The Newbie and Short Questions thread

[pengbuzz]

3 hours ago, Bolt said:

Not much into insulting people, even if I disagree with them. Can we get back to some questions and answers?

Okay Alex: I'll take "Destroid Popurri" for 400$.

[Seto Kaiba]

37 minutes ago, Bolt said:

It's too bad Destroids aren't so relevant in the later macross series..

Unfortunately, they were designed for land warfare based on the incorrect assumption that a space war would work similarly to a modern war with the focus being on capturing and controlling territory.

The Earth UN Forces prepared the planet to resist an alien invasion.  What they ended up fighting (and losing to) was an alien clone army that was only interested in the complete extermination rather than territorial matters.

Surface-based Destroids were wiped out without ever firing a shot in anger, and the space-based ones found themselves in an extremely narrow niche on the largest of warships as a supplement to existing anti-aircraft defenses.  They were able to maintain a niche in Macross II because of how large the UN Forces space warships were, but on the smaller warships of the main Macross continuity they fell victim to cost reduction and were replaced by more cost-effective stationary anti-aircraft gun emplacements and missile launchers before being surplussed out to be converted into heavy construction machinery.

[Bolt]

Right.. I'm just sayin, since there are now established colony worlds. With varying budgets and political landscapes. I would think Destroids might've made a come back. There's a new Macross , destroid story out there somewhere .. 

Wishful thinking ..

[Bolt]

53 minutes ago, pengbuzz said:

Okay Alex: I'll take "Destroid Popurri" for 400$.

Destroids it is 
And gritty action drama for bonus round

[Seto Kaiba]

2 minutes ago, Bolt said:

Right.. I'm just sayin, since there are now established colony worlds. With varying budgets and political landscapes. I would think Destroids might've made a come back. There's a new Macross , destroid story out there somewhere .. 

Well, it's not like it wasn't tried.

In Macross VF-X2, the anti-Latence paramilitary group Black Rainbow possessed a mobile land weapon called the Gjagravan Va that was deployed during their occupation of Hyde City on Sephira in November 2050.  The Gjagravan Va was arguably a next-gen Destroid, though the term is never used in connection with it and its design is a four-legged "walking tank" sort of affair that maneuvers like a water strider.  Despite being heavily armed with a converging beam cannon turret, a gatling plasma blaster, a laser vulcan, and a battery of high-maneuverability missiles, it was nevertheless destroyed on 14 November 2050 by the VF-X Ravens during their operation codenamed "Singin in the Rain".

Even a more mobile, next-generation land weapon like the Gjagravan Va just couldn't compete with the greater mobility and tactical flexibility of then-current generation special forces VFs like the VF-17 Nightmare... never mind next-gen offerings like the VF-19 or VF-22.

[pengbuzz]

35 minutes ago, Bolt said:

Destroids it is 
And gritty action drama for bonus round

What is Macross II?

  

36 minutes ago, Bolt said:

Right.. I'm just sayin, since there are now established colony worlds. With varying budgets and political landscapes. I would think Destroids might've made a come back. There's a new Macross , destroid story out there somewhere .. 

Wishful thinking ..

It would have to be a unique situation that would call for the particular strength and talents of the Destroids over those of the Variable Fighters. I personally think it would have to be a kind of environment where flight would be all but impossible, maneuverability would be limited across the board, tremendous endurance, armor and high firepower were required, and it would be specifically land-based.

A possible situation would be a planet where high winds and a particular radiation made current propulsion technology for fighters inoperable, relegating any mech to land ops. High armor would be needed as would endurance, and enemies in this world would require high amounts of ordnance to combat successfully.

Edited October 28, 2020 by pengbuzz

[Seto Kaiba]

14 minutes ago, pengbuzz said:

A possible situation would be a planet where high winds and a particular radiation made current propulsion technology for fighters inoperable, relegating any mech to land ops.

This is headed more towards the territory of the Super Macross Mecha Fun Time Discussion Thread, but it'd be nigh-impossible for environmental conditions to make it impossible for a VF to fly and still be survivable for a Destroid or living beings in general given that VFs are designed to handle the stresses of high-hypersonic flight, pulling dozens of G's in maneuvering or just straightline acceleration, and so on.

Destroids use the same power generation technology that VFs do, so anything that would disable the compact thermonuclear reactors of a VF would also render Destroids inoperable.  The only exceptions would be the early models from the Unification Wars that were powered by gas turbine combustion engines, fuel cell stacks, or diesel generators like the ADR-03-Mk.III Cheyenne and Octos.  Those require atmospheric oxygen or stored oxygen in tanks to operate.

 

14 minutes ago, pengbuzz said:

High armor would be needed as would endurance, and enemies in this world would require high amounts of ordnance to combat successfully.

While some of the initial-type Destroids of the First Space War were more heavily armored than the VF-1 Valkyrie, they're not really able to call themselves heavily armored anymore due to improvements in the composite materials and the energy conversion armor used by VFs.  They just don't have the generator output to run the powerful energy conversion armor used by VFs so they have to make do with heavier composite plating.  Improvements in VF armament arguably also stole the Destroids role of being more heavily armed too.  

The only mobile weapon that really outclasses VFs in armor and armament anymore is the General Galaxy large-scale urban mobile weapon Annabella Lasiodora, though even one of those occupying Ceres Base was destroyed by the VF-X Ravens in 2051.

[sketchley]

2 hours ago, Bolt said:

Right.. I'm just sayin, since there are now established colony worlds. With varying budgets and political landscapes. I would think Destroids might've made a come back. There's a new Macross , destroid story out there somewhere .. 

Wishful thinking ..

In some ways, they never went away.  They've just been relegated further and further into the background.  They're there, if you know where to look. 

In the post SDFM era, we've been introduced to:

• Cheyenne II and Destroid Works (Macross F)
• ADR-04-Mk XV S-Defender (Macross the Ride)
• PPB equipped HWR-00-Mk II Monster (Macross M3)
• some type of MBR-04 derivative that combines the long-range precision fire of the ADR-04 Defender with the short-range missile circus of the SDR-04 Phalanx
• the civilian construction Destroids in Macross 7

If you include the Zentrādi Mobile Weapons:

• Battle Suit (Macross Plus)
• Gjagravan Va (VF-X2)
• Annabella Lasiodora(VF-X2)
• Quadoran-Aruma (Macross the Ride)
• Gurāji Kai (Macross Digital Mission VF-X)
• Super Gurāji (Macross Delta)
• Jināru Air-Battle Pod Kai (Macross Digital Mission VF-X)
• Rigādo Kai (Macross Digital Mission VF-X)
• ZBP-104 Rigādo: (Macross Delta)
• ZBP-106 Rigādo(Macross Delta)
• Kerukaria [Quel-Quallie] (Macross Digital Mission VF-X)

* the "Kai" versions have been misnamed as "Stealth" versions by some Western fans

Edited October 28, 2020 by sketchley

[Seto Kaiba]

5 minutes ago, sketchley said:

Annabella Lasiodora(VF-X2)

The Macross Frontier short story "Wired Warrior" by Ukyo Kodachi has this as a General Galaxy (Earth branch) development, not a Zentradi mobile weapon.

[sketchley]

1 hour ago, Seto Kaiba said:

The Macross Frontier short story "Wired Warrior" by Ukyo Kodachi has this as a General Galaxy (Earth branch) development, not a Zentradi mobile weapon.

That's... odd.

Ignoring the VF-X2 setting for the mo', Miyatake Kazutaka's lineart for it (all 3 versions) refer to it as "VFX-2 クリティカルパスCorp. 機動兵器　軌道エレベータ征圧用"*  Or "VF-X2 Critical Path Corp. Mobile Weapon for controlling the 'orbital' elevator"

* Apparently 軌道 was a misunderstanding on the artists part, as the book states in a paragraph right next to it "機動" (for those that don't: kanji with the same reading, but one means "orbital" and the other means "mobile").

 

Incidentally, the same book** refers to the Gjagravan Va as "ブラックレインボウ陸戦歩兵兵器".  Or "Black Rainbow Ground Walking Weapon".

** Macross VF-X2 Official Visual Guide

 

While the book doesn't clearly state if it is a Zentrādi weapon or not, generally Mobile Weapon (機動兵器) is only used to describe Zentrādi mecha.  So, the text for the Gjagravan Va muddies things up, as Walking Weapon (or similar) is generally used to refer to the Destroids.

On the other hand, in the interview section, Miyatake Kazutaka answers a question about the enemy designs with something along the lines of them having the image of continuing from the TV series designs, and being advanced or evolved Zentrādi designs (進んでいく).  The interviewers asks about the DYRL design influence, and Miyatake-san responds that they are based on biological designs.  He says that the Annabella Lasiodora has a "spider image", and Lasiodora is the Latin name for tarantula.  The rest of that line of questioning is about the design process, how it changed during game development, and how Miyatake-san feels that he drew too much for something that ultimately appears so small in the game!  (The interview switches to talking about spaceship design, so the Gjagravan Va isn't talked about.)

[pengbuzz]

6 hours ago, Seto Kaiba said:

This is headed more towards the territory of the Super Macross Mecha Fun Time Discussion Thread, but it'd be nigh-impossible for environmental conditions to make it impossible for a VF to fly and still be survivable for a Destroid or living beings in general given that VFs are designed to handle the stresses of high-hypersonic flight, pulling dozens of G's in maneuvering or just straightline acceleration, and so on.

Destroids use the same power generation technology that VFs do, so anything that would disable the compact thermonuclear reactors of a VF would also render Destroids inoperable.  The only exceptions would be the early models from the Unification Wars that were powered by gas turbine combustion engines, fuel cell stacks, or diesel generators like the ADR-03-Mk.III Cheyenne and Octos.  Those require atmospheric oxygen or stored oxygen in tanks to operate.

 

While some of the initial-type Destroids of the First Space War were more heavily armored than the VF-1 Valkyrie, they're not really able to call themselves heavily armored anymore due to improvements in the composite materials and the energy conversion armor used by VFs.  They just don't have the generator output to run the powerful energy conversion armor used by VFs so they have to make do with heavier composite plating.  Improvements in VF armament arguably also stole the Destroids role of being more heavily armed too.  

The only mobile weapon that really outclasses VFs in armor and armament anymore is the General Galaxy large-scale urban mobile weapon Annabella Lasiodora, though even one of those occupying Ceres Base was destroyed by the VF-X Ravens in 2051.

 I would have thought that a Destroid would have to have better radiation shielding at least, given that it cannot maneuver like a Variable Fighter as to get out of a situation where high radiation was an issue. Also, wouldn't high-winds make flying impossible for VF's but not inhibit ops so much for a Destroid on the ground (blowing them all over the place)?

Edited October 28, 2020 by pengbuzz

[Bolt]

7 hours ago, pengbuzz said:

What is Macross II?

 

Dude..don't even

 

Edited October 28, 2020 by Bolt

[pengbuzz]

49 minutes ago, Bolt said:

Dude..don't even

 

[Seto Kaiba]

5 hours ago, sketchley said:

That's... odd.

Ignoring the VF-X2 setting for the mo', Miyatake Kazutaka's lineart for it (all 3 versions) refer to it as "VFX-2 クリティカルパスCorp. 機動兵器　軌道エレベータ征圧用"*  Or "VF-X2 Critical Path Corp. Mobile Weapon for controlling the 'orbital' elevator"

* Apparently 軌道 was a misunderstanding on the artists part, as the book states in a paragraph right next to it "機動" (for those that don't: kanji with the same reading, but one means "orbital" and the other means "mobile").

 

Incidentally, the same book** refers to the Gjagravan Va as "ブラックレインボウ陸戦歩兵兵器".  Or "Black Rainbow Ground Walking Weapon".

** Macross VF-X2 Official Visual Guide

 

While the book doesn't clearly state if it is a Zentrādi weapon or not, generally Mobile Weapon (機動兵器) is only used to describe Zentrādi mecha.  So, the text for the Gjagravan Va muddies things up, as Walking Weapon (or similar) is generally used to refer to the Destroids.

When it comes to the Annabella Lasiodora, either interpretation of its provenance would rule it out as a specifically-Zentradi mobile weapon IMO.  Either it was developed by Critical Path corp. - an Earth-based defense contractor with close ties to General Galaxy and one of the backers of Latence - or it was developed by the Earth branch of General Galaxy and operated by agents of the Critical Path corp. as part of their collusion with Latence.  The way the Gjagravan Va is written up suggests the latter case, since Black Rainbow were the operators of that weapon and its developer was unknown in-game.  (They were a majority, but not exclusively, Zentradi paramilitary group.)

"Mobile Weapon" or "Walking Weapon" might've been used in their cases since they're not easily pigeonholed into the existing categories of "Destroid", "Valkyrie", or "Warship" due to their unconventional forms and size.  The Annabella Lasiodora was a lot bigger than the average VF and its six-legged pseudo-warship configuration makes it hard to classify, and the Gjagravan Va had a similar problem as a four-legged walking tank several times the size of a VF.

 

 

5 hours ago, sketchley said:

On the other hand, in the interview section, Miyatake Kazutaka answers a question about the enemy designs with something along the lines of them having the image of continuing from the TV series designs, and being advanced or evolved Zentrādi designs (進んでいく).  The interviewers asks about the DYRL design influence, and Miyatake-san responds that they are based on biological designs.  He says that the Annabella Lasiodora has a "spider image", and Lasiodora is the Latin name for tarantula.  The rest of that line of questioning is about the design process, how it changed during game development, and how Miyatake-san feels that he drew too much for something that ultimately appears so small in the game!  (The interview switches to talking about spaceship design, so the Gjagravan Va isn't talked about.)

There may be a design lineage of sorts between those weapons and the Zentradi mecha, given that General Galaxy is noted to have strong Zentradi influences in its designs due to the influence of prominent Zentradi engineers like Algus Selzaa. 

The Gjagravan Va's design recalls the structure and movements of a water strider.

 

 

1 hour ago, pengbuzz said:

 I would have thought that a Destroid would have to have better radiation shielding at least, given that it cannot maneuver like a Variable Fighter as to get out of a situation where high radiation was an issue. Also, wouldn't high-winds make flying impossible for VF's but not inhibit ops so much for a Destroid on the ground (blowing them all over the place)?

Destroids are mainly designed for surface operation, so they wouldn't need better radiation shielding than a VF's.

It'd have to be some insanely high winds to make flying impossible for a VF, to an extent that buildings wouldn't remain standing and Destroids would be blown over.

[pengbuzz]

2 hours ago, Seto Kaiba said:

It'd have to be some insanely high winds to make flying impossible for a VF, to an extent that buildings wouldn't remain standing and Destroids would be blown over.

"Go home Destroid, you're drunk!!"

Okay, that's all I got.

Edited October 28, 2020 by pengbuzz

[JB0]

3 hours ago, pengbuzz said:

"Go home Destroid, you're drunk!!"

Okay, that's all I got.

"You can still fight when you're drunk!"

"Great. Another graduate of Roy Focker Memorial Combat School."

[sketchley]

20 hours ago, Seto Kaiba said:

When it comes to the Annabella Lasiodora, either interpretation of its provenance would rule it out as a specifically-Zentradi mobile weapon IMO.  Either it was developed by Critical Path corp. - an Earth-based defense contractor with close ties to General Galaxy and one of the backers of Latence - or it was developed by the Earth branch of General Galaxy and operated by agents of the Critical Path corp. as part of their collusion with Latence.  The way the Gjagravan Va is written up suggests the latter case, since Black Rainbow were the operators of that weapon and its developer was unknown in-game.  (They were a majority, but not exclusively, Zentradi paramilitary group.)

Your argument still isn't convincing.  Plausible, yes, convincing no.

For example, the publication I cited earlier also states that the unmanned Rorqual submarines are "Critical Path Corp. Stealth Unmanned Submersibles".  Not to mention the artist stating that the A.L. and G.V. are evolved Zentrādi designs (as opposed to the General Galaxy Valkyries, which are generally described as merely incorporating Zentrādi technology or having a Zentrādi "influence").

In addition, Macross Chronicle states that Critical Path Corp. is a Private Military Company, and the president of it took over the black market*, and developed the Jamming Sound System.  The first part implies that Critical Path only uses the equipment produced by other companies, but the second part indicates that the corp. is involved with developing and producing armaments.  Clear as mud, in other words.

Nevertheless, can you remind me where it states that Critical Path Corp. has close ties to General Galaxy?

* while Japanese is notorious for not including the subject (one must "read the air"), given the context I'm inclined to believe it meant the black market sales (of weapons) side of the company.

 

On the topic of the Gjagravan Va: it appears in game at the tail end of a battle with Gurāji and Rigādo.  The Zentrādi developed Pheyos Valkrie also appears in that game stage.  I'm not going to claim that it is cut and dry, but the design notes and context heavily favour that it is a Zentrādi Mobile Weapon.

 

[Seto Kaiba]

7 hours ago, sketchley said:

For example, the publication I cited earlier also states that the unmanned Rorqual submarines are "Critical Path Corp. Stealth Unmanned Submersibles".

Yes, and Macross Chronicle indicates those are "Unmanned Stealth Submarines that are owned by the Critical Path Corporation [...]".  (Ref. Macross Chronicle Mechanic Sheet Other 7A)

 

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Not to mention the artist stating that the A.L. and G.V. are evolved Zentrādi designs (as opposed to the General Galaxy Valkyries, which are generally described as merely incorporating Zentrādi technology or having a Zentrādi "influence").

Which doesn't actually contradict my point, as we have another very prominent "evolved Zentradi design" that is explicitly a product of the General Galaxy corporation: the Queadluun-Rhea battle suit used by the New UN Spacy Marine Corps and SMS.

Incidentally, we now have a third conflict WRT the Annabella Lasiodora mobile weapon.  Macross Chronicle described it as having been manufactured by the Critical Path corporation (Mechanic Sheet Other 06A).  Though I suppose we could not rule out that it was developed by General Galaxy and manufactured under license by Critical Path, or codeveloped by the two.

 

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In addition, Macross Chronicle states that Critical Path Corp. is a Private Military Company, [...]

Is it?  All but one of the references I can find in Macross Chronicle just call it 民間企業 - "private enterprise" or "private sector company".  

It's described as manufacturer of the Annabella Lasiodora and developer of the Jamming Sound System in Macross Chronicle, which wouldn't be consistent with the company being a PMC.

(It's possible that, like Bilra Transport and Xaos, the Critical Path Corporation simply owns and operates its own PMC division.)

I wonder if they meant to write 民間の軍需産業 instead of 民間の軍事会社?

 

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Nevertheless, can you remind me where it states that Critical Path Corp. has close ties to General Galaxy?

* while Japanese is notorious for not including the subject (one must "read the air"), given the context I'm inclined to believe it meant the black market sales (of weapons) side of the company.

Apart from the short story "Wired Warrior", the Macross Frontier TV and Movie novelizations also draw that connection.  Two separate instances of Manfred Brando are connected to General Galaxy and the Macross Galaxy fleet in the novels, with a pre-death Manfred Brando having been involved in the 117th Research Fleet and investigation into its loss and post-death a copy of his consciousness is among the "cyber nobles" who run the Macross Galaxy fleet.

 

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On the topic of the Gjagravan Va: it appears in game at the tail end of a battle with Gurāji and Rigādo.  The Zentrādi developed Pheyos Valkrie also appears in that game stage.  I'm not going to claim that it is cut and dry, but the design notes and context heavily favour that it is a Zentrādi Mobile Weapon.

Yes, I know... it is operated by the majority-Zentradi anti-Latence paramilitary/terrorist group Black Rainbow.

At the very least, we know that the Pheyos Valkyrie was a semi-original development made by dissident Zentradi from stolen New UN Gov't military technology (like its predecessor, the Variable Glaug).  Exactly who manufactures it is unclear.  It may be an under-the-table product of General Galaxy or Critical Path, who do appear to be guilty of doing the Anaheim Electronics thing and selling to both the government and anti-government forces.  (It's worth noting the reproduction Variable Glaug and its later derivatives were General Galaxy products too.)

Edited October 29, 2020 by Seto Kaiba

[Bub]

In DYRL? movie, why did Hikaru step on and brake his flashlight when he saw the girl he rescued (Minmay).  I might have asked this same question a long time ago.

[Brofessor]

On 11/1/2020 at 1:57 AM, Bub said:

In DYRL? movie, why did Hikaru step on and brake his flashlight when he saw the girl he rescued (Minmay).  I might have asked this same question a long time ago.

I got this one.

Ahem. It is a characterization technique to establish Hikaru as the audience avatar or surrogate. Hikaru has been introduced to the audience as a highly skilled pilot of a killing machine. His courage in battle is contrasted with his shock and intimidation by Minmay's beauty. He drops the flashlight and clumsily steps on it which otherwise contrasts with his prowess as a pilot. Stepping on the flashlight was an accident we can all relate to which allows the audience to identify with Hikaru. Your question here may be evidence of a tiny flaw in the animation as Hikaru oddly does not seem to acknowledge breaking the flashilight which would have clarified the scene for you. Hikaru's surprise at seeing Minmay demonstrates her power and equates her with the Zentradi and Bodole Zer while foreshadowing her eventual weaponization. The flashlight beam also demonstrates a phenomenon referred to as the male gaze as it pans up Minmay's body. The flashlight could also by symbolic of male anatomy and portrays Hikaru's clumsiness, innocence, and romantic inexperience.

Hikaru mentions the broken flashlight moments later when Minmay's dress lights up. Thus, the flashlight was a "plant and payoff." By establishing a dark compartment it allowed Minmay to shine literally and symbolically.

Edited November 2, 2020 by Brofessor
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[Master Dex]

.....

Dude was just surprised and accidentally stepped on his flashlight... That's it.

Listen to Freud, "Sometimes a Cigar is just a Cigar."

[Seto Kaiba]

12 hours ago, Bub said:

In DYRL? movie, why did Hikaru step on and brake his flashlight when he saw the girl he rescued (Minmay).  I might have asked this same question a long time ago.

To answer the question with some helpful context and without the ridiculous faux-academic posturing...

In DYRL?, Minmay had already had her big break and become a famous idol singer before she ever met Hikaru.

The reason that Hikaru drops, and then unknowingly treads on and breaks, the flashlight from his VF's emergency kit is that he's stunned rigid by the revelation that the girl he'd just rescued was the Lynn Minmay.  He is, as he confesses to her a minute or so later, a huge fan of hers.  So much so that he develops a nervous stutter when she talks to him directly.

Minmay's status as an idol is something that doesn't translate well for western audiences.  Western celebrities might end up on a pedestal as a result of their fame as a singer, an actor, an athlete, or what have you... but for idols, be they Japanese, Chinese, Taiwanese, or Korean, being put on a pedestal is what makes them famous and their career is mainly devoted to staying up there.  Idols are celebrities who trade on their image, their physical attractiveness, and their personality more than anything else.  Their careers are built on a dedicated, some might say slightly cult-like, fan following to whom they market escapist entertainment.  An idol is marketed as a kind of ideal person, someone who is accessible in the sense that you can find them on TV or even shake their hand at an event, but also unattainable.  They sell a fantasy of fame and success and themselves as the perfect girl (or boy) that any fan would want as their significant other.  Their job is, essentially, to maintain a fan following that worships them from afar.

Hikaru is a self-confessed big fan of Minmay's.  He's stunned and nervous to even be in her presence because he's essentially looking at his unattainable ideal girl in the flesh.

Edited November 1, 2020 by Seto Kaiba

[Einherjar]

Imagine if you were a huge fanboy for or had a crush on a celebrity and suddenly found yourself standing right in front of him/her.  You would probably be a hot mess trying to react like Hikaru... or the Flower Girl... or Ranka... or Freya.

Edited November 1, 2020 by Einherjar

[Bolt]

Or Mirage..

[Thom]

11 hours ago, Bolt said:

Or Mirage..

[Einherjar]

On 10/28/2020 at 8:06 AM, Bolt said:

Dude..don't even

 

The guy who gave the world M.D. Geist, Cybernetics Guardian, and Genocyber worked on this.  Of course it's gritty.

[Bub]

On 11/2/2020 at 5:58 AM, Seto Kaiba said:

To answer the question with some helpful context and without the ridiculous faux-academic posturing...

In DYRL?, Minmay had already had her big break and become a famous idol singer before she ever met Hikaru.

The reason that Hikaru drops, and then unknowingly treads on and breaks, the flashlight from his VF's emergency kit is that he's stunned rigid by the revelation that the girl he'd just rescued was the Lynn Minmay.  He is, as he confesses to her a minute or so later, a huge fan of hers.  So much so that he develops a nervous stutter when she talks to him directly.

Minmay's status as an idol is something that doesn't translate well for western audiences.  Western celebrities might end up on a pedestal as a result of their fame as a singer, an actor, an athlete, or what have you... but for idols, be they Japanese, Chinese, Taiwanese, or Korean, being put on a pedestal is what makes them famous and their career is mainly devoted to staying up there.  Idols are celebrities who trade on their image, their physical attractiveness, and their personality more than anything else.  Their careers are built on a dedicated, some might say slightly cult-like, fan following to whom they market escapist entertainment.  An idol is marketed as a kind of ideal person, someone who is accessible in the sense that you can find them on TV or even shake their hand at an event, but also unattainable.  They sell a fantasy of fame and success and themselves as the perfect girl (or boy) that any fan would want as their significant other.  Their job is, essentially, to maintain a fan following that worships them from afar.

Hikaru is a self-confessed big fan of Minmay's.  He's stunned and nervous to even be in her presence because he's essentially looking at his unattainable ideal girl in the flesh.

For a moment there I thought Hikaru wanted to to take advantage of the situation... 

[Seto Kaiba]

3 hours ago, Bub said:

For a moment there I thought Hikaru wanted to to take advantage of the situation... 

Hm... yeah, I can see how it could look like that.

Given his status as a self-confessed Minmay fan, I suspect his motive was more between "is it really her?" and "is she ok?".

Isamu, on the other hand, probably would have tried to cop a feel in Hikaru's place. 

[pengbuzz]

On 11/7/2020 at 6:08 AM, Seto Kaiba said:

Hm... yeah, I can see how it could look like that.

Given his status as a self-confessed Minmay fan, I suspect his motive was more between "is it really her?" and "is she ok?".

Isamu, on the other hand, probably would have tried to cop a feel in Hikaru's place. 

And Basara would have screamed at her "LISTEN TO MAH SONG!!!!!!"

[Einherjar]

On 11/6/2020 at 11:59 PM, Bub said:

For a moment there I thought Hikaru wanted to to take advantage of the situation... 

Remember, this is Hikaru we’re talking about.

[Seto Kaiba]

10 hours ago, pengbuzz said:

And Basara would have screamed at her "LISTEN TO MAH SONG!!!!!!"

True, but that's Basara's default reaction to anything with a pulse... and several noteworthy inanimate objects, like that mountain.

'bout the only thing he DIDN'T tell to listen to his song was that leaf he randomly ate that one time.

[Master Dex]

13 hours ago, Seto Kaiba said:

True, but that's Basara's default reaction to anything with a pulse... and several noteworthy inanimate objects, like that mountain.

'bout the only thing he DIDN'T tell to listen to his song was that leaf he randomly ate that one time.

It was listening to the song of his stomach.

[slide]

On 11/11/2020 at 11:10 AM, pengbuzz said:

And Basara would have screamed at her "LISTEN TO MAH SONG!!!!!!"

14 hours ago, Seto Kaiba said:

True, but that's Basara's default reaction to anything with a pulse... and several noteworthy inanimate objects, like that mountain.

'bout the only thing he DIDN'T tell to listen to his song was that leaf he randomly ate that one time.

25 minutes ago, Master Dex said:

It was listening to the song of his stomach.

This made my morning!

 

 

[pengbuzz]

14 hours ago, Seto Kaiba said:

True, but that's Basara's default reaction to anything with a pulse... and several noteworthy inanimate objects, like that mountain.

'bout the only thing he DIDN'T tell to listen to his song was that leaf he randomly ate that one time.

It was more like "LISTEN TO MAH CRUNCH!!!"

Makes me wonder if he turns on his shower using his guitar and screaming "LISTEN TO MAH SHOWAH!!!"

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5 hours ago, pengbuzz said:

It was more like "LISTEN TO MAH CRUNCH!!!"

Makes me wonder if he turns on his shower using his guitar and screaming "LISTEN TO MAH SHOWAH!!!"

Heads to the toilet shouting "LISTEN TO MY BOWELS!!! No, seriously. I had all-you-can-eat ghost pepper enchiladas last night, and it was a mistake."