Funkenstein Posted January 24, 2011 Posted January 24, 2011 Well, that last line would make a better Broadway show than Spider Man : Turn off the dark.
terry the lone wolf Posted January 24, 2011 Posted January 24, 2011 Wait! Somebody actually liked SC and wrote about it?....
HappyPenguins Posted January 25, 2011 Posted January 25, 2011 (edited) Wait! Somebody actually liked SC and wrote about it?.... Epic fail on their part The Shadow Chronicles...... Edited January 25, 2011 by HappyPenguins
anime52k8 Posted January 25, 2011 Posted January 25, 2011 Epic fail on their part The Shadow Chronicles...... that would have made shadow chronicles ten times cooler.
Smegalot Posted January 25, 2011 Posted January 25, 2011 On another funny front. I was going through YouTube looking at the Macross toy reviews, and some Robotech Fan, has put shitcross as a comment in most. Go figure...... I personally think HG is holding on to an old license and not letting any new Macross get through without there cut. And not allowed to put it out without or lable on it. But all they have done is make them selves look bad in the end with no new "product" out and not for a long time either just promises as per usual. And they are doing there fans a diservice by not letting them move on. heck I nearly think they are hoping for a revival like Star Trek did all those years ago. But unlike that franchise they did not have anything new come out fiction or product wise to build on. So here we are. I think they will be arguing the license issue for quite a while. But the internet lets all the new stuff through. So they should just let it die. They have made enemies out of the people that they wanted the new animation from. And are holding on to what has been created before. To try and get as much buck for little work..... that my two cents worth
Zor Primus Posted January 26, 2011 Posted January 26, 2011 (edited) Epic fail on their part The Shadow Chronicles...... So funny I had to make it an avatar lmao...now it looks like a Haydonite Edited January 26, 2011 by Zor Primus
Seto Kaiba Posted January 26, 2011 Posted January 26, 2011 On another funny front. I was going through YouTube looking at the Macross toy reviews, and some Robotech Fan, has put shitcross as a comment in most. Go figure...... Heh... nice. I just got done reading a funny little thread over on Robotech.com, where the populace is venting its outrage that Ricard Epcar's recent interview failed to mention his roles in Robotech in favor of Daisuke Jigen (Lupin III), Batou (Ghost in the Shell), and his roles in Digimon. They won't even post a link to the interview for fear that it will "corrupt" Robotech fans. The OP was positively beside himself that they said nothing about "his most-well-known roles" as Ben Dixon and Lunk.
Smegalot Posted January 26, 2011 Posted January 26, 2011 I wonder why they were upset with Ricard Epcar's interview. All the stuff he did for HG was years ago, and SC failed big time. Of course he would mention the newer sucessful series that he has been doing. Because that is what he is most known for. Robotech has had it's day, and that day is now over. I admit I enjoyed Robotech in the day as it introduced me to anime. But holding on to like some these guy's do. They have issues. I guess I will probably get flamed by some Robotech nut. But there is more anime out there then Robotech. And these voice actors have to make a living. And there are great stories that need there talents. And the fact still remains that all the anime they used was borrowed for Robotech and no real designs they came up with are orginal. And were never ment to be in one series by the original creators. Sort of like trying to say that Star Wars happened after Star Trek....... and create a very tenous link, that can never be shown in one place beause they were never made to be together. But I think the guy's at HG are just trying to save a dying company more then anything else from what I have seen and read. I am amazed they still have employees. You need a product to sell, and to keep the punter interested you need new product and HG suck at that. Time and time again. Until next time.
areaseven Posted January 26, 2011 Posted January 26, 2011 I wonder why they were upset with Ricard Epcar's interview. Simple: Because they're RT fans. Their minds are centered on RT and RT alone. They don't give a rat's ass about other anime and non-anime titles being superior.
azrael Posted January 26, 2011 Author Posted January 26, 2011 But I think the guy's at HG are just trying to save a dying company more then anything else from what I have seen and read. I am amazed they still have employees. You need a product to sell, and to keep the punter interested you need new product and HG suck at that. Time and time again. HG doesn't really have most of its investment in RT so there's no real sinking-ship here.
HappyPenguins Posted January 26, 2011 Posted January 26, 2011 Simple: Because they're RT fans. Their minds are centered on RT and RT alone. They don't give a rat's ass about other anime and non-anime titles being superior. Truth
Legioss Posted January 26, 2011 Posted January 26, 2011 They want it both ways. They want it to be the best American/Korean animation and at the same time the best Japanese animation. They think Robotech deserves these two contradicting honors as a compensation for it's failures. For a long time I haven't understood what Robotech fans think Robotech is. I think they put on Robotech in the living room and then go into the kitchen to cook and just listen to the audio because they hate everything else about it. Apparently a lot of people think when you like a show in that way it makes you a "fan".
Seto Kaiba Posted January 26, 2011 Posted January 26, 2011 I wonder why they were upset with Ricard Epcar's interview. All the stuff he did for HG was years ago, and SC failed big time. Of course he would mention the newer sucessful series that he has been doing. Because that is what he is most known for. Robotech has had it's day, and that day is now over. Oh, I agree wholeheartedly... but that won't stop some Robotech fans from getting bent out of shape over this interview because Richard Epcar didn't act as though voicing a couple of minor supporting characters in a series most anime fans don't even remember was the greatest achievement of his career. To be honest, I can kind of see why he'd want to escape association with it. Robotech's track record of embarrassing failure is just part of the problem, there's also the fact that they reportedly contracted him for 3 movies and then suspended it all in medias res and told him "Don't call us, we'll call you". They want it both ways. They want it to be the best American/Korean animation and at the same time the best Japanese animation. They think Robotech deserves these two contradicting honors as a compensation for it's failures. For a long time I haven't understood what Robotech fans think Robotech is. Yeah, I've noticed that too. On the one hand, you've got Robotech fans acting as though Robotech is the single most celebrated anime series of all time, and on the other those same fans are hailing it as the single greatest achievement of American/Korean animated SF. It's bad enough they've obviously lost their grip on reality, but the crazier ones put the cherry on it by arguing that all anime is inferior trash, that the originals have no value whatsoever outside of their use in Robotech, and that Macross's creators are breathlessly in awe of Robotech's success and desperately trying to imitate it wherever they can. They've spent so long lavishing the stagnant Robotech franchise with affection (via cash) and trying to convince themselves that Robotech is still worthwhile that they can't get by without the wall of delusions they've built around the fandom to protect it. Robotech isn't what these people are really defending with their asinine behavior... what they're trying so hard to protect is their rose-tinted childhood memories of the show. Now that everyone knows what Robotech really is, and the franchise is a stagnant, failed mess, they work themselves into a fury defending their rosy memories of the show to avoid having to acknowledge that the show they loved back in the day really isn't all that good or memorable. I think they put on Robotech in the living room and then go into the kitchen to cook and just listen to the audio because they hate everything else about it. Apparently a lot of people think when you like a show in that way it makes you a "fan". Eech... so it's the JAG of anime.
Wanzerfan Posted January 26, 2011 Posted January 26, 2011 Eech... so it's the JAG of anime. Look at it this way, at least we got NAVY: N.C.I.S. out of Jag.
Keith Posted January 26, 2011 Posted January 26, 2011 And that in general is a funamental difference. Many/most Macross fans are "anime" fans. We watch other things when there is no Macross. Most Robotech fans tend not to give two shakes about anime in general, and I have no idea what they do, aside from reading bad robotech novels & comic books. Anime in general seems to confuse and scare them, so of course they're going to hover around robotech as the best thing since burnt toast. How they can stll stomach that dialogue as adults though, that's a total mystery.
taksraven Posted January 26, 2011 Posted January 26, 2011 Look at it this way, at least we got NAVY: N.C.I.S. out of Jag. Its at times like this that I miss the barf emoticon. No wait.... Heh heh.
Zor Primus Posted January 27, 2011 Posted January 27, 2011 (edited) And that in general is a funamental difference. Many/most Macross fans are "anime" fans. We watch other things when there is no Macross. Most Robotech fans tend not to give two shakes about anime in general, and I have no idea what they do, aside from reading bad robotech novels & comic books. Anime in general seems to confuse and scare them, so of course they're going to hover around robotech as the best thing since burnt toast. How they can stll stomach that dialogue as adults though, that's a total mystery. Robotech wasn't my first exposure to anime. Old Mazinger Z comics I used to read got me first into the genre. Robotech was the first series I saw with a more mature (at the time) then GI Joe. Loved the show and wanted more. I had known it was three seperate series but never was even close to see the original material. After that I watched DYRL via a Clash of the Bionoids VHS...yeah, lets leave that one alone. Years later I wasn't privy to much anime other then sporadic movies I'd buy at comic conventions. Oddly enough Macross II was the first Macross series I saw post Robotech. After that I wanted more! Then I saw Macross 7...and retreated away from Macross until Plus redeemed the franchise in my eyes. The original SDFM was the very last series for me to have watched and it pretty much left what was left of my Robotech fandom in a nostalgic light. Like Keith said the dialog alone is hard to re-watch at our age. Shadow Chronicles was a complete disappointment and any follow up storyline would have to go a looooooooong way to impress me. The nostalgia keeps me hoping for something good, but I've been jaded by so many facts and observations I hadn't seen before that it'll be hard to change my view on Robotech and the current direction it is in. Edited January 27, 2011 by Zor Primus
Legioss Posted January 27, 2011 Posted January 27, 2011 And that in general is a funamental difference. Many/most Macross fans are "anime" fans. We watch other things when there is no Macross. Most Robotech fans tend not to give two shakes about anime in general, and I have no idea what they do, aside from reading bad robotech novels & comic books. Anime in general seems to confuse and scare them, so of course they're going to hover around robotech as the best thing since burnt toast. How they can stll stomach that dialogue as adults though, that's a total mystery. Nostalgia for most of them. For those who have been with it the whole time, they're used to the dialogue and ignore the flaws in it. Personally I've seen it so many times since age 11 the lines are like quotations. I can't marathon the show anymore though. It's too played out. I have either skim through the episode for what I'm looking for or get my Mospeada DVDs. I still think the dialogue does sound more natural than other anime dubs. Compare to Shadow Chronicles, Ranma 1/2, Macross II, or even a Streamline title by the same people at Intersound. Sorry I can't give any modern examples because I never liked anime dubs outside of Harmony Gold's.
chrisk Posted January 27, 2011 Posted January 27, 2011 (edited) http://io9.com/5743106/first-look-at-the-anime+style-thundercats So... when are they remaking Robotech for the new generation? At least the faithful will get a wallet, and reprinted comics from early 2000. Edited January 27, 2011 by chrisk
Dynaman Posted January 27, 2011 Posted January 27, 2011 How they can stll stomach that dialogue as adults though, that's a total mystery. Most of Robotech's dialog (original series) is fine, it's the blasted Narrator stating the obvious that drives me away. Although I like SC, the dialog is certainly flat - and far too much use is made of casual profanity for no good reason.
Wanzerfan Posted January 27, 2011 Posted January 27, 2011 Its at times like this that I miss the barf emoticon. No wait.... Heh heh. And it's times like this I miss the "Finga!" emotocon.
HappyPenguins Posted January 27, 2011 Posted January 27, 2011 (edited) http://io9.com/5743106/first-look-at-the-anime+style-thundercats So... when are they remaking Robotech for the new generation? At least the faithful will get a wallet, and reprinted comics from early 2000. Lyon-O's facial features could be a little rougher....he doesn't have much of a jaw Most of Robotech's dialog (original series) is fine, it's the blasted Narrator stating the obvious that drives me away. Although I like SC, the dialog is certainly flat - and far too much use is made of casual profanity for no good reason. (in the middle of an alien attack) Minmei -"Oh no my diary! Someone might read it!" [goes back to retrieve it] Also......TSC had dialogue? I thought all it had was boobs Edited January 27, 2011 by HappyPenguins
Dynaman Posted January 27, 2011 Posted January 27, 2011 (in the middle of an alien attack) Minmei -"Oh no my diary! Someone might read it!" [goes back to retrieve it] I didn't say the characters made sense, and that is perfect dialog for RT's Minmei.
HappyPenguins Posted January 27, 2011 Posted January 27, 2011 (edited) I didn't say the characters made sense, and that is perfect dialog for RT's Minmei. I always thought it was just a silly translation error in the script..... but I'd take that silliness over TSC's attempt at being "serious" any day. okay jokes over.............which one of you did this? Edited January 28, 2011 by HappyPenguins
TehPW Posted January 28, 2011 Posted January 28, 2011 (edited) I always thought it was just a silly translation error in the script..... but I'd take that silliness over TSC's attempt at being "serious" any day. okay jokes over.............which one of you did this? can't see it, not viewable by the public. and i'll be F^%$ing damned if i ever bother to even desire to post anything other than pictures of piles of dog crap on that site... Sorry, just wanted to be over the top dramatic, my distaste for Robowreck & Disharmony Mold... Edited January 28, 2011 by pensives_wetness
HappyPenguins Posted January 28, 2011 Posted January 28, 2011 can't see it, not viewable by the public. and i'll be F^%$ing damned if i ever bother to even desire to post anything other than pictures of piles of dog crap on that site... Sorry, just wanted to be over the top dramatic, my distaste for Robowreck & Disharmony Mold... Oh thats right, they made it to where only members could see pictures, well in that case..... here's what I linked to again joke is up, which one of you is trolling the fandom =P
Seto Kaiba Posted January 28, 2011 Posted January 28, 2011 Also......TSC had dialogue? I thought all it had was boobs Oh, the Shadow Chronicles movie had dialogue... it's just that they put a lot of effort into hiding it behind copious and completely tasteless fanservice so nobody would notice it's mostly a mad lib made up of Star Trek cliches. In the end, I guess they were crossing their fingers and hoping their target audience of long-time Robotech fanboys and hormonal teenage anime hobbyists would be too concussed by all the cleavage on display to notice that the bulk of the dialogue and all of the character interactions are stilted, lifeless, and completely unnatural. I didn't say the characters made sense, and that is perfect dialog for RT's Minmei. Yup... you just have to remember that Robotech's Minmei had the attention span of a gnat hopped up on Red Bull and an IQ to match... at least until the Sentinels comics, when they made her into the ship's bicycle instead.
Jasonc Posted January 28, 2011 Posted January 28, 2011 I never thought there was anything wrong with "fan service". It's a common thing in anime. The problem with Robotech's attempt is the context. Attempting to have the fan service right in the middle of a serious action/drama show just comes off awkward, and really only shows the forced attempt at which it's made. Secondly, they take a well known character from MOSPEADA and decide to change her to the point where she just doesn't even resemble the first character. Not only do they do that with Aeriel, but with JANICE as well. If this was going to be a comedy, or if Robotech had these characters like that before, then it would be in the same context, but since it isn't, that's where that issue really gets multiplied. That's my opinion on that.
taksraven Posted January 28, 2011 Posted January 28, 2011 And it's times like this I miss the "Finga!" emotocon. Oh, you mean this one.... :P
Shaorin Posted January 28, 2011 Posted January 28, 2011 (edited) HG doesn't really have most of its investment in RT so there's no real sinking-ship here. exactly. i used to wonder how HG had managed to stay afloat all this time on the "strength" of the non-entity that RT has been for almost all of the past 20+ years, until i found out that HG is first and foremost a Californian real-estate firm, and that ROBOTECH was but a fun little diversion on the side. it's too bad, really, that HG has itself so safely ensconced, as i tend to feel that the best possible thing that could have happened for U.S. MACROSS fans (and RT fans, whether they realize it or not) would have been for HG and RT to have died out before the big Anime boom of the early 2000s, clearing the way for pure, unadulterated MACROSS to establish itself in the U.S. in all of it's variations... Edited January 28, 2011 by Shaorin
terry the lone wolf Posted January 28, 2011 Posted January 28, 2011 Let me get this straight; Richard Epcar didn't mention Robotech in a interview so he's distancing himself from RT. Could it be he just forgot because the man has a full resume of voice work and directing. He forgot he was Vince Grant in the Sentinels. I think Robotech lovers and haters are being a wee bit paranoid on this one.
Jasonc Posted January 29, 2011 Posted January 29, 2011 exactly. i used to wonder how HG had managed to stay afloat all this time on the "strength" of the non-entity that RT has been for almost all of the past 20+ years, until i found out that HG is first and foremost a Californian real-estate firm, and that ROBOTECH was but a fun little diversion on the side. it's too bad, really, that HG has itself so safely ensconced, as i tend to feel that the best possible thing that could have happened for U.S. MACROSS fans (and RT fans, whether they realize it or not) would have been for HG and RT to have died out before the big Anime boom of the early 2000s, clearing the way for pure, unadulterated MACROSS to establish itself in the U.S. in all of it's variations... HG also buys and sells films from what I understand, although, I don't quite fully know, or care to know, at what capacity. Most of it is in foreign films, if I'm not mistaken. But real estate is also the real money maker. Let me get this straight; Richard Epcar didn't mention Robotech in a interview so he's distancing himself from RT. Could it be he just forgot because the man has a full resume of voice work and directing. He forgot he was Vince Grant in the Sentinels. I think Robotech lovers and haters are being a wee bit paranoid on this one. How are RT haters being paranoid over this? I see nothing wrong with his interview. Like people have said, he played two supporting characters in Robotech, and did some behind the scenes work and another supporting voice in rtsc. That's a lot less in comparison to his co-starring roles in Ghost in the Shell, Lupin, and a ton of video games and other characters in many more recent anime. I'd say to whomever is getting pissy about that interview to grow a pair, and get off the "Robotech is the be all, end all" bit. That kind of bitching and moaning only makes them look like a complete ass in a handbag.
Robelwell202 Posted January 29, 2011 Posted January 29, 2011 I never thought there was anything wrong with "fan service". It's a common thing in anime. The problem with Robotech's attempt is the context. Attempting to have the fan service right in the middle of a serious action/drama show just comes off awkward, and really only shows the forced attempt at which it's made I guess I should throw a 'SFT' in here, since I agree. Anime, by and large, has a fanservice aspect to it, and there are a lot of titles that use fanservice, but use it appropriately. One example would be Full Metal Panic!, with Chidori and Tessa. Both of these characters could be considered 'archetypical', but the fanservice aspect of each character isn't overdone. Of course, there are other titles that put RT:TSC to shame with the fanservice, and they shall remain nameless in this post (Strike Witches), so I'll leave it as a simple example of GOOD fanservice, and GOOD application of humor and action. (Disclaimer: Blame Seto Kaiba for getting me hooked on FMP! It's not my fault.)
Keith Posted January 29, 2011 Posted January 29, 2011 Robotech fans are officially the Gollum of all fanbases. They'll defend their "precious" to the death, and I can't wait until they jump into that damn Volcano! As for fanservice, I think the main thing Tommy & gang forgot was that you have to add jiggle to those tits.Maybe they couldn't afford the jiggle. Who knows how much extra that would have put them over budget, I don't know. But where anime strives at (para)naturally bouncing tits that defy gravity. TSC has given us the equivilent of bad porn star implants that are as hard as rocks, and run away from each other.
terry the lone wolf Posted January 29, 2011 Posted January 29, 2011 (edited) HG also buys and sells films from what I understand, although, I don't quite fully know, or care to know, at what capacity. Most of it is in foreign films, if I'm not mistaken. But real estate is also the real money maker. How are RT haters being paranoid over this? I see nothing wrong with his interview. Like people have said, he played two supporting characters in Robotech, and did some behind the scenes work and another supporting voice in rtsc. That's a lot less in comparison to his co-starring roles in Ghost in the Shell, Lupin, and a ton of video games and other characters in many more recent anime. I'd say to whomever is getting pissy about that interview to grow a pair, and get off the "Robotech is the be all, end all" bit. That kind of bitching and moaning only makes them look like a complete ass in a handbag. Some of the haters feel Epcar is starting to feel embarrassed to be associated with RT because he didn't talk about it. That's not the case he and his wife (who also worked on RT) has done con appearances (even in 2010) and was they were at RT25 dinner. People are taking a tiny bit of information and running with it. I could see if he was asked about RT and purposely dissed it but I don't see it here. Edited January 29, 2011 by terry the lone wolf
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