Chewie Posted September 6, 2011 Posted September 6, 2011 there is no canon EU when it comes to SW. GL has repeatedly said that he considers the EU to be parallel to the movies and that he'll take from them and ignore them at his whim. He also says the Special Editions and the Blu Rays are going to be what Star Wars should have been. How far down the rabbit hole are we going to follow 'ole Georgy Boy? P.S. - Greedo shot first. Quote
eugimon Posted September 6, 2011 Posted September 6, 2011 (edited) He also says the Special Editions and the Blu Rays are going to be what Star Wars should have been. How far down the rabbit hole are we going to follow 'ole Georgy Boy? ... P.S. - Greedo shot first. he can say whatever he wants... they're his movies, his universe. People are free to move on and glom onto any of the other myriad fantasy worlds to vicariously live through. Edited September 6, 2011 by eugimon Quote
Keith Posted September 6, 2011 Posted September 6, 2011 In other news, only a week and 3 days until the blurays are out! Quote
Chewie Posted September 6, 2011 Posted September 6, 2011 I just think it's kind of silly to sit in this thread and bash on the changes that are to be because "he says so" but tell me that the EU doesn't count because because "he says so." Quote
eugimon Posted September 6, 2011 Posted September 6, 2011 I just think it's kind of silly to sit in this thread and bash on the changes that are to be because "he says so" but tell me that the EU doesn't count because because "he says so." That's because most fans don't consider them to be "his" movies but "their" movies. At the end of the day, all this fan rage isn't going to affect what GL does or doesn't do. After all, he already heard all of this before with the SE and it only emboldened him to go and make more changes. So if "fans" want to sit around and piss and moan over it, by all means, continue to do so. It makes for entertaining reading. But it's not going to change his mind or the minds of the millions of people who will happily by this set and sit down and enjoy them. Frankly, I have hobbies to have a good time and enjoy myself.. Quote
eugimon Posted September 6, 2011 Posted September 6, 2011 I just think it's kind of silly to sit in this thread and bash on the changes that are to be because "he says so" but tell me that the EU doesn't count because because "he says so." That's because most fans don't consider them to be "his" movies but "their" movies. At the end of the day, all this fan rage isn't going to affect what GL does or doesn't do. After all, he already heard all of this before with the SE and it only emboldened him to go and make more changes. So if "fans" want to sit around and piss and moan over it, by all means, continue to do so. It makes for entertaining reading. But it's not going to change his mind or the minds of the millions of people who will happily by this set and sit down and enjoy them. Frankly, I have hobbies to have a good time and enjoy myself.. Quote
VF5SS Posted September 6, 2011 Posted September 6, 2011 Ok ignoring what 1988 George Lucas said to Congress about how movies belong as much to the audience as they do the creator, the fact that people will buy Star Wars no matter what why not release an unaltered version? For the last DVD release the whole trilogy was done in both widescreen and fullscreen. Why are people being chastised when they only want to see the movie as close to how it originally was shown? Quote
Keith Posted September 6, 2011 Posted September 6, 2011 (edited) Ok ignoring what 1988 George Lucas said to Congress about how movies belong as much to the audience as they do the creator, the fact that people will buy Star Wars no matter what why not release an unaltered version? For the last DVD release the whole trilogy was done in both widescreen and fullscreen. Why are people being chastised when they only want to see the movie as close to how it originally was shown? Fact is they can....but it's in a really sh!tty looking low-res matted widescreen. As for EU fans, they don't call it "eww" for nuthin'. Edited September 6, 2011 by Keith Quote
eugimon Posted September 6, 2011 Posted September 6, 2011 Ok ignoring what 1988 George Lucas said to Congress about how movies belong as much to the audience as they do the creator, the fact that people will buy Star Wars no matter what why not release an unaltered version? For the last DVD release the whole trilogy was done in both widescreen and fullscreen. Why are people being chastised when they only want to see the movie as close to how it originally was shown? No, that's not why they're making fun of. It's the whiny, entitled, petulant way in which they're expressing their desire that's being made fun of. You don't like the new versions, don't buy it. Lucas doesn't owe it to you or me or anyone else to produce a version of the film that anyone other than himself wants. Quote
taksraven Posted September 6, 2011 Posted September 6, 2011 I am sitting here looking at my Blu-Ray edition of CE3K, which has THREE different versions of the film on the disk (original cinema, "special edition" and Spielberg's "Final cut".) and I am thinking to myself, this would not be impossible for Lucas to do as well. And if he did, it would make a lot of fans STFU. Quote
VF5SS Posted September 6, 2011 Posted September 6, 2011 I must admit the only copy of the original Trilogy that I own is a VHS Special Edition set I got for Christmas. For me it is the principle of the thing. Lucas doesn't owe it to you or me or anyone else to produce a version of the film that anyone other than himself wants. Well he would if the company was publicly traded. He probably doesn't allow that so some rich, zealous fan doesn't buy a majority share :v But still when did we get this "cult of the creator" thing? Quote
Keith Posted September 6, 2011 Posted September 6, 2011 It woiuld be insanely easy with blurays streamlined version of seemless branching, not anywhere near as glitchy as the DVD version. It would indeed get everyone to STFU, and might even bring us world peace. HOWEVER, tain't gonna happen anytime soon, as I wouldn't be surprised if Lucas even got his kids in on the burrying of the original cuts. Quote
eugimon Posted September 6, 2011 Posted September 6, 2011 (edited) I must admit the only copy of the original Trilogy that I own is a VHS Special Edition set I got for Christmas. For me it is the principle of the thing. Well he would if the company was publicly traded. He probably doesn't allow that so some rich, zealous fan doesn't buy a majority share :v But still when did we get this "cult of the creator" thing? It's not "cult of the creator". I'm not saying he's right or that his decisions are good... I'm saying he made it and he owns it, therefore he has the right to do whatever he wants to it. edit: And what's the alternative argument. I paid 2$ to go see your movie 35 years ago so now you have to get my permission before you make any decisions regarding the franchise because I've spent the last half century fixated on these movies like it's my religion? Edited September 6, 2011 by eugimon Quote
EXO Posted September 6, 2011 Posted September 6, 2011 hay george fix this There's nothing to fix. That's a jedi kick! Quote
Duke Togo Posted September 7, 2011 Posted September 7, 2011 (edited) You don't like the new versions, don't buy it. I'm not. Not only that, but I'm currently rockin' Harmy's de-specialized editions of the OT in 720p. Edited September 7, 2011 by Duke Togo Quote
Agent ONE Posted September 7, 2011 Posted September 7, 2011 I am going to buy the new set... 3 copies. I want Lucas to make more money. I think he does a great job. Quote
Warmaker Posted September 7, 2011 Posted September 7, 2011 (edited) I'm not. Not only that, but I'm currently rockin' Harmy's de-specialized editions of the OT in 720p. Ah, I see what he did thar. It's too bad that for a franchise as big as Star Wars, Lucas doesn't want the original cut out there, and segments of the fandom are left to fend for themselves. With this fan's work being a big example of it. Then I look at my library of DVDs & BDs and see original and director's cuts all over the place. Sometimes within the same package / case. And then I just shake my head. Edited September 7, 2011 by Warmaker Quote
Duke Togo Posted September 7, 2011 Posted September 7, 2011 (edited) TESB Han & Leia deleted scene Not one of those joke videos, this is an actual cut scene from the blu-ray. It would seem that it was an alternate to the "I'd just as soon kiss a Wookie" argument, or perhaps it was meant take place right before it. Edited September 7, 2011 by Duke Togo Quote
kaiotheforsaken Posted September 7, 2011 Posted September 7, 2011 Dont like it as much as the kiss a wookie version. But still, I heard he was either adding or at least showing cut footage on these releases. I believe there is a scene or two about Luke constructing his lightsaber in RotJ in there somewhere too. I can live with those kinds of things. Heck, I'm even excited about the Lightsaber scenes if they actually make it in. Since building one is supposed to be kind of a big deal, it'd be cool to see something actually on screen. Quote
Duke Togo Posted September 8, 2011 Posted September 8, 2011 Dont like it as much as the kiss a wookie version. But still, I heard he was either adding or at least showing cut footage on these releases. I believe there is a scene or two about Luke constructing his lightsaber in RotJ in there somewhere too. I can live with those kinds of things. Heck, I'm even excited about the Lightsaber scenes if they actually make it in. Since building one is supposed to be kind of a big deal, it'd be cool to see something actually on screen. No, these scenes are all on the supplements disc; they are not integrated into the movies. Quote
kaiotheforsaken Posted September 8, 2011 Posted September 8, 2011 Ah ok, makes sense. But it'll still be cool to see those scenes. Quote
taksraven Posted September 8, 2011 Posted September 8, 2011 TESB Han & Leia deleted scene Not one of those joke videos, this is an actual cut scene from the blu-ray. It would seem that it was an alternate to the "I'd just as soon kiss a Wookie" argument, or perhaps it was meant take place right before it. I think thats a great little scene. Great direction work too, shows up how bad Lucas' direction is..... TESB Han & Leia deleted scene Not one of those joke videos, this is an actual cut scene from the blu-ray. It would seem that it was an alternate to the "I'd just as soon kiss a Wookie" argument, or perhaps it was meant take place right before it. I think thats a great little scene. Great direction work too, shows up how bad Lucas' direction is..... TESB Han & Leia deleted scene Not one of those joke videos, this is an actual cut scene from the blu-ray. It would seem that it was an alternate to the "I'd just as soon kiss a Wookie" argument, or perhaps it was meant take place right before it. I think thats a great little scene. Great direction work too, shows up how bad Lucas' direction is..... Quote
Agent ONE Posted September 8, 2011 Posted September 8, 2011 I think thats a great little scene. Great direction work too, shows up how bad Lucas' direction is..... I think thats a great little scene. Great direction work too, shows up how bad Lucas' direction is..... I think thats a great little scene. Great direction work too, shows up how bad Lucas' direction is..... Did saying it three times make it a better post? I would like to add I like the actual chosen scene better, though this one is good also. I heart Lucas. Quote
taksraven Posted September 8, 2011 Posted September 8, 2011 Did saying it three times make it a better post? I would like to add I like the actual chosen scene better, though this one is good also. I heart Lucas. Yeah, I totally meant to post it three times like that. Ever heard of an unreliable wireless internet link? Quote
Agent ONE Posted September 8, 2011 Posted September 8, 2011 Yeah, I totally meant to post it three times like that. Ever heard of an unreliable wireless internet link? Is Lucas to blame for that too? Quote
taksraven Posted September 8, 2011 Posted September 8, 2011 Is Lucas to blame for that too? Yes. Quote
Duke Togo Posted September 9, 2011 Posted September 9, 2011 Ah. I see. I dunno, A1, you keep following with this line of thinking, and you'll start defending Kawamori's magical tree-hugging retcon of the Macross franchise. Quote
VF5SS Posted September 9, 2011 Posted September 9, 2011 I dunno, A1, you keep following with this line of thinking, and you'll start defending Kawamori's magical tree-hugging retcon of the Macross franchise. You know I've seen Macross Zero a few times and I've never noticed any actual tree-hugging. Maybe when Shin and Sara made their daring escape on a flying totem they had to hug it tightly with their legs but whatevs. It's not like anything in Zero affected future Macross productions outside of some cameos and crossovers in the new games. We're not going to see VF-0s digitally inserted into SDF Macross. Speaking of which, why doesn't George Lucas replace the AT-ATs with something that actually makes sense. Or adding in Turbo Tanks for some continuity. why not Quote
taksraven Posted September 9, 2011 Posted September 9, 2011 Ah. I see. Works better if you say it three times..... :P Quote
eugimon Posted September 9, 2011 Posted September 9, 2011 You know I've seen Macross Zero a few times and I've never noticed any actual tree-hugging. Maybe when Shin and Sara made their daring escape on a flying totem they had to hug it tightly with their legs but whatevs. It's not like anything in Zero affected future Macross productions outside of some cameos and crossovers in the new games. We're not going to see VF-0s digitally inserted into SDF Macross. Speaking of which, why doesn't George Lucas replace the AT-ATs with something that actually makes sense. Or adding in Turbo Tanks for some continuity. why not I think the AT-ATs are fine in design. It's the animation that sucks. They need to be galloping through the snow. Like ZOIDS. That would be a.w.e.s.o.m.e. Quote
kaiotheforsaken Posted September 9, 2011 Posted September 9, 2011 He should downsize them too. So that Stormtroopers (and Vader) can ride on their backs. Quote
eugimon Posted September 9, 2011 Posted September 9, 2011 He should downsize them too. So that Stormtroopers (and Vader) can ride on their backs. Lightlances! Quote
Keith Posted September 11, 2011 Posted September 11, 2011 Here's a full unboxing of the U.S. set. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nfQtEDoam8I&feature=player_embedded Man I hope these disc's don't scuff... Quote
Duke Togo Posted September 11, 2011 Posted September 11, 2011 Man I hope these disc's don't scuff... They don't scuff if you don't buy them. Quote
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