Aircraft Vs Super Thread VI

[VF-19]

Went to my first airshow... EVER! Today. Had a blast, and took about... Well, many, many pictures. Here's some of them.

I was pretty close to the F-86 as they started it up... It was... loud.

[buddhafabio]

those were pretty good

[VF-19]

those were pretty good

Thanks. I pretty much set my camera on "machine-gun" mode, and hoped for the best (and ISO 400, to keep the shutter speed up). Lots of crappy shots...

[Nied]

A-12 Blackbirds very classified (until now) first flight. In HD even!

It really looks badass in that completely bare titanium finish.

Edited July 8, 2010 by Nied

[VF-19]

Couple more shots from the airshow of the Snowbirds.

[Nied]

It's been a rather busy weekend in aviation news. Boeing began testing the F-15 Silent Eagle, proposals were submitted to the new, we really mean it this time, final KC-X competition including new shoe in winner Antonov's, and China's new naval fighter was caught on stills and video during flight testing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=trYUWQvKees

Don't let the fact that it looks identical to an Su-33 with new missile rails added to the wingtips fool you. As the caption says it is NOT based on the Su-33, it is a semi stealth strike fighter! Who are you going to believe, the People's Republic Ministry of Culture or yer lying eyes?

[CF18]

The ghost v0 is here!

first ever autonomous, stealth Unmanned Combat Air Vehicle (UCAV)

http://www.mod.uk/DefenceInternet/DefenceNews/EquipmentAndLogistics/NewTaranisCombatAircraftThundersIntoView.htm

[Shin Densetsu Kai 7.0]

It's been a rather busy weekend in aviation news. Boeing began testing the F-15 Silent Eagle, proposals were submitted to the new, we really mean it this time, final KC-X competition*snip*

Don't let the fact that it looks identical to an Su-33 with new missile rails added to the wingtips fool you. As the caption says it is NOT based on the Su-33, it is a semi stealth strike fighter! Who are you going to believe, the People's Republic Ministry of Culture or yer lying eyes?

The data on that video is inaccurate, that fighter is clearly a MIG-28 doing a negative 4G pushover.

[Nied]

The data on that video is inaccurate, that fighter is clearly a MIG-28 doing a negative 4G pushover.

Do you deny the engineering prowess of the People's Republic? It's clearly a J-28 doing a negative 5g pushover.

[Graham]

It's been a rather busy weekend in aviation news. Boeing began testing the F-15 Silent Eagle,

Reading the article, seems it's a wee bit incorrect to say they began testing the Silent Eagle. Seems like all they were testing was a modified Conformal Fuel Tank with a weapons trapeze mounted on an F-15E.

Graham

[David Hingtgen]

That is the main aspect of the SE program. Canted fins and avionics upgrades will come in the future, if at all---they are currently merely "proposed upgrades/options" for the basic SE version.

[Chewie]

How would one go about choosing to fly on an a380? I read an article saying people were picking the plane specifically. Can you do that with an airline?

[Nied]

How would one go about choosing to fly on an a380? I read an article saying people were picking the plane specifically. Can you do that with an airline?

Well you're fortunate to be near an airport that (last I heard) operates the A380, I know at least they tested one during fleet week a couple of years ago. I haven't seen any airline that lets you pick the type of plane you want to fly in, but almost all tell you what kind of aircraft a particular flight is before you make your reservations. You will be somewhat limited in your destinations though as right now only Air France, Emirates, Lufthansa, Qantas, and Singapore Airlines fly it.

[F-ZeroOne]

The ghost v0 is here!

http://www.mod.uk/DefenceInternet/DefenceNews/EquipmentAndLogistics/NewTaranisCombatAircraftThundersIntoView.htm

"What are your primary objectives, Taranis?"

"To kick the arse of Her Majesty's enemies and drink tea. And I am all out of tea."

[Ghost Train]

The ghost v0 is here!

http://www.mod.uk/DefenceInternet/DefenceNews/EquipmentAndLogistics/NewTaranisCombatAircraftThundersIntoView.htm

I've said it before and I'll restate. Soon war will just be one big videogame. News coverage of these conflicts will occur via G4, SpikeTV, or whatever you local nerd interest cable network is, gone are the CNN's, NBC's, and Fox's.

We can also have an annual PvP tournament called "The World War" complete with pre-fight commentary from gaming nerds on each nation's drone arsenal.

ESPN e-Sports Center

Commentator #1: That's right Steve. Today is the big one. Israel vs Iran. The Hebrew boys are a bit lighter on DPS this time focusing more on tank and survivability. In addition, the Drones lower slots have been outfitted with CHR+10 fits to boost global public opinion. Will this unusual move help the Israelis?

Commentator #2: It is certainly an unusual move, but the Israelis have lots of experience in PVP, and are most successful employing unconventional tactics. They will have to watch out for the Persians #22, Ahmeninajahd, who is also using a CHR build to push his BS.

Commentator #1: This will certainly be an interesting match! Remember, the winner of this fight will take on the undisputed e-war champion, South Korea next week in the semi-finals. Paul the Psychic Octopus has given this one to the Israelis... we will see if his prediction is right. Remember to stick to the end of the game when the Budweisser armchair general will be announced.

[Bri]

I've said it before and I'll restate. Soon war will just be one big videogame. News coverage of these conflicts will occur via G4, SpikeTV, or whatever you local nerd interest cable network is, gone are the CNN's, NBC's, and Fox's.

We can also have an annual PvP tournament called "The World War" complete with pre-fight commentary from gaming nerds on each nation's drone arsenal.

We already got the World Cup for that

In flight close up of the air forces' demo bird escorting the World Cup team home

[David Hingtgen]

I've spent most of my life picking routes/airlines by the planes you get. Currently, the best way to check planes IMHO is Orbitz.com. (I miss Sabre/easysabre--never had access to Apollo)

As airlines change their website every day, it's hard to suggest/know how they are at the moment--but typically, requesting a schedule just lists all the TIMES, but never the plane. You usually have to "select this flight" then "click for details" then click yet again for "more details"--THEN it'll usually say what type of plane. Takes forever. Some airlines will display the type of plane right in the "basic" results, but as I said--airlines constantly change their websites. Thus, I use Orbitz, as it will show all the airlines, with the exact type of plane.

Now, if you're looking for a specific plane (and not what planes are on a specific route), try to find the PDF of an airline's schedule---they almost all still have them, even if a printed timetable no longer exists. This is the best way to find out what routes a specific type is on.

Finally---if you want an A380, you can ignore most all of that, as there's very few in service and they only fly a few routes, and most of those don't go to the USA. Currently:

Qantas, Melbourne-Los Angeles, Sydney-Los Angeles.

Air France, Paris-New York.

[Nied]

I've spent most of my life picking routes/airlines by the planes you get. Currently, the best way to check planes IMHO is Orbitz.com. (I miss Sabre/easysabre--never had access to Apollo)

As airlines change their website every day, it's hard to suggest/know how they are at the moment--but typically, requesting a schedule just lists all the TIMES, but never the plane. You usually have to "select this flight" then "click for details" then click yet again for "more details"--THEN it'll usually say what type of plane. Takes forever. Some airlines will display the type of plane right in the "basic" results, but as I said--airlines constantly change their websites. Thus, I use Orbitz, as it will show all the airlines, with the exact type of plane.

Now, if you're looking for a specific plane (and not what planes are on a specific route), try to find the PDF of an airline's schedule---they almost all still have them, even if a printed timetable no longer exists. This is the best way to find out what routes a specific type is on.

Finally---if you want an A380, you can ignore most all of that, as there's very few in service and they only fly a few routes, and most of those don't go to the USA. Currently:

Qantas, Melbourne-Los Angeles, Sydney-Los Angeles.

Air France, Paris-New York.

Added to that SAL runs flights to Melbourne that depart SFO in a 777 and have you change to an A380 in Singapore. So basically it looks like you'll want to fly to Australia, and not mind changing planes.

[David Hingtgen]

I was only listing A380's that actually touch American soil. If you're willing to go to Dubai, there's a LOT of flights there, far more than Australia offers.

[Ghost Train]

We already got the World Cup for that

In flight close up of the air forces' demo bird escorting the World Cup team home

Holy frack... that's a beautifully painted bird. It looks so new too! Lol, if I were on the French national team flight home I would decline the Mirage-2000 escort offer (yes, Rafales too)

[electric indigo]

Holy frack... that's a beautifully painted bird. It looks so new too! Lol, if I were on the French national team flight home I would decline the Mirage-2000 escort offer (yes, Rafales too)

Actually, I think the French national team wished they had a stealth transport at their disposal.

[electric indigo]

Enthusiasts who want to replicate the Orange Lion scheme on their model kit find detailed information on the Dutch solo team's website

http://www.f16demoteam.nl/F16/control.php?&topgroupname=Downloads

I also like the "Sound Barrier" version.

[David Hingtgen]

How long have the Typhoons been doing the "fully loaded demo" thing?

[Vepariga]

as soon as i saw the Taranis, the Ghost immediately entered my head along with the VF-171.

Certainly is a piece of equipment worth keeping an eye on,i love it tho lol.

[RFT]

How long have the Typhoons been doing the "fully loaded demo" thing?

Not sure. I think it was new for the farnborough show. I was at the cosford show last month and it was a clean demo.

if you think about it, it makes a lot more sense for the farnborough demo to have weapons loaded as it's a sales pitch, not a crowd pleaser like a normal show.

Edited July 20, 2010 by RFT

[badboy00z]

That UCAV is UGLY. Lol

[Nied]

I find this far more intriguing than the Silent Eagle. Also in other news Airbus has released art of it's new Sonic Cruiser Airbus Concept Plane.

[F-ZeroOne]

How long have the Typhoons been doing the "fully loaded demo" thing?

As RFT has mentioned, my understanding from other forums is that its new for Farnborough.

[Shin Densetsu Kai 7.0]

I find this far more intriguing than the Silent Eagle. Also in other news Airbus has released art of it's new Sonic Cruiser Airbus Concept Plane.

Interesting, the Super Bug w/CFT's looks cool. Not as bloated as the F-16E/Block 60's. Wouldn't be surprised if Boeing ends up getting rid of the pod in later blocks and just makes CFT's on the sides of the fuselage, with internal weapons.

[Knight26]

Must see more pictures of this stealth weapons pod, I've been doodling stealth sidewinder pods for years, some of which were "borrowed" by a friend of mine from Raytheon. Mine were strictly one and two winder pods, but still, I want to see how close this is to my ideas.

[Nied]

Must see more pictures of this stealth weapons pod, I've been doodling stealth sidewinder pods for years, some of which were "borrowed" by a friend of mine from Raytheon. Mine were strictly one and two winder pods, but still, I want to see how close this is to my ideas.

I would love an underside shot of this for the same reason. Also it looks like there's a housing for an EOTS like sensor under the nose. Combine that with what looks like apertures for an EO/DAS like system in that triangular bump on the spine, and it looks like Boeing is going after the F-35 market hard.

[Shin Densetsu Kai 7.0]

I would love an underside shot of this for the same reason. Also it looks like there's a housing for an EOTS like sensor under the nose. Combine that with what looks like apertures for an EO/DAS like system in that triangular bump on the spine, and it looks like Boeing is going after the F-35 market hard.

It will be interesting if the Super Bug will eventually get EOTS. Wonder which will be the more effective striker afterwards, future block Super Bug, or the F-35C? It's the battle of jack of all trades fighters.

[Vepariga]

that new airbus concept rocks hard. I wonder if the actual aircraft will be made from mainly plastic materials like the Dreamliner.

Edited July 20, 2010 by Vepariga

[David Hingtgen]

Erm, it won't be made at all. It is a concept in the truest sense of the word. They're probably not even going to ASK the airlines about it, it's that far-off/out there.

A big issue that airliners have to deal with, that military planes don't have to so much:

Existing infrastructure. You can't make anything "too" out of the norm, shape-wise---otherwise, airports can't take it. Baggage/cargo loaders won't work, jetways can't hook up, won't fit next to other planes at the gate, etc.

Also, passenger evacuation is always an issue with anything alongside the fuselage, like buried engines or a split tail.

[Vepariga]

err,yeah i should have worded that better lol, i meant that the concept art was cool looking, but the actual aircraft will be completely different if made. I just liked the look of the concept,I know that design wasnt going to be in the works.

buried engines like that also half the lower cargo hold/baggage space that would be needed,and probably also cause more maintenance issues from vibration and such.

Edited July 21, 2010 by Vepariga