eugimon Posted January 21, 2011 Posted January 21, 2011 It's not, it just likes to pretend it is. The Minovsky Particle is supposed to be an as yet undiscovered elementary particle which has near-zero rest mass and can have either a positive or negative charge (which is so strong that it can disrupt all forms of EM radiation to some degree, and acts as a continuous EMP that fries unshielded electronics). The problem is that no such particle exists according to the standard Model of particle physics. Now because the Standard Model is only a provisional theory (and therefor an incomplete one) there's room for more elementary particles to exist (things like Gravitons, and the X and Y bosons). That said, no proposed elementary particle has ever been described to behave like the Minovsky particle and there's no evidence that such a particle would ever exist. So particle physics doesn't say that the Minovsky particle CAN'T exist, but nothing supports the possibility that it does exist. Or you could just say it's the physics equivalent of pig Latin; it looks like Latin, sounds like Latin, but it ain't Latin. It's just fancy gibberish. Quote
charger69 Posted January 21, 2011 Posted January 21, 2011 (edited) We all know what God does when you apply real physics into an anime, don't we? Edited January 21, 2011 by charger69 Quote
reeoyuy Posted January 21, 2011 Posted January 21, 2011 Ok, so Minovsky particles is way too good to be real. And thus Gundam tech is bad, unlike Macross. Everything is explainable with overtechnology and singing...which in turn aren't scientifically explainable at all. Never liked Macross tech. .... Ok, screw that. I like Macross tech too. And Gundam. And sakuradyte-centric Code Geass tech. Or anything like that. No offense, but I think Graham's dislike of Gundam tech is something personal. Quote
sketchley Posted January 21, 2011 Author Posted January 21, 2011 (edited) Super Dimension: Power supply for large vessels Makes beam weapons work Gives Macross flying ability Fold-Wave Tracking Superluminal communication Plus, it lets you listen to Ranka's song, mmkay? Fold Quartz boosts at least some of those Super-Dimension things. I still feel my plot science call is valid. (And, at least the Minovsky Particle is described in real physics ) You don't read the translations nor Macross Compendium much, do you? The super dimension is like sub-space in Star Trek. It allows only the superluminal communication much like Star Trek's sub-space communication. The super dimension is also where vessels fold into when travelling via fold (fold-in, travel, fold-out). Power supplies for large vessels are invariable heat-piles or thermonuclear reaction engines. Anti-gravity movement comes from the gravity control system, powered by the heat-pile and/or thermonuclear reaction engines. So too are the Beam weapons. It's unclear what allows fold-wave tracking, but it's not the Super Dimension, as the Super Dimension is a dimension that vessels travel into/through/out of. Now, if you are going to harp on any element of Macross for being a minovski particle in disguise, a better target would be Fold Quartz. It's the plot device de jour that allows things like Dimension Eaters, Dimension Beam Guns, ISC, super fold boosters, near instantaneous galaxy-wide communication, and I'm pretty sure, but don't quote me on this one as I forgot the source, the ability to hear Ranka. Edited January 21, 2011 by sketchley Quote
azrael Posted January 21, 2011 Posted January 21, 2011 Thought this thread was about the YF-29??? BTW, some new scans to dissect courtesy of CyberGundam. http://hk.myblog.yahoo.com/iam-cybergundam/article?mid=65060 Quote
anime52k8 Posted January 21, 2011 Posted January 21, 2011 Thought this thread was about the YF-29??? BTW, some new scans to dissect courtesy of CyberGundam. http://hk.myblog.yahoo.com/iam-cybergundam/article?mid=65060 Well, we're discussing whether the handwavium that the YF-29 runs on is better or worse than the Handwavium that other giant robots run on, so it's tangentially related Quote
SchizophrenicMC Posted January 21, 2011 Posted January 21, 2011 You don't read the translations nor Macross Compendium much, do you? The super dimension is like sub-space in Star Trek. It allows only the superluminal communication much like Star Trek's sub-space communication. The super dimension is also where vessels fold into when travelling via fold (fold-in, travel, fold-out). Power supplies for large vessels are invariable heat-piles or thermonuclear reaction engines. Anti-gravity movement comes from the gravity control system, powered by the heat-pile and/or thermonuclear reaction engines. So too are the Beam weapons. It's unclear what allows fold-wave tracking, but it's not the Super Dimension, as the Super Dimension is a dimension that vessels travel into/through/out of. Now, if you are going to harp on any element of Macross for being a minovski particle in disguise, a better target would be Fold Quartz. It's the plot device de jour that allows things like Dimension Eaters, Dimension Beam Guns, ISC, super fold boosters, near instantaneous galaxy-wide communication, and I'm pretty sure, but don't quote me on this one as I forgot the source, the ability to hear Ranka. The super dimension, as I recall it is, is where fold waves take you, hence all of that stuff I said, and beam weapon was a blanket term I hoped you'd understand to mean the Super Dimension Energy Cannons that all Macross-class seem to carry. And, my whole original point was that the Fold Quartz was the M-particle! How you seemed to skirt around that until reaching that on your own, I will never know. And, while I didn't mean to imply particles like the M-particle exist, or even could, I did mean the way they cause all that crazy stuff to happen is at least given some substance. Magnets and all that jazz. (Mmm, I-field lattice) Why is it you all feel Macross handwavium is superior to Gundam handwavium? It's like the anti-Gundam thing is a personal vendetta a lot of MW members carry. Can't we just love 'em both because they're both about giant robots and bloody destruction? Quote
eugimon Posted January 22, 2011 Posted January 22, 2011 okay, yes, whatever imaginary thing you like is the bestest ever. let's move on. Quote
Product9 Posted January 22, 2011 Posted January 22, 2011 I used to like Gundam... before 00 Now I just worry that in the spirit of escalation Kawamori and crew are gonna try and one-up 00's epic silliness. The -29's space bells and space whistles lend some credence to this theory. Quote
SchizophrenicMC Posted January 22, 2011 Posted January 22, 2011 I used to like Gundam... before 00 Now I just worry that in the spirit of escalation Kawamori and crew are gonna try and one-up 00's epic silliness. The -29's space bells and space whistles lend some credence to this theory. See, I'm worried that's what's gonna happen. I'll love Macross until Frontier movie 2. Quote
Thom Posted January 23, 2011 Posted January 23, 2011 I don't like the forward swept wings. Maybe they should just get rid of the wings entirely, replacing them with the drives from the SAP. Do they really need them for flight anyway? We're talking about the future here. Quote
Product9 Posted January 23, 2011 Posted January 23, 2011 Nope. The Queadluun can fly in atmo just fine. I think wings help out for atmospheric entry, though. Quote
SchizophrenicMC Posted January 23, 2011 Posted January 23, 2011 I don't like the forward swept wings. Maybe they should just get rid of the wings entirely, replacing them with the drives from the SAP. Do they really need them for flight anyway? We're talking about the future here. But then, it wouldn't identify as a fighter plane, but as some weird space fighter, and I think that would alienate quite a bit of the fanbase. (Who like their transforming giant robot fighter jets, not transforming giant robot zigs... For great justice) Quote
Ghost Train Posted January 23, 2011 Posted January 23, 2011 I used to like Gundam... before 00 Now I just worry that in the spirit of escalation Kawamori and crew are gonna try and one-up 00's epic silliness. The -29's space bells and space whistles lend some credence to this theory. Incredible... so none of the other alternate universe Gundams ruined it for you? Quote
Product9 Posted January 23, 2011 Posted January 23, 2011 I like to pretend G-Gundam never existed. ...let's just hope they don't put THAT on the next VF. Quote
anime52k8 Posted January 23, 2011 Posted January 23, 2011 Incredible... so none of the other alternate universe Gundams ruined it for you? How can the SINGLE GREATEST MOMENT IN ALL OF GUNDAM possibly ruin it? Quote
SchizophrenicMC Posted January 23, 2011 Posted January 23, 2011 Incredible... so none of the other alternate universe Gundams ruined it for you? That wasn't Gundam, that was AWESOME in a can. A Gundarium can. Quote
GGemini Posted January 25, 2011 Posted January 25, 2011 I couldn't find any info on this ... but has the name of the YF-29 been revealed? In the pic CF18 posted today for the model kit, there's mention of a Diurandal (sp?) Valkyrie Quote
Graham Posted January 25, 2011 Posted January 25, 2011 I couldn't find any info on this ... but has the name of the YF-29 been revealed? In the pic CF18 posted today for the model kit, there's mention of a Diurandal (sp?) Valkyrie Yes, a few days ago. We've been discussing it in the YF-29 toy thread. It's Durendal or Durandal, named after the legendary mythical French sword. Kawamori seems to have a mythical sword thing going at the moment. Graham Quote
frothymug Posted January 25, 2011 Posted January 25, 2011 That makes 3 now? Excalibur, Nothung, and Durendal? Quote
anime52k8 Posted January 25, 2011 Posted January 25, 2011 That makes 3 now? Excalibur, Nothung, and Durendal? 4 Excaliber (VF-19); Caliburn (VF-19EF); Nothung (VF-19ACTIVE); Durandal (YF-29) Quote
anime52k8 Posted January 25, 2011 Posted January 25, 2011 What's Caliburn from? From Macross R It's an Export model VF-19E customized and operated by the Macross frontier fleet and SMS. Quote
e_jacob77 Posted January 25, 2011 Posted January 25, 2011 HI all, Thas cool!! Hope Bandai does a 1/72 kit of it!! Quote
frothymug Posted January 25, 2011 Posted January 25, 2011 No, I mean where does the name come from? I was already aware of what craft to which it was assigned. Quote
Raptor One Posted January 25, 2011 Posted January 25, 2011 I just remembered: VF-9 Cutlass. I guess the forward wing VFs are all named after bladed weapons. Quote
anime52k8 Posted January 25, 2011 Posted January 25, 2011 No, I mean where does the name come from? I was already aware of what craft to which it was assigned. oh, Calibrun is an earlier/alternate name for Excalibur. Quote
charger69 Posted January 26, 2011 Posted January 26, 2011 Here is a visual reference VF-9 Cutlass VF-19 Excalibur VF-19EF Caliburn VF-19ACTIVE Nothung YF-29 Durendal Quote
Kelsain Posted January 26, 2011 Posted January 26, 2011 Thought this thread was about the YF-29??? BTW, some new scans to dissect courtesy of CyberGundam. http://hk.myblog.yahoo.com/iam-cybergundam/article?mid=65060 as awful as those deculture paintjobs look, it's interesting to note the Mayan Bird-Human glyph on Sheryl's. Quote
anime52k8 Posted January 26, 2011 Posted January 26, 2011 VF-19ACTIVE Nothung but this one doesn't have forward swept wings. Quote
charger69 Posted January 27, 2011 Posted January 27, 2011 (edited) but this one doesn't have forward swept wings. It looks like something in-between a double delta wing and forward swept wings IMO. I mean when the wing tips are folded it looks like a double delta wing and fsw when unfolded... Edited January 27, 2011 by charger69 Quote
Keith Posted January 28, 2011 Posted January 28, 2011 I'm actually starting to like the YF-29. Something about it, maybe the canards, is reminding me of a Cosmo Tiger. Quote
Vic Mancini Posted January 28, 2011 Posted January 28, 2011 I just remembered: VF-9 Cutlass. I guess the forward wing VFs are all named after bladed weapons. They are also all nines. VF-9 VF-19 VF-29 Quote
Gubaba Posted January 28, 2011 Posted January 28, 2011 They are also all nines. VF-9 VF-19 VF-29 The difference, of course, is that a "cutlass" isn't a magical sword of myth and legend...whereas "Excalibur," "Caliburn," "Nothung," and "Durandel" are. Quote
sketchley Posted January 28, 2011 Author Posted January 28, 2011 (edited) Ahh, but it is a sword. I'm pretty sure there's a magical version of it in a myth or legend somewhere. Maybe one of the Atlantic Ocean or Mediterranean Sea pirate legends. I know of some mythical engine mounts on a Cutlass S, but that's no longer talking about a sword. Edited January 28, 2011 by sketchley Quote
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