The PS3 thread

[Chewie]

Sony should have listened to Anonymous and dropped the lawsuit.

[PetarB]

I wont condone what Anonymous or whoever it was that hacked PSN did.

However for the past couple of years I have been really, really annoyed with my Sony and my PS3. I've seen a gradual erosion of capability created by their forced updates. No way, never again. For me, a console should 'just work' as-is, as you were sold, straight out of the box. If I want updates, cutting edge graphics, and networked games, I think I will stick to my PC.

[eugimon]

Sorry, but I think Sony trying to pin this on anon or some homebrew group is a giant red herring. This looks like some ID theft ring figured out that Sony's security was lacking and exploited it. Sony, wanting to save face and play the victim, turned around and tried to blame the outage on the evil "hackers".

Sony was sleeping on the job and they get punked. Which isn't the greatest thing, but it's understandable. A lot of companies get hacked. What isn't understandable is them keeping quiet about the scope and severity and forcing their users to go to third party news outlets to find out what happened.

[Einherjar]

I blame this entirely on George Hotz. He just had to be very open about being able to hack the PS3. What good did that really do anyway?

[Roy Focker]

Anonymous or whoever did this it begs the question how bad is Sony's security? You'd think a major company that can afford to pay for the best people and security measures would be able to thwart the hoodlums of the internet.

[Einherjar]

Anonymous or whoever did this it begs the question how bad is Sony's security? You'd think a major company that can afford to pay for the best people and security measures would be able to thwart the hoodlums of the internet.

Remember that someone was finally able to hack into the system recently and showed off how he did it. His work may have been used by other people to do more damage than anyone imagined.

[Hikuro]

Well that explains why it's been so buggy on me....oh well that's fine I hardly even use the PSN other than to get on netflix and surprisingly I still can!

[VF-19]

This whole incident kinda makes me glad I installed CFW on my PSP, and ripping my PS1 disks to play my PS1 games on my PSP...

[Duke Togo]

Sony should have listened to Anonymous and dropped the lawsuit.

Wow, that's brilliant. Here, you win the prize; I bet your mom is proud.

[David Hingtgen]

Well, I'm paranoid enough that I just put up a fraud alert on my account.

[Gunbuster]

Here’s my conspiracy theory:

The hack may be related to Portal 2 crossplatforming. The hack happen within the time frame or the window of Portal 2’s release date, maybe it’s just a coincident.

In the past, Microsoft said they would never do cross platforming due to security issues. I know Steam is pretty secured, however I don’t think PSN was ever that secured. PSN was a closed network, so Sony didn’t have to worry too much of getting hack daily unlike Steam. The day they open their gates to the PC and Mac world…...bam! it happens.

My other reasoning is with PSN, you can only do so much with limited hacking tools for linux (that is if you still have an old firmware), when the door opened up to the PC and Mac side, you have a million and one tools to play with to hack a network.

I’m guessing Portal really open a door into PSN (HAR, HAR :-P)

;-)

[Hikuro]

I got the email today, so I went to my bank, deactivated my bank card and got a new one issued which will take 7 days to get soooooooooooo thank god I live close to work! Food though, kinda screwed. Looks like banks have received the notice that there will be customers coming in for new accounts or debit/credit cards. I even heard a teller go "crap, I gotta get a reissue cause of my kids on the playstation network!"

[Lobizon]

PSN becoming a pay only service like Xbox LIVE - rumor

http://www.maxconsole.net/content.php?45769-PSN-becoming-a-pay-only-service-like-Xbox-LIVE-rumor

[Chewie]

Wow, that's brilliant. Here, you win the prize; I bet your mom is proud.

Haha.

Instead of suing the guy, they should have hired him. Plain and simple. You don't see Microsoft suing the pants off of everyone and their cousin for unlocking the potential of the Kinect. They embraced it and it's most likely going to make them more billions.

Fact of the matter is Sony was warned, and they sat back and scoffed and now their customers are suffering. I don't agree with it one bit and groups like Anon scare the poo out of me, but these companies that play with fire when told it's gonna hurt, deserve to get burned once in awhile.

[Archer]

Is PSN up again? If its not, does anyone know when it will be? Sorry, but I don't have access to my PS3 at this time

[Chewie]

Is PSN up again? If its not, does anyone know when it will be? Sorry, but I don't have access to my PS3 at this time

They're saying at least another week.

[macross_fan99]

PSN becoming a pay only service like Xbox LIVE - rumor

http://www.maxconsole.net/content.php?45769-PSN-becoming-a-pay-only-service-like-Xbox-LIVE-rumor

This will never happen during the PS3 generation.

Microsoft got an early lead in the online service and sony needed to play catch up so they offered free online. They won't change that. Once the PS4 hits though they will definitely be implementing a pay service.

There is too much money in it to not do it. Plus by then they have an established online community that will want to stay with them rather than go to the next MS console. Especially since the online prices should be very comparable.

Implementing a fee after this whole hacker fiasco would also be suicide for them. They will probably see a large drop in online purchases as it is.

[eugimon]

This will never happen during the PS3 generation.

Microsoft got an early lead in the online service and sony needed to play catch up so they offered free online. They won't change that. Once the PS4 hits though they will definitely be implementing a pay service.

There is too much money in it to not do it. Plus by then they have an established online community that will want to stay with them rather than go to the next MS console. Especially since the online prices should be very comparable.

Implementing a fee after this whole hacker fiasco would also be suicide for them. They will probably see a large drop in online purchases as it is.

I dunno, Sony is saying they 70+ million subscribers and MS says they have 30 million active Live subscribers. Sony might be more than willing to lose some customers if they can tap into that sort of revenue.

And they already have a "villain" for fanboys to blame. Those evil, socialist, homebrew hackers are so evil and want to steal our info... so they have to spend the money to keep us safe. So don't blame us (sony), blame the hackers.

Edited April 29, 2011 by eugimon

[Duke Togo]

Bloomberg.com

Spokesmen for Wells Fargo & Co. (WFC), American Express Co. (AXP) and MasterCard Inc. (MA) said they were monitoring cardholder accounts and hadn’t seen unauthorized activity relating to Sony.

[David Hingtgen]

I wonder--how could they tell? It's not as if the stolen credit cards would be used only for Sony or game-related things. Also--at least a few reports at various game sites of fraud or suspected fraud. (of course, could just be coincidence)

[Duke Togo]

I wonder--how could they tell? It's not as if the stolen credit cards would be used only for Sony or game-related things. Also--at least a few reports at various game sites of fraud or suspected fraud. (of course, could just be coincidence)

I assume there would be a pattern among users possibly effected.

There are alot of rumors out there right now. One of them has database of 2.2 million PSN users' info and CC information up for sale, including the all important CVV2 numbers. Sony never had the CVV2 info. Just alot of "sky is falling" BS out there right now.

[Keith]

Haha.

Instead of suing the guy, they should have hired him. Plain and simple. You don't see Microsoft suing the pants off of everyone and their cousin for unlocking the potential of the Kinect. They embraced it and it's most likely going to make them more billions.

Fact of the matter is Sony was warned, and they sat back and scoffed and now their customers are suffering. I don't agree with it one bit and groups like Anon scare the poo out of me, but these companies that play with fire when told it's gonna hurt, deserve to get burned once in awhile.

Don't see that happening. Hackers who break into things, potentially prank big important systems, yeah, they sometimes get hired. Hackers who break in, steal personal nformation, and hten sell it? They shouldn't be hired at all, but should be prosecuted to the full extent of the federal law they broke.

[bluemax151]

Sorry, but I think Sony trying to pin this on anon or some homebrew group is a giant red herring. This looks like some ID theft ring figured out that Sony's security was lacking and exploited it. Sony, wanting to save face and play the victim, turned around and tried to blame the outage on the evil "hackers".

This was my initial reaction too. Call me paranoid but the timing is just too perfect for Sony too cast bad light/blame on Geohot/homebrewers/etc now.

I am certainly curious to see if they catch who did it and where they are from. Hopefully it's China or North Korea so the US can drum up some more paranoia

[aerocombatpilot]

I guess this is the thread for my question, so here goes: I've just purchased a 23 inch LG Flatscreen monitor for my computer and the picture is marvelous, so I wondered if it is possible to use it for my Playstation 3 instead of my TV?

[Chewie]

Don't see that happening. Hackers who break into things, potentially prank big important systems, yeah, they sometimes get hired. Hackers who break in, steal personal nformation, and hten sell it? They shouldn't be hired at all, but should be prosecuted to the full extent of the federal law they broke.

The guy who "jailbroke" the PS3 stole and sold the information he found?

I don't recall that part of the story.

The guys who brought down PSN and compromised all of those peoples info? Burn em' at the stake for all I care.

I guess this is the thread for my question, so here goes: I've just purchased a 23 inch LG Flatscreen monitor for my computer and the picture is marvelous, so I wondered if it is possible to use it for my Playstation 3 instead of my TV?

Does it have HDMI? If so, yes. It will work. However, for sound you'll need to utilize an optical cable and a secondary speaker system/headphones unless your monitor has some sort of speakers built in.

Edited April 29, 2011 by Chewie

[aerocombatpilot]

Does it have HDMI? If so, yes. It will work. However, for sound you'll need to utilize an optical cable and a secondary speaker system/headphones unless your monitor has some sort of speakers built in.

Yes it does have HDMI, I'll have to work on getting the sound but that "hopefully" should not be a problem. As along as this baby is ready to go when Ace Combat Assalt Horizons comes out-whenever that is!!!! Thanks for the info!!!!

[Keith]

The guy who "jailbroke" the PS3 stole and sold the information he found?

I don't recall that part of the story.

The guys who brought down PSN and compromised all of those peoples info? Burn em' at the stake for all I care.

The user information was the target, end of story.

[Chewie]

The user information was the target, end of story.

The guy they are suing for hacking the PS3 is the same guy who jailbroke the iPhone. User information was not the target in either case. Again, unless there's more to the story that I haven't read, fill me in. Otherwise, you're on the wrong page about the origin of what's going on.

In fact here and here.

Everything here is speculation and a lot of online talk but: after Sony filed the lawsuit, the hacking group Anonymous told Sony to drop it or they would be sorry. Apparently Anon had already brought down PSN once before for a few hours citing that "hey, we can do it, don't ever go to a pay service like XBL or else" after Sony announced they might be doing so.

Sony pretty much laughed in their faces and went on their merry way.

This is what I was originally referring to when I said they should have listened. They can do whatever they want, it's their hardware, the problem is that they seem to have taken no extra measures to ensure their customers would be safe with a pretty valid threat sitting on the horizon. So, in essence, as far as I'm concerned, Sony deserved it. When the lawsuits start coming out of the woodwork, I'm sure they'll think twice about feeling so invincible in the future.

Edited April 29, 2011 by Chewie

[treatment]

just saw this:

[Keith]

The guy they are suing for hacking the PS3 is the same guy who jailbroke the iPhone. User information was not the target in either case. Again, unless there's more to the story that I haven't read, fill me in. Otherwise, you're on the wrong page about the origin of what's going on.

In fact here and here.

Everything here is speculation and a lot of online talk but: after Sony filed the lawsuit, the hacking group Anonymous told Sony to drop it or they would be sorry. Apparently Anon had already brought down PSN once before for a few hours citing that "hey, we can do it, don't ever go to a pay service like XBL or else" after Sony announced they might be doing so.

Sony pretty much laughed in their faces and went on their merry way.

This is what I was originally referring to when I said they should have listened. They can do whatever they want, it's their hardware, the problem is that they seem to have taken no extra measures to ensure their customers would be safe with a pretty valid threat sitting on the horizon. So, in essence, as far as I'm concerned, Sony deserved it. When the lawsuits start coming out of the woodwork, I'm sure they'll think twice about feeling so invincible in the future.

Again, whoever hacked the PSN could have targeted just about anything. They could have deleted the whole thing, they could disrupted it in several ways, etc. But specifically going after user info = the intent to sell it for profit/identity theft, etc. An attack on that info isn't an attack on Sony, it's an attack on users of the service plain & simple. You can dance around the issue all you want, but it's not an argument you're going to win.

[TheLoneWolf]

Just to clarify, Sony has settled with George Hotz ("Geohot"). As part of that settlement, Hotz has agreed to avoid accessing all Sony products and software. The only other publically known PS3 hacker that Sony's taken legal action against is a German named Alexander Egonrenkov ("graf_chokolo"). Egonrenkov is working to restore the Other OS functionality to the PS3 and argues that he isn't doing anything malicious. Neither Hotz nor Egonrenkov have any reason to hack PSN and actually stand to lose everything by doing so.

[shiroikaze]

Hmm, Gmail just alerted me that my email was accessed from China on April 26 and 27... Could be related to the PSN intrusion, but my password on PSN is different from my email though...

Edited April 29, 2011 by shiroikaze

[Duke Togo]

An attack on that info isn't an attack on Sony, it's an attack on users of the service plain & simple.

QFT

[eugimon]

Hmm, Gmail just alerted me that my email was accessed from China on April 26 and 27... Could be related to the PSN intrusion, but my password on PSN is different from my email though...

Well, well, well... looks like we all know who the anti-chinese government sympathizer on this board is...

[Phyrox]

Just a head's up, my personal + bank card info was used to make a clone card which someone tried to use yesterday. Could be a coincidence of course...I suppose.

But I hope whoever hacked the PS user data gets burned. If you don't like sony, that's one thing. Screwing the 70million users? Not cool.