frothymug Posted January 14, 2012 Posted January 14, 2012 Sketchley, where did you get the information about Galaxy's location as of the end of the series? Quote
sketchley Posted January 14, 2012 Posted January 14, 2012 It's in the last couple of episodes of the MF TV series. Quote
miles316 Posted January 14, 2012 Posted January 14, 2012 (edited) I have a question about Macross frountier Gala 4 it had a reaction/reflex weapons bunker, a out post for a Zentradi UN unit, the crshed SDF-4 global with masive Vajra colony (mobile hive, plus large escort ships). which came first was that Reaction bomb bunker left over from the protoculture and that was why the UN had a presence? Did the UN pick that planet to house the reaction bomb stockpile which made it a target for Galaxy to deplete a large portion of the reaction weapon stock pile? Edited January 14, 2012 by miles316 Quote
frothymug Posted January 15, 2012 Posted January 15, 2012 What I mean is the whereabouts of Galaxy's mainland carrier. Only Battle Galaxy was seen in the last episode... right before it got punched in half. Love that scene, btw. Quote
sketchley Posted January 16, 2012 Posted January 16, 2012 What I mean is the whereabouts of Galaxy's mainland carrier. Only Battle Galaxy was seen in the last episode... right before it got punched in half. Love that scene, btw. I recommend you take a closer look at the final few episodes, as there are a lot of Deneb and Dulfim class ships also seen around the Vajra planet during the battle. Regarding Mainland 1, which is a Super Long Range Emigrant ship and not a (combat) carrier, it's fate is indicated earlier in the series, and is not present at the battle of the Vajra mother world. Quote
VF-15 Banshee Posted January 16, 2012 Posted January 16, 2012 I've only seen Frontier once so far so do thye indicate thta Mainland 1 was destroyed by the Vajra? Quote
azrael Posted January 16, 2012 Author Posted January 16, 2012 I've only seen Frontier once so far so do thye indicate thta Mainland 1 was destroyed by the Vajra? Even watching it once, it's pretty hard to have missed that scene. Quote
frothymug Posted January 16, 2012 Posted January 16, 2012 ...but it wasn't destroyed! Watch the credits at the end of episode 15. It looks fine to me! It's surrounded by a bunch of ships and asteroids, but they never say exactly where it is. You never get to ascertain the fate of the mainland carrier after that point, as far as my memory goes. Quote
sketchley Posted January 16, 2012 Posted January 16, 2012 (edited) As I said: "Regarding Mainland 1, which is a Super Long Range Emigrant ship and not a (combat) carrier, it's fate is indicated earlier in the series, and is not present at the battle of the Vajra mother world." (and just to double-plus clarify: the linky I gave earlier is in regards to the FLEETS, not the SLRE ships) Edited January 16, 2012 by sketchley Quote
VF5SS Posted January 16, 2012 Posted January 16, 2012 oh so that's where Grenade Box Protector comes from jeez I've owned this book for like five years duh oh Macross Hobby Handbook and your fanfiction Quote
eugimon Posted January 16, 2012 Posted January 16, 2012 lol, that drawing of hikaru being dressed is awesome Quote
frothymug Posted January 17, 2012 Posted January 17, 2012 As I said: "Regarding Mainland 1, which is a Super Long Range Emigrant ship and not a (combat) carrier, it's fate is indicated earlier in the series, and is not present at the battle of the Vajra mother world." (and just to double-plus clarify: the linky I gave earlier is in regards to the FLEETS, not the SLRE ships) As a suggestion then, perhaps you should clarify what you mean on your site. It looks like what you're saying is that the fleet in its entirety was last seen in orbit around the Vajra homeworld. Do you mean that it was there at the beginning of the series, or was it there when the final battle took place in the last two episodes? Judging on some responses so far, everyone seems to think that the fleet itself was destroyed, including the SLRE ships. Quote
sketchley Posted January 17, 2012 Posted January 17, 2012 (edited) As a suggestion then, perhaps you should clarify what you mean on your site. It looks like what you're saying is that the fleet in its entirety was last seen in orbit around the Vajra homeworld. Do you mean that it was there at the beginning of the series, or was it there when the final battle took place in the last two episodes? Judging on some responses so far, everyone seems to think that the fleet itself was destroyed, including the SLRE ships. The point of that guide is to collate what little published information there is on the SLRE fleets and their last known location. I, and, to the best of my knowledge, no one else has collated a list of the fate of SLRE ships. If you wish to do so, you have my blessing. Why someone would assume that the status and location indicates the entire fleet's history has left me scratching my head in confusion; especially as status implies the last known condition or state. Edited January 18, 2012 by sketchley Quote
frothymug Posted January 17, 2012 Posted January 17, 2012 I'm going to start this post out by stating that my original question was, in no way, meant to invalidate the information listed on your site. I had a completely different impression, and wanted to know the source of such information. Your subsequent answers were intentionally vague so that your published material stays correct... and it is technically right. The question and suggestion was intended to help dispel any confusion that may arise from this special situation: The whereabouts of Galaxy's mainland carrier is unknown. Therefore, it's fate is also unknown. The series, nor any of the published material (to my knowledge) does not give any answers on where it is. To assume that the military fleet was destroyed in orbit around the Vajra homeworld is also a stretch. In the series, only a handful of carriers (undesignated class) and Deneb-class cruisers are seen. It's entirely plausible that only a sliver of Galaxy's military forces were needed for that operation, since the Vajra swarm was able to be manipulated for their own gain. Why would I want to create my own list of fleet locations, when I can offer a suggestion to add an extra level of detail on your own? If you don't want to change anything at my behest because your material is perfect as-is, that's your choice. I apologize if I came off as being antagonistic towards your work, as that was not my intention. I want to merely get my facts straight and perhaps help dispel any confusion around this matter for everyone else. What do you think is the correct answer? You don't have to publish it, but I would certainly like to know what you think. Quote
Reïvaj Posted January 17, 2012 Posted January 17, 2012 It looks like the more you ask the harder it gets for you to have a straight answer! Quote
sketchley Posted January 17, 2012 Posted January 17, 2012 It looks like the more you ask the harder it gets for you to have a straight answer! Because that's the way Macross works. Look at Kawamori-san's answer to fans asking about a sequel to Macross F, for example. Quote
sketchley Posted January 17, 2012 Posted January 17, 2012 (edited) To assume that the military fleet was destroyed in orbit around the Vajra homeworld is also a stretch. In the series, only a handful of carriers (undesignated class) and Deneb-class cruisers are seen. It's entirely plausible that only a sliver of Galaxy's military forces were needed for that operation, since the Vajra swarm was able to be manipulated for their own gain. I have not stated nor indicated that the Galaxy fleet has been destroyed. Here's the line to remind you: "last seen, heavily damaged, in orbit of the Vajra Homeworld; 2059.09.02. " Was that the whole fleet? Was the emigrant ship destroyed? Only Kawamori san knows. Also, please keep in mind that I've created other resources that provide more insight into the histories of each fleet. Edited January 17, 2012 by sketchley Quote
frothymug Posted January 17, 2012 Posted January 17, 2012 Yeah, that's true... I misspoke when I said "destroyed", then. When I read your site, it led me to believe that the entire military fleet and SLRE ships were in orbit around the Vajra homeworld. I needed clarification and made a suggestion to make a change so there won't be any more misconceptions. I'm cool with it if we know that Battle Galaxy was destroyed, along with at least a complement of the military fleet. However, the location of the mainland carrier and any remaining escort fleet is still unknown. Quote
sketchley Posted January 18, 2012 Posted January 18, 2012 Yeah, that's true... I misspoke when I said "destroyed", then. When I read your site, it led me to believe that the entire military fleet and SLRE ships were in orbit around the Vajra homeworld. I needed clarification and made a suggestion to make a change so there won't be any more misconceptions. I'm cool with it if we know that Battle Galaxy was destroyed, along with at least a complement of the military fleet. However, the location of the mainland carrier and any remaining escort fleet is still unknown. Perhaps you should make the suggestions, or better yet, incorporate your suggestions in the Macross Compendium? That site has a page dedicated to the Macross Galaxy fleet, and I'm sure that a consolidation of all that is known about the time line and fate of the fleet would be appreciated by many. Quote
VF-15 Banshee Posted January 18, 2012 Posted January 18, 2012 Is there any way to compare the performance of the Valkyrie II and the Messiah? Quote
VF5SS Posted January 18, 2012 Posted January 18, 2012 One has several different types of merchandise that fill all avenues of media from keychains to deluxe transforming toys... oh you mean the other way Naw. All Valkyrie fights are the same. Quote
sketchley Posted January 18, 2012 Posted January 18, 2012 (edited) Naw. All Valkyrie fights are the same. Erm, armaments and endurance (we don't have definite mission duration times) aside, there is one way: Engine output & sustained G loading. VF-2SS: 25,600 kg (or 251.05 kN) x 2; 17 G (backwards movement*; used human limitations as no G load limits have been published for the airframe) VF-25: 1,620 kN (or 165,193.99 kg) x2, 27.5 G (unclear which axis of movement; most likely all, due to ISC) Clearly, the VF-2SS is outmanoeuvred and out-accelerated. * See http://www.answerbag.com/q_view/316299 for further examples (wikipedia... not... available... in... English... ) Edited January 18, 2012 by sketchley Quote
azrael Posted January 18, 2012 Author Posted January 18, 2012 Is there any way to compare the performance of the Valkyrie II and the Messiah? On paper, yes. Other than that? No. Ex. 1: Millia in her old VF-1 kicked more ass than Gamlin in Millia's precious VF-1. Ex. 2: Hakuna Aoba uses a VF-1 (however heavily modified) in Vanquish races while many others use much more advanced VFs with similar types of modifications and yet he still is able to win a race. Quote
VF-15 Banshee Posted January 18, 2012 Posted January 18, 2012 I'm going to guess then that the Valkyrie II's lack of advancement was probably due to the complacency of UN Spacy in the M2 timeline? Quote
VF5SS Posted January 18, 2012 Posted January 18, 2012 I'm going to guess then that the Valkyrie II's lack of advancement was probably due to the complacency of UN Spacy in the M2 timeline? More like the people making the model kit boxes didn't have as high numbers to try and one up since all that was available was the VF-4 :3 Quote
VF-15 Banshee Posted January 19, 2012 Posted January 19, 2012 Why ya gotta ruin it for me Veef? Quote
sketchley Posted January 19, 2012 Posted January 19, 2012 I'm going to guess then that the Valkyrie II's lack of advancement was probably due to the complacency of UN Spacy in the M2 timeline? Hopefully the resident MII experts will chime in on this at some point... If memory serves, in the MII timeline, the VF-1 was basically considered sufficient. There were some upgrades over the years, namely the ~R series, which is in use in 2036. Pictures here: http://www.mahq.net/mecha/macross/macross2036/index.htm The VF-4 doesn't appear to have replaced the VF-1. Eventually the VF-2SS is developed, but it doesn't get mass produced until the mid 2080's. Quote
miles316 Posted January 20, 2012 Posted January 20, 2012 (edited) Erm, armaments and endurance (we don't have definite mission duration times) aside, there is one way: Engine output & sustained G loading. VF-2SS: 25,600 kg (or 251.05 kN) x 2; 17 G (backwards movement*; used human limitations as no G load limits have been published for the airframe) VF-25: 1,620 kN (or 165,193.99 kg) x2, 27.5 G (unclear which axis of movement; most likely all, due to ISC) Clearly, the VF-2SS is outmanoeuvred and out-accelerated. * See http://www.answerbag.com/q_view/316299 for further examples (wikipedia... not... available... in... English... ) wasnt their tecnology developed in the 2030's adapted from Zentradi tech that alowed for the doubleing of the G limit of VF's ( inertial store converter)? Edited January 20, 2012 by miles316 Quote
sketchley Posted January 20, 2012 Posted January 20, 2012 wasnt their tecnology developed in the 2030's adapted from Zentradi tech that alowed for the doubleing of the G limit of VF's ( inertial store converter)? Can you clarify who the "their" is referring to? Quote
VF-15 Banshee Posted January 20, 2012 Posted January 20, 2012 Are there any Super, Armored or FAST packs for the VF-14 Vampire? Quote
miles316 Posted January 21, 2012 Posted January 21, 2012 Can you clarify who the "their" is referring to? Inetia vector control system in the macross mecha manual in the yf-21 section it stated it was derived from the Queadluun -rau battle suit I thought it helped lessen the g forces on the pilot. Quote
sketchley Posted January 21, 2012 Posted January 21, 2012 Ah... you mean the Studio Nue timeline, not the MII timeline. Quote
rotorhead Posted January 22, 2012 Posted January 22, 2012 Ok, here's one that's always puzzled me: why are there so many capital-ship mecha? I understand that the SDF-1 reconfigured so that it could fire its main gun, and it just "happened" to look humanoid, but what's the reasoning behind other capital mecha? Guessed answer #1: it looks awful cool Quote
Beltane70 Posted January 22, 2012 Posted January 22, 2012 Pretty much as you said, it looks cool. Quote
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