sketchley Posted September 16, 2011 Posted September 16, 2011 Did a bit more (leading up to the VF Genealogy). The title of the fictitious VF-4/3000/5000 book is fun. Now... question: have they revised the formation of General Galaxy with the Alexi Kurakin description? Quote
Shin Densetsu Kai 7.0 Posted September 17, 2011 Posted September 17, 2011 So I take it the VF-1P is the definitive VF-1? Quote
sketchley Posted September 26, 2011 Posted September 26, 2011 So I take it the VF-1P is the definitive VF-1? Nah, MtR's VF-1X++ is. Added translations of Long Voyage/Project Trapeze and odds and ends (main ones that interest me are the sidebars on Grand Cannon II, Guantanamo class, F/A-20 Dragon II and so on. Quote
TehPW Posted September 27, 2011 Posted September 27, 2011 Nah, MtR's VF-1X++ is. Added translations of Long Voyage/Project Trapeze and odds and ends (main ones that interest me are the sidebars on Grand Cannon II, Guantanamo class, F/A-20 Dragon II and so on. i am curious how they are able to retroize the fighters from Pre-1991 (and justify) when if one didnt know any better after watching Macross Zero that they never existed and just convential assets was used in the UN wars up to the SDF's arrival and soon after. id just as well rather take the old Gene Rodenbury POV: They (the Klingons) where ALWAYS like this, only we never had the SFx to do it at the time...) of course, pretty much everyone pissed on his grave with the eventual storyline from ENT... but... Back to Macross!! Now with Low Carbs! Quote
Shin Densetsu Kai 7.0 Posted September 27, 2011 Posted September 27, 2011 Nah, MtR's VF-1X++ is. Added translations of Long Voyage/Project Trapeze and odds and ends (main ones that interest me are the sidebars on Grand Cannon II, Guantanamo class, F/A-20 Dragon II and so on. Well I mean for "normal" VF-1, Hakuna Aoba's doesn't count since it's heavily customized for racing! Quote
Talos Posted September 27, 2011 Author Posted September 27, 2011 Well I mean for "normal" VF-1, Hakuna Aoba's doesn't count since it's heavily customized for racing! Well, there is the normal VF-1X++ it's based on, supposedly an updated VF-1X made decades after production ended for special forces use, as I recall, with vastly updated technology. Something about them blending in since there are so many VF-1s out there. As for the pre-91 aircraft, I wonder if things like the Dragon and Sea Sergeant were reserved for ships like the Prometheus. We saw conventional aircraft operating off a normal carrier, while the Asuka II got OTM fighters and destroids in addition to Seahawks and Vikings. Whenever I see the Asuka II name, though, I can't help but think it was from the JMSDF originally. The Asuka is a JMSDF electronics test ship, so it would fit for the Asuka II to be their OTM test ship they donated to the UN. Quote
Shin Densetsu Kai 7.0 Posted September 27, 2011 Posted September 27, 2011 Well, there is the normal VF-1X++ it's based on, supposedly an updated VF-1X made decades after production ended for special forces use, as I recall, with vastly updated technology. Something about them blending in since there are so many VF-1s out there. As for the pre-91 aircraft, I wonder if things like the Dragon and Sea Sergeant were reserved for ships like the Prometheus. We saw conventional aircraft operating off a normal carrier, while the Asuka II got OTM fighters and destroids in addition to Seahawks and Vikings. Whenever I see the Asuka II name, though, I can't help but think it was from the JMSDF originally. The Asuka is a JMSDF electronics test ship, so it would fit for the Asuka II to be their OTM test ship they donated to the UN. Does it look any different than Hakuna's? Quote
Talos Posted September 28, 2011 Author Posted September 28, 2011 Does it look any different than Hakuna's? I presume it looks a lot like a normal VF-1, without the cut down tails, the enlarged dorsal strakes, the boosters built into the leg packs, and the additional thrusters on the nose and wing gloves. Quote
ivorysniper Posted October 27, 2014 Posted October 27, 2014 Hello fellows. I know I'm bringing this topic back to the future, but wanted to take advantage there was one already open. Do you guys know if there's any possibility of having this book back in the market at an affordable price again ?. It's currently marked as "discontinued" in HLJ and it's the last one pending to get to be up to date with these books. Quote
azrael Posted October 27, 2014 Posted October 27, 2014 Hello fellows. I know I'm bringing this topic back to the future, but wanted to take advantage there was one already open. Do you guys know if there's any possibility of having this book back in the market at an affordable price again ?. It's currently marked as "discontinued" in HLJ and it's the last one pending to get to be up to date with these books. It's hard to say. On HLJ, "Discontinued" may not actually mean discontinued, but HLJ isn't actively searching for more copies from their supplier and ditto for their supplier. That doesn't mean they won't get anymore in the future, but you will be better off searching around the 'Net than waiting for HLJ to find a copy for you. HLJ can search on your behalf for a copy but you might find it faster than they will. You can still get it off Amazon Japan's website: Link Quote
ivorysniper Posted October 28, 2014 Posted October 28, 2014 It's hard to say. On HLJ, "Discontinued" may not actually mean discontinued, but HLJ isn't actively searching for more copies from their supplier and ditto for their supplier. That doesn't mean they won't get anymore in the future, but you will be better off searching around the 'Net than waiting for HLJ to find a copy for you. HLJ can search on your behalf for a copy but you might find it faster than they will. You can still get it off Amazon Japan's website: Link Thanks a lot for the advise, Azrael !. Never bought from Amazon Japan before but setting an account and purchasing the item was easier than thought. The book is now being processed for shipment to this other side of the world. Prices were not bad either, even with the shipping charges. Way better than the cheapest price tag on Ebay. Thanks one more time !! Quote
Bub Posted October 30, 2014 Posted October 30, 2014 I just picked up some VF-1 books "Zentraedi Version" at the K-books in Radio Kaikan. I'm not sure if they're updated versions. They have the Zentraedi covers on. Quote
Sevket_Erhat Posted October 30, 2014 Posted October 30, 2014 can you post a few pics? Yes pictures please Quote
Tochiro Posted October 31, 2014 Posted October 31, 2014 (edited) http://www.macrossworld.com/variable-fighter-master-fighter-campaign/ It was an alternate dust jacket that's available for a limited time. The contents of the book haven't changed since it isn't a reprinting. (*grumble*noonereadsthefrontpageanymore*grumble*) (ノ_<) Edited October 31, 2014 by Tochiro Quote
Zinjo Posted November 3, 2014 Posted November 3, 2014 (edited) i am curious how they are able to retroize the fighters from Pre-1991 (and justify) when if one didnt know any better after watching Macross Zero that they never existed and just convential assets was used in the UN wars up to the SDF's arrival and soon after. id just as well rather take the old Gene Rodenbury POV: They (the Klingons) where ALWAYS like this, only we never had the SFx to do it at the time...) of course, pretty much everyone pissed on his grave with the eventual storyline from ENT... but... Back to Macross!! Now with Low Carbs! Considering the last Tomcat flew in 2006, the only reasonable explanations are: A) The depletion of aircraft during the wars had the fighters re-commissioned B) The F-14 depicted was the F-14-ST21 (Super Tomcat) but the ones depicted didn't look any different from a standard F-14D's. The ST-21's had some fuselage modifications different from the standard tomcat. Personally, I preferred the Zero version of events. It struck me as more plausible than to develop and deploy a new conventional 4th generation navy fighter when so many resources were being directed to the Variable Fighter program. Edited November 3, 2014 by Zinjo Quote
Bub Posted November 14, 2014 Posted November 14, 2014 (edited) Agreed regarding alternate dust jackets. Plus "2014" printed on the first page or wherever the "printed on 20xx" was printed. Sorry no pix. Edited November 14, 2014 by Bub Quote
Skull Leader Posted November 16, 2014 Posted November 16, 2014 Considering the last Tomcat flew in 2006, the only reasonable explanations are: A) The depletion of aircraft during the wars had the fighters re-commissioned B) The F-14 depicted was the F-14-ST21 (Super Tomcat) but the ones depicted didn't look any different from a standard F-14D's. The ST-21's had some fuselage modifications different from the standard tomcat. The Tomcat variant shown was the "F-14A Plus Kai" if I recall the compendium's terminology, basically an F-14 that was enhanced with overtechnology. (the one shown in the beginning of Macross Zero was modeled after a fujimi 1/72 F-14D tomcat, right down to the inaccuracies). Basically an F-14D on the outside, with an F-14A cockpit. Quote
Zinjo Posted November 17, 2014 Posted November 17, 2014 (edited) The Tomcat variant shown was the "F-14A Plus Kai" if I recall the compendium's terminology, basically an F-14 that was enhanced with overtechnology. (the one shown in the beginning of Macross Zero was modeled after a fujimi 1/72 F-14D tomcat, right down to the inaccuracies). Basically an F-14D on the outside, with an F-14A cockpit. Then why not call it an F-14E? It would take a real world aircraft and give it a fictional series letter. The Macross "plus" and "Kai" designations are becoming a bit cliched.... Edited November 17, 2014 by Zinjo Quote
David Hingtgen Posted December 12, 2014 Posted December 12, 2014 Because F-14A+ (Plus) is the real-world designation. It's fairly nonstandard, but F-14B was already taken at the time. And it wasn't the F-14C. But due to the US Navy's ancient computers not liking "+" in a plane's designation, they eventually retconned it to be the 'new' F-14B, and as the original F-14B never went into production/service, it was basically forgotten/ignored. What we know today as the F-14B, was originally designated the F-14A+. What was originally designated the F-14B---is sitting on the USS Intrepid right now(the only F-14 IIRC to ever have the F101 engine). Quote
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