David Hingtgen Posted July 26, 2011 Posted July 26, 2011 Wouldn't be surprised if that particular plot point ties into The Avengers Seems it'll be the main MacGuffin, based on the after-credits scene in "Thor". Quote
eugimon Posted July 26, 2011 Posted July 26, 2011 I really liked the movie. The only thing that I disliked was the over-technology. I can deal with the portable submarines and even the flying fortress thing... but the blue laser-blast energy weapons.... I mean, really? For a movie that was supposed to be during WW2, Hydra was more technologically advanced than anything we have almost a century later. I was waiting for Red Skull to yell at some point.... but you're okay with a magical serum that doesn't just act like a super steroid but a DNA altering properties that can completely rebuild a body in seconds? Personally, being able to bottle up "energy" in fancy batteries is a lot more believable. Quote
Penguin Posted July 26, 2011 Posted July 26, 2011 (edited) Y'know, it always bugs me how people focus on the serum as some sort of steroid and leave out the all-important vita-rays that catalyze the transformation. I think this has been my favourite super-hero film of the season. It just seemed to gel really well to me. It had enough of everything I was looking for... character, story, action (well, maybe a little more of that might've been nice). In general, I thorougly enjoyed it from start to finish. I especially appreciated Chris Evans' portrayal. I honestly do get a little bugged at a lot of the reviews I've read that praise his performance as going beyond a "bland, flag-waving patriot" they all assume Cap is in the comics... which just goes to show none of them actually know the character they're sideways slamming. Unsurprising, but annoying. In any case, the Steve of the movie well represents the character as he is today, and I thought that was cool. Yes, I am a comic geek. Let's move along. As for Evans, it might be a bit of a vindication for him. All I heard before the film were derivations on "isn't he too comic for this", to which all I could think was "did nobody else see Danny Boyle's Sunshine?" (Given it was well-reviewed but not a big money-maker, guess I am in the minority.) Not that I'm a huge Chris Evans fan, but I never doubted he could pull of a serious role. Edited July 26, 2011 by Penguin Quote
kanedaestes Posted July 26, 2011 Posted July 26, 2011 I saw sunshine and had faith you would do just well. Chris is a good actor who just takes a lot bad roles at times, though to be fair he was the best thing about FF as his Johnny Storm was perfect and spot on. Chris seems to understand his comic characters more than more actors especially seeing as how he has done more comic movies than anyone else Quote
Valkyrie Hunter D Posted July 27, 2011 Posted July 27, 2011 I got a hunch that Bucky may come back at some point as Winter Soldier and he and Cap have a reunion in later Avenger movies. Sure he fell into a crevasse, but a body was never addressed. In any case, it's the best portrayal of Cap on film, and my only gripe is that it could've used more action. Quote
one_klump Posted July 27, 2011 Posted July 27, 2011 Just saw it, loved it. Howard Stark was great, Tommy Lee Jones was awesome, and Chris Evans made a wonderful Captain America. I really liked how they didn't spend 30 min on explaining the Asgard tech, because it was already explained in Thor. Quote
Chewie Posted July 27, 2011 Posted July 27, 2011 I sometimes wonder if anyone around here read/reads the comics for any of these movies, at all, ever. Quote
Keith Posted July 27, 2011 Posted July 27, 2011 I sometimes wonder if anyone around here read/reads the comics for any of these movies, at all, ever. Oh hell no. Comics are badly drawn and throw away any sense of canon like it's going out of style. Art aside, if they actually stuck to one, maybe two versions of the same story, and then let it end forever/kept characters dead/made new ones & freakin' moved on, that'd be another thing. But when there are 6 dozen different takes on superman/spiderman/batman/every super hero under the sun, they lose all credability in my book. Quote
taksraven Posted July 27, 2011 Posted July 27, 2011 Oh hell no. Comics are badly drawn and throw away any sense of canon like it's going out of style. Art aside, if they actually stuck to one, maybe two versions of the same story, and then let it end forever/kept characters dead/made new ones & freakin' moved on, that'd be another thing. But when there are 6 dozen different takes on superman/spiderman/batman/every super hero under the sun, they lose all credability in my book. That's absolutely right. Problems with continuity, canon, reboots and retcons are effectively killing comics, especially for casual readers. Just read this little article about reboots and retcons and their impact on DC. Quote
Mommar Posted July 27, 2011 Posted July 27, 2011 That's absolutely right. Problems with continuity, canon, reboots and retcons are effectively killing comics, especially for casual readers. Just read this little article about reboots and retcons and their impact on DC. The thing is DC has always essentially attempted to have one all-encompassing universe which has never worked out well for them. Marvel has made no qualms about saying this can be in one universe, this can be in another one, we reserve the right to choose and you reserve the right to enjoy the portions of it you want to. Technically reboots are done so new readers don't have to get the back-story on eighty years of character development/plot. Quote
areaseven Posted July 27, 2011 Posted July 27, 2011 Just came back from watching it in 3D and I must say it's about time Marvel gave Cap justice on the big screen. Not as good as Iron Man or X-Men: First Class, but it's up there among the best Marvel films. Quote
Agent ONE Posted July 28, 2011 Posted July 28, 2011 Oh hell no. Comics are badly drawn and throw away any sense of canon like it's going out of style. Art aside, if they actually stuck to one, maybe two versions of the same story, and then let it end forever/kept characters dead/made new ones & freakin' moved on, that'd be another thing. But when there are 6 dozen different takes on superman/spiderman/batman/every super hero under the sun, they lose all credability in my book. It looks like Hollywood is going to catch up. Quite a few reboots on the horizon. That said, you're totally right. How many different comic versions of Batman have there been? The answer could be 20 or 50 Quote
Chewie Posted July 28, 2011 Posted July 28, 2011 There is one prime storyline for most characters and universes whether it be DC or Marvel. That being said, DC is resetting the entire universe and every comic line they're keeping in September. I'm sure Marvel has something in the rafters waiting to see how DCs reset goes. Quote
eugimon Posted July 28, 2011 Posted July 28, 2011 There is one prime storyline for most characters and universes whether it be DC or Marvel. That being said, DC is resetting the entire universe and every comic line they're keeping in September. I'm sure Marvel has something in the rafters waiting to see how DCs reset goes. Well, as it relates to the movies, DC is keeping all their movies separate. No shared universe, so even if a JLA movie gets made, it won't be Nolan's batman or Ryan Reynold's GL. Different actors, different continuities. JLA will be one movie-verse and each of the stand alone franchises will be unique to each other and JLA. Quote
1st Border Red Devil Posted July 28, 2011 Posted July 28, 2011 Saw it last Friday. Fairly enjoyable, even with the ridiculous Hollywood elements added in (M1919 .30 cal machinegun being used like a more modern Squad Automatic Weapon). The spot-on accuracy of the War propaganda was cringe worthy but I always believe whitewashing history does a disservice to people. Quote
Agent ONE Posted July 28, 2011 Posted July 28, 2011 Saw it last Friday. Fairly enjoyable, even with the ridiculous Hollywood elements added in (M1919 .30 cal machinegun being used like a more modern Squad Automatic Weapon). The spot-on accuracy of the War propaganda was cringe worthy but I always believe whitewashing history does a disservice to people. Where the hell have you been? Was this film better than Southern Cross? Quote
1st Border Red Devil Posted July 28, 2011 Posted July 28, 2011 Where the hell have you been? Around... Was this film better than Southern Cross? No, sorry. Quote
anime52k8 Posted July 28, 2011 Posted July 28, 2011 (M1919 .30 cal machinegun being used like a more modern Squad Automatic Weapon) Tony Stein's stinger wants to tell you about how southern cross sucks. Quote
Gubaba Posted July 28, 2011 Posted July 28, 2011 I was just lookin for that thing!! Glad to be of service. Quote
1st Border Red Devil Posted July 28, 2011 Posted July 28, 2011 Tony Stein's stinger wants to tell you about how southern cross sucks. Heh, battlefield conversion is not the same thing as a mass produced version. Plus, the AN/M2 was pieced together in '45 just before Iwo Jima. Quote
VT 1010 Posted July 28, 2011 Posted July 28, 2011 IIRC, the .30 cal was used a few times in WWII like a SAW. I think they wrapped a web belt around the barrel shroud for a grip. It wasn't that common, but I believe this was done in the pacific theater by the Marines--though my memory is hazy. If only I could remember my source... Quote
Funkenstein Posted July 30, 2011 Posted July 30, 2011 Guys, they had plasma cannons and intercontinental stealth bombers. You're going to nitpick about a field-modified .30 cal? Quote
Warmaker Posted July 30, 2011 Posted July 30, 2011 Guys, they had plasma cannons and intercontinental stealth bombers. You're going to nitpick about a field-modified .30 cal? You do realize this is forum posting, right? This is what we do Quote
taksraven Posted July 30, 2011 Posted July 30, 2011 Tony Stein's stinger wants to tell you about how southern cross sucks. ZZZZZZZZZ zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz zzzzzzzz zzzzzz ......... Quote
PetarB Posted July 30, 2011 Posted July 30, 2011 I just saw the movie. It was awesome - and a lot of fun. You know, sometimes that's all I need from a movie! As a Luftwaffe buff it was also interesting to see some of the prototype designs at the end of the war actually make it onscreen, like that crazy rocket-propelled helicopter hybrid, and the back-prop driven air-launched aircraft. They were 'real' designs, that the desperate German engineers put forward, crazy to think of it! Quote
areaseven Posted August 8, 2011 Posted August 8, 2011 As usual, Hot Toys spared no expense on making their 1/6 Captain America figure as film-accurate as possible. Quote
renegadeleader1 Posted August 8, 2011 Posted August 8, 2011 (edited) I finally was able to get out see this and I loved it! I just wanted to make a couple of observations. 1. Like many of you I don't think bucky's dead. Its obvious that he unlike the other prisoners was being experimented on by the german doctor. Maybe another super serum candidate that was bombed by vita rays so he's not all buffed out? I think its very likely he'll come back as the winter soldier after being rescued by the soviets. 2.Anybody else think Peggy Carter is the grand ma of black widow? I think the movies might have merged agent 13's origin with black widow's. I couldn't help but think how much she reminded of her through out the film EDIT: I laughed my butt off at the red skull's reference to raider's of the lost ark at the begining of the movie. Edited August 8, 2011 by renegadeleader1 Quote
Scream Man Posted August 8, 2011 Posted August 8, 2011 LOVED it, that was a phenomenal film. JUST under Thor and Iron Man, but above Inc Hulk and IM2. Evans was great, they managed to not have "AMERICA" shoved down your throat, and the action was awesome. SLIGHTLY under Thor because I thought the combat scenes in Thor were a little better. Caps were cool, but I felt like there wasnt enough of them. Anyway great flick, lets have more! Quote
CoryHolmes Posted August 8, 2011 Posted August 8, 2011 As a Luftwaffe buff it was also interesting to see some of the prototype designs at the end of the war actually make it onscreen, like that crazy rocket-propelled helicopter hybrid, and the back-prop driven air-launched aircraft. They were 'real' designs, that the desperate German engineers put forward, crazy to think of it! I thought the Nazi superscience was way over the top... until I started reading up on some of the stuff that got proposed (and built!) like the Ho229 and it's bigger brother, the Ho18. I guess this was another case of reality is unrealisitc (ack! TVTropes reference! must... stay... away...). Along those same lines, I thought that watching the Mooks struggle with the sarcophagus coverstone and then the Red Skull easily shoving it open was over-the-top rediculous... until I realized (much later) that this was first proof that he'd taken the Super Soldier serum. *smacks hand* Bad Cory! Quote
RedWolf Posted August 9, 2011 Posted August 9, 2011 I thought the Nazi superscience was way over the top... until I started reading up on some of the stuff that got proposed (and built!) like the Ho229 and it's bigger brother, the Ho18. I guess this was another case of reality is unrealisitc (ack! TVTropes reference! must... stay... away...). I thought of "Any sufficiently analyzed magic is indistinguishable from science!". The only reason why these prototypes worked was the Cosmic Cube. Which in the comics warps reality. Remember in Thor Asgardian magic and science is one and the same. So those Hydra weapons and vehicles are MagiTech. Though I think the Cosmic Cube, Casket of Ancient Winters and the new element heart of the Arc reactor is made of the same element base but different hardware. In the Marvel comics many alien civilizations besides Earth created a Cosmic Cube. Quote
areaseven Posted December 16, 2011 Posted December 16, 2011 Joe Simon (1913-2012) - Thanks for the memories, Joe. Quote
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