Seto Kaiba Posted May 14, 2010 Posted May 14, 2010 (edited) It seems we're not getting colored battroids for the VTs. Pity. Do we ever even see either of those in battroid mode in the animation? I don't recall seeing it, but it's been a while since I last watched DYRL. If we don't, then that's probably why only the fighter and GERWALK modes are colored. Edited May 14, 2010 by Seto Kaiba Quote
sketchley Posted May 14, 2010 Posted May 14, 2010 Do we ever even see either of those in battroid mode in the animation? I don't recall seeing it, but it's been a while since I last watched DYRL. If we don't, then that's probably why only the fighter and GERWALK modes are colored. We never see it in battroid mode. Which is why the design was never "finished" (or maybe that should be "polished"?) Quote
Mr March Posted May 14, 2010 Posted May 14, 2010 Enh. We've got Mr. March for that. I resemble that remark! Preview attached of the material for the next update... Quote
Gubaba Posted May 17, 2010 Posted May 17, 2010 Safe prediction: If issue 50 has any splash page at all, it'll be either the VF-2JA or the Monster Mk. I. Quote
nexxstrait Posted May 17, 2010 Author Posted May 17, 2010 Safe prediction: If issue 50 has any splash page at all, it'll be either the VF-2JA or the Monster Mk. I. Oh, I really hope it's a 2JA (Battroid) double-page, then. To be honest, since #50 should be "packed" with stuff, I really hope it will have some extra pages (that is, more than 32 pages) to make Chronicle end in style. Quote
Seto Kaiba Posted May 17, 2010 Posted May 17, 2010 Oh, I really hope it's a 2JA (Battroid) double-page, then. To be honest, since #50 should be "packed" with stuff, I really hope it will have some extra pages (that is, more than 32 pages) to make Chronicle end in style. We'll see... though unless there's some mysterious gold mine of art and information that I've somehow missed, I'm gonna go ahead and say the space would probably be better spent on the Monster Mk.I. You could fit every piece of hard data we have on the VF-2JA onto a notecard, and there's just not enough art to actually warrant a four-page spread unless they decide to do the transformation on the back of the fourth side. Quote
nexxstrait Posted May 18, 2010 Author Posted May 18, 2010 (edited) We'll see... though unless there's some mysterious gold mine of art and information that I've somehow missed, I'm gonna go ahead and say the space would probably be better spent on the Monster Mk.I. You could fit every piece of hard data we have on the VF-2JA onto a notecard, and there's just not enough art to actually warrant a four-page spread unless they decide to do the transformation on the back of the fourth side. I don't know about the data, but there is enough lineart to fill the splash page (fighter, gerwalk, battroid with/without missile packs on the back). Throw in a juicy extra report (dreaming: VF1R?) et voilà, you have you Nice 2JA double page. Besides, is there enough material on Mac I to cover even a single sheet? Edited May 18, 2010 by nexxstrait Quote
sketchley Posted May 18, 2010 Posted May 18, 2010 Besides, is there enough material on Mac I to cover even a single sheet? This is a good point. As cool as it would be, I don't think there's enough information, let alone art, available. The VF-2JA makes more sense to me, too. Quote
nexxstrait Posted May 26, 2010 Author Posted May 26, 2010 (edited) Issue #50 preview is out Azrael will love the cover... * ■テクノロジーシート ・バリアブルファイター／VF系統図 ・マクロス級と後継艦 * ■メカニックシート ・HWR-00-MkⅠP モンスター ・SDF-1 マクロス ・Az-130A パンツァーゾルン ・VF-25S メサイア ・VF-2JA イカロス ・メルトランディ軍艦艇 * ■タイムラインシート ・プロトカルチャー史と人類の歩み * ■キャラクターシート ・リン・ミンメイ ・ブルーノ・J・グローバル * ■ヒストリーシート ・リン・ミンメイ作戦 * ■ワールドガイドシート ・プロトカルチャー * ■エクストラシート ・マクロス・シリーズの軌跡 No Macross II history sheet, from what I get (but someone with better translation skills could prove me wrong. I rely on google...) Having seen the image below I guess we won't be getting the VFX Raven pilots sheet after all. Pity (no color Stampede either. Grrr...). Edited May 26, 2010 by nexxstrait Quote
Seto Kaiba Posted May 26, 2010 Posted May 26, 2010 Huh... looks like an interesting issue after all... Technology sheets for "Variable Fighter Genealogy", and "Macross-class ships and successors". Mechanic sheets for Mk.I Monster destroid, SDF-1 Macross (DYRL?), Az-130A, VF-25S, VF-2JA, and Meltrandi military vessels. A timeline sheet called "Milestones in the history of mankind", character sheets for Minmay and Global, an Operation Minmay history sheet (M2?!), and a Protoculture worldguide... Quote
nexxstrait Posted May 26, 2010 Author Posted May 26, 2010 Operation Minmay history sheet (M2?!) Ohh, maybe I was wrong then. It MUST be the MII history sheet. Horayy! Quote
Gubaba Posted May 26, 2010 Posted May 26, 2010 Ohh, maybe I was wrong then. It MUST be the MII history sheet. Horayy! I seriously doubt it. The SDFM History sheet #15 is Max and Milia's wedding. #16 is so far absent. And #17 is the capture of the factory satellite. As much as you like Macross II, would you really Chronicle to skip the truly climactic battle of SDFM...? Oh, and in Macross: A Future Chronicle, the big battle against Bodolzaa is called "the Lynn Minmay Operation." It's not solely a Macross II term. Quote
nexxstrait Posted May 26, 2010 Author Posted May 26, 2010 I seriously doubt it. The SDFM History sheet #15 is Max and Milia's wedding. #16 is so far absent. And #17 is the capture of the factory satellite. As much as you like Macross II, would you really Chronicle to skip the truly climactic battle of SDFM...? Oh, and in Macross: A Future Chronicle, the big battle against Bodolzaa is called "the Lynn Minmay Operation." It's not solely a Macross II term. Damn! You're so cruel... Quote
Mr March Posted May 26, 2010 Posted May 26, 2010 Well, the big 50. It's been a long road. It's nice the Chronicle has emphasized the same mecha that I emphasized on my own website (for the most part) and hasn't expanded coverage of any obscure vehicles that really didn't warrant it. Makes building material for my site a lot easier and lets me know I'm on the same page as the official franchise builders of Macross. There does seem to be lots of "Extra" sheets coming out in these later issues. Guess the MC wasn't planned all that meticulously or maybe the extra sheets were planned as "overflow" all along (perhaps to entice fans to get those last few issues "packed with goodies"). At any rate, I can't think of anything the Macross Chronicle has missed that I was hoping they'd cover. They've gone through most of the major stuff, even going so far as to color several vehicles I wouldn't touch for lack of reference AND provide statistics for a lot of mecha I never suspected would get any love (VF-9, VF-14, etc). Overall, I'd call the series a big win in my books. Quote
sketchley Posted May 26, 2010 Posted May 26, 2010 Issue #50 preview is out Technology: Variable Fighter / VF lineage figure Macross Class and successor warships Mechanic HWR-00-Mk I p Monster SDF-1 Macross Az-130a Pantsuazorun VF-25s Messiah VF-2JA Icarus Meltorandi Forces Military Vessels Timeline Protoculture History and Mankind's Progress Character Sheet Rin Minmei Burunoo J. Guroobaru History Sheet Rin Minmei Operation Worldguide Protoculture Extra Sheet Tracks of the Macross Series Quote
sketchley Posted May 26, 2010 Posted May 26, 2010 Having seen the image below I guess we won't be getting the VFX Raven pilots sheet after all. Pity (no color Stampede either. Grrr...). Shame on the lack of VF-X Raven's pilots. Nevertheless, B&W is better than nothing when it comes to those Advance Valkyrie designs. Quote
sketchley Posted May 26, 2010 Posted May 26, 2010 There does seem to be lots of "Extra" sheets coming out in these later issues. It's a category consistant with other similar publications. It's not so much for overflow, but for stuff that doesn't fit into any of the other catagories. In MC's case, it also appears to be for content that isn't part of any of the animated releases. Quote
azrael Posted May 26, 2010 Posted May 26, 2010 *looks at cover* At least the contents make up for the cover... Quote
sketchley Posted May 27, 2010 Posted May 27, 2010 Contents review #49 Front cover: English "1 ISSUE TO GO". Japanese "after 1 issue until the completion of this magazine" Mechanic: M7 Baroota: 01c: Fz-109 Erugaazorun. Gun pods, hand, ejectible cockpit, and transformation. M7 Baroota: 04b: Baroota Fleet: Gigiru's warship, standard battleship, high speed rading, Battroid large carrier, frigate. Some stats (though a lot more "under investigation" than I'd like), and some focusing on the weapons and catapults. 7Movie etc 01a: Kwadoran Kiruka Holy everything but the standard armaments is "under investigation!" (Though the user gets an honourable mention: "-".) Reverse has bits on how the cockpit opens and armaments (missile line art, too). DYRL UNS 04a: VT-1/VE-1 One data block for both. The VT-1 takes up 7/8 of the reverse! VE-1 doesn't get much coverage, but that's not surprising, as there's not that much data, let alone line art for it in the first place! The cockpit seating of the VT-1 in battroid mode is a nice touch (not sure if it's been published in the Gold Book, or elsewhere. First time I noticed it). DYRL Cit 01a: Civilian vehicles: (sports) car, mini-car, open sports car, random vehicles. Interesting, but sadly no line art on the grabbling hooks the cars have to prevent them from floating away when gravity gets cut... Characters: 7 Movie: cit 01a Emiria Jiinasu. Reverse has her fishbowl and guitar. D7 UNS 01a: Gamurin Kakizaki about 1/3 of the reverse is on his "new beloved craft", the VF-22S! Timeline MII 01: the... whole... OVA... series... one... page... !!!!!one!eleven! Extra reports on "Operation Minmei" and "the construction of Mardook society" History SDFM 18a: Macross City (offense and defense) battle. Extra reports on "Macross City after that" and "Earth and the Zentraadi" Worldguide: 02a: Anti-UN Alliance. Interesting. Bits on the history, people, and equipment (obviously M0 and SDFM only), as well as Anti-UN Alliance incidents (Birdman Incident, South Ataria Island Defensive battle, Bombing of the Grand Cannon II, and the destruction of the fleet returning from Mars). Extra reports on "The postwar influence/power of the anti-unification (UN) government" (with picts from the tail end of SDFM AND the Macross Galaxy fleet's mainland 1!) and "the military enterprises of the anti-UN alliance series" (that's series of equipment). 08b: Vajra "Fold quartz and the Vajra Network". Front has pict of vajra in tube from first quarter of MF, and re3verse is about their network and lifecycle (in short: egg -> ai-kun -> small Vajra etc.) Extra reports on "alien lifeforms other than the Vajra" (Galactic whale, Saurobird, protodevlin) and "the song of the Vajra". Technology: 13a: Unmanned Craft (aka: Ghosts, Ghosts, and more Ghosts). Reverse has a wicked cool bird's eye view of the AIF-7S (finally getting some clarity on the shape of the Ghost's lifting body!), as well as the ghost series (ghost of the UN War period, Ghost of the SWI period, and Ghosts after the 2040's); as well as the points of difference with a VF (unmanned, doesn't transform, multi-purose, excellent cost-performance). Extra report on "VFs that have systems to control the unmanned craft" (VF-171, VF-171EX Aegis Pack, RVF-25) Glossary #27. Noteable content: Ravens (as in VF-X), Roi Fokka x2! FTW!!, Captain Robert (M0. He had a name?!), (Destroid) Works, YF-19/21/24 Evolution (what? no YF-24?), Planet Eden/Zola/Rakusu, "My Boyfriend's a pilot", and of course, Rori Doseru and Warera Nantesu! Gooods Sheet #07 Games A lot. Sasdly, there's an all too brief, with individual images that are too small wicked cool photo montage from the featured games. (SDFM DYRL still has the best screen cuts!) Anyhow, featured games: PC Engine: SDFM Macross (1992) Game Boy Colour: Macross 7 (2000) Wanda Swan (?!) SDFM Macross (2000) PS1: SDFM DYRL (1999, also for sega saturn 1997), Macross Digital Mission VF-X (1997), Macross VF-X2 (1999), Macross Plus -Game Edition- (2000) Dreamcast: Macross M3 (2001) PS2: SDFM (2003) PSP: Macross Ace Frontier (2008), Macross Ultimate Frontier (2009) Each one has a brief synopsis. Extra report on "Macross games for the PC": Macross since 1983 (1998), Macross V0 (2001), SDFM Typing Valkyrie (2002) Extra sheet: G&AV 8: VF-X-7 Ghost Valkyrie, VF-X-11, VA-X-3, V-BR-2, Stampede Valkrie. All are listed as being from "Advanced Valkyrie". Extra report on "Other Valkyries". Featuring the Armoured Gerwalk, and mentioning the VF-X-4 gerwalk that appeared in an anime magazine's "Macross Times" section, and there are many variations that exist for (computer) games. #50 preview images: DYRL Rin Minmei DYRL VF-1S SDFM Captain Guroobaru M0 HWR-00-Mk-I Monster and the text "concluded at last in the next issue" Quote
sketchley Posted May 27, 2010 Posted May 27, 2010 Revised predictions from #49 Mechanic: M0 - UN 05 Ship-Borne aircraft - transport helicopters, refuelling craft, F-14A+ if we're lucky. _________________________________________________ SDFM - UN 01d SDF-1 ship systems (fold drive, gravity control, PPB control, etc.) I wonder if we'll ever see the VEFR-1/VF-1G and the magic hands... _________________________________________________ M7 - UN 11 ??? Destroids? Zentraadi <- not coming??? 01 Quadlunn-Rau 02 Meltraandi Fleet Varoota 01c transformation <- called it 02 Az-130 (maybe a B sheet, with transformation) 04b Varoota fleet: remaining 5 ships <- called it _________________________________________________ M7 Movie Queadlunn-Kirutera[b] <- Missed![/b] _________________________________________________ MF - Etc 02b (Macross Galaxy) Mainland 04 Macross Galaxy Fleet (Deneb Class, Darfim) _________________________________________________ DYRL - UN 04a VT-1 and VE-1 <- called it Meltrandi 03b Meltrandi fleet (rest of the ships) Civilian 01a vehicles <--- missed _________________________________________________ MII - UN 02a VF-2JA Icarus _________________________________________________ Extra Sheet Game and Advanced Valkyrie 8 <--- missed _________________________________________________ History - M0 SDFM 16 Rin Minmei Operation 18 Macross City Battle <--- missed M7 04b remaining Protodevlin MII 01 MII entire history _________________________________________________ Tech 03c I've been left with a feeling that there is more to say on Emigrant ships. Especially about Mainland 1. 13 Unmanned Craft <--- missed 16 Varoota equipment/weapons 17 Protoculture equipment/weapons _________________________________________________ Worldguide 02a Anti-UN Alliance <--- missed 03a ??? 08b Vajra <--- missed 28 South Ataria Island 30 Varoota War Quote
Seto Kaiba Posted May 27, 2010 Posted May 27, 2010 7Movie etc 01a: Kwadoran Kiruka Holy everything but the standard armaments is "under investigation!" (Though the user gets an honourable mention: "-".) Reverse has bits on how the cockpit opens and armaments (missile line art, too). Does that thing even HAVE armaments? I mean, it's basically the Meltrandi equivalent of Basara's VF-19 Kai. Emilia probably replaced the forearm guns with some theatrical glitter dispensers or something. MII 01: the... whole... OVA... series... one... page... !!!!!one!eleven! Extra reports on "Operation Minmei" and "the construction of Mardook society" Okay, I know I'm probably going to regret asking this later... what year(s) does the timeline sheet allege the events of the Macross II OVA took place in? If they really did their research this time, it should be 2092. Extra report on "VFs that have systems to control the unmanned craft" (VF-171, VF-171EX Aegis Pack, RVF-25) What, no mention of the VF-2SS? Now that's a damn shame, since the VF-2SS was the first VF in Macross to have that ability... PC Engine: SDFM Macross (1992) Wanda Swan (?!) SDFM Macross (2000) Damn... no mention of Macross 2036 or Macross: Eternal Love Song? Weird that they'd remember the Wonderswan games though. Quote
sketchley Posted May 28, 2010 Posted May 28, 2010 Does that thing even HAVE armaments? I mean, it's basically the Meltrandi equivalent of Basara's VF-19 Kai. Emilia probably replaced the forearm guns with some theatrical glitter dispensers or something. Haven't looked that closely at it, have we. It's got more weapons than a Kwadoran-Rau. Okay, I know I'm probably going to regret asking this later... what year(s) does the timeline sheet allege the events of the Macross II OVA took place in? If they really did their research this time, it should be 2092. Starts in 2091, and ends in... 2091. Intro paragraph at the top also says "takes place 80 years after the alliance between Earthers and Zentraadi". What, no mention of the VF-2SS? So far MC has been pretty consistant in focusing only on technology from the Studio Nue line... Quote
sketchley Posted May 28, 2010 Posted May 28, 2010 Before I forget: the section on the Stampede Valkyrie mentions that it has similar packs to (or packs that inspired the packs on) the VF-25 Tornado Packs! Quote
Seto Kaiba Posted May 28, 2010 Posted May 28, 2010 Starts in 2091, and ends in... 2091. Intro paragraph at the top also says "takes place 80 years after the alliance between Earthers and Zentraadi". Oh ho... I see what they did there... Of all the Macross shows, Macross II is the one that draws most heavily on its Gundam roots, and its lead mechanical designer was fresh from his work on the Char's Counterattack movie when he started working on it... so this appears to be an extremely unsubtle Gundam reference. Under that silly "New Era" calendar they had for a while and then ignored, 2091 corresponds to year 0079 of the New Era. The original/correct date of 2092 was a reference to its status as an anniversary OVA. It was for the 10th anniversary, and was set 100 (10^2) years in the future (from the modern day), making it 2092. The last Zentradi attack that the U.N. defeated was ten years ago, in 2082 (2082 - 100 = 1982, the year SDF:M TV aired). So far MC has been pretty consistant in focusing only on technology from the Studio Nue line... I know, I know (Just teasing about how stuff from Macross II keeps cropping up as though it was new and original material in later Macross shows) Quote
Seto Kaiba Posted May 28, 2010 Posted May 28, 2010 Before I forget: the section on the Stampede Valkyrie mentions that it has similar packs to (or packs that inspired the packs on) the VF-25 Tornado Packs! Isn't that old news? I remember seeing some of Kawamori's early sketches of the VF-25 Armored Packs where they said it was inspired by the Stampede Valkyrie. The Tornado Packs look more like a mix of design aesthetics from the Valkyrie II's Super Armed Pack and the VF-0's Ghost Booster. Quote
sketchley Posted May 28, 2010 Posted May 28, 2010 The Valkyrie II's SAP pack connection appears to be just an (English) 'net rumour. Quote
DestroidDefender Posted June 1, 2010 Posted June 1, 2010 My Japanese Import books store has gone out of business so I'm kind of screwed. Any suggestion on how I can source issues 46 through 50? Quote
Mr March Posted June 1, 2010 Posted June 1, 2010 I suggest HMV Japan. They have an optional English format on their site, their prices are comparable and their merchandise is packaged properly for overseas shipping. I've ordered from HMV Japan many times and never had a bad experience. HMV Japan Hope that helps. Quote
Graham Posted June 1, 2010 Posted June 1, 2010 I second HMV Japan and have also used them many times. You can select English to navigate their site. Amazon Japan is also another good choice as well. Again, you can select English to navigate their site. Graham Quote
Renato Posted June 4, 2010 Posted June 4, 2010 Okay, I know I'm probably going to regret asking this later... what year(s) does the timeline sheet allege the events of the Macross II OVA took place in? If they really did their research this time, it should be 2092. 2091. Damn... no mention of Macross 2036 or Macross: Eternal Love Song? Weird that they'd remember the Wonderswan games though. Actually, the PC Engine one featured is "Eternal Love Song". However, I too found it odd that Macross 2036 was conspicuously absent while the Wonderswan piece of boredom was there. Quote
Seto Kaiba Posted June 4, 2010 Posted June 4, 2010 2091. Yeah, I know... sketchley already told me about it. It looks like they were unable to decide which year was the correct one, and decided to split the difference between the date derived from a literal application of "80 years later" (2090) and the date that the OVA's creators supplied via the official timeline made to connect DYRL, M2036, and M:ELS (2092). It's just another strange goof, like what they accidentally did (and then tried rationalizing) with the VF-19's thrust ratings. Actually, the PC Engine one featured is "Eternal Love Song". However, I too found it odd that Macross 2036 was conspicuously absent while the Wonderswan piece of boredom was there. Really? That's bizarre... I wish they'd managed to do a Game and Advanced Valkyrie sheet for the VF-1 Attack Valkyrie and VF-4 Siren. Oh well... Quote
Strumvogel Posted June 4, 2010 Posted June 4, 2010 I second HMV Japan and have also used them many times. You can select English to navigate their site. Amazon Japan is also another good choice as well. Again, you can select English to navigate their site. Graham A point of note: With HMV Japan they only ship using EMS, they don't really have a SAL option for their books and magazines, so keep that in mind if you're keeping an eye on the costs. I personally don't mind since I get them in bulk from them, tracked and insured. Quote
MacrossCN Posted June 5, 2010 Posted June 5, 2010 (edited) We will update Official Macross Timeline!!! No.50 6月10日 定価：690円（税込） 最終号 さらに、タイムラインシートでは、「プロトカルチャー史と人類の歩み」と題し、 プロトカルチャーの時代からマクロスFの時代に至る、壮大な年表を掲載します！ Edited June 5, 2010 by kresphy Quote
Graham Posted June 10, 2010 Posted June 10, 2010 Nobody got #50 yet? It's out today. Really curious if the VF-2JA gets a Tenjin painting or not. Graham Quote
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