klvru Posted March 22, 2010 Share Posted March 22, 2010 this just came across my mind, why din't yamato or bandai make any vajra, LOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueMax Posted March 22, 2010 Share Posted March 22, 2010 1st. Yamato doesn't have the Macross Frontier license, and not like to have it anytime in the near future. 2nd. Why not Bandai? Though they have the license, but I think the general situation is that enemy mechas don't normally sell well, thus manufacturers only produce "Hero" units most of the time, and from a mold milking point of view, they can't really milk the mold since there are no distinguished (red) Vajras . Even if bandai does decide to make them, it probably will be in a super small scale and gashapon type. Of ocurse i'll be all over it if they decide to make one in 1/50, but I just don't see that happening Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jediwalker Posted March 22, 2010 Share Posted March 22, 2010 They have one in Macross Quarter... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueMax Posted March 22, 2010 Share Posted March 22, 2010 They have one in Macross Quarter... Well, that fulfils the super small scale part Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jenius Posted March 22, 2010 Share Posted March 22, 2010 You don't own a real toy of a Regult or a Glaug yet and I would think those would be more popular than Vajra. Bandai did have plans for a Vajra model at one point though and all the models so far have become toys so who knows, maybe there's an outside chance. I wouldn't really bank on it though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VF5SS Posted March 22, 2010 Share Posted March 22, 2010 nobody buys secondary mecha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
logos Posted March 22, 2010 Share Posted March 22, 2010 (edited) I don't know about that. Bandai makes Zaku and Flags so there must be some market for enemy mecha. Not as big as a market grant you. I admit though that while I would buy a Glaug and Regault, if they made them, but not in the quantities that I buy VFs. 1/100 Robotech battle pods are one thing when they cost under $30 but we are talking what would probably be a $150+ toy. At that price I don't think Yamato or Bandai can sell enough to make a profit. QueRau's probably a good example too for proof as to why they don't sell. That being said I do have one. Also I would tell anybody to stay clear of them unless they have the Mira figure or the toy came with a pilot fig. The toy pretty much sucks unless it has the pilot figure. I purchased the Mira figures (639?) for it and now I love it. Without it I was considering getting rid of it and I have not purchased another even though there is the Max Version. Which I might have purchased if it came with a Max figure now....... . Edited March 22, 2010 by logos Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrunkenPilot72 Posted March 22, 2010 Share Posted March 22, 2010 nobody buys secondary mecha We do have Destroids so there is at least some demand for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VF5SS Posted March 22, 2010 Share Posted March 22, 2010 We do have Destroids so there is at least some demand for it. yeah that demand that had them all laying in discounts bins Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VenomMacbeth Posted March 22, 2010 Share Posted March 22, 2010 nobody buys secondary mecha That is a very broad generalization. I would love to get my hands on a Q-rau, or even a Vajra (if I had a VF-25 for it to interract with.) And I'm sure there are many others that would agree with me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eugimon Posted March 22, 2010 Share Posted March 22, 2010 That is a very broad generalization. I would love to get my hands on a Q-rau, or even a Vajra (if I had a VF-25 for it to interract with.) And I'm sure there are many others that would agree with me. define "many". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uxi Posted March 22, 2010 Share Posted March 22, 2010 I so very much want a Regult. I'll probably have at least 3, if/when they ever come out in 1/60. I also want a GREEN Q-rau and a Nos-Ger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrunkenPilot72 Posted March 22, 2010 Share Posted March 22, 2010 yeah that demand that had them all laying in discounts bins Not anymore than some of the other non hero valks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VF5SS Posted March 22, 2010 Share Posted March 22, 2010 Not anymore than some of the other non hero valks. and that proves what exactly? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrunkenPilot72 Posted March 22, 2010 Share Posted March 22, 2010 and that proves what exactly? It proves that there is enough of a demand for Destroids to justify their continued manufacture when their prices fluctuate as much as generic valks that are mostly just off color variations of hero valks. Yamato isn't going to get nearly as much mileage from the Destroid molds compared to the VF-1, YF-19, and YF-21 molds yet the fact that the Destroids haven't been discontinued yet shows that there is some profit to be had. Yamato operates on a much smaller scale than Takara or Bandai and they don't have nearly as many resources so they have to be very careful about which molds they invest in yet we saw Destroids before some of the other more in demand valks. I'm sure you don't care for the more generic mechs but there are enough people out there who buy them to make them profitable for Yamato. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eugimon Posted March 22, 2010 Share Posted March 22, 2010 and that proves what exactly? Don't ask questions like that here, here we make gross assumptions on pricing structures based on transformers and legos versus valkyries. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrunkenPilot72 Posted March 23, 2010 Share Posted March 23, 2010 Don't ask questions like that here, here we make gross assumptions on pricing structures based on transformers and legos versus valkyries. Was that suppose to be directed at me? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eugimon Posted March 23, 2010 Share Posted March 23, 2010 Was that suppose to be directed at me? Does it sound like does? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrunkenPilot72 Posted March 23, 2010 Share Posted March 23, 2010 Does it sound like does? It could be, I haven't been here long enough to see if this comes up often enough for people to dismiss it all together. Collecting valks isn't exactly a common hobby after all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
azrael Posted March 23, 2010 Share Posted March 23, 2010 You done? Good. Why no Vajra? Probably demand. There has to be a significant demand for a product to make it economically feasible. There has to be enough demand for it to actually be put into production. There is a market for enemy mechs, but there has to be a significant demand to actually put them into production. The VF-27 is considered the "enemy mech" and there was a demand for it, so they pushed forward on that. As for the Vajra? Maybe at a later time, but right now, I don't think there's a strong enough demand for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GU-11 Posted March 23, 2010 Share Posted March 23, 2010 Just my 2 cents' worth, but Vajra's probably wouldn't make for very interesting figures, being the alien lobster-looking things that they are. IMO, Yamato sees it as a huge risk every time it manufactures enemy mecha or non-hero Valks, and logic would dictate that Vajra's are even less likely to sell than Q-Rau's and Destroids. At least the Q-Rau's and Destroids had detailing and gimmicks--opening canopies and missile hatches, realistic missiles, etc. There really isn't much you could do for a Vajra figure to add to the value; no pilot, no missiles or accessories. At most, they might be able to include swappable battle-damaged limbs or carapaces. Honestly, I could just grab a boiled lobster from a restaurant and pose it in a fight scene with a VF-25, and I probably wouldn't notice the difference. In any case, Yamato doesn't even have the license for Frontier, which means they can't even make VF-25's and -27, much less Vajra's. Still, if and when Yamato DOES get the rights to manufacture stuff from the MF series, they could probably sell Vajra's at a super affordable price or maybe sell them in a set. Any way I look at it, if Yamato still hasn't gotten around to making a green TV version Q-Rau for Milia, what with a readily available mold from the DYRL Q-Rau and confirmed demand for it, Vajra's might never see the light of day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vifam7 Posted March 23, 2010 Share Posted March 23, 2010 (edited) Still, if and when Yamato DOES get the rights to manufacture stuff from the MF series, they could probably sell Vajra's at a super affordable price or maybe sell them in a set. When was anything from Yamato (or any Macross toy) super affordable? Edited March 23, 2010 by Vifam7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GU-11 Posted March 23, 2010 Share Posted March 23, 2010 When was anything from Yamato (or any Macross toy) super affordable? When it goes on clearance sale at HLJ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
logos Posted March 23, 2010 Share Posted March 23, 2010 When it goes on clearance sale at HLJ :lol: :lol: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost Train Posted March 23, 2010 Share Posted March 23, 2010 (edited) I don't know about that. Bandai makes Zaku and Flags so there must be some market for enemy mecha. Not as big as a market grant you. I think that in Gundam, Mobile Suits were just tools, both the good guys and bad guys have used them... sometimes interchangeably - hence they aren't really enemy mecha. The Zaku re-emerges as a Earth militia mech in Turn-A. The GM in 0079 was a "good side" mech, but the Titans made a variety of "evil" GM's like the Quel. Or the Rick Dias, which claims lineage from the Zeon Rick Dom but was an AEUG MS. That's why I think marketing Gundam enemy MS was probably easier. In Macross, Vajra is a confused semi-evil insect. Edited March 23, 2010 by Ghost Train Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vostok 7 Posted March 23, 2010 Share Posted March 23, 2010 (edited) I'd buy Vajra figures, even if they were "fully (un)posable" PVC figures. As long as they were in-scale (or at least somewhat) with the "good guy" toys. I love the little Red Vajra figure that came with Bandai's Quarter. Edited March 23, 2010 by Vostok 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EXO Posted March 23, 2010 Share Posted March 23, 2010 what happened with Bandai's 1/72 prototype? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vostok 7 Posted March 23, 2010 Share Posted March 23, 2010 what happened with Bandai's 1/72 prototype? Probably went in to the same void as Yamato's 1/60 Monster prototype. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jenius Posted March 23, 2010 Share Posted March 23, 2010 Bandai should just make that thing out of Vinyl! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eugimon Posted March 23, 2010 Share Posted March 23, 2010 I'm sure there's got to be some big insect looking toy out there that can be spray painted red, stick on an Eva unit 02 head and you're good to go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vostok 7 Posted March 24, 2010 Share Posted March 24, 2010 I'm sure there's got to be some big insect looking toy out there that can be spray painted red, stick on an Eva unit 02 head and you're good to go. You could always use Starship Troopers toys from the ill-fated but totally awesome Micro Machines line. Even if the movie was questionable, the bug designs from that movie were awesome. Dunno why, but I love bug designs like that (like the Vajra, for instance). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GU-11 Posted March 24, 2010 Share Posted March 24, 2010 I'm sure there's got to be some big insect looking toy out there that can be spray painted red, stick on an Eva unit 02 head and you're good to go. OR you could make your own from scratch with a combination of lobster, crab, shrimp, and crayfish shells after a seafood dinner. They're all naturally red after you boil them, anyways. All you need is a resin base to hold the shell/carapaces together. Just make sure to have a few cans of air freshener ready once the shells start to rot...or you could dip them in formaldehyde first Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost Train Posted March 24, 2010 Share Posted March 24, 2010 We are all missing the point here. There are like a gazillion Ranka Lee figures - she is like the hero red/black lined valkyrie of the Vajra. Why make the cannon-fodder Vajra, when you have their queen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ff95gj Posted March 24, 2010 Share Posted March 24, 2010 Given the size, the best bet would be a Robot Spirit sized Vajra. Damashii limited most probably... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vepariga Posted March 28, 2010 Share Posted March 28, 2010 well you can get a Ai-kun if you want some lovable vajra action Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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