The Newbie and Short Questions thread

[TG Remix]

4 hours ago, Invid99 said:

4 hours ago, Seto Kaiba said:

That's a rather unfair and insulting statement.  There's nothing wrong with the TV version of the Nousjadeul-Ger, and it definitely does not look like it was made from wreckage.

 

Sorry for that. I will try to say this in a more diplomatic way: The male suit parts are so inconsistent. The penguin flat feet and the helmet doesn't match with the overall streamlined body. 

Honestly, it's my least favorite design myself, but mostly because it doesn't feel consistent with the design pathos of the battle pods and Queadluun-Rau; looking more industrial instead of sleek and without the "eye-sensor" the other mechs have. It's a bit telling that with its redesign by Yutaka Izubuchi in the movie it takes the aesthetics from the latter to fit in.

Though from my previous question, I wonder how many units the Nousjadeul-Ger were left over from the end of the war. The NUNS acquired some themselves with their own garish blue, white, and red coloring, and they lasted long enough to be used as target practice by the time in Plus. Seems like it's in a weird gray area of not too cheap and everywhere like the Regult, but not as high performing and popular as the Rau.

 

4 hours ago, Seto Kaiba said:

Well, in the Macross Frontier novelization and in Macross the Ride we have something close... the Neo Glaug bis.  

It's a manned version of the Neo Glaug, the unmanned variable battle pod that was a competitor to the Ghost X-9 in 2040.

Never a favorite design of mine frustrates me with how much we know but how oh so little we know about it as well. Another thing that mystifies me is that its armaments include four Bifors BML-02S micro-missile launchers, the same kind the YF-21/VF-22 has. But because even though the Neo Glaug has missiles in its boss fight in Macross Plus: Game Edition, and the Variable Glaug in its M3 boss fights, officially there's no word on where they'd launch from the machine. Adding to the confusion is that the UN type doesn't have any missile capacity when it's a playable unit in M3.

[Seto Kaiba]

29 minutes ago, TG Remix said:

Though from my previous question, I wonder how many units the Nousjadeul-Ger were left over from the end of the war. The NUNS acquired some themselves with their own garish blue, white, and red coloring, and they lasted long enough to be used as target practice by the time in Plus. Seems like it's in a weird gray area of not too cheap and everywhere like the Regult, but not as high performing and popular as the Rau.

Probably quite a few more than the Queadluun-Rau, given that the Nousjadeul-Ger battle suit was the battle suit of choice for the far more numerous male Zentradi who made up the bulk of the postwar defectors.

Its survivability was better than the Regult's, but it's no surprise that it was ultimately outshone by both the Regult and the Queadluun-Rau in New UN Forces service.  The Regult had the advantage of numbers, esp. after the Spacy captured one of the factory satellites producing them, and it also had a variety of mission-specific variants.  The Queadluun boasted mobility that exceeded even a Variable Fighter's well into the 2030s so it's no wonder it was the darling of the air forces.  The Nousjadeul's just kinda stuck there in the middle... more survivable and higher performance than the Regult, but far worse in a dogfight than the Queadluun and with nowhere near the flexibility of the Regult's design to boot.

I'm kind of surprised we didn't see them reworked into a workroid like the Cheyenne... their legacy in the main Macross timeline is mostly in the Variable Glaug and Neo Glaug's Battroid mode.

They get a bit more love in the Macross II timeline.  Therein, the UN Forces capture a factory satellite producing Zentradi battle suits in the late 2030s and the technology reverse engineered from that becomes the basis for the Valkyrie II series... the Zentradi Valkyrie, the VF-2, VF-2SS, and VF-2JA.

 

 

29 minutes ago, TG Remix said:

Never a favorite design of mine frustrates me with how much we know but how oh so little we know about it as well. Another thing that mystifies me is that its armaments include four Bifors BML-02S micro-missile launchers, the same kind the YF-21/VF-22 has. But because even though the Neo Glaug has missiles in its boss fight in Macross Plus: Game Edition, and the Variable Glaug in its M3 boss fights, officially there's no word on where they'd launch from the machine. Adding to the confusion is that the UN type doesn't have any missile capacity when it's a playable unit in M3.

Ah, game designs... gotta love it.

 

[pengbuzz]

13 hours ago, Seto Kaiba said:

... that joke is awful. 

I'm not sure if you should be ashamed or proud of that one.  Possibly both.

I shall proudly hang my head in shame then. 

  

13 hours ago, Invid99 said:

Sorry for that. I will try to say this in a more diplomatic way: The male suit parts are so inconsistent. The penguin flat feet and the helmet doesn't match with the overall streamlined body. 

 

HEY!!! Are you discriminating against penguins, buddy??!!

Edited November 11, 2023 by pengbuzz

[TG Remix]

13 hours ago, Seto Kaiba said:

The Regult had the advantage of numbers, esp. after the Spacy captured one of the factory satellites producing them, and it also had a variety of mission-specific variants. 

I'm just imagining the New UN Spacy/Air Force/Navy squadrons of battlepods being exponentially larger than most units of variable fighters. 😆

 

UN Regult pilot: "Sir, the miclones have only up to 26 Valkyries in their squadrons, do we really need triple the amount?"

UN Captain: "You've been piloting one for 10 years now, how many times you almost didn't come back when you went with only a flight of eight?"

 

13 hours ago, Seto Kaiba said:

I'm kind of surprised we didn't see them reworked into a workroid like the Cheyenne... their legacy in the main Macross timeline is mostly in the Variable Glaug and Neo Glaug's Battroid mode.

Battle/powered suit Workoids....I actually really like that idea. 😄Certainly makes sense with how effective giant Zentradi was with industrial work.

 

13 hours ago, Seto Kaiba said:

The Nousjadeul's just kinda stuck there in the middle... more survivable and higher performance than the Regult, but far worse in a dogfight than the Queadluun and with nowhere near the flexibility of the Regult's design to boot.

It says a lot when in Delta's first episode the Regults and Glaugs came back, some with Queadluun Rhea parts even, while the Nousjadeul was an absolute no show. If it helps its case, the only Zentradi mech that has even less of a legacy is the Gnerl...Kawamori apparently spent an entire sketchbook trying to get the thing right, and not only does it barely appear in SDF itself, but it's forgotten in the movie and never reappears in animation again!

 

13 hours ago, Seto Kaiba said:

Ah, game designs... gotta love it.

Honestly it wouldn't be an issue if Kawamori drew where they'd come from, and/or if Macross The Ride elaborated on its details some more. My only guess for the Bifors BML-02S to come out from would either be the arms (the same as where they come from the VF-4), or the plates near the engine nacelles (closer to where missiles from where the Glaug came from,) but even then it doesn't have the openings the YF-21/VF-22 or VF-171 has.

Edited November 11, 2023 by TG Remix

[Invid99]

11 hours ago, TG Remix said:

Honestly, it's my least favorite design myself, but mostly because it doesn't feel consistent with the design pathos of the battle pods and Queadluun-Rau; looking more industrial instead of sleek and without the "eye-sensor" the other mechs have. It's a bit telling that with its redesign by Yutaka Izubuchi in the movie it takes the aesthetics from the latter to fit in.

I agree with the common eye sensor. Even the Gnerl and Quel-Quallie Theatre Scout Pod has the eye sensors and feels they belong more in line with Zentreadi aesthetics. 

The DYRL Nousjadeul-Ger are one of my favourite mecha in Macross and I'm happy it got a redesign for the film. 

However, if the tv show male suit had somewhat the design similar to Super Dimension Cavalry Southern Cross Bioroid suits like the examples here, they would look more in line with Zentraedi aesthetic despite not having the eye sensors. But at least the streamlined and more biomechanical figures would. Just add the turret and booster thrusters. 

 

 

 

Edited November 11, 2023 by Invid99

[Seto Kaiba]

8 hours ago, TG Remix said:

I'm just imagining the New UN Spacy/Air Force/Navy squadrons of battlepods being exponentially larger than most units of variable fighters. 😆

Well, there may be something to that... at least in the very oldest versions of the lore.

The old Sky Angels book lists both pre- and post-war aircraft complements for the ARMD-class space carrier.  The post-war complement has done away with the 78 Lancers that were previously the main manned fighter complement and scaled back the number of Ghosts to just 120 in order to accommodate a full-strength squadron of 24 Valkyries... and 94 Regults.

 

8 hours ago, TG Remix said:

Battle/powered suit Workoids....I actually really like that idea. 😄Certainly makes sense with how effective giant Zentradi was with industrial work.

The best part is they've already got the high manual dexterity needed AND the fittings to carry multiple tools... you'd just need to remove the impact cannon from the chest and the plasma cannon from the back and you're ready to go.

 

8 hours ago, TG Remix said:

It says a lot when in Delta's first episode the Regults and Glaugs came back, some with Queadluun Rhea parts even, while the Nousjadeul was an absolute no show. If it helps its case, the only Zentradi mech that has even less of a legacy is the Gnerl...Kawamori apparently spent an entire sketchbook trying to get the thing right, and not only does it barely appear in SDF itself, but it's forgotten in the movie and never reappears in animation again!

It does put in appearances in at least one canon game... there are Gnerls tooling around Uroboros in Macross 30: Voices Across the Galaxy.  

[TG Remix]

9 hours ago, Invid99 said:

However, if the tv show male suit had somewhat the design similar to Super Dimension Cavalry Southern Cross Bioroid suits like the examples here, they would look more in line with Zentraedi aesthetic despite not having the eye sensors. But at least the streamlined and more biomechanical figures would. Just add the turret and booster thrusters. 

iirc Miyatake also worked on Southern Cross, right? There's a surprising lack of immediately available info on the series.

 

58 minutes ago, Seto Kaiba said:

Well, there may be something to that... at least in the very oldest versions of the lore.

The old Sky Angels book lists both pre- and post-war aircraft complements for the ARMD-class space carrier.  The post-war complement has done away with the 78 Lancers that were previously the main manned fighter complement and scaled back the number of Ghosts to just 120 in order to accommodate a full-strength squadron of 24 Valkyries... and 94 Regults.

Oh wow I was kidding! Would make sense in the post-SWI days, would be no shock at all to learn there were millions of those left after the war, and then some when the improvement models came. The Sky Angels book was written by Chiba (Not the Fire Bomber fan 😛) before being officially apart of the series, right?

 

1 hour ago, Seto Kaiba said:

The best part is they've already got the high manual dexterity needed AND the fittings to carry multiple tools... you'd just need to remove the impact cannon from the chest and the plasma cannon from the back and you're ready to go.

 

Even better; replace the plasma cannon with a crane and boom! A best seller in the industrial scene! 

 

1 hour ago, Seto Kaiba said:

It does put in appearances in at least one canon game... there are Gnerls tooling around Uroboros in Macross 30: Voices Across the Galaxy.  

They also appear as a part of Black Rainbow's personnel in Stage 2 of Macross VF-X2, escorting the flight of SB-10/10 Starwings alongside the VA-3Ms. Though on the topic of Macross 30, considering the plot of the game involves time travel, are the enemies there just plucked out of their respective timeframes, or are the Zentradi mechs there are part of another pirate/terrorist group?

[Seto Kaiba]

30 minutes ago, TG Remix said:

iirc Miyatake also worked on Southern Cross, right? There's a surprising lack of immediately available info on the series.

Nope. You may be thinking of Orguss... he did not work on Southern Cross.

That was the work of Tatsunoko Production's internal design team "Studio Ammonite": Hiroshi Ogawa, Hirotoshi Okura, and Takashi Ono. 

[pengbuzz]

2 hours ago, TG Remix said:

iirc Miyatake also worked on Southern Cross, right? There's a surprising lack of immediately available info on the series.

 

No...if Miyatake did Southern Cross, the mecha would have looked and functioned a lot better.

[Seto Kaiba]

2 hours ago, TG Remix said:

Oh wow I was kidding! Would make sense in the post-SWI days, would be no shock at all to learn there were millions of those left after the war, and then some when the improvement models came.

Yeah, it was established from a very early point that Humanity started using Zentradi technology after the First Space War.

 

2 hours ago, TG Remix said:

The Sky Angels book was written by Chiba (Not the Fire Bomber fan 😛) before being officially apart of the series, right?

It was written by a circle called MAT, which has variously been explained as "Macross Attack Team" or "Multi-Configuration Analysis Team".  

Masahiro Chiba was the leader of that group, which also included mangaka Nao Minda and mechanical designer Hajime Katoki.  Chiba became associated with Studio Nue staffers through another doujinshi circle led by several, and while the Sky Angels doujinshi series was a fan publication at first the Macross Journal feature was ultimately picked up and put into official media fairly early on because of its exceptional level of detail... and led to Chiba being brought in to write technical setting material for Macross thereafter as well as to collaborate on other Studio Nue projects.

Despite its age, the old Sky Angels VF-1 Tech Manual has found its way into quite a bit of official material including Macross Chronicle and Variable Fighter Master File considers it something of a progenitor.

(And yes, Dr. Gadget M. Chiba from Macross 7 is modeled on the Dr. Masahiro Chiba the writer of Sky Angels and series mechanical setting coordinator.)

 

 

2 hours ago, TG Remix said:

They also appear as a part of Black Rainbow's personnel in Stage 2 of Macross VF-X2, escorting the flight of SB-10/10 Starwings alongside the VA-3Ms. Though on the topic of Macross 30, considering the plot of the game involves time travel, are the enemies there just plucked out of their respective timeframes, or are the Zentradi mechs there are part of another pirate/terrorist group?

Most of 'em are local Zentradi who've been caught up in events, with some being afflicted by an ailment that seems very much like Var syndrome.

Some, like Quamzin's lot, are displaced from their own time.

[Shawn]

On 11/8/2023 at 2:24 PM, Seto Kaiba said:

Macross Chronicle suggests that the reason there aren't male Queadluun-Rau pilots in the Zentradi forces is that the (male) Zentradi lacked the reflexes and g-force resistance to draw out the full potential of the Queadluun-series because they were designed for strength and durability.  The Protoculture's response to the male Zentradi being unable to use the Queadluun-Rau effectively was not to tone its performance down, but to use their mastery of genetic science to build a better pilot in the form of the female Zentradi.

Its complexity and difficulty of manufacture meant that the few Queadluun-Rau battle suits produced went to elite female units where the very best pilots would get them.

That is straight out of Heinlein's Starship Troopers book, where the women were the better pilots due to their ability to sustain a higher G load, too funny!
We know Miyatake was a definite fan of that work 

 

[TG Remix]

On 11/11/2023 at 7:45 PM, Seto Kaiba said:

It was written by a circle called MAT, which has variously been explained as "Macross Attack Team" or "Multi-Configuration Analysis Team".  

Also apparently from Sky Angels and the Master File, when Britai's Nupetiet-Vergnitzs became the NUN Spacy's first battleship, it was also reclassified as SDF-3. I'm not sure how much it conflicts with the SDF-2 Megaroad and the rest of that ship's class, but it does make me wonder about the hull designations of the NUN forces fleet. CV (aircraft carrier) and FF (frigate) are used consistently for the Guantanamo, Uraga, and Northampton classes respectively, and there are unique ones like the NMCV for the New Macross carriers, but considering how a good chunk of NUNS Zentradi ships we see, and a good chunk of the Varauta fleet appropriated by the Protodevlin, are battleships, would they fall into their own designations, or BB (for battleships) would make a comeback as opposed to reality where relatively smaller crafts have effectively replaced battleships?

 

On 11/11/2023 at 7:45 PM, Seto Kaiba said:

Most of 'em are local Zentradi who've been caught up in events, with some being afflicted by an ailment that seems very much like Var syndrome.

Interesting, considering the game takes place 7 years before the Var Syndrome becomes an actual thing. Would this also relate to the game's story? Or somehow Ouroboros's weird biology and nomenclature have something to do with it?

[Seto Kaiba]

22 minutes ago, TG Remix said:

Also apparently from Sky Angels and the Master File, when Britai's Nupetiet-Vergnitzs became the NUN Spacy's first battleship, it was also reclassified as SDF-3. I'm not sure how much it conflicts with the SDF-2 Megaroad and the rest of that ship's class, [...]

Ah, yeah... that.  

So, that little detail is an artifact of Sky Angels having been written three years before we got Macross: Flash Back 2012.  

Super Dimension Fortress Macross was originally intended to end with an epilogue depicting the departure of the SDF-2.*  Prior to Flash Back 2012, the SDF-2 was designed as a second (but larger) Macross-class ship as seen on page 150 of Macross Perfect Memory.  There wasn't really a firm notion of how the SDF hull classification symbol was being used, except that it was for major capital ships/flagships.  So since Vrlitwhai's fleet command battleship was the acting flagship of the Spacy post-timeskip the writers for that doujinshi decided to say it'd been designated SDF-3 to acknowledge its role.

Three years later, Flash Back 2012 came out and the SDF-2's backstory was rewritten such that it had been converted into a Megaroad-class emigrant ship.  Macross II's timeline published in 1992 would establish the existince of multiple Macross and Megaroad-class ships, a detail that the 1994 material for Macross Plus and Macross 7 would also make official.  Macross 7's material would establish the existence of at least thirteen Megaroad-class ships, with the implication of there being at least thirty, and Macross Frontier put paid to it for good with "SDF" being identified as the hull classification symbol for the Megaroad-class.  Macross Chronicle ran with that, and so officially speaking SDF-3 is the Megaroad-02.

 

22 minutes ago, TG Remix said:

[...] but it does make me wonder about the hull designations of the NUN forces fleet. CV (aircraft carrier) and FF (frigate) are used consistently for the Guantanamo, Uraga, and Northampton classes respectively, and there are unique ones like the NMCV for the New Macross carriers, but considering how a good chunk of NUNS Zentradi ships we see, and a good chunk of the Varauta fleet appropriated by the Protodevlin, are battleships, would they fall into their own designations, or BB (for battleships) would make a comeback as opposed to reality where relatively smaller crafts have effectively replaced battleships?

We've only got official hull classification symbols for a few types...

SDF for the first Macross-class ship and Megaroad-class.  SDFN for the mass-produced Macross-class.  NMCV for the Battle-class.  FF being used for the Northampton-class.  The space-based carriers have used three different ones so far, not counting mission modifiers: initially being SCV and ARMD being used interchangeably, then ARMD and CV being used interchangeably, and finally just CV.  The unusual/nonstandard "ARMD" being a nod to the fact that they were originally orbital floating docks converted into warships, and was inspired by the auxiliary floating drydock designations.  We haven't seen anything for the stealth cruiser, the Macross Quarter, or the Spacy's upgraded Zentradi warships.  Given that the Spacy cribs pretty liberally from the US systems in most places, one can assume the Oberth-class destroyers were probably DD numbers, and the stealth cruiser's probably C-something.

Whether the Zentradi ships would be classified separately, by role, etc. is unclear.  Esp. since Zentradi ships are somewhat multipurposeful with line battleships carrying what're analogous to fighters on top of a heavy gun battery.

 

22 minutes ago, TG Remix said:

Interesting, considering the game takes place 7 years before the Var Syndrome becomes an actual thing. Would this also relate to the game's story? Or somehow Ouroboros's weird biology and nomenclature have something to do with it?

It's not really touched on more than as an excuse for why there are a bunch of Zentradi mobs in the game's overworld... something on Uroboros is making the Zentradi's fighting instincts go berserk.  

 

 

* The name for which is the return of the show's original working title Megaroad/Megaload, though it is sometimes (incorrectly) written Megalord in English.

[TG Remix]

On 11/17/2023 at 12:15 AM, Seto Kaiba said:

The space-based carriers have used three different ones so far, not counting mission modifiers: initially being SCV and ARMD being used interchangeably, then ARMD and CV being used interchangeably, and finally just CV. 

That is true by Plus/7, however, looking this up a bit more, it seems by Frontier there's a slight mixup. Instead of both carriers sharing CV, the Guantánamo sports the CVR and the Uraga Class CVS designations. I'm not savvy enough to know why there'd be a difference except the Uraga is rarer, bigger, and more adaptable compared to the former (so much so that iirc they can act as naval vessels on planets themselves), so maybe it's an indicator on that? 

Edit: Realized that CVS was the hull designation for the Prometheus, which was classified as a "super-large-scale semi-submersible attack aircraft carrier," so maybe I'm close to the mark regarding the Urage?

 

On the topic of Frontier, the actual Marines only board ships from the Navy for amphibious operations correct? Which is why it's a bit noticeable both times we see the Zentradi Marines in there have their own Queadol-Magdomilla (The Oceanos/Okeanos), and in Delta the garrison there has Thuverl-Salan. I'm assuming it's because there need to be accommodations for an all-giant Zentradi unit, dedicated ships are required for them where the smaller, common ones won't cut it?

Edited November 18, 2023 by TG Remix

[gizmoduke]

I suspect that Richard Birler, the old school Zentradi / SMS founder in Macross Frontier is actually Conda Bromco one of the three Zentradi infiltrators/defectors from both the original Macross TV series and The Super Dimension Fortress Macross: Do You Remember Love? movie. Anybody agree or disagree abt this presumption?

Edited November 18, 2023 by gizmoduke
error in names

[Seto Kaiba]

3 hours ago, TG Remix said:

That is true by Plus/7, however, looking this up a bit more, it seems by Frontier there's a slight mixup. Instead of both carriers sharing CV, the Guantánamo sports the CVR and the Uraga Class CVS designations. I'm not savvy enough to know why there'd be a difference except the Uraga is rarer, bigger, and more adaptable compared to the former (so much so that iirc they can act as naval vessels on planets themselves), so maybe it's an indicator on that? 

Edit: Realized that CVS was the hull designation for the Prometheus, which was classified as a "super-large-scale semi-submersible attack aircraft carrier," so maybe I'm close to the mark regarding the Urage?

That's probably not a mix-up... but rather a part of the hull classification symbol that denotes a specific operational role.

There are a dizzying array of such codes in the US's existing system.  The one almost everyone is most familiar with is N, which denotes an nuclear power system like those found on classes of modern aircraft carrier (CVN) or submarine (SSN).  Another one that's very common nowadays is a trailing G, which denotes guided missile primary armament.

In Macross Frontier, we see a number of Guantanamo-class Advanced ARMDs with the designation CVR... which, if it means the same thing it does today, would suggest the ship was outfitted to serve as a part of the fleet's radar picket for early warning and reconnaissance duties.  We also see a number of Northampton-class frigates with the designation FFM... a very odd choice that, in today's system, would mean the ship was outfitted as a minelayer but presumably means something else.  The Uraga-class ships we see designated CVS are using a previously established code for a semi-submersible aircraft carrier (in the US system it would denote outfitting for antisubmarine warfare).  That one makes sense given that the Uraga-class are also meant for surface use and an airtight space warship with concessions for surface propulsion shouldn't have any real difficulty running underwater the same way the Prometheus-class was designed to.

 

3 hours ago, TG Remix said:

On the topic of Frontier, the actual Marines only board ships from the Navy for amphibious operations correct? Which is why it's a bit noticeable both times we see the Zentradi Marines in there have their own Queadol-Magdomilla (The Oceanos/Okeanos), and in Delta the garrison there has Thuverl-Salan. I'm assuming it's because there need to be accommodations for an all-giant Zentradi unit, dedicated ships are required for them where the smaller, common ones won't cut it?

It's probably worth noting that there have been two separate Marine Corps organizations in the UN/New UN Forces... one attached to the Navy, and one attached to the Spacy.

The Zentradi marines we've seen belong to the Spacy's Marine Corps.

For maximum confusion, it should be noted that "Spacy" is a contraction of "Space Military" or "Space Forces" rather than "Space Navy"... and it has both an Air Force and a Marine Corps under its banner, and its ranks are consistently presented in-series in English as Army ones rather than Navy ones despite it borrowing quite a bit from the Navy in terminology and in organizational designations.

It seems a safe bet that the use of Zentradi ships for the Zentradi units in the Spacy Marine Corps is for the comfort of those troops, at least some of whom are Zentradi who are assigned there because they've had difficulty adapting to nonmilitary miclone lifestyles.

 

 

1 hour ago, gizmoduke said:

I suspect that Richard Birler, the old school Zentradi / SMS founder in Macross Frontier is actually Conda Bromco one of the three Zentradi infiltrators/defectors from both the original Macross TV series and The Super Dimension Fortress Macross: Do You Remember Love? movie. Anybody agree or disagree abt this presumption?

Eh... I would disagree on the grounds that we know it's not the case.

Richard Bilra's backstory mentions that he commanded a warship in the Vrlitwhai Branch Fleet during the First Space War.  He shared his superior officer's fascination with Earth's culture, and after the war he adopted a human name and founded an interstellar shipping company named Bilra Transport.  By 2040, that business had become so huge that he'd become one of the wealthiest and most influential people in the galaxy, with the resources to found a private security force to protect his company's ships (SMS) and sponsor one of the largest and most advanced emigrant fleets (Macross Frontier) on a mission into the galactic core in search of fold quartz for the sake of his own personal ambitions.

Conda Bromco never commanded a warship or found success in business.  He was an electronic warfare/signals intelligence officer assigned to a Quel-Quallie theater scout pod in the Vrlitwhai Branch Fleet's 08th Reconnaissance-in-Force Unit.  He defected to the UN Forces during the war, and afterwards worked odd jobs in Macross City with his crewmates Roli and Warera.  He and his fellows all struggled with substance abuse and as of 2045 he and Warera were both living with Roli and his wife Vanessa in Macross City.

[cheemingwan1234]

So, about the SDF-1 Macross, do the Megaroad class ships after it have different internsls compared to the SDF-1 because they're built from scratch rathrr than from an alien ship.

[TG Remix]

4 hours ago, Seto Kaiba said:

In Macross Frontier, we see a number of Guantanamo-class Advanced ARMDs with the designation CVR... which, if it means the same thing it does today, would suggest the ship was outfitted to serve as a part of the fleet's radar picket for early warning and reconnaissance duties.  We also see a number of Northampton-class frigates with the designation FFM... a very odd choice that, in today's system, would mean the ship was outfitted as a minelayer but presumably means something else.  The Uraga-class ships we see designated CVS are using a previously established code for a semi-submersible aircraft carrier (in the US system it would denote outfitting for antisubmarine warfare).  That one makes sense given that the Uraga-class are also meant for surface use and an airtight space warship with concessions for surface propulsion shouldn't have any real difficulty running underwater the same way the Prometheus-class was designed to.

That makes sense, especially even though they're the same class of ships we see in Plus/7, they also do have their visual differences, mainly how the Northampton has turrets that pop out of their hull instead of the internal beam cannons. Of course that can be chalked up to different manufacturers, when they were built, variants/etc. Though I am reminded of the CV-565 Saratoga from VF-X2, and I'm wondering if that came from a alternate construction line of the Uraga class, or if it's a specific type of ship dedicated for Special Forces use. 

 

4 hours ago, Seto Kaiba said:

For maximum confusion, it should be noted that "Spacy" is a contraction of "Space Military" or "Space Forces" rather than "Space Navy"... and it has both an Air Force and a Marine Corps under its banner, and its ranks are consistently presented in-series in English as Army ones rather than Navy ones despite it borrowing quite a bit from the Navy in terminology and in organizational designations.

Wait really? I thought it was the third one this entire time! 😆I'd assume so because of the Navy terminology and how close they are to the like. However it is a bit different since unlike the world's current naval forces battleships of varying sizes are still being used, and destroyers aren't the universal standard but instead cruisers and carriers.

 

4 hours ago, Seto Kaiba said:

It seems a safe bet that the use of Zentradi ships for the Zentradi units in the Spacy Marine Corps is for the comfort of those troops, at least some of whom are Zentradi who are assigned there because they've had difficulty adapting to nonmilitary miclone lifestyles.

That and the few Zentradi ships in active service in other branches where they still serve giant crews of sorts. Wandering thought if Zentradi ships under the NUN Forces were equipped with stealth capabilities and functions like the common vessels as well.

 

4 hours ago, Seto Kaiba said:

He and his fellows all struggled with substance abuse and as of 2045 he and Warera were both living with Roli and his wife Vanessa in Macross City.

And I thought Max and Miria had it rough in that time period. 😅

 

2 hours ago, cheemingwan1234 said:

So, about the SDF-1 Macross, do the Megaroad class ships after it have different internsls compared to the SDF-1 because they're built from scratch rathrr than from an alien ship.

The SDF-02 Megaroad-01 did start life as a second Macross class vessel funny enough, it's just that after humanity was rendered near extinct plans and priorities changed and the half-built ship was heavily overhauled as the colony ship we know with the same designation.

Edited November 19, 2023 by TG Remix

[cheemingwan1234]

Do Zentraedi use marching cadences when training or do they train in silence? Sure, they may be genetically engineered big boi/gurl warriors, but a song could be useful for raising morale and keeping their mind off their conditions and focused on their training ahead.

Would be also be logical for why they're stumped by Minmei since her introduction's to Earth songs are different from their marching songs/cadences.

[Seto Kaiba]

2 hours ago, cheemingwan1234 said:

So, about the SDF-1 Macross, do the Megaroad class ships after it have different internsls compared to the SDF-1 because they're built from scratch rathrr than from an alien ship.

Yep... even the pre-remodel SDF-2 Megaroad/Megaload had a significantly different design from the SDF-1 Macross since it was built entirely using Earth's overtechnology and to the somewhat different needs of the UN Forces at the time.

In an amusing bit of truth in television, the post-war mass production Macross-class are said to have no two ships truly alike due to the ad hoc nature of their construction and the use of repurposed/diverted systems from Zentradi ships and elsewhere.  In reality, it could fairly be said that no two ships of the same class are ever truly identical due to the many minor improvements that are made between the individual units and variations caused by issues in construction.

The Megaroad-class is an entirely separate class, so its internal systems are very different to the SDF-1 Macross's since they're a mixture of purpose-built systems for the emigrant ship design and repurposed Earth-original hardware for the original Macross-class design.

 

 

19 minutes ago, TG Remix said:

That makes sense, especially even though they're the same class of ships we see in Plus/7, they also do have their visual differences, mainly how the Northampton has turrets that pop out of their hull instead of the internal beam cannons.

From the look of it, they still appear to have the internal beam guns too...

 

19 minutes ago, TG Remix said:

Of course that can be chalked up to different manufacturers, when they were built, variants/etc. Though I am reminded of the CV-565 Saratoga from VF-X2, and I'm wondering if that came from a alternate construction line of the Uraga class, or if it's a specific type of ship dedicated for Special Forces use. 

It's not often discussed since its only appearance is in a video game, but the Saratoga II-type is generally assumed to be a separate class of space carrier based on the Uraga-class escort battle carrier design.  It's essentially a Uraga-class split in half lengthwise.

 

19 minutes ago, TG Remix said:

Wait really? I thought it was the third one this entire time! 😆I'd assume so because of the Navy terminology and how close they are to the like. However it is a bit different since unlike the world's current naval forces battleships of varying sizes are still being used, and destroyers aren't the universal standard but instead cruisers and carriers.

Yes, really.  It's written 宇宙軍 (Uchu-gun, "space military" or "space forces").  "Space Navy" would be 宇宙海軍 (Uchu-kaigun).

In a way, it's kind of another case of "reality is unrealistic"... given that military operations in space had, until very recently, fallen under the auspices of the Air Force.  Which would've included any kind of space fleet if one existed.  (Essentially, Stargate is the only US sci-fi property to actually get it right... "Space is an ocean" is too darn prevalent as a trope.)

 

19 minutes ago, TG Remix said:

That and the few Zentradi ships in active service where they still serve giant crews of sorts. Wandering thought if Zentradi ships under the NUN Forces were equipped with stealth capabilities and functions like the common vessels as well.

Presumably so... we know at least one case where it's definitely yes.  That being the Macross 5 fleet's Neo Nupetiet Vergnitzs-type.

 

 

22 minutes ago, cheemingwan1234 said:

Do Zentraedi use marching cadences when training or do they train in silence? Sure, they may be genetically engineered big boi/gurl warriors, but a song could be useful for raising morale and keeping their mind off their conditions and focused on their training ahead.

Would be also be logical for why they're stumped by Minmei since her introduction's to Earth songs are different from their marching songs/cadences.

Dunno, we've never seen them train.

Given that they're not familiar with the concept of song at all... I'm guessing they train in silence or simply don't march given that they spend pretty much their entire lives aboard ships or space stations.

[Master Dex]

41 minutes ago, Seto Kaiba said:

In a way, it's kind of another case of "reality is unrealistic"... given that military operations in space had, until very recently, fallen under the auspices of the Air Force.  Which would've included any kind of space fleet if one existed.  (Essentially, Stargate is the only US sci-fi property to actually get it right... "Space is an ocean" is too darn prevalent as a trope.)

I assume the until recently thing is a reference to Space Force. You're absolutely correct, I just want to add that the US Space Force is in all reality a sub branch under the Department of the Air Force (similar to how the Marines operate under the Navy) and most of the jobs it does are just from the old Air Force Space Command with some new name tags.

[TG Remix]

13 hours ago, Seto Kaiba said:

In an amusing bit of truth in television, the post-war mass production Macross-class are said to have no two ships truly alike due to the ad hoc nature of their construction and the use of repurposed/diverted systems from Zentradi ships and elsewhere.  In reality, it could fairly be said that no two ships of the same class are ever truly identical due to the many minor improvements that are made between the individual units and variations caused by issues in construction.

It's a nice detail I always kinda appreciated with the vessels we see, makes the world of Macross connected with ours in a funny way. Though I wonder a bit if one of the SDFN ships can look like the original SDF-2, if that could even transform to begin with. On a somewhat related note it said there was around 20,000 Zentradi ships that crashed onto Earth on the final battle of SWI, so I assume they came from there. Wonder what else happened to them, IIRC some of them were recycled for Short Ranged Emigrant ships, if not used by dissidents like Kamujin.

 

12 hours ago, Seto Kaiba said:

Presumably so... we know at least one case where it's definitely yes.  That being the Macross 5 fleet's Neo Nupetiet Vergnitzs-type.

The Queadol-Magdomilla Class Okeanos from the 33rd Marine Batallion also seems like it was modified with stealth capabilities, or at least with a more NUNS like look. It's a bit more apparent with Miyatake's concept art of the Gallia 4 base.

 

14 hours ago, Seto Kaiba said:

Given that they're not familiar with the concept of song at all... I'm guessing they train in silence or simply don't march given that they spend pretty much their entire lives aboard ships or space stations.

It'd definitely push the idea that they really had no kind of culture until first contact with humanity.

[darkranger12]

Quick question, what are those pods on the caliburn. Also the VF-171 had pods like that too. Are they like the UMM-7? Or are they just rocket launchers?

[Seto Kaiba]

2 hours ago, TG Remix said:

It's a nice detail I always kinda appreciated with the vessels we see, makes the world of Macross connected with ours in a funny way. Though I wonder a bit if one of the SDFN ships can look like the original SDF-2, if that could even transform to begin with.

It's certainly not outside the realm of possibility... though all three Macross-class SDFNs we've seen to date* have been the same type as the DYRL version of the SDF-1 Macross.

(It's possible the ship that played the part of the SDF-1 Macross in the in-story version of DYRL? was the SDFN-01 General Takashi Hayase, which'd make four for four and leave 8 unseen.)

 

2 hours ago, TG Remix said:

On a somewhat related note it said there was around 20,000 Zentradi ships that crashed onto Earth on the final battle of SWI, so I assume they came from there. Wonder what else happened to them, IIRC some of them were recycled for Short Ranged Emigrant ships, if not used by dissidents like Kamujin.

Macross Chronicle's Technology sheet "The Macross-class and its successors" does mention that they appropriated parts from scrapped Zentradi warships as well as inheriting parts developed for next-generation Earth-built warships.

As to what happened to most of those 20,000 or so Zentradi derelicts that crashed on Earth after the war... who knows?  It's probably safe to assume that many of them ended up being disassembled in order to repurpose intact systems for repairable Zentradi ships and to recycle the remaining material for use in new construction.  The New UN Gov't used their clone synthesis systems in the mass cloning program, and we saw a number of miclone systems in municipal service after the war.  It strikes me as likely that systems that would have immediate non-military applications like thermonuclear reactors and waste material recycling systems would quickly find new homes in the infrastructure of the new cities and towns that were popping up after the war.  

 

 

1 hour ago, darkranger12 said:

Quick question, what are those pods on the caliburn. Also the VF-171 had pods like that too. Are they like the UMM-7? Or are they just rocket launchers?

Those are micro-missile pods... similar to the UUM-7, but for newer models of missile.

 

 

* SDFN-04 General Bruno J. Global in Macross Frontier, SDFN-08 General Vrlitwhai Kridanik in Macross 30: Voices Across the Galaxy, and the unknown number unknown original name "Macross Extra" in Macross Delta Gaiden: Macross E.

[TG Remix]

50 minutes ago, Seto Kaiba said:

It's certainly not outside the realm of possibility... though all three Macross-class SDFNs we've seen to date* have been the same type as the DYRL version of the SDF-1 Macross.

(It's possible the ship that played the part of the SDF-1 Macross in the in-story version of DYRL? was the SDFN-01 General Takashi Hayase, which'd make four for four and leave 8 unseen.)

 

Right; the only other variants we'd see would be from the class from Fusou Katsumi's doujin regarding NUN and Zentradi ships. Kinda interesting that the creative liberties for the ship named after Britai had bigger legs and a much greener hull, yet in Macross 30 itself it looked more or less the same as the others. 

 

55 minutes ago, Seto Kaiba said:

As to what happened to most of those 20,000 or so Zentradi derelicts that crashed on Earth after the war... who knows?  It's probably safe to assume that many of them ended up being disassembled in order to repurpose intact systems for repairable Zentradi ships and to recycle the remaining material for use in new construction.  The New UN Gov't used their clone synthesis systems in the mass cloning program, and we saw a number of miclone systems in municipal service after the war.  It strikes me as likely that systems that would have immediate non-military applications like thermonuclear reactors and waste material recycling systems would quickly find new homes in the infrastructure of the new cities and towns that were popping up after the war.  

Reading that makes me wonder how much money someone could make finding and selling ship parts on Earth. Though since I've mentioned the Short Range Emigrant Fleets, I wonder if there was any elaboration on them, aside from how they typically don't go beyond a radius of 100 ly, and their colony ships from old Zentradi hulls. Would their escort fleets be nearly as big as the Long Range ones, any ones we know of other than the ones that found Eden, etc.

[Seto Kaiba]

21 minutes ago, TG Remix said:

Right; the only other variants we'd see would be from the class from Fusou Katsumi's doujin regarding NUN and Zentradi ships. Kinda interesting that the creative liberties for the ship named after Britai had bigger legs and a much greener hull, yet in Macross 30 itself it looked more or less the same as the others. 

Well, that's fanworks for ya... 

There's no real reason for a New UN Spacy warship that's only named for a famous Zentradi general to be painted Zentradi green or designed differently from a normal ship.

 

21 minutes ago, TG Remix said:

Reading that makes me wonder how much money someone could make finding and selling ship parts on Earth. Though since I've mentioned the Short Range Emigrant Fleets, I wonder if there was any elaboration on them, aside from how they typically don't go beyond a radius of 100 ly, and their colony ships from old Zentradi hulls. Would their escort fleets be nearly as big as the Long Range ones, any ones we know of other than the ones that found Eden, etc.

Relatively little is said on the subject of the close-range emigrant fleets in official materials... much of which you've covered in your post.

It's unlikely they would need the same level of defense as an emigrant fleet intending to cross much of the galaxy since they would be within easy fold distance of Earth at any given point.

The only mention of them, aside from their existence and their "within 100 light years of Earth" mandate, is that one of them was responsible for finding and settling Eden just a few months after the program began in 2013.

[cheemingwan1234]

So, what does the UN Army use post Macross Plus with the retirement of most Destroids? Do they have their own Variable Fighters or something different like Marclones with powered suits like the Gers and Raus and battle pods?

Edited November 20, 2023 by cheemingwan1234

[sketchley]

1 hour ago, cheemingwan1234 said:

So, what does the UN Army use post Macross Plus with the retirement of most Destroids? Do they have their own Variable Fighters or something different like Marclones with powered suits like the Gers and Raus and battle pods?

First, you're assuming that the Destroids have been retired.  New units appear to have been produced by such places as the Galaxy and Frontier Fleets as late as 2059.

On the other hand, the UN Army was seen using tanks in the SDFM era.  The ground forces in the Frontier Fleet were also seen using what amounts to a wheeled tank.

Regrettably, your question is difficult to answer, as Macross tends to focus on the Valkyries operated by the space and air forces and ignore the ground forces and what they use.  The general trend would be that the UN Army is using a combination of a Destroid like the Cheyenne II, along with armoured vehicles (APC, light armour vehicle, etc).

Edited November 20, 2023 by sketchley

[Seto Kaiba]

11 hours ago, cheemingwan1234 said:

So, what does the UN Army use post Macross Plus with the retirement of most Destroids?

A nuance that isn't quite captured by sketchley's answer above is that the (New) UN Army only really has confirmed appearances in two Macross titles to date: the original Super Dimension Fortress Macross, and Macross II: Lovers Again.  

As he noted, in Super Dimension Fortress Macross we see the UN Army using tanks and regular infantry.  Macross II's final episode shows us destroid defenses being deployed in Macross City under the command of an officer the animation model sheets reveal is a UN Army officer, but Macross II is its own thing.  Exactly which branch of the service owns the Cheyenne II's we see in Macross Frontier is unclear, as the CG model lacks markings for the most part, but it's very likely they're operated by the Space Forces as most of the other Destroids we've seen have been.

The regular ground forces we've seen are wholly conventional... infantry and tanks.

 

11 hours ago, cheemingwan1234 said:

Do they have their own Variable Fighters or something different like Marclones with powered suits like the Gers and Raus and battle pods?

There's a lot we don't know about the organization of the military in Macross... mainly because the show and its related materials are only really interested in the space forces and largely ignores the surface branches.

Given how much Macross bases the military organization in-story on real world practices - particularly those of the US armed forces - it's very unlikely that the Army operates any Variable Fighters.  Fixed-wing combat aviation in support of Army troops is the purview of the Air Force.  Macross Frontier and Macross Delta seem to suggest that Zentradi units operating "legacy" designs like battle pods or battle suits belong to the Spacy Marine Corps.

In all likelihood, the regular Army is... well... regular.  Tanks, helicopters, and boots on the ground.

The branches operating Variable Fighters are the same ones that'd be operating regular fixed wing combat aircraft in the real world, and their space forces counterparts: the Air Force, the Navy, the Marine Corps, the Spacy, the Spacy Air Force, and the Spacy Marine Corps.

[Invid99]

Pure speculation. But I wonder if the mecha design to the Supervision Army is similar to Valkyrie Battroids? Maybe the UN Spacy found mechas that they based their Battroids design from? 

Edited November 21, 2023 by Invid99

[Seto Kaiba]

5 hours ago, Invid99 said:

Pure speculation. But I wonder if the mecha design to the Supervision Army is similar to Valkyrie Battroids? Maybe the UN Spacy found mechas that they based their Battroids design from? 

Nope.

As revealed in Macross 7, the Supervision Army wasn't some meticulously planned and painstakingly equipped standing army like the Zentradi.  It was a messy ad hoc armed force that the Protodeviln threw together on the fly using the ships, mecha, and factory satellites they were able to capture when they attacked a fleet/planet and their soldiers were their spiritia-drained Protoculture and Zentradi victims.  The Supervision Army's Protodeviln leaders were only active for around a year before they were sealed by the Protoculture, so the Supervision Army likely didn't have any time to develop original weapons... assuming the spiritia-drained and brainwashed Protoculture civilians who were a part of it initially were capable of doing so in their reduced mental state.  The overwhelming majority of the Supervision Army would have been, and likely still is, made up of Zentradi as they were the Protoculture's armed forces.

Macross Chronicle makes several offhand mentions in coverage of Macross Zero designs and a few general Technology sheets that suggest that the United Nations investigators and/or OTEC found battle pods aboard the derelict and used them to benchmark offensive and defensive capabilities for development of Earth's "anti-giant" weapons.

The Earth Unification Government's decision to develop humanoid robotic weapons approximately 10 meters tall was in expectation of fighting a land war against the giants, and specifically the prospect of engaging in hand-to-hand combat.  That pursuit yielded two competing design concepts: Destroids and Battroids.  They were initially fairly similar, but would evolve in different directions.  Destroids would evolve from their original Mobile Suit-like concept into the walking tanks and artillery pieces we know from Super Dimension Fortress Macross, while Battroid development merged with the nascent Variable Fighter program to become its humanoid robot form.

[Invid99]

22 minutes ago, Seto Kaiba said:

Nope.

As revealed in Macross 7, the Supervision Army wasn't some meticulously planned and painstakingly equipped standing army like the Zentradi.  It was a messy ad hoc armed force that the Protodeviln threw together on the fly using the ships, mecha, and factory satellites they were able to capture when they attacked a fleet/planet and their soldiers were their spiritia-drained Protoculture and Zentradi victims.  The Supervision Army's Protodeviln leaders were only active for around a year before they were sealed by the Protoculture, so the Supervision Army likely didn't have any time to develop original weapons... assuming the spiritia-drained and brainwashed Protoculture civilians who were a part of it initially were capable of doing so in their reduced mental state.  The overwhelming majority of the Supervision Army would have been, and likely still is, made up of Zentradi as they were the Protoculture's armed forces.

Macross Chronicle makes several offhand mentions in coverage of Macross Zero designs and a few general Technology sheets that suggest that the United Nations investigators and/or OTEC found battle pods aboard the derelict and used them to benchmark offensive and defensive capabilities for development of Earth's "anti-giant" weapons.

The Earth Unification Government's decision to develop humanoid robotic weapons approximately 10 meters tall was in expectation of fighting a land war against the giants, and specifically the prospect of engaging in hand-to-hand combat.  That pursuit yielded two competing design concepts: Destroids and Battroids.  They were initially fairly similar, but would evolve in different directions.  Destroids would evolve from their original Mobile Suit-like concept into the walking tanks and artillery pieces we know from Super Dimension Fortress Macross, while Battroid development merged with the nascent Variable Fighter program to become its humanoid robot form.

Interesting. Did the MC describe what the battlepods look like? In your own guess, do you think their mechas was fairly similar to Dolza's Zentraedi fleet? 

[Seto Kaiba]

4 minutes ago, Invid99 said:

Interesting. Did the MC describe what the battlepods look like? In your own guess, do you think their mechas was fairly similar to Dolza's Zentraedi fleet? 

No, it just mentions that battle pods were found inside the Alien Starship 1 and that their technology was studied, reverse engineered, and ultimately used to benchmark "anti-giant" weapons being developed for the Earth UN Forces.

The Regult is the standard battle pod used by the thousands of Zentradi main fleets in the galaxy.  Given that the Supervision Army has been kept in the fight by the various factory satellites they captured half a million years ago, most if not all of which were set up to supply the Zentradi forces, it's doubtful their equipment is significantly different from what's used by the Zentradi main fleets.  They were probably Regults.

 

[TG Remix]

On 11/19/2023 at 4:41 PM, Seto Kaiba said:

Well, that's fanworks for ya... 

I'm also a bit surprised that the Neo Nupetiet Vergnitzs weren't there in the volume at all, especially since the book also loved to put a bow cannon at any chance they could. It also made a Zentradi-styled Stealth Cruiser akin to the Stealth frigate in 7.

 

On 11/19/2023 at 4:41 PM, Seto Kaiba said:

It's unlikely they would need the same level of defense as an emigrant fleet intending to cross much of the galaxy since they would be within easy fold distance of Earth at any given point.

Wonder if my mental image of a lone Zentradi battleship leading a small colony ship would be probably in that case, anything bigger than a Gun Destroyer more or less can hold an entire UN defense fleet within itself I reckon.

 

On 11/20/2023 at 3:19 PM, Seto Kaiba said:

Given how much Macross bases the military organization in-story on real world practices - particularly those of the US armed forces - it's very unlikely that the Army operates any Variable Fighters.  Fixed-wing combat aviation in support of Army troops is the purview of the Air Force.  Macross Frontier and Macross Delta seem to suggest that Zentradi units operating "legacy" designs like battle pods or battle suits belong to the Spacy Marine Corps.

I got the impression that the New UN post-SWI had a lot of mixed craft squadrons consisting of variable fighters, battlepods, and battlesuits. Although that may or may not be an effect of the ragtag nature of Earth's condition at that point before things got more standardized. The Queadluun series was also said to be liked for its dogfighting capabilities so I'd assume more than the Spacy Marines would use them.  

Now I see the word "legacy," I'm kinda wondering if we know more about the NUNS Reserve service aside from that Isamu himself was a part of it when he was chosen to be a YF-24 test pilot.

 

1 hour ago, Seto Kaiba said:

It was a messy ad hoc armed force that the Protodeviln threw together on the fly using the ships, mecha, and factory satellites they were able to capture when they attacked a fleet/planet and their soldiers were their spiritia-drained Protoculture and Zentradi victims. 

48 minutes ago, Seto Kaiba said:

1 hour ago, Invid99 said:

Interesting. Did the MC describe what the battlepods look like? In your own guess, do you think their mechas was fairly similar to Dolza's Zentraedi fleet? 

No, it just mentions that battle pods were found inside the Alien Starship 1 and that their technology was studied, reverse engineered, and ultimately used to benchmark "anti-giant" weapons being developed for the Earth UN Forces.

I'd honestly assumed that any Supervision Army stuff would be more akin to how the Varauta Army's Valkyries looked since they were heavily modified UN variable craft.

[Seto Kaiba]

1 hour ago, TG Remix said:

I'm also a bit surprised that the Neo Nupetiet Vergnitzs weren't there in the volume at all, especially since the book also loved to put a bow cannon at any chance they could. It also made a Zentradi-styled Stealth Cruiser akin to the Stealth frigate in 7.

It is fanart... and fans do love a really big gun.

IMO the weirdest example was the stealth cruiser where they just stuck the Macross Quarter's heavy quantum cannon on the underside.

 

1 hour ago, TG Remix said:

Wonder if my mental image of a lone Zentradi battleship leading a small colony ship would be probably in that case, anything bigger than a Gun Destroyer more or less can hold an entire UN defense fleet within itself I reckon.

Considering how much space those Zentradi ships have, odds are they wouldn't even need a separate colony ship.

 

1 hour ago, TG Remix said:

I got the impression that the New UN post-SWI had a lot of mixed craft squadrons consisting of variable fighters, battlepods, and battlesuits. Although that may or may not be an effect of the ragtag nature of Earth's condition at that point before things got more standardized. The Queadluun series was also said to be liked for its dogfighting capabilities so I'd assume more than the Spacy Marines would use them.  

Now I see the word "legacy," I'm kinda wondering if we know more about the NUNS Reserve service aside from that Isamu himself was a part of it when he was chosen to be a YF-24 test pilot.

I've not seen anything that would substantiate the idea of mixed units like that.

There's definitely evidence that the New UN Forces incorporated Zentradi ships and mecha into their organization... like the aforementioned case of postwar ARMD-class space carriers adding nearly a hundred Regults in place of many of the Ghosts and Lancers they previously carried.  I'd assume they were probably organized as separate squadrons at least, for the sake of organizational clarity.

About all we know about the New UN Spacy Reserve is that it exists, and Isamu once belonged to it before retiring officially and joining SMS.

 

1 hour ago, TG Remix said:

I'd honestly assumed that any Supervision Army stuff would be more akin to how the Varauta Army's Valkyries looked since they were heavily modified UN variable craft.

I doubt it... after all, the Protodeviln's rampage across the Stellar Republic was massively destructive but very short-lived.

Start to finish, it lasted less than two years.  They emerged in late 2871 PC and were ultimately defeated and sealed by the Anima Spiritia in 2873 PC.  They didn't have the time, or any real reason, to reengineer and replace the weapons the Protoculture had armed the forces they were capturing and brainwashing with.  This wasn't a subtle undertaking either.  They conquered hundreds of worlds - over 30% of the Stellar Republic - in just three months and turned those captured defense forces and civilians to their cause by draining their spiritia and subjecting them to mind control.

The Protodeviln were much more circumspect the second time around... they waited two years after they were released from imprisonment and conquered Varauta, and used the time to build up and improve their forces.  They probably felt they needed the help too.  The Varauta colony's tech was not exactly bleeding edge for the New UN Government and Human technology is quite a ways behind the Protoculture's in practically every respect.  The Varauta colony was a small one too, they couldn't count on numerical superiority for quick and easy victory.  Taking the time to improve the technology of the planet's defense forces and construct new ships and more advanced fighters and conscript more of the population to give themselves a better chance of overwhelming another emigrant planet or fleet.  (Of course, they were also deliberately being more restrained in their pursuit of spiritia because Gepernich's goal was to create a sustainable source of spiritia that wouldn't require them to destroy galactic civilization just to survive.)