HG and Robotech Debates

[BeyondTheGrave]

It needs more Protoculture this and Robotechnology that, not actual human drama.

Right...

What did we learn from Rt the Shadow chronicles?

Sex first actual plot second.

[DrStrangelove]

Right...

What did we learn from Rt the Shadow chronicles?

Sex first actual plot second.

I'm still trying to figure out why all chicks in 2044AD are at least 36DD

[areaseven]

I'm still trying to figure out why all chicks in 2044AD are at least 36DD

Maybe because implants are mandatory in that era.

[Seto Kaiba]

It needs more Protoculture this and Robotechnology that, not actual human drama.

Yeah, and the dialogue doesn't have enough meaningless technobabble or pro-military xenophobic hate speech either.

Well since she just got fired from TF 3, how about Megan Fox as Miriya. Though, I'd rather see in a tight & short Chinese dress.

Personally, I'd rather see that talentless waste of space cast in a role much more appropriate for an actress of her caliber... perhaps as a department store mannequin or a particularly obnoxious hatstand. Like so many "up-and-coming" new actresses, the only thing she's good for is giving the hormonal middle-school boys in the audience wanker's cramp.

I'm still trying to figure out why all chicks in 2044AD are at least 36DD

Easy! The same reason everything else happens in Robotech... "Protoculture".

Edited May 20, 2010 by Seto Kaiba

[Beltane70]

Maybe the large chests are so the women won't hurt themselves when thrown from their seats when the ship gets hit.

[taksraven]

I'm still trying to figure out why all chicks in 2044AD are at least 36DD

Overuse of hormones??

Taksraven

[Robelwell202]

Maybe the large chests are so the women won't hurt themselves when thrown from their seats when the ship gets hit.

So, let me get this straight. If we look closely enough at the boobs, we'll see a 'SRS' stamp, as well as a decal telling us that, because of the unsafe nature of the boobs, we shouldn't put small children in car seats next to them?

[Keith]

Maybe the large chests are so the women won't hurt themselves when thrown from their seats when the ship gets hit.

And yet they failed to learn the lesson that Gundam SEED taught us, only real tits will bounce & jiggle when the ship gets hit. Those Shadow Chronicles implants are as hard and motionless as the acting.

[azrael]

Maybe the large chests are so the women won't hurt themselves when thrown from their seats when the ship gets hit.

Built-in flotation pods, mini air-bags for rough rides, etc. I'm sure it's one one of those reasons...

[BeyondTheGrave]

Yeah, and the dialogue doesn't have enough meaningless technobabble or pro-military xenophobic hate speech either.

Robotech Narrator Voice: As Captian Gloval* enters the the bridge he thinks to himself...

Gloval: (thinking) How is it that ms. porter can fit into her uniform? Her breast barely fit her uniform. I wonder how big she is.

Lisa Hayes: Officer on deck !

(everyone stands and salutes)

Gloval: At ease. Cmd Hayes what is the operational status of the sdf-1?

Hayes: Dr. Lang* has that all reactors are approaching maximum output and that the Electrode Particles are aligned with the ecm thrusters.

Gloval: How soon will be able to luanch?

Hayes: 30 minutes. As according to schedule.

(end scene)

Someone else can come up with the pro-military xenophobic hate speech.

*Possibly played by seto kaiba.

[taksraven]

My Facebook page is suggesting that I should say hello to my friend Carl Macek. Anybody want to have a seance??

Taksraven

[Ghost Train]

Explanation for amplified mammary gland visualization:

- The core RT fanbase was in their early teens, but mentally aged in the 5 to 10 range.

- Now, they're in their late 20's and 30's, but mentally, 12 years old.

RTS is a more mature tale that appeals to an audience that has aged considerably during the long absense of the franchise.

[Jasonc]

Explanation for amplified mammary gland visualization:

- The core RT fanbase was in their early teens, but mentally aged in the 5 to 10 range.

- Now, they're in their late 20's and 30's, but mentally, 12 years old.

RTS is a more mature tale that appeals to an audience that has aged considerably during the long absense of the franchise.

As HG staff once said, "You know how those young Korean aninators". Now that's putting the stereo, in stereotype. Comin' at you from left and right side.

If the big boob thing was what they were going for, that's fine and all, but at least don't make excuses for it. I see the big boob thing in other anime things, and sometimes it's there to add comedy, or eye candy. I get that, but why blame it on someone else, worse, even a culture? Doesn't HG sign off on the designs? I'm sure they don't just leave animators and character designers to do as they wish.

[Seto Kaiba]

Built-in flotation pods, mini air-bags for rough rides, etc. I'm sure it's one one of those reasons...

Why am I suddenly reminded of that scene in Star Trek: Nemesis where Data pops up out of the lake and calmly announces "In the event of a water landing, I have been designed to act as a flotation device"? Moreover, why can I easily imagine Tommy Yune doing the exact same scene and line with Janice?

Robotech Narrator Voice: As Captian Gloval* enters the the bridge he thinks to himself...

[...]

*Possibly played by seto kaiba.

Nah, I look horrible with a mustache... but by sheer coincidence I'm almost the exact same height as Bruno Global.

Explanation for amplified mammary gland visualization:

- The core RT fanbase was in their early teens, but mentally aged in the 5 to 10 range.

- Now, they're in their late 20's and 30's, but mentally, 12 years old.

RTS is a more mature tale that appeals to an audience that has aged considerably during the long absense of the franchise.

'kay, we know Ghost Train doesn't pull any punches...

[BeyondTheGrave]

Nah, I look horrible with a mustache... but by sheer coincidence I'm almost the exact same height as Bruno Global.

So you'd look like Tom Selleck?

Explanation for amplified mammary gland visualization:

- The core RT fanbase was in their early teens, but mentally aged in the 5 to 10 range.

- Now, they're in their late 20's and 30's, but mentally, 12 years old.

RTS is a more mature tale that appeals to an audience that has aged considerably during the long absense of the franchise.

If it's about the script you can thank Taksraven for that...

Man, he would never get hired by HG as a scriptwriter, 'cause he failed to mention "Minmei's MASSIVE 32DD heaving bosoms!!" (and even that is probably expressing it to eloquently for them)

Taksraven

[Funkenstein]

32DD's are too small.

[BeyondTheGrave]

32DD's are too small.

so you want this to go into the real of eiken?

[Einherjar]

As HG staff once said, "You know how those young Korean aninators". Now that's putting the stereo, in stereotype. Comin' at you from left and right side.

If the big boob thing was what they were going for, that's fine and all, but at least don't make excuses for it. I see the big boob thing in other anime things, and sometimes it's there to add comedy, or eye candy. I get that, but why blame it on someone else, worse, even a culture? Doesn't HG sign off on the designs? I'm sure they don't just leave animators and character designers to do as they wish.

Guess that's one of the reasons why they never maintained partnerships with a single animation company to seriously keep this franchise going. Of course, there's Tatsunoko, but they get residual payments from HG for maintaining it and do nothing else.

Edited May 21, 2010 by Einherjar

[Seto Kaiba]

So you'd look like Tom Selleck?

No, with a mustache I'd probably look more like Weird Al Yankovic than Tom Selleck.

As HG staff once said, "You know how those young Korean aninators". Now that's putting the stereo, in stereotype. Comin' at you from left and right side.

Y'know, they keep trying to excuse that by saying Tommy was having fun at his own expense... certainly possible given that he is Korean himself and was responsible for the original concepts (which did still have the stonking huge tits) and some of their evolutions. It's certainly indisputable that he's the man to blame for the whole of the OVA's cast looking like a collection of Mr. Universe contestants and porn stars. Then again, he did used to work for DC as an inker, and he did do a Danger Girl miniseries too, so there's a very real possibility that he just never learned how to draw people any other way than as buff, square-jawed manly men and women who are proportioned like a pencil that's been stuck through two grapes.

(Of course, there's the even more horrifying prospect that since Tommy Yune claims to be a long-time fan of the Robotech franchise, that he decided to subject the world to his personal masturbation material)

If the big boob thing was what they were going for, that's fine and all, but at least don't make excuses for it. I see the big boob thing in other anime things, and sometimes it's there to add comedy, or eye candy. I get that, but why blame it on someone else, worse, even a culture? Doesn't HG sign off on the designs? I'm sure they don't just leave animators and character designers to do as they wish.

Not just Harmony Gold... Tommy Yune signed off on them personally, and many of the early concepts are marked with "Studio Yune". Let's remember, Tommy is completely unable to cope with criticism of any kind. If he was going to catch flak for turning Robotech into the something nearly as shameless as Queen's Blade, of course he'd try to shift the blame elsewhere. From a business standpoint, I'm sure the stripperific female designs got the go-ahead from Harmony Gold's powers-that-be on the grounds that, if nothing else, the teenage male audience they were aiming for with Shadow Chronicles would be drawn to the film by the promise of gorgeous women with sprayed-on catsuits and cleavage that could hold up a Christmas tree who all find nerdy, introverted boys irresistible. It's little more than fantasy wish-fulfillment for the immature, antisocial die-hards who've kept Robotech alive all these years.

Now, if you want something truly screwed up, try this on for size:

In a frankly unsettling way, you could argue that Marcus Rush is a metaphor for the average Robotech fan rather than an author self-insertion fantasy persona. The parallels between the two are truly disturbing. Marcus is a naive, socially awkward, staggeringly ignorant young man who has anger management problems and no luck with attractive single women. He's avidly pro-military, violently xenophobic, and hates a group of people he's never even attempted to interact with peacefully because his superiors told him he should. As the result of all of the morally and ethically bankrupt behavior of supposed visionary who assembled the very foundations of their world by wronging that other group of people, he suffered a relatively minor injustice at the hands of that wronged party when they came back to claim what was rightfully theirs, which prompted him to blame them (and only them) for it and blow it wildly out of proportion into a crime worthy of genocide. He then encounters one of the enemy who isn't the evil monster hell-bent on ruining his life that he's convinced himself all of them are, and only comes to tolerate (not accept) that person after she looks the other way on all of his hate speech, his hostile behavior, and his openly-stated desire to murder her entire family. Even then, he only grudgingly accepts her after she goes well out of her way to save his stupid ass from his own idiocy, comes over to support his side too, AND pretends that the brain-dead jackass he and all his friends think is a visionary genius wasn't the real reason for the problem.

Holy hell, I think I cracked the Robotech code... the show is a metaphor for its own creative process and history! Zor is Carl Macek... a man totally oblivious to the consequences of his actions, who caused everyone a lot of grief by "borrowing" something important from a bunch of people who were minding their own business and perverting it into a badly-explained atrocity that ruins every world it comes into contact with. He provoked a zealot mindset in his followers (Harmony Gold), created a small army of mindless militant drones to defend his mess (Robotech fans). For his crimes, he was hailed as a visionary by his followers, whom he stuck with the unenviable task of trying to salvage the rapidly deteriorating mess he created. His abomination struck the Macross world and caused a lot of hostility, and after being ousted from there moved on to two different worlds (Southern Cross and Mospeada) that nobody on either side really gave a toss about. The few followers he had left attempted to replace him with an imitator (Tommy Yune) to salvage what they no doubt felt was a situation that'd gone way beyond their ability to deal with. He created an even bigger mess (Robotech: the Shadow Chronicles), which caused even more fighting and hostility (this time among his own followers), and then gave up. While the remnants of his followers attacked the people his predecessor wronged and made fools of themselves time and time again, he tried to strike out on his own with something original (Sentinels/RTSC) and nobody on either side remembered anything about it except the supposed (and decidedly peripheral) involvement of someone who actually mattered (Mark Hamill). The fighting between the factions of his followers and the enemy who'd come to claim what was theirs continued until the original owners of the contested property gave up on trying to reason with the fanatics, took their stuff, and left the fanatics to be destroyed by their own uncontrolled hostility.

It makes so much sense... mind=blown.

Edited May 21, 2010 by Seto Kaiba

[Moly_Sigang]

Let me get this straight; So Zor (Carl Macek) went to Optera (Japan) and manage to get the Flower of Life (SDF Macross) and gave it to the Robotech Masters (Harmony Gold) who then corrupted it into Protoculture (Robotech). Amazing, it does makes sense Seto. I'm sure we could find some other analogues here.

Edited May 21, 2010 by Moly_Sigang

[Funkenstein]

Im offended that you compared Queen's Blade to something so shameless as Robotech.

[Einherjar]

I would like to congratulate Juan, Memo, and everyone else in their Robotech cartel for officially taking Chris Meadow's place as the primer free publicity machine for Harmony Gold on the Internet.

And no, that's not a compliment.

[HappyPenguins]

I would like to congratulate Juan, Memo, and everyone else in their Robotech cartel for officially taking Chris Meadow's place as the primer free publicity machine for Harmony Gold on the Internet.

And no, that's not a compliment.

who cares about those twilight fans

[Einherjar]

who cares about those twilight fans

Just preempting for everything that's going to be coming out of the RobotechEspanol and affiliated/synergistic podcasts from now on for everyone.

[HappyPenguins]

Just preempting for everything that's going to be coming out of the RobotechEspanol and affiliated/synergistic podcasts from now on for everyone.

Ah you mean macross purist bashing, while they profess their love for Edward Cullen? same old, same old...

I also heard someone pussyed out when it came to talking to Tommy heh

[Jasonc]

Y'know, they keep trying to excuse that by saying Tommy was having fun at his own expense... certainly possible given that he is Korean himself and was responsible for the original concepts (which did still have the stonking huge tits) and some of their evolutions. It's certainly indisputable that he's the man to blame for the whole of the OVA's cast looking like a collection of Mr. Universe contestants and porn stars. Then again, he did used to work for DC as an inker, and he did do a Danger Girl miniseries too, so there's a very real possibility that he just never learned how to draw people any other way than as buff, square-jawed manly men and women who are proportioned like a pencil that's been stuck through two grapes.

(Of course, there's the even more horrifying prospect that since Tommy Yune claims to be a long-time fan of the Robotech franchise, that he decided to subject the world to his personal masturbation material).

Not just Harmony Gold... Tommy Yune signed off on them personally, and many of the early concepts are marked with "Studio Yune". Let's remember, Tommy is completely unable to cope with criticism of any kind. If he was going to catch flak for turning Robotech into the something nearly as shameless as Queen's Blade, of course he'd try to shift the blame elsewhere. From a business standpoint, I'm sure the stripperific female designs got the go-ahead from Harmony Gold's powers-that-be on the grounds that, if nothing else, the teenage male audience they were aiming for with Shadow Chronicles would be drawn to the film by the promise of gorgeous women with sprayed-on catsuits and cleavage that could hold up a Christmas tree who all find nerdy, introverted boys irresistible. It's little more than fantasy wish-fulfillment for the immature, antisocial die-hards who've kept Robotech alive all these years.

I think overall, Tommy Yune is a very good artist. While I didn't like the comic superhero bodies for an anime, overall, he's done some good art, and his skills in photoshop and color are quite good. The theories you provided on why those specific types of designs are all feasible, and maybe it's a little of all of them that exist in that reason. Heck, I'd be totally fine if his reason was simply "that was the design we went for, and not everyone is going to like it, but that's what it is." Damn, now that'd be taking the issue by the proverbial balls and handling it.

In a frankly unsettling way, you could argue that Marcus Rush is a metaphor for the average Robotech fan rather than an author self-insertion fantasy persona. The parallels between the two are truly disturbing. Marcus is a naive, socially awkward, staggeringly ignorant young man who has anger management problems and no luck with attractive single women. He's avidly pro-military, violently xenophobic, and hates a group of people he's never even attempted to interact with peacefully because his superiors told him he should. As the result of all of the morally and ethically bankrupt behavior of supposed visionary who assembled the very foundations of their world by wronging that other group of people, he suffered a relatively minor injustice at the hands of that wronged party when they came back to claim what was rightfully theirs, which prompted him to blame them (and only them) for it and blow it wildly out of proportion into a crime worthy of genocide. He then encounters one of the enemy who isn't the evil monster hell-bent on ruining his life that he's convinced himself all of them are, and only comes to tolerate (not accept) that person after she looks the other way on all of his hate speech, his hostile behavior, and his openly-stated desire to murder her entire family. Even then, he only grudgingly accepts her after she goes well out of her way to save his stupid ass from his own idiocy, comes over to support his side too, AND pretends that the brain-dead jackass he and all his friends think is a visionary genius wasn't the real reason for the problem.

Holy hell, I think I cracked the Robotech code... the show is a metaphor for its own creative process and history! Zor is Carl Macek... a man totally oblivious to the consequences of his actions, who caused everyone a lot of grief by "borrowing" something important from a bunch of people who were minding their own business and perverting it into a badly-explained atrocity that ruins every world it comes into contact with. He provoked a zealot mindset in his followers (Harmony Gold), created a small army of mindless militant drones to defend his mess (Robotech fans). For his crimes, he was hailed as a visionary by his followers, whom he stuck with the unenviable task of trying to salvage the rapidly deteriorating mess he created. His abomination struck the Macross world and caused a lot of hostility, and after being ousted from there moved on to two different worlds (Southern Cross and Mospeada) that nobody on either side really gave a toss about. The few followers he had left attempted to replace him with an imitator (Tommy Yune) to salvage what they no doubt felt was a situation that'd gone way beyond their ability to deal with. He created an even bigger mess (Robotech: the Shadow Chronicles), which caused even more fighting and hostility (this time among his own followers), and then gave up. While the remnants of his followers attacked the people his predecessor wronged and made fools of themselves time and time again, he tried to strike out on his own with something original (Sentinels/RTSC) and nobody on either side remembered anything about it except the supposed (and decidedly peripheral) involvement of someone who actually mattered (Mark Hamill). The fighting between the factions of his followers and the enemy who'd come to claim what was theirs continued until the original owners of the contested property gave up on trying to reason with the fanatics, took their stuff, and left the fanatics to be destroyed by their own uncontrolled hostility.

It makes so much sense... mind=blown.

You must've thought this out quite through. While the similarities and metaphors are eerily similar in all that, I don't think it's more than coincidence. Nevertheless, the similarities make for interesting analogy. I'm not so quick to vilify Carl Macek. I also don't think he caused grief, although the company he worked for seems to be pretty capable of that in the corporate world. I don't know how much grief any of the past, or even current situations can really cause to any fan, unless they take all this way to personal, and it's such a big part of their life. I know some here are quite burned at not having Macross here in the states, but at this point, I'm totally happy having it only in Japan, and not in some company's that would butcher it. Robotech was made out of necessity to turn a profit on what HG had and to get it aired, and while it's not original Macross, Southern Cross, or Mospeada, things like this were more than acceptable back then. I get that, and have no issue with that, although, they should've moved on long ago. Seems they are incapable, or the fans won't let them do that.

[Legioss]

Hey guys. I've been excommunicated from Robotech fandom by a respected fan leader and the next Howard Stern of podcasting who's currently trolling our board. I'm a Macross purist. So I figured I'd post at the evil villian's base where we plot to corrupt Robotech with naked little girls like the ones you can see in Macross, Southern Cross, Mospeada, and Robotech Remastered. Then we're going to turn Robotech into an anime heavily influenced by Macross that it wasn't before. I will continue to study the evil language Japanese for the cause.

[Seto Kaiba]

Let me get this straight; So Zor (Carl Macek) went to Optera (Japan) and manage to get the Flower of Life (SDF Macross) and gave it to the Robotech Masters (Harmony Gold) who then corrupted it into Protoculture (Robotech). Amazing, it does makes sense Seto. I'm sure we could find some other analogues here.

I know... it's wicked scary how well this works.

Im offended that you compared Queen's Blade to something so shameless as Robotech.

Oh please, Queen's Blade is barely a half-step above the late night softcore porn on Cinemax.

I would like to congratulate Juan, Memo, and everyone else in their Robotech cartel for officially taking Chris Meadow's place as the primer free publicity machine for Harmony Gold on the Internet.

And no, that's not a compliment.

Oh noes... a handful of cack-handed twits have taken the place of a halfway-competent spin doctor in promoting Harmony Gold's increasingly knee-jerk attempts to maintain interest in the festering pile of poo that is the Robotech franchise... whatever shall we do to stop this dynamic duo (trio?) from heralding the explosive return to the Robotech glory days of 1999, when even Robotech fans found what Harmony Gold was doing with the franchise disgusting.

I think overall, Tommy Yune is a very good artist. While I didn't like the comic superhero bodies for an anime, overall, he's done some good art, and his skills in photoshop and color are quite good.

Oh, I don't deny that the man has some degree of artistic talent... it's just that the man's experience is in a genre largely incompatible with the one in which he now works, and the man seems to have no work ethic. His art for the MPC line has some seriously Liefeldesque posture issues (particularly Miriya). Really, my beef with his art is that the man has no experience or talent as a mechanical designer, and that he lets his inexperience get in tune with his massive ego and produces cop-outs like his "sudden mechanical failure" in the YF-4 (RT ver. of Macross's VF-X-4) so he wouldn't have to design a transformation for it, or the transforming Combat he'd tried to pass off as the "Gamma Fighter".

The theories you provided on why those specific types of designs are all feasible, and maybe it's a little of all of them that exist in that reason. Heck, I'd be totally fine if his reason was simply "that was the design we went for, and not everyone is going to like it, but that's what it is." Damn, now that'd be taking the issue by the proverbial balls and handling it.

Well, we all know Tommy can't stand to be criticized, so it's only natural he'd do whatever he could to deflect the discontent over his turning every man into Gaston with better hair and every woman into Shay Laren onto the heads of someone who probably can't understand the complaints in the first place.

You must've thought this out quite through. While the similarities and metaphors are eerily similar in all that, I don't think it's more than coincidence.

I know, it was a very tongue-in-cheek joke... you'd think having someone like me talk of a "Robotech Code" might send up big red flags that say "this is humor".

Nevertheless, the similarities make for interesting analogy. I'm not so quick to vilify Carl Macek. I also don't think he caused grief, although the company he worked for seems to be pretty capable of that in the corporate world. I don't know how much grief any of the past, or even current situations can really cause to any fan, unless they take all this way to personal, and it's such a big part of their life.

Grief might be the wrong word for it, unless you've had recent dealings with the mooks in charge of it all... but the point remains that Macek's inability to see the consequences of his actions (or that the industry changed and that his methods were considered bad practice) was the genesis of a lot of the misconceptions and idiot behavior fans of Macross (and indeed, BattleTech too) have to put up with from Robotech fans. I won't vilify Mr. Macek for the way he used Macross when he put together Robotech in 1984-1985, but I WILL give him the scorn he so richly deserves after 15+ years of habitual lying, exaggerating, and taking credit for the work of others in hopes of making Robotech fans believe he was a visionary.

To be blunt, where Robotech was concerned the man was little more than a sanctioned con artist. You could call what little work he actually did on Robotech the artistic equivalent of buying a bunch of random sci-fi novels, using a bottle of white-out to change all the character- and place-names, taping a new logo over the title of each one, and selling them as installments in a new, original series while loudly asking "WHO?" every time someone asks about the original author. You could potentially have gotten away with it back in the day... but it was questionable back then, and trying to defend it as legitimate now is something approaching insanity.

[Seto Kaiba]

Hey guys. I've been excommunicated from Robotech fandom by a respected fan leader and the next Howard Stern of podcasting who's currently trolling our board. I'm a Macross purist. So I figured I'd post at the evil villian's base where we plot to corrupt Robotech with naked little girls like the ones you can see in Macross, Southern Cross, Mospeada, and Robotech Remastered. Then we're going to turn Robotech into an anime heavily influenced by Macross that it wasn't before. I will continue to study the evil language Japanese for the cause.

Oh, that was us? Seriously... the evil cabal that guy says I'm the overlord of must be working overtime to pull something like THAT off. All this time I thought putting all of the deleted gore, innuendo, and nudity back into Robotech was Mr. Tommy Yune's handiwork, and that Harmony Gold and the majority of Robotech fans considered it a rousing success. I know they don't sell the non-remastered version anymore... the RT.com store doesn't carry anything except the Protoculture Collection and Robotech Remastered. If all that was our doing, and my army of sinister Macross purist infiltrators have replaced THAT much of the Robotech fanbase, why the hell are we still having them pretend to be Robotech fans? Honestly... I need to have WORDS with my Evil Human Resources people (haha, department of redundancy department) about their recent staffing decisions.

I bet it really burns his ass that Tommy Yune has been trying to make Robotech conform more closely to Macross since 2001... even going so far as to try changing the VF-1's fuel from the assumed protoculture powerplant to thermonuclear fusion.

Edited May 21, 2010 by Seto Kaiba

[taksraven]

We really should put together a proper Macrossworld podcast!

Taksraven

Edited May 21, 2010 by taksraven

[Roy Focker]

I forgot I had a Robotech.com account.

Found some of their robotech.com store email spam.

Looks like they are going to be selling Revoltech Valkyries.

http://www.robotech.com/store/viewpreord.php

I thought Kaiyodo got their license from Big West & Co. Did they make a deal with HG on the side? Is HG themselves acting as a generic USA based online store and ordering them from a distributor like everyone else is?

[HappyPenguins]

I forgot I had a Robotech.com account.

Found some of their robotech.com store email spam.

Looks like they are going to be selling Revoltech Valkyries.

http://www.robotech.com/store/viewpreord.php

I thought Kaiyodo got their license from Big West & Co. Did they make a deal with HG on the side? Is HG themselves acting as a generic USA based online store and ordering them from a distributor like everyone else is?

ugh, I just love how most of the merchandise listed is Shadow Chronicles!

*vomit*

[Jasonc]

I forgot I had a Robotech.com account.

Found some of their robotech.com store email spam.

Looks like they are going to be selling Revoltech Valkyries.

http://www.robotech.com/store/viewpreord.php

I thought Kaiyodo got their license from Big West & Co. Did they make a deal with HG on the side? Is HG themselves acting as a generic USA based online store and ordering them from a distributor like everyone else is?

rt.com is full of those rat bastard Macross Purists!!! you know what Macross Purists is short for? MP, or Military Police, and that makes this whole plot even more sinister.

[Gubaba]

Actually...I've always thought that the story behind Fire Bomber American rather eerily echoes Robotech... That Fire Bomber creates music, Fire Bomber American takes that music, translates it (sort of) into English, and then claims credit for the whole thing.

[Einherjar]

Hey guys. I've been excommunicated from Robotech fandom by a respected fan leader and the next Howard Stern of podcasting who's currently trolling our board. I'm a Macross purist. So I figured I'd post at the evil villian's base where we plot to corrupt Robotech with naked little girls like the ones you can see in Macross, Southern Cross, Mospeada, and Robotech Remastered. Then we're going to turn Robotech into an anime heavily influenced by Macross that it wasn't before. I will continue to study the evil language Japanese for the cause.

I see they have also sent their posse to the site too to prove something very obscure. Hopefully, they do not set their focus on the site as the next topic for their shows.

Actually...I've always thought that the story behind Fire Bomber American rather eerily echoes Robotech... That Fire Bomber creates music, Fire Bomber American takes that music, translates it (sort of) into English, and then claims credit for the whole thing.

There's also Grace's version of Aimo and Do You Remember Love.

Edited May 22, 2010 by Einherjar