... but it's apparently a bit of a controversial sensor (suite) anyway, so seems like a bit of a lateral move maybe. - More concerning about the FE cards is that the memory temps seem to be relatively high as a result of the new FE cooler design - 95 degrees compared to AIBs' 70-85. All in all, everything about the power draw, heat dissipation decisions, the connector choice, etc., leaves me mildly concerned about the longevity of the card. EDIT: Just for perspective, 600-900 watts is actual space heater territory. Edited January 25 by kajnrig Quote
David Hingtgen Posted January 28 Posted January 28 Definitely overdue for a new OS SSD. I'm looking for the most reliable, longest-lasting one I think. Performance is secondary (all SSD's are fast). Probably just 1TB. (If I go for 2, I'd probably just make that my new storage one, and convert my current 1TB storage into my OS one). On that note---I really don't feel like reinstalling EVERYTHING. Do cloning programs etc really work? As in, Windows won't freak out, or python paths etc. It's truly a clone, and everything should work? ::edit:: I've always had Samsung ones in my PCs, but am open to trying others. Quote
azrael Posted January 28 Author Posted January 28 On 1/25/2025 at 8:28 AM, kajnrig said: I'm guessing you've already seen Igor's Lab's investigation, which indicates sub-1ms spikes of over 900 watts. I'm not sure if that's enough to trigger OCP or your breakers or what, but there it is. I doubt it it will trigger OCP at sub-1ms spikes. BUT, I suspect that we may see 4090-melting power plug issues also with the 5090 On 1/25/2025 at 8:28 AM, kajnrig said: Just for perspective, 600-900 watts is actual space heater territory. A space heater also has more thermal mass versus a video card power cable. 3 hours ago, David Hingtgen said: Definitely overdue for a new OS SSD. I'm looking for the most reliable, longest-lasting one I think. Performance is secondary (all SSD's are fast). Probably just 1TB. (If I go for 2, I'd probably just make that my new storage one, and convert my current 1TB storage into my OS one). On that note---I really don't feel like reinstalling EVERYTHING. Do cloning programs etc really work? As in, Windows won't freak out, or python paths etc. It's truly a clone, and everything should work? ::edit:: I've always had Samsung ones in my PCs, but am open to trying others. NVMe or SATA-based? I'll assume the former. Samsung 990 Pro. WD Black SN850X. Crucial T500. SK Hynix P41 Platinum. Those would be your "Pro" or I would say, your boot-drive SSDs. Budget drives would be the WD Blue SN850 or the Samsung 990 EVO/EVO+. I would just stick to Gen 4 drives. Gen 3 if you can still find them. Don't waste your time with Gen 5 drives since you would, honestly, need a Ryzen 9000 or Core Ultra CPU+mobo combo to actually take advantage of Gen 5 speeds (and even then, you still wouldn't be able to fully take advantage of Gen 5 speeds). Yes, you can clone your drive to a bigger SSD as long as you are keeping the same CPU+mobo. Use Clonezilla to do a disk-to-disk copy. Then expand the partition to fill the drive. You could, technically, re-use the drive on a different CPU+mobo, BUT you will need to uninstall/reinstall drivers and that doesn't always work since there is a tendency to leave bits behind here and there during the uninstall-process so you would end up with an unstable system. If you are also replacing the CPU+mobo with a new SSD, reinstall Windows from scratch. Only way to be sure. Quote
mikeszekely Posted January 28 Posted January 28 2 hours ago, David Hingtgen said: On that note---I really don't feel like reinstalling EVERYTHING. Do cloning programs etc really work? As in, Windows won't freak out, or python paths etc. It's truly a clone, and everything should work? Yes. I haven't tried Az's Clonezilla suggestion, but I've used EaseUS Partition Master to clone SSDs I've upgraded in laptops and an ROG Ally. It works basically like Az says, you use the software to clone the old drive onto the new, then expand the cloned partition to take up the extra space on the new drive. Quote
TangledThorns Posted January 28 Posted January 28 (edited) 9 hours ago, David Hingtgen said: Definitely overdue for a new OS SSD. I'm looking for the most reliable, longest-lasting one I think. Performance is secondary (all SSD's are fast). Probably just 1TB. (If I go for 2, I'd probably just make that my new storage one, and convert my current 1TB storage into my OS one). On that note---I really don't feel like reinstalling EVERYTHING. Do cloning programs etc really work? As in, Windows won't freak out, or python paths etc. It's truly a clone, and everything should work? ::edit:: I've always had Samsung ones in my PCs, but am open to trying others. What kind of SSD? 2,5in or NVME? This video has a great explanation on building a PC and the parts that go into it. As an experienced builder I found it interesting too. My 7 year old ADATA 1Tb Gen3x4 NVME M.2 is still doing great but I plan on buying a Western Digital Black Gen 4 NVME M.2 for my next build. 2Tb for OS/games/programs and maybe a 4Tb for media that may need processing. Game files are getting HUGE at 100Gb or more so having drive space will be needed. You may want to consider a fresh install with Windows 11 if your hardware supports it as Windows 10 support ends this October. If you have a fast PC and Internet connection then it shouldn't feel it takes a long time to reinstall all your programs. This is why I'm building a complete new PC this year as I'd rather not spend money on a new OS for an aging system. https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/lifecycle/products/windows-10-home-and-pro Edited January 28 by TangledThorns Quote
Test_Pilot_2 Posted January 28 Posted January 28 11 hours ago, David Hingtgen said: Definitely overdue for a new OS SSD. I'm looking for the most reliable, longest-lasting one I think. Performance is secondary (all SSD's are fast). Probably just 1TB. (If I go for 2, I'd probably just make that my new storage one, and convert my current 1TB storage into my OS one). On that note---I really don't feel like reinstalling EVERYTHING. Do cloning programs etc really work? As in, Windows won't freak out, or python paths etc. It's truly a clone, and everything should work? ::edit:: I've always had Samsung ones in my PCs, but am open to trying others. If you're near a microcenter, their inland drives are solid, too. Most SSDs will offer cloning/migration software with them. Not all SSDs are built equal for speed. When I first got my PS5 it was clear - you may want at least one high-end SSD for quality of life. Quote
anime52k8 Posted January 29 Posted January 29 I can't believe I'm saying this, but after looking at the new Doom specs I'm seriously thinking about building a new PC already. 🤡 Quote
TangledThorns Posted January 29 Posted January 29 11 hours ago, anime52k8 said: I can't believe I'm saying this, but after looking at the new Doom specs I'm seriously thinking about building a new PC already. 🤡 Already there however I'm wondering if I can save me the hassle of building my own with a pre-built instead. 5080 pre-builts are available to order and some of their prices aren't as high as I expected. Spec wise the price is about equal to what I have in pcpartpicker though I don't know the specific make/model of certain parts like RAM and PSU for example. Kinda tempting still. https://www.adorama.com/cyslc11040c...&utm_source=rflaid914457&utm_medium=affiliate https://www.ign.com/articles/preord...-5080-and-5090-prebuilt-gaming-pcs-at-adorama Quote
azrael Posted January 29 Author Posted January 29 RTX 5080 FE reviews are out. I'm still going over the video reviews. Written reviews only show only marginal gains over the RTX 4080 Super in rasterization. The biggest gains were using MFG (yeah, Nvidia is leaning hard on MFG in this generation). More power, marginal improvements. If you have a 4080 Super, it's not worth the upgrade. Quote
TangledThorns Posted January 29 Posted January 29 (edited) The more I read the 50xx reviews the more I'm disappointed. Apparently the new frame generation can still create artifacts and terrible input lag. I was originally planning on going 4K in my next complete build and may just dial it back to 1080p with eye candy and high FPS at native frames. Edited January 29 by TangledThorns Quote
jenius Posted January 29 Posted January 29 It's like a drink company touting their newest product as having 3x the artificial flavoring. Quote
davidwhangchoi Posted January 30 Posted January 30 (edited) The lag was expected. And nvidia's own charts showed it's a slight bump from the 40 series. I didn't want to steer anyone away from buying a new PC with a 50 series card since they may want to upgrade an old pc but it's pretty much the same as a 4080 super at the same price. With the inflated prices for the 50 series incoming it's not worth it. the 4080 itself was not a good buy... the 4080 super was pretty much a repackaged 4080 at a lower price point nvidia admitting they were too greedy and PC consumers are not as stupid as nvidia thought. the 5080 being the same power and price point of the 4080 super isn't going to move the needle. Everyone who drank nvidia marketing coolaid of the 5070 equals the 4090's performance B.S. believed the 5080 will surely surpass or match a 4090 and now coming back down to reality. at launch, the 5080 will be in shortage increasing scalpers and AIB's to raise prices on a not so great card. The only card that was worth it last gen was the 4090 as it was significantly stronger than the 3090 and it's reflected in the current market. the 5090 is worth it to resell if you can get your hands on it at it's close to the 4090's current 2k market price with AI being in demand. But as a gamer the 5090 is really not worth it. Edited January 30 by davidwhangchoi Quote
azrael Posted January 30 Author Posted January 30 31 minutes ago, davidwhangchoi said: I didn't want to steer anyone away from buying a new PC with a 50 series card since they may want to upgrade an old pc but it's pretty much the same as a 4080 super at the same price. With the inflated prices for the 50 series incoming it's not worth it. I'm waiting for a few more reviews to be posted. But the trend I see is, if you're coming from a 2000-series or earlier, the 5000-series MIGHT be worth it. I forgot who said it (maybe it was Jayz), but if you see a 4000-series and the 5000-series card on the shelf and the 4000-series is cheaper, you're probably gonna gravitate to the 4000-series. 3000-series holders could probably get by for another generation thanks to AIB-markup. If you find a FE card at MSRP, upgrading from a 3000-series MIGHT be worth it. 31 minutes ago, davidwhangchoi said: Everyone who drank nvidia marketing coolaid of the 5070 equals the 4090's performance B.S. believed the 5080 will surely surpass or match a 4090 and now coming back down to reality. Anyone who saw the slides and saw the small, barely legible footnote about using frame gen an could figure out where that performance bump was coming from. 39 minutes ago, davidwhangchoi said: at launch, the 5080 will be in shortage increasing scalpers and AIB's to raise prices on a not so great card. Scalpers are one issue but when an Asus ROG Astral OC 5080 will be marked at $1899.99 for the performance numbers we're seeing, is that <15% uplift from a 4080 Super really worth it? AIB cards are likely to only gain up to 5%...<10% at the most. If you're willing to pay $1900 for a OC'd 5080, I'd really question your judgement in not shelling out for a 5090. Quote
davidwhangchoi Posted January 30 Posted January 30 6 minutes ago, azrael said: Scalpers are one issue but when an Asus ROG Astral OC 5080 will be marked at $1899.99 for the performance numbers we're seeing, is that <15% uplift from a 4080 Super really worth it? AIB cards are likely to only gain up to 5%...<10% at the most. If you're willing to pay $1900 for a OC'd 5080, I'd really question your judgement in not shelling out for a 5090. It's not the AIB's fault, Nvidia is forcing AIB partners hands because of the razor thin margins nvidia is imposing. Which is why EVGA dropped out all together from making GPU's. AIB's who are trying to survive and feeling the squeeze from Nvidia's tactics are forced make this offerings to overcharge in order to survive. Nvidia will print out very limited FE's card at msrp as a paper launch. Good luck anyone trying to get a FE 5080 5090 at msrp, there won't be many and we won't see them unless the 5080 flops hard. Given that the market for a used 4080 super is about 1,200 at the moment, Expect the 5080 to be about 1200-1300 at launch. With the tariffs looming over our head, I doubt it's going to be cheaper anytime soon, only with pricing going up making that Adorama pre build that was posted a good deal. Quote
anime52k8 Posted January 30 Posted January 30 NGL, I get enough personal satisfaction and don't trust pre-built companies enough that I'm still gonna build my own. maybe wait until the end of the year. Speaking of EVGA, I really don't want to sell my current card when I do upgrade. It feels special to me being the last gen EVGA ever made. but then I'm not sure what to do with the rest of the PC. Quote
David Hingtgen Posted January 30 Posted January 30 Seems the SN850X has some compatbility issues with my mobo, so will probably go with a Samsung SSD again. Just haven't decided exactly which one. Quote
TangledThorns Posted January 30 Posted January 30 6 hours ago, David Hingtgen said: Seems the SN850X has some compatbility issues with my mobo, so will probably go with a Samsung SSD again. Just haven't decided exactly which one. How so? I hardly ever read about NVME compatibility issues but have you checked for an update on your mobo's BIOS or checking with WD for support? Maybe its a driver? Quote
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