The Newbie and Short Questions thread

[Seto Kaiba]

10 minutes ago, Invid99 said:

Was that supposed to be the movie version Quamzin?

Yes, his name is Quamzin 03350.

 

10 minutes ago, Invid99 said:

Was he also the one who were inside the SDF-1 ship and about to capture Minmay? 

Nope.  The three Nousjadeul-Ger battle suits that break into the Macross's city section near the beginning of the movie are piloted by the movie versions of the original show's lolicon trio - Roli Dosel, Warera Nantes, and Conda Bromco - who later attend Global's truce declaration as the micloned representatives of the Boddole Zer main fleet.

They're credited in the film as Roli 28356, Warera 25258, and Conda 88333.

The Nousjadeul-Ger that faceplants into the building Minmay and Kaifun were in is piloted by Conda 88333.  The person talking to him over the radio when he declares "Zentran and Meltran?!" is indicated to be Roli 28356 by the caption in the Gold Book.  Presumably he's piloting the platoon leader machine that came in with Conda's.  The third, who says "Yak deculture" is Warera.

[Invid99]

19 minutes ago, Seto Kaiba said:

Yes, his name is Quamzin 03350.

 

Nope.  The three Nousjadeul-Ger battle suits that break into the Macross's city section near the beginning of the movie are piloted by the movie versions of the original show's lolicon trio - Roli Dosel, Warera Nantes, and Conda Bromco - who later attend Global's truce declaration as the micloned representatives of the Boddole Zer main fleet.

They're credited in the film as Roli 28356, Warera 25258, and Conda 88333.

The Nousjadeul-Ger that faceplants into the building Minmay and Kaifun were in is piloted by Conda 88333.  The person talking to him over the radio when he declares "Zentran and Meltran?!" is indicated to be Roli 28356 by the caption in the Gold Book.  Presumably he's piloting the platoon leader machine that came in with Conda's.  The third, who says "Yak deculture" is Warera.

Oh thanks. But didn't Warera get killed by Hikaru in that scene? He was the one tried to grab Minmay right?

[Seto Kaiba]

1 minute ago, Invid99 said:

Oh thanks. But didn't Warera get killed by Hikaru in that scene? He was the one tried to grab Minmay right?

Nah, must've been one of the guys from the other platoon that came in behind Roli's... because Roli, Warera, and Conda are still alive to attend the truce announcement later in the film.

The one that gets shot down by Hikaru has platoon leader colors, so presumably the leader of the other trio of battle suits.

[Invid99]

I've always pondered why the Nousjadeul-ger suit have to carry a hand-firearm. They have the one big side cannon on the back and the middle cannon to use. Maybe they are just giving single-shot, while the hand-firearm gives automatic burst? The Quadluun-rau have intergrated guns in it's arms. 

 

[Seto Kaiba]

15 minutes ago, Invid99 said:

I've always pondered why the Nousjadeul-ger suit have to carry a hand-firearm. They have the one big side cannon on the back and the middle cannon to use. Maybe they are just giving single-shot, while the hand-firearm gives automatic burst? The Quadluun-rau have intergrated guns in it's arms. 

Versatility, mainly... though cost was likely also a major factor.

One thing to remember about the Queadluun-Rau is that, outside of DYRL?, it's so complex, difficult to manufacture, resource-intensive (read: "expensive"), and difficult to use that the Protoculture had to literally Build a Better Pilot and restrict its use to elite forces.  It's also closer to being an aircraft than a proper battle suit.

The Nousjadeul-Ger, on the other hand, can be economically mass-produced and widely deployed to regular Zentradi forces.  It's designed to be highly versatile, and one way for it to expand that versatility is with handheld weapons.  Its main weapon is the dorsally-mounted plasma cannon, though that's only meant for medium-range engagements and is a bit on the cumbersome side.  Its secondary weapon is the fixed medium-bore rapid-fire impact cannon in its chest, but its field of fire is limited by the need to point the entire body of the mecha at the target.  The laser machine pistol is the standard sidearm deployed with the Nousjadeul-Ger because it offers a high rate of fire, balanced performance at all ranges, and the ability to aim off-axis because it's handheld.  It's also not dependent on the mecha's reactor, since it has its own internal power source.

[Invid99]

37 minutes ago, Seto Kaiba said:

Versatility, mainly... though cost was likely also a major factor.

One thing to remember about the Queadluun-Rau is that, outside of DYRL?, it's so complex, difficult to manufacture, resource-intensive (read: "expensive"), and difficult to use that the Protoculture had to literally Build a Better Pilot and restrict its use to elite forces.  It's also closer to being an aircraft than a proper battle suit.

The Nousjadeul-Ger, on the other hand, can be economically mass-produced and widely deployed to regular Zentradi forces.  It's designed to be highly versatile, and one way for it to expand that versatility is with handheld weapons.  Its main weapon is the dorsally-mounted plasma cannon, though that's only meant for medium-range engagements and is a bit on the cumbersome side.  Its secondary weapon is the fixed medium-bore rapid-fire impact cannon in its chest, but its field of fire is limited by the need to point the entire body of the mecha at the target.  The laser machine pistol is the standard sidearm deployed with the Nousjadeul-Ger because it offers a high rate of fire, balanced performance at all ranges, and the ability to aim off-axis because it's handheld.  It's also not dependent on the mecha's reactor, since it has its own internal power source.

So the Meltrandi(Macross 82 show) mainly uses Battlepods and Gnerl ships as their main forces just like the male Zentradis? 

[Seto Kaiba]

21 minutes ago, Invid99 said:

So the Meltrandi(Macross 82 show) mainly uses Battlepods and Gnerl ships as their main forces just like the male Zentradis? 

Yeah, the Regult that Hikaru, Misa, Kakizaki, and Max steal to return to the Macross in Ep12 "Big Escape" is stolen from one of the ships in the Laplapmiz Direct Defense Fleet.

[sketchley]

10 hours ago, Seto Kaiba said:

One thing to remember about the Queadluun-Rau is that, outside of DYRL?, it's so complex, difficult to manufacture, resource-intensive (read: "expensive"), and difficult to use that the Protoculture had to literally Build a Better Pilot and restrict its use to elite forces.  It's also closer to being an aircraft than a proper battle suit.

Even in the game version (for the PS1 and Sega Saturn) the creators deemed it "expensive", and reserved it for unit leaders—creating the lower-spec Quadoran-Nona for the lower-ranked personnel.  Specifically a "simplified, mass-produced version for the average soldier", as apparently only the elite of the better-built pilots could handle the Quadoran-Ro!

http://sdfyodogawa.mywebcommunity.org/Stats/Statistics/ZentraadiAerospace/Queadluun-Nona.php

[Invid99]

Seeing how big the Zentraedi is, do they have to almost fold themselves inside a Regult battle pod? The Regult is slightly bigger than a Valkyrie, and a standard Zentraedi is almost the same size as the figher jet. 

Edited April 3, 2021 by Invid99

[Seto Kaiba]

3 minutes ago, Invid99 said:

Seeing how big the Zentraedi is, do they have to almost fold themselves inside a Regult battle pod? 

Ergonomically, it's not exactly a pretty picture.... this is from the production line art of the original series.  That's a 9m tall pilot pretzeled into that cockpit.

Mind you, cramped conditions and terrible posture are only the beginning of a Regult pilot's woes.  Because it was designed to be simple and easily mass-produced, it has overall low performance, low defensive ability due to its thin armor, and a comparatively low level of automation that requires a lot of manual control from the pilot.  The amount of manual input needed from the pilot, combined with the awful conditions, is said to make operating a Regult more tiring than fighting on foot.

[Invid99]

24 minutes ago, Seto Kaiba said:

Ergonomically, it's not exactly a pretty picture.... this is from the production line art of the original series.  That's a 9m tall pilot pretzeled into that cockpit.

Mind you, cramped conditions and terrible posture are only the beginning of a Regult pilot's woes.  Because it was designed to be simple and easily mass-produced, it has overall low performance, low defensive ability due to its thin armor, and a comparatively low level of automation that requires a lot of manual control from the pilot.  The amount of manual input needed from the pilot, combined with the awful conditions, is said to make operating a Regult more tiring than fighting on foot.

Thanks for the photo. That looked very uncomfortable indeed!

[Invid99]

Is there any particular reason why the Nousjadeul-ger got a different design in DYRL? The Queadluun-rau tv ver. is almost the same as in the movie. So why was the NG so different? I look at the tv version and it just look heavier and bulkier. 

[treatment]

39 minutes ago, Invid99 said:

Is there any particular reason why the Nousjadeul-ger got a different design in DYRL? The Queadluun-rau tv ver. is almost the same as in the movie. So why was the NG so different? I look at the tv version and it just look heavier and bulkier. 

 

DYRL had better budget and better time/schedule-management...

 

 

[Bolt]

Looks way different..

[Seto Kaiba]

1 hour ago, Invid99 said:

Is there any particular reason why the Nousjadeul-ger got a different design in DYRL? The Queadluun-rau tv ver. is almost the same as in the movie. So why was the NG so different? I look at the tv version and it just look heavier and bulkier. 

Reworked to better fit the overall aesthetic they were going with for the movie.

[Invid99]

I kinda wished they kept the tv suit for the movie, and have it being a standard for the average Zentraedi soldiers. While the redesign is a commando/elite ones. 

Have it recolored to match the Regult pods. The standard suit can potentially be a supporting force for the battle pods. 

[Bolt]

Is there a known duration for the  Walkure suites/dresses ?

[Master Dex]

1 hour ago, Bolt said:

Is there a known duration for the  Walkure suites/dresses ?

Duration? Like how long do they wear or display them? They wear what they need until they need to change I expect. If it's a virtual outfit as we know they do in concerts I expect.. they keep them active until they change it.

I highly doubt there is a time limit.

[Bolt]

They fly.. they project shields.. I'm talking that stuff.

[Seto Kaiba]

3 hours ago, Bolt said:

Is there a known duration for the  Walkure suites/dresses ?

2 hours ago, Bolt said:

They fly.. they project shields.. I'm talking that stuff.

Not that I am aware of.  The first battle sequence in the series does depict at least some of Walkure's gear, like the Cygnus multi-drone plates, as having limited battery life that needs recharging from an external power source (e.g. the chargers carried by the Delta Flight VF-31s).  It's not clear how long the battery life on those devices is, since in most cases they're seemingly being operated using external power.

Though, the "flight" isn't really flight... they can hover to a limited extent and slow long falls to a non-injurious degree using a nitrogen gas jet cluster worn like a skirt.  It's a separate system from their costumes with very limited endurance.  Sheryl Nome used a similar system in the first Macross Frontier movie, and like Walkure's it was worn as a skirt underneath the holographic costumes.

Edited April 5, 2021 by Seto Kaiba

[twich]

question related to the zentradi combat mecha.  In the battlesuits and the regult, where/how big is the reactor to power the mecha and does it offer sufficient shielding for the pilot to protect them from a thermonuclear reactor that is behind their backs/heads/nether regions?  I realize that the zentradi are disposable troopers, but having your soldiers suffer from radiation poisoning doesn't seem all that productive.  This question has a bit of the basis in the Terminator armor from Warhammer 40k.  In the terminator suit, the reactor is behind their head with just a small division between.

Twich

[Bolt]

They 'splode pretty easy..

[Seto Kaiba]

38 minutes ago, twich said:

question related to the zentradi combat mecha.  In the battlesuits and the regult, where/how big is the reactor to power the mecha and does it offer sufficient shielding for the pilot to protect them from a thermonuclear reactor that is behind their backs/heads/nether regions?

Pretty much the only place the Regult's compact thermonuclear reactor could be is in the mecha's "pelvis", for want of a better term.  It's a safe bet that the battle suits keep theirs in the "backpack" so it's close to the engines it's powering and protected from the front by the body of the mecha.

One of the virtues of Overtechnology-based thermonuclear reactors is that they can be made VERY small if need be.  The one in the heart of the VF-1's FF-2001 engines are less than half a meter long and maybe a third of a meter in diameter.  Basically, about the size of a standard 16" beach ball.

One of the other, highly relevant virtues of Overtechnology-based thermonuclear reactors is that the reaction with standard fuel is aneutronic and the reaction itself produces little in the way of harmful radiation.  The vast majority of the reaction's energy is released as heat, with byproducts including small amounts of neutrinos, positrons, and gamma ray photons.  The reaction is contained by an intense artificial gravity field, so exposure is essentially a non-issue though the reactor is well-shielded by overtechnology super-alloys and a lot of the byproducts are still used to generate energy.

[twich]

I had thought that the issue was a non-issue, since with overtechnology and whatnot, that there was either a non-radiation answer(basically).  Speaking on how small the thermonuclear reactors can be, if it ever gets into the mind of Kawamori/Studio Nue/ to make a combat mecha in the same vein as the ride armors from Mospeada, we will not have to worry about the HBT cannisters or anything, just the small amount of fuel needed to power the reactor/propellant.  They already kind of have something like this in the Ex-Gear control suit/emergency escape suit with powered flight, though the Ex-Gear uses chemical rockets.  Given the amount of times that we see mecha pilots leave their Variable Fighters behind and explore/scout/go make sure the enemy you were just dog fighting is alive after crash landing, a variable power armor that allows for increased mobility and flight seems a wise choice, plus if it would allow for orbital re-entry if your Variable Fighter gets shot down before you can make planet fall.  Just wishful thinking, I guess....

Twich

[Bolt]

Isn't ex gear standard for all 5th gen vf's?

[twich]

The SV-262 does not have Ex-Gear, but all other 5th Gen Variable fighters do.

[JB0]

2 hours ago, twich said:

 Speaking on how small the thermonuclear reactors can be, if it ever gets into the mind of Kawamori/Studio Nue/ to make a combat mecha in the same vein as the ride armors from Mospeada, we will not have to worry about the HBT cannisters or anything, just the small amount of fuel needed to power the reactor/propellant

Wouldn't an HBT canister BE the small amount of fuel? It isn't like an eyedropper of hydrogen will get you hours of fusion.

[twich]

I was thinking that the hydrogen/propellant needed to be cryogenically stored, but if that is not the case, then the aforementioned HBT canister would work perfectly.

Twich

[Invid99]

Did Shoji Kawamori ever considered at the beginning of writing DYRL? to make it as a two-part movies? I was watching the gameplay of DYRL? videogame and it had a cutscene where the Prometheus got destroyed by apparantly Zentradi laser from space. Maybe with two movies they could flesh out parts where it felt rushed, for example how Max and Milia 639 developed their relationship after the fight? 

 

[Seto Kaiba]

9 hours ago, Bolt said:

Isn't ex gear standard for all 5th gen vf's?

As far as we know, except for the Sv-262 Draken III.

 

6 hours ago, JB0 said:

Wouldn't an HBT canister BE the small amount of fuel?

Depends on how you want to define "a small amount".  In MOSPEADA, a single Type-3 HBT cylinder was enough fuel for 380km of driving.

(An HBT canister doesn't contain straight hydrogen, though.  It's a room-temperature hydrogen storage medium similar to cycloalkanes like methylcyclohexane.  A way to store a lot more hydrogen in less space at room temperature for combustion use.

 

6 hours ago, JB0 said:

It isn't like an eyedropper of hydrogen will get you hours of fusion.

A hair over three and a half seconds, all told... assuming a standard 1ml eyedropper.

 

4 hours ago, twich said:

I was thinking that the hydrogen/propellant needed to be cryogenically stored, but if that is not the case, then the aforementioned HBT canister would work perfectly.

The hydrogen fuel used in a compact thermonuclear reactor in Macross is a cryofuel, yes.  It's slush hydrogen.

MOSPEADA's HBT is a hydrogen fuel storage compound, it's meant for combustion rather than fusion.

 

1 hour ago, Invid99 said:

Did Shoji Kawamori ever considered at the beginning of writing DYRL? to make it as a two-part movies? I was watching the gameplay of DYRL? videogame and it had a cutscene where the Prometheus got destroyed by apparantly Zentradi laser from space. Maybe with two movies they could flesh out parts where it felt rushed, for example how Max and Milia 639 developed their relationship after the fight? 

Almost certainly not.

Doing a multi-part movie would have been practically unheard-of.  Yoshiyuki Tomino had to engage in some serious shenanigans to get Gundam's three-part compilation movie approved, and even then Parts II and III were contingent on the success of Part I.  Even then, the only way he got away with that was that the Gundam movies were a compilation feature, reusing existing animation as much as possible.  Macross: Do You Remember Love? was all-original animation, and therefore much more expensive.

[Bolt]

Considering the lack of ex gear. The SV-262 is still a more "expensive " vf, than the xaos VF-31 ?

[Invid99]

14 minutes ago, Seto Kaiba said:

Almost certainly not.

Doing a multi-part movie would have been practically unheard-of.  Yoshiyuki Tomino had to engage in some serious shenanigans to get Gundam's three-part compilation movie approved, and even then Parts II and III were contingent on the success of Part I.  Even then, the only way he got away with that was that the Gundam movies were a compilation feature, reusing existing animation as much as possible.  Macross: Do You Remember Love? was all-original animation, and therefore much more expensive.

I see. Thnx for the answer!

[Seto Kaiba]

3 hours ago, Bolt said:

Considering the lack of ex gear. The SV-262 is still a more "expensive " vf, than the xaos VF-31 ?

Difficult to say, since their cost relative to each other is not commented on... and the Sv-262 is a production aircraft while the Siegfried-type VF-31 used by Delta Flight are expensive aftermarket custom units incorporating a lot of the same high-end performance features the Sv-262 has.  

The Sv-262 is definitely more expensive than the stock VF-31A Kairos used by the other elements of Xaos Ragna 3rd Fighter Wing though.

[Bolt]

Right. I guess i was referring to the Kairos. While assuming the ace customs would be more expensive..

[pengbuzz]

I find it interesting that Windermere's production aircraft are on par with the custom units that Delta uses, in light of the difficulty Delta seems to have with fighting the Aerial Knights (that's the impression I have, anyways). Although to be fair, the machine is only so much of "the show"; the pilot is a different factor. I don't think Delta is exactly on-par with the likes of Diamond Force, for example...

Edited April 6, 2021 by pengbuzz