The Newbie and Short Questions thread

[Invid99]

On 10/29/2023 at 12:27 AM, Seto Kaiba said:

It's a completely separate craft from the Quel Quallie theater scout, but yeah that's what I was referring to as a purpose-built attack unit.

It's called just "Heavy Attack Craft".  It's actually a bit smaller than the Quel Quallie and has a two-man crew instead of three, but it also punches WAY above its weight class since its primary armament is a guided focusing beam cannon.  In short, this is an aircraft built around the kind of long-range particle beam cannon that would ordinarily be mounted on the gun turrets of a Zentradi capital ship.  Yes, this is a naval cannon with wings and an AA gun for self-defense.

It's a cool ship design. It even has the cyclops eye like the Regult and Nousjadeul-Ger(DYRL). Shame we didn't see more of it. 

 

 

 

[cheemingwan1234]

Hmm, given how organic Zentraedi tech is, are they grown a la Yuuzhan Vong? And if so, I wonder if radiation can screw with the process?

[Seto Kaiba]

13 hours ago, cheemingwan1234 said:

Hmm, given how organic Zentraedi tech is, are they grown a la Yuuzhan Vong? And if so, I wonder if radiation can screw with the process?

Having a biology-inspired design aesthetic is not the same thing as having actual organic technology.

The TV version Zentradi just have a biology-inspired design aesthetic, their technology's inorganic.  The movie version Zentradi do incorporate biotechnology into their ships and mecha (esp. in control systems), but they're still constructed in factories rather than grown.  Exactly how that biotechnology is mass produced is not established, but given that those automated factories are in space and the equipment they're building is intended to operate in space without maintenance effectively indefinitely... odds are that it's pretty well hardened against radiation through the Protoculture's mastery of the material and genetic sciences.

[Invid99]

When we are still in the subject of ships here, is there any official sketch and concept art of the SDF1 before it crashes on Earth?

Could it look something like this? Another question: It was piloted by giant Supervision Zentraedis right? 

 

[Seto Kaiba]

19 minutes ago, Invid99 said:

When we are still in the subject of ships here, is there any official sketch and concept art of the SDF1 before it crashes on Earth?

Well, yes... it's the piece of art in your post.

 

19 minutes ago, Invid99 said:

Could it look something like this?

The line art version of that painting, which can be found in the Macross Model Hobby Handbook among other places, is what Macross Chronicle uses for the original appearance of the Supervision Army gunship that became the SDF-1 Macross.

(See Macross Chronicle Mechanic Sheet SDF:M TV UN Spacy 01A.)

 

19 minutes ago, Invid99 said:

Another question: It was piloted by giant Supervision Zentraedis right? 

It'd been abandoned before it crashed on Earth, but given that its crew spaces were designed for giants (like the airlock we see Hikaru and Minmay use) and backstory materials suggest they recovered some battle pods from its hangars... it seems relatively clear that its crew when it was manned were Zentradi of the Supervision Army.

[TG Remix]

On the topic of elusive ships, I'm assuming we don't have anything to go with for the Windermere combat ships? I was wondering if General Galaxy SV made them as a local design specifically for the Windermerean Kingdom, or because they're still a frontier civilization they're older secondhand models that they got their hands on. They even share some similarities to the Macross Galaxy ships too.

[Seto Kaiba]

4 hours ago, TG Remix said:

On the topic of elusive ships, I'm assuming we don't have anything to go with for the Windermere combat ships? I was wondering if General Galaxy SV made them as a local design specifically for the Windermerean Kingdom, or because they're still a frontier civilization they're older secondhand models that they got their hands on. They even share some similarities to the Macross Galaxy ships too.

Information for Macross Delta is relatively thin on the ground in general.

About all we know, via the Macross Delta TV series, is that those specific classes of space warship are among the products produced and sold by the many subdidiary companies operating as part of the Epsilon Foundation.  Windermere IV's government was buying basically all of its technology through the Epsilon Foundation even before relations with the New UN Government soured, so we can't pin down when they were purchased.  They spent big on upgrading their forces between the War of Independence and their attack on the Brisingr Alliance, so it's possible those ships may be new ships purchased in the 2060s.  Or they may just be reusing old carriers because their trump card Sigur Berrentzs can fold fighters to and from targets without needing to jump itself.

General Galaxy are the preeminent shipbuilders in the New UN Government's sphere of influence.  Given that, and the Epsilon Foundation's seeming focus on doing business with emigrant governments that may not have the resources to be fully self-sufficient, it's not surprising in the least that one or more of the conglomerate's subsidiaries in the defense industry would be a shipbuilding firm manufacturing General Galaxy's designs under license for sale to emigrant governments like Windermere IV.

Macross Galaxy's versions of those designs are said to be state-of-the-art as of 2059.  We just can't say whether the very similar designs used by Windermere IV's armed forces were an older version of those designs, an economized version of the Macross Galaxy fleet's proprietary escorts meant for export sale, or have simply been customized to meet some specific need the Windermereans have.

[TG Remix]

 

4 hours ago, Seto Kaiba said:

Information for Macross Delta is relatively thin on the ground in general.

No kidding, even Frontier gave us info on why the 50+ year-old Cheyennes we see have their niche in their colony fleet, we only can guesstimate why battle pods pop up after being out of animated series sight since SDF. Think it's more apparent because I couldn't even find dedicated renders of the Windemerean ships. A shame too, they're some of my favorite post-7 ship designs we see in the franchise.

 

4 hours ago, Seto Kaiba said:

General Galaxy are the preeminent shipbuilders in the New UN Government's sphere of influence.  Given that, and the Epsilon Foundation's seeming focus on doing business with emigrant governments that may not have the resources to be fully self-sufficient, it's not surprising in the least that one or more of the conglomerate's subsidiaries in the defense industry would be a shipbuilding firm manufacturing General Galaxy's designs under license for sale to emigrant governments like Windermere IV.

 

I keep forgetting that General Galaxy iirc was also the main builder of the New Macross class ships when their fleets were being shipped out as well. It makes all things considered, though it raises another question, how is shipbuilding dealt with in the Macross universe? Is it all done in Factory Satellites or factory ships like the one from the Macross 7 fleet, or do shipyards with manual labor even exist by the time of Plus/7.

 

Personally, I do like the idea that they're older export models, since not only the likes of the Guantanamo and Uraga class ships are going strong for 30+ years, but the Elysion is also implied to be an older model of ship too, along the Valkyries and mechs from previous series finding footing in the Brisingr Alliance. Say what you will about Delta's management of budget, but at least it continues the Macross tradition of having older designs still hanging around.

[sketchley]

19 minutes ago, TG Remix said:

I keep forgetting that General Galaxy iirc was also the main builder of the New Macross class ships when their fleets were being shipped out as well. It makes all things considered, though it raises another question, how is shipbuilding dealt with in the Macross universe? Is it all done in Factory Satellites or factory ships like the one from the Macross 7 fleet, or do shipyards with manual labor even exist by the time of Plus/7.

The Macross Chronicle article on the Factory Satellites indicate that they are still being actively acquired in the 2050's.  Earth has a couple dozen.  Eden has at least one.  Emigrant Fleets that find them retain them as they continue on their journeys, etc.

The factory ships like the one seen in Macross 7—while capable of manufacturing ships—just aren't as efficient at doing that as the Factory Satellites.  They are more geared for consumer goods and smaller-scale military equipment (Valkyries, missiles, etc.)

[Seto Kaiba]

26 minutes ago, TG Remix said:

No kidding, even Frontier gave us info on why the 50+ year-old Cheyennes we see have their niche in their colony fleet, we only can guesstimate why battle pods pop up after being out of animated series sight since SDF. Think it's more apparent because I couldn't even find dedicated renders of the Windemerean ships. A shame too, they're some of my favorite post-7 ship designs we see in the franchise.

Perhaps the most frustrating example is Macross Delta: Absolute Live!!!!!!, where both new Valkyries have had coverage in only one book: Variable Fighter Master File: VF-31AX Kairos Plus.

 

26 minutes ago, TG Remix said:

I keep forgetting that General Galaxy iirc was also the main builder of the New Macross class ships when their fleets were being shipped out as well. It makes all things considered, though it raises another question, how is shipbuilding dealt with in the Macross universe? Is it all done in Factory Satellites or factory ships like the one from the Macross 7 fleet, or do shipyards with manual labor even exist by the time of Plus/7.

As sketchley already noted, the New UN Government has seized and repurposed quite a few factory satellites over the years.

They've been used to build quite a lot of stuff... from churning out processed materials for Earth's post-war reconstruction to building more Zentradi mecha for the New UN Forces to building emigrant ships and their escorts.  How autonomous that manufacturing process is remains unclear, but there seems to be at least some manual involvement still.  The reconstruction of Battle 7, which was done without a factory satellite, was done in place via manual labor as seen in Macross Dynamite 7.  

It seems likely that there's a parallel to real world shipbuilding with ships being built in modules and then integrated onsite with manual labor.

[jhona]

TELL ME AB0UT NEW SERIES OF DISNEY ADVENTURE 

[pengbuzz]

2 hours ago, jhona said:

TELL ME AB0UT NEW SERIES OF DISNEY ADVENTURE 

1) Why the shouting?

2) Disney doesn't do Macross (thank heaven!)

[Invid99]

Could male Zentraedi operate the Queadluun-Rau? There are several color themes for it and males could go for the darker color ones? Or is the design too ''feminine'' for males? 

Something like this?

 

 

 

[Bolt]

10 minutes ago, Invid99 said:

Could male Zentraedi operate the Queadluun-Rau? There are several color themes for it and males could go for the darker color ones? Or is the design too ''feminine'' for males? 

Something like this?

 

 

 

I think it has more to do with the Meltrandi physique more suited to handle the Quead ..

It wasn't about preference or TV or DYRL? design, or fan made color scheme. 

[Invid99]

17 minutes ago, Bolt said:

I think it has more to do with the Meltrandi physique more suited to handle the Quead ..

It wasn't about preference or TV or DYRL? design, or fan made color scheme. 

So a male Zentraedi would be too big to fit in the suit? I thought they were used to uncomfortable cockpit like with the Regult. 

[Seto Kaiba]

33 minutes ago, Invid99 said:

Could male Zentraedi operate the Queadluun-Rau? There are several color themes for it and males could go for the darker color ones? Or is the design too ''feminine'' for males? 

Something like this?

Now... when all's said and done, I doubt a species of clone soldiers engineered and indoctrinated for nothing but military service and warfare have a concept of gendered colors.

Hell, the idea that pink and blue are associated with girls and boys respectively is a relatively recent contrivance dating back only as far as the 1950s.

 

That said, it is theoretically possible that a male Zentradi could operate the Queadluun-Rau and we do see male operators of the New UN Forces derivative model Queadluun-Rhea.

Macross Chronicle suggests that the reason there aren't male Queadluun-Rau pilots in the Zentradi forces is that the (male) Zentradi lacked the reflexes and g-force resistance to draw out the full potential of the Queadluun-series because they were designed for strength and durability.  The Protoculture's response to the male Zentradi being unable to use the Queadluun-Rau effectively was not to tone its performance down, but to use their mastery of genetic science to build a better pilot in the form of the female Zentradi.

Its complexity and difficulty of manufacture meant that the few Queadluun-Rau battle suits produced went to elite female units where the very best pilots would get them.

Edited November 8, 2023 by Seto Kaiba

[azrael]

2 hours ago, Invid99 said:

There are several color themes for it and males could go for the darker color ones?

Colors more likely denote affiliation (squad, company, battalion, etc) or pilot customization rather than gender.

[cheemingwan1234]

I was thinking of something. Hey, remember the ordnance pods of the YF-30 and VF-31? Wonder if that can be combined with the YF-21's detachable limbs to create a truly modular variable fighter?

 

Then again, it would play havoc with aerodynamics.

Edited November 9, 2023 by cheemingwan1234

[Seto Kaiba]

8 minutes ago, cheemingwan1234 said:

I was thinking of something. Hey, remember the ordnance pods of the YF-30 and VF-31? Wonder if that can be combined with the YF-21's detachable limbs to create a truly modular variable fighter?

Variable Fighters are, by definition, already "truly" modular so I'm not really sure what you mean there.

Modularized armament has been a feature since at least the 2nd Generation's VF-4, though few models have enough internally-carried armament to benefit from it.

The YF-21/VF-22's ability to purge its limbs if the event of damage does nothing for operational versatility, so I'm not sure how that intersects with the YF-30 and VF-31's ordnance container system that is designed to allow a VF to hot-swap mission specific equipment.

I'd guess that a YF-21/VF-22-style VF with an ordnance container would be extremely unwieldy since it wouldn't be able to use the engines to counterbalance that load properly in GERWALK or Battroid mode.

[pengbuzz]

1 hour ago, cheemingwan1234 said:

I was thinking of something. Hey, remember the ordnance pods of the YF-30 and VF-31? Wonder if that can be combined with the YF-21's detachable limbs to create a truly modular variable fighter?

 

Then again, it would play havoc with aerodynamics.

You seem obsessed with detachable limbs on the VF"s for some reason....

[cheemingwan1234]

29 minutes ago, pengbuzz said:

You seem obsessed with detachable limbs on the VF"s for some reason....

Because I think that could open up new design paths for VFs...If you can make the limbs easy to swap out, you can introduce a lot of variants and simplify repair.

[Seto Kaiba]

41 minutes ago, cheemingwan1234 said:

Because I think that could open up new design paths for VFs...If you can make the limbs easy to swap out, you can introduce a lot of variants and simplify repair.

Purge-able limbs like the YF-21/VF-22's don't have any space for mission-specific equipment though.

They have to be made rather slim in order to fold and fit into the body of the aircraft, which makes them more fragile and prevents equipment from being mounted inside.  You might remember that Isamu was able to shatter one of the YF-21's arms through brute force without damaging his YF-19 in Macross Plus.

The more traditional VF body plan that puts the engines in the legs makes the limbs larger and more structurally robust.  This opens up opportunities for weapons bays inside the limbs like the leg bays found in many 3rd Generation and later VFs.  

That said, mission-specific hardware isn't typically mounted in the limbs except in very rare instances.*  Most mission-specific hardware is usually either mounted in the monitor turret (head)**, the cockpit***, or in bolt-on Option Packs**** when it's not simply being slung on a pylon.

 

One could say that there is a reason the YF-21/VF-22's purge-able limbs didn't catch on... not only did it complicate the design of a VF in unhelpful ways, the utility of purging the limbs is so heavily situational that it's almost never going to be useful.

 

* Like how Xaos's aftermarket customizations of the VF-31 Kairos fitted a multidrone storage rack into what was previously a modular weapons bay in the back of the VF-31's leg, or how the RVF-25 has a large but detachable phased array radar system mounted to one arm.

** Like the additional sensors in the RVF-25's unique head, or the high-precision optics in the VF-171AS and VF-25G's heads.

*** Like the fire control system booster in the aforementioned VF-171AS and VF-25G.

**** Like the radars and sensors in the Aegis Pack, or the various specialized weapons in things like the Armored Pack, Tornado Pack, Strike Pack, etc.

Edited November 9, 2023 by Seto Kaiba

[JB0]

5 hours ago, Seto Kaiba said:

Purge-able limbs like the YF-21/VF-22's don't have any space for mission-specific equipment though.

They have to be made rather slim in order to fold and fit into the body of the aircraft, which makes them more fragile and prevents equipment from being mounted inside.  You might remember that Isamu was able to shatter one of the YF-21's arms through brute force without damaging his YF-19 in Macross Plus.

In fairness, the VF-1's arms could be purged(I think?) without hindering the ability to go back to fighter mode. Didn't Hikaru eject the damaged arms in the big final battle... and then go through re-entry while missing half his plane's underside? That's actually kinda nuts, now that I think about it.

 

ALSO in fairness, the VF-1 doesn't really need to swap arms to swap specialized equipment. The FAST pack arm launchers demonstrate that well, as does the VE-1's arm packs in DYRL. Just hang crap under the plane, and hope you don't need to use your landing gear any time soon(that's why we have gerwalk, I guess).

[TG Remix]

15 hours ago, Invid99 said:

Could male Zentraedi operate the Queadluun-Rau? There are several color themes for it and males could go for the darker color ones? Or is the design too ''feminine'' for males? 

15 hours ago, Seto Kaiba said:

That said, it is theoretically possible that a male Zentradi could operate the Queadluun-Rau and we do see male operators of the New UN Forces derivative model Queadluun-Rhea.

Well, there is a (somewhat of a gag) blink-and-you-'ll-miss-it cameo of a UN Spacy Queadluun-Rau in coincidentally(?) light purple color as the same as the DYRL units, where Zentradi letters written on the left leg reads out "Okama no Hiro-kun," which more or less translates to "Young Hiro The Gay." I guess it'd imply that male Zentradi, biological limitations and all, can use the Queadluun-Rau, even with this being a "comical" piece of evidence we have. 😅

Honestly, even though the Queadluun-Nona was made years after the movie and so happened to be the only thing from the DYRL Saturn/PS1 game Macross Chronicle made officially a part of the timeline, in-universe it'd be essentially the best compromise for giant Zentradi to use in combat, Main Fleet and NUNS-allied otherwise.

 

15 hours ago, Seto Kaiba said:

Its complexity and difficulty of manufacture meant that the few Queadluun-Rau battle suits produced went to elite female units where the very best pilots would get them.

I'm still trying to get a complete feel for how many of them were a part of Bodolzaa's Main Fleet/SW1 as a whole; both TV series and DYRL suggest there were a decent amount, and there was apparently enough for the NUN to take until the 2030's had them struggle with the lack of operational units and spare parts.

 

10 hours ago, Seto Kaiba said:

Variable Fighters are, by definition, already "truly" modular so I'm not really sure what you mean there.

iirc the VF-14 was made with a large enough airframe to be modified and customizable for future improvements and modifications. That line of logic would also be better for a modular-type design.

Edited November 9, 2023 by TG Remix

[cheemingwan1234]

So, I was trying to design a ejection mechanism for the SV-51, VF-4, and other VFs with similar fransformations and well, I think some explosive bolts can be used to blow off the upper torso to expose the cockpit.

[Seto Kaiba]

7 hours ago, JB0 said:

In fairness, the VF-1's arms could be purged(I think?) without hindering the ability to go back to fighter mode. Didn't Hikaru eject the damaged arms in the big final battle... and then go through re-entry while missing half his plane's underside? That's actually kinda nuts, now that I think about it.

He lost the arms blocking a number of incoming missiles.  He purged his remaining Super Pack parts before making reentry.

WRT reentry... we're all used to the idea of needing a ventral heat shield to make reentry because the structural materials of modern spacecraft would otherwise burn or melt under the heat of reentry.  Variable Fighters generally don't need to worry about that because the super-composites they're made from have incredible strength and heat resistance all on their own.  The same super-composites that are used in space warships that allow them to survive uncontrolled ballistic reentry both before and after the First Space War.

 

 

5 hours ago, TG Remix said:

I'm still trying to get a complete feel for how many of them were a part of Bodolzaa's Main Fleet/SW1 as a whole; both TV series and DYRL suggest there were a decent amount, and there was apparently enough for the NUN to take until the 2030's had them struggle with the lack of operational units and spare parts.

Given that most, if not all, probably came from the Laplamiz direct defense fleet after it allied with the UN Spacy... probably several hundred to maybe a few thousand.

 

5 hours ago, TG Remix said:

iirc the VF-14 was made with a large enough airframe to be modified and customizable for future improvements and modifications. That line of logic would also be better for a modular-type design.

Yeah, the VF-14 was deliberately designed with an oversized airframe to allow it to be easily upgraded or customized to meet the end user's needs... and also to carry the HUGE quantities of fuel it'd need for prolonged space operations with no Super Pack and regular thermonuclear reaction turbine engines.

 

 

4 hours ago, cheemingwan1234 said:

So, I was trying to design a ejection mechanism for the SV-51, VF-4, and other VFs with similar fransformations and well, I think some explosive bolts can be used to blow off the upper torso to expose the cockpit.

You may want to consider that escape from the aircraft may not necessarily always be strictly vertical.

[DownIsUp]

Would Basara's singing have been able to affect the Vajra in any significant way? I'm not sure if song energy and the fold waves that Ranma and Sheryl generate are comparable.

[Seto Kaiba]

47 minutes ago, DownIsUp said:

Would Basara's singing have been able to affect the Vajra in any significant way? I'm not sure if song energy and the fold waves that Ranma and Sheryl generate are comparable.

It's difficult to say with confidence.

Macross 7 did establish that Song Energy is a manifestation of higher dimensional energy in three-dimensional space.  Once its existence was established, the new technologies that were developed to leverage it were applications of existing fold technologies.  The Sound Energy Converter driving the Sound Boosters is a converted fold system.

Macross Chronicle did essentially confirm that Song Energy and its more efficient boosted form Sound Energy are fold waves in its Technology Sheet.  The topic could be said to have been definitively settled by Macross Delta Gaiden: Macross E, which indicated that biological fold wave research grew out of the research of Dr. Gadget M. Chiba and Dr. Lawrence we saw in Macross 7 and Macross Dynamite 7, and was championed by Lawrence's student Elma Hoyly. 

Whether the fold waves produced by someone with anima spiritia abilities would be intelligible to the Vajra the way that someone infected with the V-type bacterium would be, that's unknown at present.  Sheryl and Ranka's songs reach the Vajra because they're broadcasting the same type of zero-time fold waves from the fold quartz in the V-type bacteria they carry in their bodies.  The biological fold waves of someone without those bacteria might register as noise or nonsense to the Vajra since it's possibly the wrong type of fold wave... then again it may not be, given that the Siren Delta System was seemingly able to break through fold faults using focused biological fold waves alone... a property previously known only to be associated with zero-time fold effects produced by fold quartz.  Basara's Sound Energy was also able to resonate with the Fold Dimensional Resonance system in the YF-30 in Macross 30... so that argues that it might be the same kind of fold wave.

 

The TL;DR here is that it's a very definite "Maybe"... more information is needed.

Edited November 10, 2023 by Seto Kaiba

[cheemingwan1234]

15 hours ago, Seto Kaiba said:

He lost the arms blocking a number of incoming missiles.  He purged his remaining Super Pack parts before making reentry.

WRT reentry... we're all used to the idea of needing a ventral heat shield to make reentry because the structural materials of modern spacecraft would otherwise burn or melt under the heat of reentry.  Variable Fighters generally don't need to worry about that because the super-composites they're made from have incredible strength and heat resistance all on their own.  The same super-composites that are used in space warships that allow them to survive uncontrolled ballistic reentry both before and after the First Space War.

 

 

Given that most, if not all, probably came from the Laplamiz direct defense fleet after it allied with the UN Spacy... probably several hundred to maybe a few thousand.

 

Yeah, the VF-14 was deliberately designed with an oversized airframe to allow it to be easily upgraded or customized to meet the end user's needs... and also to carry the HUGE quantities of fuel it'd need for prolonged space operations with no Super Pack and regular thermonuclear reaction turbine engines.

 

 

You may want to consider that escape from the aircraft may not necessarily always be strictly vertical.

It does simplify manufacture though.....

[pengbuzz]

16 hours ago, Seto Kaiba said:

You may want to consider that escape from the aircraft may not necessarily always be strictly vertical.

Not to mention always best to escape said aircraft (unless it is in imminent danger of exploding/ being destroyed), especially in space.

Over a terrestrial planet, you can parachute to the ground and find cover; in space, you're basically a bobber waiting to get yanked by the larger "fish"...

[Invid99]

On 11/8/2023 at 11:24 PM, Seto Kaiba said:

Now... when all's said and done, I doubt a species of clone soldiers engineered and indoctrinated for nothing but military service and warfare have a concept of gendered colors.

Hell, the idea that pink and blue are associated with girls and boys respectively is a relatively recent contrivance dating back only as far as the 1950s.

 

That said, it is theoretically possible that a male Zentradi could operate the Queadluun-Rau and we do see male operators of the New UN Forces derivative model Queadluun-Rhea.

Macross Chronicle suggests that the reason there aren't male Queadluun-Rau pilots in the Zentradi forces is that the (male) Zentradi lacked the reflexes and g-force resistance to draw out the full potential of the Queadluun-series because they were designed for strength and durability.  The Protoculture's response to the male Zentradi being unable to use the Queadluun-Rau effectively was not to tone its performance down, but to use their mastery of genetic science to build a better pilot in the form of the female Zentradi.

Its complexity and difficulty of manufacture meant that the few Queadluun-Rau battle suits produced went to elite female units where the very best pilots would get them.

Ah almost forgot about the Queadlunn-Rhea. 

Honestlu and I probably said it before, I never liked the tv-version of the Nousjadeul-ger. It looks like it's been put together from a pile of wreckages. Would rather liked if there were a male version of the Queadluun like the Rhea for the tv-series. While the organic Nousjadeul-Ger Dyrl suits more for the more organic Zentraedi inspiration in the film. 

 

Edited November 10, 2023 by Invid99

[TG Remix]

46 minutes ago, Invid99 said:

Honestlu and I probably said it before, I never liked the tv-version of the Nousjadeul-ger. It looks like it's been put together from a pile of wreckages. Would rather liked if there were a male version of the Queadluun like the Rhea for the tv-series. While the organic Nousjadeul-Ger Dyrl suits more for the more organic Zentraedi inspiration in the film. 

The thing about that is that the Rhea model in particular was made for both female and male Zentradi to pilot, which is why we got both Klan Klan and Kamujin-clone Temujin to pilot them, much less the few dozen (?) units the all-male 33rd Marine Battalion had. If anything I'd kinda wish we got a contemporary grunt Nousjadeul-type battlesuit to contrast with the elite, hard-to-mass-produce Queadluun-Rhea, like the VF-171 to the VF-25. But I suppose the anti-ship cannon is pretty much the only visual sign that both models have been combined together.

Edited November 10, 2023 by TG Remix

[pengbuzz]

19 minutes ago, TG Remix said:

The thing about that is that the Rhea model in particular was made for both female and male Zentradi to pilot, which is why we got both Klan Klan and Kamujin-clone Temujin to pilot them, much less the few dozen (?) units the all-male 33rd Marine Battalion had. If anything I'd kinda wish we got a contemporary grunt Nousjadeul-type battlesuit to contrast with the elite, hard-to-mass-produce Queadluun-Rhea, like the VF-171 to the VF-25. But I suppose the anti-ship cannon is pretty much the only visual sign that both models have been combined together.

I've read somewhere that they made a version of the Rhea for their most elite pilots, whom are considered the most dangerous in the fleets. A dire version,  if you will.

It's best not to get in their way, especially if they're headed back to their ship at a high rate of speed...

Edited November 10, 2023 by pengbuzz

[Seto Kaiba]

1 hour ago, Invid99 said:

Honestlu and I probably said it before, I never liked the tv-version of the Nousjadeul-ger. It looks like it's been put together from a pile of wreckages.

That's a rather unfair and insulting statement.  There's nothing wrong with the TV version of the Nousjadeul-Ger, and it definitely does not look like it was made from wreckage.

 

1 hour ago, Invid99 said:

Would rather liked if there were a male version of the Queadluun like the Rhea for the tv-series. While the organic Nousjadeul-Ger Dyrl suits more for the more organic Zentraedi inspiration in the film. 

The Queadluun-Rhea is not a "male version" of the Queadluun-Rau.

The Queadluun-Rhea is an improved reproduction of the Queadluun-Rau that General Galaxy developed for the New UN Forces starting in the late 2030s.  Accommodating male pilots wasn't a consideration.  The design team's goal was to produce a replacement for the military's aging fleet of secondhand Queadluun-Rau battle suits that was in line with the military's requirements regarding operational capabilities and particularly survivability.  

As noted previously, the reason the Queadluun-series battle suits were used exclusively by female Zentradi was pretty much purely a matter of piloting ability and limited supply.  Male Zentradi are engineered for size, for brute strength, and for durability.  They didn't have the reflexes or the g-force endurance to bring out the full potential of the Queadluun-series battle suit, so the Protoculture went and built a better pilot: the female Zentradi.  If there were a male version - and the unnamed battle suit from Plus is basically that - its performance would be much lower than the Queadluun-series because the male Zentradi have slower reflexes and aren't as able to endure high g-forces.  The Queadluun-series battle suits are all about extreme maneuverability.

 

 

1 hour ago, TG Remix said:

If anything I'd kinda wish we got a contemporary grunt Nousjadeul-type battlesuit to contrast with the elite, hard-to-mass-produce Queadluun-Rhea, like the VF-171 to the VF-25. But I suppose the anti-ship cannon is pretty much the only visual sign that both models have been combined together.

Well, in the Macross Frontier novelization and in Macross the Ride we have something close... the Neo Glaug bis.  

It's a manned version of the Neo Glaug, the unmanned variable battle pod that was a competitor to the Ghost X-9 in 2040.

 

 

52 minutes ago, pengbuzz said:

I've read somewhere that they made a version of the Rhea for their most elite pilots, whom are considered the most dangerous in the fleets. A dire version,  if you will.

It's best not to get in their way, especially if they're headed back to their ship at a high rate of speed...

... that joke is awful. 

I'm not sure if you should be ashamed or proud of that one.  Possibly both.

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17 minutes ago, Seto Kaiba said:

That's a rather unfair and insulting statement.  There's nothing wrong with the TV version of the Nousjadeul-Ger, and it definitely does not look like it was made from wreckage.

 

Sorry for that. I will try to say this in a more diplomatic way: The male suit parts are so inconsistent. The penguin flat feet and the helmet doesn't match with the overall streamlined body.