mikeszekely Posted January 10 Posted January 10 31 minutes ago, JB0 said: Of course, right now we don't know how the 5070 performs, so we can't really sa* how much of an upgrade it is. We know how nVidia claims it performs, but manufacturer claims in this industry range from "optimistic" to "bald-faced lies". And personally, nVidia leans a bit strongly towards the latter for my tastes. I personally believe their "5070 performs like a 4090" claim is "with the 4090 rendering every frame at 3840x2160 resolution while the 5070 upscales from 1920x1080 and does three frames of motion interpolation for every frame it renders"... or just "4090 DLSS off vs 5070 DLSS Performance" if you'd prefer to conceal the reality with marketing buzzwords. Yes. But we should be able to confidently say that it's some upgrade in raw performance without DLSS and Frame Gen over a 3070. Because, even if it's native performance is only on par with a 4070, the 4070 was already on par with the 3080. Quote
davidwhangchoi Posted January 10 Posted January 10 (edited) 30 minutes ago, mikeszekely said: Yes. But we should be able to confidently say that it's some upgrade in raw performance without DLSS and Frame Gen over a 3070. Because, even if it's native performance is only on par with a 4070, the 4070 was already on par with the 3080. i do think having a 5000 series card is an advantage with exclusive DLSS benefits, the 5070 will be more close to a 4070 ti with the benefits of 5000 series frame gen. the only issue i have with the 5070 is the limited 8GB ram, most likely going to have bottleneck with incoming games. if your current gen card has more vram, i'd wait or consider the 5070 ti unless you want frame gen badly and don't care about 8gb's of vram. I sold my desktop EVGA 3080 card at the peak of data mining for about 2,300 usd (EVGA 3080 was about 850 retail when i got it) and sold the rest of the desktop parts for 500 (edit: ryzen 5700x and some decent parts in 2021) Been waiting ever since to get a desktop but the prices were ridiculous for a while. Might jump in this generation depending on market availability and prices of the gpus. Edited January 10 by davidwhangchoi Quote
kajnrig Posted January 10 Posted January 10 (edited) I'm late catching up on all the CES happenings - been too busy playing Prince of Persia: The Lost Crown in my free time, it's pretty fantastic. It seems someone at Lenovo shared my thinking that the Z2 Go would be a good fit for an entry-level handheld. The Legion Go S previewed at CES seems to complete the "Steam Deck Pro" transition started by the Steam Deck OLED: adds VRR support to the high refresh rate screen, adds 2280 M.2 support, upgrades the SoC with a focus on the GPU (12 CUs vs 8 ) It gets rid of one trackpad and downsizes the other, but otherwise it's almost an exact hardware match for the Deck, including its use of SteamOS in lieu of Windows. And it's only $500, too. Or, well, "only." I wonder if it could have afforded to shave itself down another $50-100, to REALLY hit the value sweet spot. Even as is, it's a really decent package all around... provided it still hits the performance efficiencies of the Deck. I'm hopeful it does, or even improves on it. That's one of the only issues still plaguing the other handhelds out there; they can outpace the Steam Deck, yes, but they have to bump up the TDP from 5-15 to 15-25 to do so. If the Z2 Go can eke out a decent performance improvement at the same TDP, that would really be impressive. All in all, AMD's CES showcase was a shitshow, they demonstrated such a lack of confidence... but their actual products all look great. Them being mum on the 9070/XT is endlessly frustrating, but the rumored performance claims that are all we have to fill their silence paint a cautiously optimistic picture. They relegated FSR4 to their exhibit hall booth demonstration, but it looks like it's a major step forward. Their Strix Halo is super impressive - in addition to the Phawx video above, LTT took a look at the same device and disclosed much more information than the Asus reps allowed Phawx to do - and I'm incredibly excited/anxious to see reviews of it (and in a form factor other than a... giant tablet, seriously am I missing something? in what context would THAT be the right device to put this thing in?). Regular Strix continues to look great and be great on the low-power end. And so on and so forth. SteamOS is chugging along nicely and I can only hope it eventually becomes the de facto standard over Windows, at least for the PC gaming community. I think the biggest issue I have with Nvidia's presentation was its heavy focus on AI frame generation... when frame generation already exists, AND multi-frame generation already exists, AND it doesn't require any bespoke Nvidia hardware to pull off, AND it already looks and plays great*. Like... they haven't done anything to fundamentally change the paradigm of frame generation, AI-implemented or not. Some of the more technically-minded comments I've seen have been heaping praise on their change from CNNs to transformer-based image reconstruction for DLSS, which... I don't get. Does anyone know any more about this and why it is or is not a Big Thing? All that aside, their cards look perfectly fine, exactly as class-leading as they ever were. They're just not particularly exciting. 22 minutes ago, davidwhangchoi said: the only issue i have with the 5070 is the limited 8GB ram, I thought it's going to have 12GB? Edited January 10 by kajnrig Quote
davidwhangchoi Posted January 10 Posted January 10 16 minutes ago, kajnrig said: I thought it's going to have 12GB? ah, apologies! i was looking at the 5070 laptops last night and got mixed up today. @mikeszekely, i guess 12gb is okay. Quote
azrael Posted January 10 Author Posted January 10 3 hours ago, davidwhangchoi said: i guess 12gb is okay. It's debatable. It's better than 8GB but considering AMD released the RX 7800XT (which is the closest price point card), a card released back in 2023, with 16GB, it feels like Nvidia is still under-loading their mid-range and lower cards. Even Intel's new B580, a budget card with respectable performance, comes with 12GB. That's why a few of us here are eyeing the 5070Ti since it feels like the lowest option that doesn't feel like Nvidia is spitting in our face. Quote
davidwhangchoi Posted January 10 Posted January 10 57 minutes ago, azrael said: It's debatable. It's better than 8GB but considering AMD released the RX 7800XT (which is the closest price point card), a card released back in 2023, with 16GB, it feels like Nvidia is still under-loading their mid-range and lower cards. Even Intel's new B580, a budget card with respectable performance, comes with 12GB. That's why a few of us here are eyeing the 5070Ti since it feels like the lowest option that doesn't feel like Nvidia is spitting in our face. i agree. i'd be more comfortable with16gbs for current/next gen cards. The mobile versions of each version are worse: the 5070 mobile carries only 8gb and 5070ti mobile carries 12gb. (apologies for the prior post, was looking up laptops for mike last night and got the specs for the desktop mixed up with the mobile) the mobile hasn't really bumped up ram for this gen My Legion 7 has a 3080 mobile card with 16GB and that's from 2021, 4 years ago. Hopefully, we'll see some reviews and benchmarks coming as soon as the embargo lifts. Quote
JB0 Posted January 10 Posted January 10 1 hour ago, azrael said: That's why a few of us here are eyeing the 5070Ti since it feels like the lowest option that doesn't feel like Nvidia is spitting in our face. Honestly, every GeForce for a few years has felt like nVidia spitting in my face. I've only had Radeons for a long time, and part of that is nVidia keeps finding new ways to be awful. Quote
Test_Pilot_2 Posted January 10 Posted January 10 5 hours ago, azrael said: It's debatable. It's better than 8GB but considering AMD released the RX 7800XT (which is the closest price point card), a card released back in 2023, with 16GB, it feels like Nvidia is still under-loading their mid-range and lower cards. Even Intel's new B580, a budget card with respectable performance, comes with 12GB. That's why a few of us here are eyeing the 5070Ti since it feels like the lowest option that doesn't feel like Nvidia is spitting in our face. I've been trying to get better educated on the frame gen bit and I will say aside from micro artifacts and some shenanigans, frame generation is pretty amazing. However it's still sleight of hand software magic to me. There was a video posted about a year ago where a reviewer extracted all the frame gen frames and put the side by side actual frames in a spider man game and it makes a compelling argument for the AI generated frames. I watched another video of someone streaming the new Indiana Jones game on a 16 gig card. About 10 minutes in frames tanked to 20 or less. The cause was the card running out of VRAM. No need to run around with hair on fire yet, because the reviewer failed to turn off the highest quality texture setting when transitioning from a lower resolution test to a higher one. However, it lends strength to 16 gigs just not being enough especially if you want the best textures and highest refresh rate. In computer terms I'm a generational dinosaur although I can still build with the best today :P. My son's Christmas upgrade is just obnoxiously fast and at a budget. My other twin son's EGPU upgrade built off the remnants of his brother's old PC is spectacular, too. We scored an LG 34" 144hz monitor for 200 bucks (down from 500) at microcenter for him, too. One of the best PC deals in a while there. Anyways, his Ally X + rx6700 hand-me down has Space Marine 2 running maxed out on his new monitor. I'm old man rambling... Which brings me back to my criticism of frame gen... Maybe I'm just sitting in my rocking chair on the porch griping about the "good old days," while not giving this new tech a fair shake. I kinda wish we were back in the ATI 9700/9800 pro era. That was such a good time... When I saw AMD adopted a 9000-series number for what feels like a least breath GPU release something twisted a little inside :(. Quote
azrael Posted January 10 Author Posted January 10 3 hours ago, Test_Pilot_2 said: However, it lends strength to 16 gigs just not being enough especially if you want the best textures and highest refresh rate. Game developers have been complaining for a while about the limited VRAM. Quote
TangledThorns Posted January 10 Posted January 10 (edited) Doing research into pre-built or custom PCs and it's more pricey and less custom than I'm used to when it comes to building my own PCs in the past, ugh. So now I'm looking at building a PC sometime around Memorial Day weekend hoping there will be good PC parts deals by then. I mentioned lack of time and space before so I'm thinking I'll take a week off from work and build the PC... at my office, lol. Most of my colleagues work from home (myself included) and hardly anybody goes into the office so that gives me plenty of space and peace to build a PC. Funny enough I built my last PC in my office in 2018, upgrade in 2019, when we all used to go in regularly and no one mind back then too. One thing I plan to skip on this time around is RBG crap. It's the most useless thing ever when it comes to PC gaming. Edited January 10 by TangledThorns Quote
Test_Pilot_2 Posted January 10 Posted January 10 3 hours ago, TangledThorns said: Doing research into pre-built or custom PCs and it's more pricey and less custom than I'm used to when it comes to building my own PCs in the past, ugh. So now I'm looking at building a PC sometime around Memorial Day weekend hoping there will be good PC parts deals by then. I mentioned lack of time and space before so I'm thinking I'll take a week off from work and build the PC... at my office, lol. Most of my colleagues work from home (myself included) and hardly anybody goes into the office so that gives me plenty of space and peace to build a PC. Funny enough I built my last PC in my office in 2018, upgrade in 2019, when we all used to go in regularly and no one mind back then too. One thing I plan to skip on this time around is RBG crap. It's the most useless thing ever when it comes to PC gaming. Coolest thing I've seen of the new stuff are the watercolors with the LCDs built right into the block. Same with fans. When I overclocked my PCs I would run all the stats for monitoring to my logitech device screens whether on my KB or G13 so I could monitor health. Now I could put all the stats on the fan and cooler displays. OCing used to be an art/science. Now you push button like on the 186dx and OC, lol. I think those LCDs have utility. RGB stuff is kinda dumb unless you can make a cooler look like warp coils. Quote
azrael Posted January 10 Author Posted January 10 4 hours ago, TangledThorns said: Doing research into pre-built or custom PCs and it's more pricey and less custom than I'm used to when it comes to building my own PCs in the past, ugh. So now I'm looking at building a PC sometime around Memorial Day weekend hoping there will be good PC parts deals by then. I mentioned lack of time and space before so I'm thinking I'll take a week off from work and build the PC... at my office, lol. Most of my colleagues work from home (myself included) and hardly anybody goes into the office so that gives me plenty of space and peace to build a PC. Funny enough I built my last PC in my office in 2018, upgrade in 2019, when we all used to go in regularly and no one mind back then too. One thing I plan to skip on this time around is RBG crap. It's the most useless thing ever when it comes to PC gaming. The best thing to do is setup a profile on PCPartPicker and set price alerts. I doubt all deals will appear all during Memorial Day so you might want to start piecing it together as deals come out. Quote
JB0 Posted January 10 Posted January 10 1 hour ago, Test_Pilot_2 said: RGB stuff is kinda dumb unless you can make a cooler look like warp coils. Hear, hear! This man gets it! Quote
TangledThorns Posted January 11 Posted January 11 13 hours ago, azrael said: The best thing to do is setup a profile on PCPartPicker and set price alerts. I doubt all deals will appear all during Memorial Day so you might want to start piecing it together as deals come out. We have a Microcenter about 45 minutes from where I live and hope they have good deals. I'd prefer not to order parts from different stores due to delivery time and possible return issues. I'll definitely buy my 4K monitor at Microcenter though. Makes returning a monitor with dead pixels much easier which happened to me several years ago with a Acer Predator monitor. Quote
JB0 Posted January 12 Posted January 12 Steve making fun of marketing copy for a half-hour is glorious. Quote
davidwhangchoi Posted Friday at 05:15 AM Posted Friday at 05:15 AM Nvidia finally revealing realistic actual performance 5070 vs. 4070 rest of charts here: Nvidia says the RTX 5080 is ‘about’ 15% faster than the RTX 4080 without DLSS Quote
JB0 Posted Friday at 05:46 AM Posted Friday at 05:46 AM As realistic as manufacturer-supplied benchmarks ever get, anyhow. It does seem like the gains are almost entirely attributable to multi-frame generation. Quote
mikeszekely Posted Friday at 05:54 AM Posted Friday at 05:54 AM 5 minutes ago, JB0 said: As realistic as manufacturer-supplied benchmarks ever get, anyhow. It does seem like the gains are almost entirely attributable to multi-frame generation. And DLSS. I haven't really liked Frame Gen so far, though I'll give the new version a try, but DLSS 3 was already pretty good AFAIC. If DLSS 4 is even better I'm not sure why you wouldn't use it. Quote
azrael Posted Friday at 07:14 AM Author Posted Friday at 07:14 AM *Looks at tiny grey footnote* Quote 1440p, Max Settings, DLSS Super Resolution and DLSS Ray Reconstruction on 40 and 50 series; Frame gen on 40 series. Multi Frame Gen (4x Mode) on 50 series. Horizon Forbidden West Supports DLSS 3. Yeah....wait for 3rd party benchmarks. Manufacturer-supplied benchmarks are worth the paper it's printed on. Oh wait, it's not printed on paper...or printed. Quote
kajnrig Posted Friday at 10:57 AM Posted Friday at 10:57 AM Can someone in the know explain why the move to transformers is better for DLSS than the "CNN" they were using before? An obnoxious "article" purported to show the merits of transformer-based DLSS 4, but it only compared screenshots of DLSS 4 to an unnamed "Basic Temporal Upscaler" and was pretty much a complete waste of time. Quote
Test_Pilot_2 Posted Friday at 12:11 PM Posted Friday at 12:11 PM (edited) I know we've talked a bit about Nvidia, but the AMD rumor mill suggests their mid-range card is performing better than expected and the price point is solid there, too. I picked up a 7900xt because of the ram, raster performance, and I got a killer price on it from Microcenter. I can personally confirm the card is phenomenal in all of my resolutions and works wonderful in the EGPU. If the rumors hold true on the new AMD card I may use their trade-up program. Eager to see real benchmarks done by some of the more ruthless and critical forums. Edited Friday at 12:12 PM by Test_Pilot_2 Quote
TangledThorns Posted Friday at 02:26 PM Posted Friday at 02:26 PM I'd like to get a AMD GPU but... I like to occasionally replay Arkham Knight and it has PhysX that only nVidia GPUs supports still. Can't find any worthwhile mod or workaround (nah on dual AMD/nVidia GPU set-up) so I hope an official remaster with ray tracing will resolve it so physics can work on a AMD GPU. Quote
kajnrig Posted Friday at 04:09 PM Posted Friday at 04:09 PM 1 hour ago, TangledThorns said: Arkham Knight and it has PhysX Is there a comparison of the game with and without PhysX? I played with it off even on my 2060 MaxQ so don't really have anything to compare it to. Quote
azrael Posted Friday at 05:03 PM Author Posted Friday at 05:03 PM 5 hours ago, kajnrig said: Can someone in the know explain why the move to transformers is better for DLSS than the "CNN" they were using before? An obnoxious "article" purported to show the merits of transformer-based DLSS 4, but it only compared screenshots of DLSS 4 to an unnamed "Basic Temporal Upscaler" and was pretty much a complete waste of time. Probably because it allows Nvidia to insert more frames for their multi-frame generation. It supposedly has less ghosting and shimmering, producing a better image vs CNN while maintaining FPS. An Nvidia rep stated that Transformer-modelling can lose up to 5% FPS vs CNN. The key take away is better image quality which is something frame gen has problems with (frame gen is still inserting faked frames in between actually generated frames from the game engine). 4 hours ago, Test_Pilot_2 said: but the AMD rumor mill suggests their mid-range card is performing better than expected and the price point is solid there TBD. Quote
TangledThorns Posted Friday at 07:44 PM Posted Friday at 07:44 PM 3 hours ago, kajnrig said: Is there a comparison of the game with and without PhysX? I played with it off even on my 2060 MaxQ so don't really have anything to compare it to. Here is a video comparing PhysX on and off. I first played Arkham Knight on a AMD 280X (R9 3Gb VRAM) and then again on a nVidia GTX 1060 (6Gb VRAM) and the difference with PhysX enabled was amazing! Quote
davidwhangchoi Posted Friday at 08:11 PM Posted Friday at 08:11 PM (edited) 14 hours ago, JB0 said: As realistic as manufacturer-supplied benchmarks ever get, anyhow. It does seem like the gains are almost entirely attributable to multi-frame generation. 13 hours ago, azrael said: *Looks at tiny grey footnote* Yeah....wait for 3rd party benchmarks. Manufacturer-supplied benchmarks are worth the paper it's printed on. Oh wait, it's not printed on paper...or printed. The graphs and the article linked are more of a sobering reality at Nvidia's Editor's Day, more realistic comparisons that weren't shown in their 5070 = 4090 power presentation. Each card is roughly 15% more power than last gen and the comparison charts pitting the 5070-4070 that weren't shown prior are more realistic gains that will be in more likely in line with 3rd party findings. Definitely not taking nvidia's words over 3rd party benchmarks though. @mikeszekely not sure if you want to bump up your budget 2100k and don't care about MFG framegen but this might be a decent deal. Legions are built like a tank and with a 4090 card. https://slickdeals.net/f/18057069-certified-refurb-laptop-lenovo-legion-pro-7-16-ips-ryzen-9-7945hx-32gb-2tb-rtx-4090-2149-99?v=1&src=frontpage (not saying you should buy it but doesn't hurt to window shop, great thermals and good for both work and gaming. profile is decently slim for it's size, i carrry around a usb charger since it has that option with my legion instead of lugging a power brick to work) Edited Friday at 08:17 PM by davidwhangchoi Quote
mikeszekely Posted Friday at 09:51 PM Posted Friday at 09:51 PM 1 hour ago, davidwhangchoi said: @mikeszekely not sure if you want to bump up your budget 2100k and don't care about MFG framegen but this might be a decent deal. Legions are built like a tank and with a 4090 card. I appreciate you thinking of me. Seems like a great deal, but when I buy a laptop I gotta lug that thing to China, and 16" is bigger than I'd like. I probably will go over my budget, but because I'm eyeing this guy https://www.bestbuy.com/site/asus-rog-zephyrus-g14-14-oled-3k-120hz-gaming-laptop-amd-ryzen-ai-9-hx-32gb-ram-nvidia-geforce-rtx-5070-ti-1tb-ssd-platinum-white/6613954.p?skuId=6613954 I have the original Zephyrus G14 with the RTX 2060, and it's been my favorite laptop I've ever owned. The new one's got a 5070ti, double the RAM, and a much better OLED display. And let me tell you, after replacing my desktop monitor with an OLED, I don't think I could go back to LED. Quote
kajnrig Posted Saturday at 06:28 AM Posted Saturday at 06:28 AM 10 hours ago, TangledThorns said: Here is a video comparing PhysX on and off. I first played Arkham Knight on a AMD 280X (R9 3Gb VRAM) and then again on a nVidia GTX 1060 (6Gb VRAM) and the difference with PhysX enabled was amazing! I'm always hesitant to watch a straight Nvidia video because I know it's going to be exaggerated for marketing purposes, but that's a good place to start, thanks for the link. 9 hours ago, davidwhangchoi said: The graphs and the article linked are more of a sobering reality at Nvidia's Editor's Day, more realistic comparisons that weren't shown in their 5070 = 4090 power presentation. Each card is roughly 15% more power than last gen and the comparison charts pitting the 5070-4070 that weren't shown prior are more realistic gains that will be in more likely in line with 3rd party findings. Definitely not taking nvidia's words over 3rd party benchmarks though. About the only one that breaks the formula is the 5090, which sees a ~30% increase. I haven't looked at the numbers, but apparently these increases are all in line with power draw increase. So there doesn't seem to be much architectural performance gain this time around. But when you're the undisputed market leader, you can probably afford to just crank up the heat for one generation. So long as that's not your modus operandi for 7 CPU GENERATIONS HOLY crap INTEL Quote
davidwhangchoi Posted Saturday at 07:34 AM Posted Saturday at 07:34 AM 9 hours ago, mikeszekely said: I appreciate you thinking of me. Seems like a great deal, but when I buy a laptop I gotta lug that thing to China, and 16" is bigger than I'd like. I probably will go over my budget, but because I'm eyeing this guy https://www.bestbuy.com/site/asus-rog-zephyrus-g14-14-oled-3k-120hz-gaming-laptop-amd-ryzen-ai-9-hx-32gb-ram-nvidia-geforce-rtx-5070-ti-1tb-ssd-platinum-white/6613954.p?skuId=6613954 I have the original Zephyrus G14 with the RTX 2060, and it's been my favorite laptop I've ever owned. The new one's got a 5070ti, double the RAM, and a much better OLED display. And let me tell you, after replacing my desktop monitor with an OLED, I don't think I could go back to LED. no problem! you've helped me in the past. (I still have your psp go and use it often.) 52 minutes ago, kajnrig said: About the only one that breaks the formula is the 5090, which sees a ~30% increase. yeah agree with you. it's at least there's decent bump for the 5090. since the 4090's been sold out it's been selling for about 2k. Those wanting to grab a 4090 at current market price may see the value of getting a 5090 for about the same price depending if they can get their hands on one. Quote
TangledThorns Posted Saturday at 09:26 PM Posted Saturday at 09:26 PM I'm glad I'm taking my time on my PC build. I've been out of touch for several years and finding all kinds of new gear. Lian Li wasn't that big of brand back then but it looks like they are leading innovation in PC cases and I just come across their Edge power supply. And it has a USB hub?? Wild and will most likely be in my planned build. https://lian-li.com/product/edge/ Quote
davidwhangchoi Posted Sunday at 06:41 AM Posted Sunday at 06:41 AM (edited) @mikeszekely some more window shopping while waiting for the march release of the 5070ti Zephyrus G14 there's a 14" edit: i don't see the 14" anymore just 16" with a 4080 for 1389 in there that may be of interest. (not oled though) I'd prob wait till March myself to see how the 50 series turn out and have more options if i'm not in a hurry. https://computers.woot.com/plus/msi-laptops-22?cjdata=MXxOfDB8WXww Edited Sunday at 06:46 AM by davidwhangchoi Quote
mikeszekely Posted Sunday at 07:05 AM Posted Sunday at 07:05 AM 17 minutes ago, davidwhangchoi said: @mikeszekely some more window shopping while waiting for the march release of the 5070ti Zephyrus G14 there's a 14" edit: i don't see the 14" anymore just 16" with a 4080 for 1389 in there that may be of interest. (not oled though) I'd prob wait till March myself to see how the 50 series turn out and have more options if i'm not in a hurry. https://computers.woot.com/plus/msi-laptops-22?cjdata=MXxOfDB8WXww I had a pretty nice 27" 4K LG monitor, and I thought it looked great... until I saw a demo kiosk that had a Nintendo Switch and Switch OLED that were both running Tears of the Kingdom. The OLED didn't just look better, it was revelatory. So I replaced my LG with a 49" Samsung G9 OLED, and honestly, I don't think I can go back. I'm trying to convince my wife into letting me replace the TVs in the house; ideally anything in my house with a screen on it going forward would be OLED (alas, I don't believe the Switch 2 will ship with an OLED display, and OLED displays on portable PCs like the ROG Ally are a rarity). Quote
davidwhangchoi Posted Sunday at 07:27 PM Posted Sunday at 07:27 PM (edited) 12 hours ago, mikeszekely said: I had a pretty nice 27" 4K LG monitor, and I thought it looked great... until I saw a demo kiosk that had a Nintendo Switch and Switch OLED that were both running Tears of the Kingdom. The OLED didn't just look better, it was revelatory. So I replaced my LG with a 49" Samsung G9 OLED, and honestly, I don't think I can go back. I'm trying to convince my wife into letting me replace the TVs in the house; ideally anything in my house with a screen on it going forward would be OLED (alas, I don't believe the Switch 2 will ship with an OLED display, and OLED displays on portable PCs like the ROG Ally are a rarity). i'm rocking a LG C1 OLED for my main TV and for ps5 which i don't play much as i'd like. love it. i worried about burn-in for pc monitor use and decided to go IPS. I guess your braver than me. i leave up alot of static images for about 6-8 hours, my for uses: I disable sleep, screen saver, dimmer. Do you have any fears of static images on the Samsung or don't think about it? Edited Sunday at 07:28 PM by davidwhangchoi Quote
mikeszekely Posted yesterday at 01:58 AM Posted yesterday at 01:58 AM 6 hours ago, davidwhangchoi said: worried about burn-in for pc monitor use and decided to go IPS. I guess your braver than me. i leave up alot of static images for about 6-8 hours, my for uses: I disable sleep, screen saver, dimmer. Do you have any fears of static images on the Samsung or don't think about it? I was hesitant at first, and before finally pulling the trigger I was considering the Odyssey Neo G9, which is/was a similar 32:9 49" Samsung display, but with a VA mini LED. But the curvature of the Neo is too aggressive for my tastes, and despite being an older model it was often selling for more than the OLED. Plus I keep seeing articles like this one about how burn-in isn't really as big a deal as it's made out to be. Since I use my desktop mostly for gaming and the picture on OLED displays flat out looks better and I didn't want to spend more for less I went with the OLED. Aside from occasionally wondering if 32:9 was really the way to go or if I should have gone with 21:9, I have no regrets. When I'm working on the desktop I'll notice that the entire screen will shift occasionally, and it does a better job of displaying the desktop while still in HDR mode without blowing everything out than my old LG. And games look fantastic. It's pretty cool when you're exploring a dark tomb in a game like Assassin's Creed Origins/Odyssey, and it's genuinely dark without losing detail, then you exist into the sun and with HDR on you're squinting at that sudden brightness like you just stepped out of a movie theater after a matinee. And so far, no issues with burn-in or static images. To be fair, though, I don't like to leave static images up too long. With my LG I'd leave the screen on all day, but with the Samsung I set a screensaver to run if I don't use the computer for five minutes. Funnily enough, I set the same screen saver on my ROG Ally X, and I had it hooked up to my LG side-by-side with the Samsung. Screen saver came on the Ally first, and I was thinking, "oh, this looks fine, maybe I didn't really need to upgrade after all." Then the screen saver came on the desktop and suddenly the LG looked like trash. The colors were so much duller, and on a dark gray background instead of pure black. Quote
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