Seto Kaiba Posted February 26, 2010 Share Posted February 26, 2010 This is a silly argument but Jack Baker and Mark Landry were originally the same character. When Untold Story was moved to the Southern Cross timeframe he could no longer be Americanized Shogo from Megazone 23 so he was turned into Jack Baker. Actually, wasn't the character's name originally "Mark Harris" before they changed the movie's setting from during the Macross Saga to somewhere in the middle of the Masters Saga? I know they originally wanted B.D.'s movie equivalent (named B.D. Andrews in the final script) to be a younger version of the character that eventually became T.R. Edwards, world's most obvious "secret villain" and serial backstabbing enthusiast. On balance, I think we can sum up the whole of Robotech as a long, tedious voyage through the painfully unoriginal creative debris left behind by Harmony Gold's practice of slapping together material licensed, borrowed, or stolen from people who actually have talent into something which only vaguely resembles a coherent narrative, then marketing it as their latest original creation. As one of the odder pieces of cinematic history, Robotech can sustain some degree of interest, and researching the licensing arrangements that allowed it to exist is a great way to learn about some of the more bizarre corners of copyright law, but only the most fanatical die-hard Robotech fans are holding out hope that one day we'll see a Robotech show that sells on its own merits rather than those of the licensed material used in its creation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
azrael Posted February 26, 2010 Author Share Posted February 26, 2010 ...but only the most fanatical die-hard Robotech fans are holding out hope that one day we'll see a Robotech show that sells on its own merits rather than those of the licensed material used in its creation. I'm not a fanatical fan (or even a fan), but I just want Robotech to come up with its own designs and narrative instead of pulling, promoting, and fan-wanking from a bunch of near-30 year old cartoons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einherjar Posted February 26, 2010 Share Posted February 26, 2010 Hey - talking about American politics is against the rules, so get back on topic Ok, fine. No one wins when it comes to Robotech, not even HG. Aww, dammit, I did it again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pizza the Hutt Posted February 26, 2010 Share Posted February 26, 2010 (edited) Hey - talking about American politics is against the rules, so get back on topic Pete Okay, How the Hell did rhade hack VFTF!'s account? I guess those d.O.leonard fanboys are a plague to all sites that has rules. Azreal To your reply,I actually thot that was TSC was supposed to be,a original new anime with their own ideas (except the alphas/Betas,cyclone and invid) and I feel dumb,since I been ignorant to the novels. And speaking of Halo mentioning Robotech,guess who is trying to use that as a card in the Shadow Rising production topic at rt.com productions forum? I would have posted a link to that thread but I accidently clicked "add reply" and posted my message. Edited February 26, 2010 by Pizza the Hutt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seto Kaiba Posted February 26, 2010 Share Posted February 26, 2010 ...but only the most fanatical die-hard Robotech fans are holding out hope that one day we'll see a Robotech show that sells on its own merits rather than those of the licensed material used in its creation. I'm not a fanatical fan (or even a fan), but I just want Robotech to come up with its own designs and narrative instead of pulling, promoting, and fan-wanking from a bunch of near-30 year old cartoons. Oh yes... I don't deny that there are a fair few people who aren't Robotech fans who'd like nothing better than for the creative team at Harmony Gold to come up with their own original story and designs instead of endlessly sponging off the work of animators from nearly thirty years ago... but only the most fanatical Robotech fans actually think that such a thing will ever actually happen, and that the end result will actually be watchable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginrai Posted February 27, 2010 Share Posted February 27, 2010 Actually, wasn't the character's name originally "Mark Harris" before they changed the movie's setting from during the Macross Saga to somewhere in the middle of the Masters Saga? I know they originally wanted B.D.'s movie equivalent (named B.D. Andrews in the final script) to be a younger version of the character that eventually became T.R. Edwards, world's most obvious "secret villain" and serial backstabbing enthusiast. I didn't say the character was named Mark Landry or Jack Baker originally I just said that Jack Baker and Mark Landry were originally the same character, just like TR Edwards and BD Andrews were originally the same character. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pizza the Hutt Posted February 27, 2010 Share Posted February 27, 2010 Attention to everyone calling Maverick out on his flame trolling,You all better stop because according to Memo it is seen as following him because his posts are "golden" for a shrine http://www.robotechx.com/forums/38-robotec...start=120#10380 Maybe Memo did not see this thread where Maverick was crying like a little b#$@h for what Seto said to him and then locked thread then shortly after banning Seto for a debate on Maverick. Read the last part on the last message Maverick wrote and you might see a crying tone in that reply to Seto http://www.robotech.com/community/forum/re...mp;pagenumber=9 Ridiculous! How whimpy minded does someone have to be to yell "you want others to suffer" in a online debate? Sorry for this rant folks,but its crazy that Memo calls Maverick's stupidity "Golden" when it is flame trolling Zinjo and Gubaba. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gubaba Posted February 27, 2010 Share Posted February 27, 2010 Attention to everyone calling Maverick out on his flame trolling,You all better stop because according to Memo it is seen as following him because his posts are "golden" for a shrine http://www.robotechx.com/forums/38-robotec...start=120#10380 Maybe Memo did not see this thread where Maverick was crying like a little b#$@h for what Seto said to him and then locked thread then shortly after banning Seto for a debate on Maverick. Read the last part on the last message Maverick wrote and you might see a crying tone in that reply to Seto http://www.robotech.com/community/forum/re...mp;pagenumber=9 Ridiculous! How whimpy minded does someone have to be to yell "you want others to suffer" in a online debate? Sorry for this rant folks,but its crazy that Memo calls Maverick's stupidity "Golden" when it is flame trolling Zinjo and Gubaba. I think Memo's being sarcastic, or just trying to wind us up a bit. It's all it good fun, let it go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seto Kaiba Posted February 27, 2010 Share Posted February 27, 2010 (edited) Ridiculous! How whimpy minded does someone have to be to yell "you want others to suffer" in a online debate? Ridiculous indeed... but I still thought it was a hilarious cop-out on his part, since he apparently couldn't come up with any believable rationale for banning me. I honestly find it funny as hell that even now, after they've banned me from both of their little playgrounds for HERESY!, they still see what I have to say about Harmony Gold and the Robotech franchise as such a threat to their blissful ignorance that they perpetuate this myth that I'm some kind of hybrid of Ming the Merciless and Emperor Palpatine, leading the Macross Illuminati in a sinister conspiracy to destroy Robotech from within... Sorry for this rant folks,but its crazy that Memo calls Maverick's stupidity "Golden" when it is flame trolling Zinjo and Gubaba. Chill dude... you're getting way too wound up about it. Really, I like to think of the time spent observing Maverick and MEMO's idiot antics as being like an occasional outing to a zoo's primate house. It's vaguely interesting, occasionally amusing (particularly when the inhabitants of the exhibit get to flinging crap at each other and the plexiglass partition), and you might even learn something, but ultimately it leaves you wondering at the alien motivations of those strange creatures you spent the afternoon watching, and then writing the whole thing off as inconsequential before heading out to dinner. Edited February 27, 2010 by Seto Kaiba Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pizza the Hutt Posted February 27, 2010 Share Posted February 27, 2010 Ridiculous indeed... but I still thought it was a hilarious cop-out on his part, since he apparently couldn't come up with any believable rationale for banning me. I honestly find it funny as hell that even now, I guess that was Memo's reason for banning Waters7 and planning to ban Rapier too because they were in line with you being the "Emperor" and soon Memo will ban anyone who is against HG or Robotech,he denied threatening someone when I showed it to him in his own words. Its like they either ban you or flame bait you to make you mad then ban for derailing and trolling. Gee,I still ashamed of myself for rolling with Memo and Mav. Well atleast I am trying to look past the clowning and carry on as a fan of the Macross and Robotech anime world,even tho Robotech is on the "Titanic" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyPenguins Posted February 27, 2010 Share Posted February 27, 2010 Attention to everyone calling Maverick out on his flame trolling,You all better stop because according to Memo it is seen as following him because his posts are "golden" for a shrine http://www.robotechx.com/forums/38-robotec...start=120#10380 Maybe Memo did not see this thread where Maverick was crying like a little b#$@h for what Seto said to him and then locked thread then shortly after banning Seto for a debate on Maverick. Read the last part on the last message Maverick wrote and you might see a crying tone in that reply to Seto http://www.robotech.com/community/forum/re...mp;pagenumber=9 Ridiculous! How whimpy minded does someone have to be to yell "you want others to suffer" in a online debate? Sorry for this rant folks,but its crazy that Memo calls Maverick's stupidity "Golden" when it is flame trolling Zinjo and Gubaba. The truth about the legal situation causes pain and suffering Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saraphys Posted February 27, 2010 Share Posted February 27, 2010 Read the last part on the last message Maverick wrote and you might see a crying tone in that reply to Seto http://www.robotech.com/community/forum/re...mp;pagenumber=9 Ridiculous! How whimpy minded does someone have to be to yell "you want others to suffer" in a online debate? You foolish little child... Maybe you forgot something about that THREAD there... Oh well... I guess you can hate me as much as you hate Gubaba now... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einherjar Posted February 27, 2010 Share Posted February 27, 2010 (edited) Sorry for this rant folks,but its crazy that Memo calls Maverick's stupidity "Golden" when it is flame trolling Zinjo and Gubaba. You will get used to it. They've been doing this for literally years with very little results. That's my response to everything they do now. Years. Edited February 27, 2010 by Einherjar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pizza the Hutt Posted February 27, 2010 Share Posted February 27, 2010 You foolish little child... Maybe you forgot something about that THREAD there... A few things wrong,One is I did not forget anything! I do not deny or try to hide my past errors so you accomplish nothing unless you want others to turn against me again.Second,I never called you out when you trolled me with names Xellos,Ryuhayabusa and other handles,because I no longer let it bug me. But posting foolishly does not mean I am a fool,just ignorant of the facts. Oh well... I guess you can hate me as much as you hate Gubaba now... I hate no one,it is a waste of power,besides I always thot he and you (ryu/Xellos) enjoyed hating me,but that does not bug me because folks has every right to dislike and hate me since my past with Macross fans was not the best. Atleast I know and admit I was wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gubaba Posted February 27, 2010 Share Posted February 27, 2010 You foolish little child... Maybe you forgot something about that THREAD there... My favorite bit: Standing Ovation to Maverick I apreciate your information and I am convinced and now a firm believer with your facts you provided us.As a Robotech fan it pleases me to know that Robotech has nothing to hold them back to please us fans in the upcoming future. And I'm sure Robotech is pleased to be able to please you in such pleasing ways! (cf. at 1:51. ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saraphys Posted February 27, 2010 Share Posted February 27, 2010 A few things wrong,One is I did not forget anything! I do not deny or try to hide my past errors so you accomplish nothing unless you want others to turn against me again.Second,I never called you out when you trolled me with names Xellos,Ryuhayabusa and other handles,because I no longer let it bug me. But posting foolishly does not mean I am a fool,just ignorant of the facts. I hate no one,it is a waste of power,besides I always thot he and you (ryu/Xellos) enjoyed hating me,but that does not bug me because folks has every right to dislike and hate me since my past with Macross fans was not the best. Atleast I know and admit I was wrong. Xellos Greystar, Aurora Australis, Howaido Ryu, Saraphys, Theta-1, Banes Curse, Wreck Gar... there's a dozen more I went by... But, unfortunatly, Im not RyuHayabusa... That REALLY actually-true-blue is someone else... For once, that actually is someone else... So you can tell that to your masters... As for admitting wrongness? ...sure...tell me where Im wrong... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einherjar Posted February 27, 2010 Share Posted February 27, 2010 (edited) I must be missing something, but whenever something like a compromised moderator speaks, what does it actually mean? Robotech is still in the same position it was before he said it, and the whole thing from that perspective starts over again without real results. It makes a lot of it useless except to piss people off and ruin their own credibility in the long run. Because let's face it, no one in Harmony Gold or Warner Brothers ever pays attention to that crap except for thinking about the "children" who go there. Patting yourself on the back for something you really liked 25 years ago on a regular basis doesn't really make sense if that thing constantly refuses to show life beyond merchandise and convention panels. Edited February 27, 2010 by Einherjar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gubaba Posted February 27, 2010 Share Posted February 27, 2010 (edited) I must be missing something, but whenever something like a compromised moderator speaks, what does it actually mean? Robotech is still in the same position it was before he said it, and the whole thing from that perspective starts over again without real results. It makes a lot of it useless except to piss people off and ruin their own credibility in the long run. Because let's face it, no one in Harmony Gold or Warner Brothers ever pays attention to that crap except for thinking about the "children" who go there. Patting yourself on the back for something you really liked 25 years ago on a regular basis doesn't really make sense if that thing constantly refuses to show life beyond merchandise and convention panels. True. It doesn't really mean much when they speak...unless it's accompanied with a banhammer. Edited February 27, 2010 by Gubaba Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
azrael Posted February 27, 2010 Author Share Posted February 27, 2010 Saraphys, Pizza the Hutt, you guys apparently have a history so I'll advise you 2 take it to PM or leave the history on those other sites. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeyondTheGrave Posted February 27, 2010 Share Posted February 27, 2010 And I'm sure Robotech is pleased to be able to please you in such pleasing ways! (cf. at 1:51. ) I've never been able to get into MST3K. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einherjar Posted February 27, 2010 Share Posted February 27, 2010 True. It doesn't really mean much when she speak...unless it's accompanied with a banhammer. Besides grandstanding, isn't that the only real function those guys have left until HG throws them a bone or something? It's hard to even have a serious conversation with them about Robotech. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gubaba Posted February 27, 2010 Share Posted February 27, 2010 Besides grandstanding, isn't that the only real function those guys have left until HG throws them a bone or something? It's hard to even have a serious conversation with them about Robotech. That's what I found odd. As soon as I stepped up to the plate and started asking Mav direct questions...he disappeared. I don't think I was asking unfair questions, either... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeyondTheGrave Posted February 27, 2010 Share Posted February 27, 2010 he could be a bot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gubaba Posted February 27, 2010 Share Posted February 27, 2010 he could be a bot. Impossible. He never talks about porn, how to enlarge one's penis, or how to make $10,000 a week by playing poker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einherjar Posted February 27, 2010 Share Posted February 27, 2010 (edited) That's what I found odd. As soon as I stepped up to the plate and started asking Mav direct questions...he disappeared. I don't think I was asking unfair questions, either... I'd say you're ripe for banning. Edited February 27, 2010 by Einherjar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gubaba Posted February 27, 2010 Share Posted February 27, 2010 I'd say you're ripe for banning. Quite seriously, I do my best to remain civil and non-confrontational over there. If I do go further, I try to make it clear that it's all in a spirit of fun and I don't mean any of it seriously. Memo seems to understand this, and our fencing bouts are actually pretty funny (to me, at least). MaverickLSC might view it differently...but hey, no one's FORCING him to say that Shadow Chronicles is full of hidden depths, or that Toynami MPCs are better because they break so very easily. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith Posted February 27, 2010 Share Posted February 27, 2010 Quite seriously, I do my best to remain civil and non-confrontational over there. If I do go further, I try to make it clear that it's all in a spirit of fun and I don't mean any of it seriously. Memo seems to understand this, and our fencing bouts are actually pretty funny (to me, at least). MaverickLSC might view it differently...but hey, no one's FORCING him to say that Shadow Chronicles is full of hidden depths, or that Toynami MPCs are better because they break so very easily. Dude, that's not breakage, that's realistic battle damage. Toynami goes to great lengths to make their toys as authentic as possible, and part of that is depicting what happens from normal wear & tear on high end transformable robotech machinery. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacrossCN Posted February 27, 2010 Share Posted February 27, 2010 (edited) who is Maverick???? Just a Robotech fan or official worker? Edited February 27, 2010 by kresphy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mecha2241 Posted February 27, 2010 Share Posted February 27, 2010 (edited) MaverickLSC is a mod at both Robotech.com and RobotechX.com, but like MEMO he is not an employee of HG as much as they both wish they were. He's also a douchebag who likes to talk out of rear about things he has no idea about and act like he is an expert on just about everything... Edited February 27, 2010 by mecha2241 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anime52k8 Posted February 27, 2010 Share Posted February 27, 2010 I've never been able to get into MST3K. what is wrong with you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VF5SS Posted February 27, 2010 Share Posted February 27, 2010 Take this with some caution, but according to the SRW Wiki, the show Southern Cross will never be in an SRW because ever since 2005 Big West and Tatsunoko have been fighting over it and now the rights to it are all over the place. That might explain the lack of merchandise on both sides of the pond. Without a visible Japanese foothold, how can they expect to do anything other than a few crummy T-shirts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seto Kaiba Posted February 27, 2010 Share Posted February 27, 2010 That's what I found odd. As soon as I stepped up to the plate and started asking Mav direct questions...he disappeared. I don't think I was asking unfair questions, either... Ah, you've noticed that too... If you stick to challenging the content of his bullshit rhetoric, it's almost impossible to shut up long enough to tell him to stop preaching his views on Robotech and its superiority at you like they were gospel truth. Once you start in with probing questions about his reasons for thinking the things he does, the sources for the claims he makes, or just a good old fashioned serious question about Robotech itself, he clams right up. Impossible. He never talks about porn, how to enlarge one's penis, or how to make $10,000 a week by playing poker. I dunno about that... he IS awfully fixated on penises, particularly where JT is concerned. MaverickLSC is a mod at both Robotech.com and RobotechX.com, but like MEMO he is not an employee of HG as much as they both wish they were. He's also a douchebag who likes to talk out of rear about things he has no idea about and act like he is an expert on just about everything... To be fair, I've never heard anyone accuse Maverick_LSC of doing what he does out of a misguided belief that Harmony Gold will one day offer him a job like MEMO does. His behavior suggests that he acts like a twat because he desperately wants to be respected and admired by his fellow fans, and thus has gone to great pains to construct the illusion that he's a film industry expert who regularly gets inside information about the goings-on at Harmony Gold. Maverick may have been a mod on Robotech.com for ages, but he's a fairly recent addition to the moderator staff over on RobotechX.com. He was only added after MEMO noticed that Lobizon and SIGHUP wouldn't be relied upon to help him scourge the Shadow Chronicles-criticizing heretics from his site. He seems like a perfect fit for the tone of that site, particularly now that he and MEMO are both targeting JT for a ban (confirmed by RTX co-admin SIGHUP), and he had to re-ban Pizza the Hutt after cutting a deal with SIGHUP by agreeing to unban HappyPenguins if PTH was unbanned too. In truth, it actually went further than that... the condition for allowing me back on the site was that SIGHUP would have to agree to unban Doug Bendo as well, so I took one for the team and kept Douggie-boy and his "over 900 lessoners" in ban-land. Take this with some caution, but according to the SRW Wiki, the show Southern Cross will never be in an SRW because ever since 2005 Big West and Tatsunoko have been fighting over it and now the rights to it are all over the place. That might explain the lack of merchandise on both sides of the pond. Without a visible Japanese foothold, how can they expect to do anything other than a few crummy T-shirts. Honestly, I doubt that's true... Remember, the original Southern Cross series was a failure even before it was licensed by Harmony Gold and used to make Robotech. The show's ratings were so poor that the show was canceled and the writers had to hastily wrap up the story as best they could in the space they had left. I've also heard that the show's merchandise didn't sell worth a damn either. What little Japanese merchandise I've seen for it has all borne the Big West logo, so I don't think there was (or is) any confusion about merchandising, and the use of Southern Cross characters pretty much unaltered in the failed Robotech II: the Sentinels project (and updated versions in Shadow Chronicles) leads me to suspect the intellectual property rights to Southern Cross are firmly Tatsunoko's. When asked about the profound lack of merchandise for Robotech's Masters Saga, Harmony Gold has always given the same answer... they don't think it will sell. As much as it will offend all six Southern Cross fans, Harmony Gold really does have sound reasons for believing that. In pretty much every poll about fan preferences, the Masters Saga is usually in dead last, popularity wise: In the last poll, "Do you feel that the Army of the Southern Cross has been given an unfairly bad rap?", only 19.8% of the 4463 respondents thought the bad reputation was undeserved. 75% said that the ASC's bad reputation was richly deserved, not bad enough to do their failure justice, or that they just plain didn't give a poo about anything Southern Cross-related. Likewise, on the occasions that Supreme Commander Leonard is a poll topic, the overwhelming majority usually comes out to blast his ass for being an incompetent toad (59.1% of the last one responding that Leonard was a moron, and in the one before that, 57.6% said he was an incompetent buffoon). In merchandise polls, at least 30% of respondents come out to say they're patently uninterested in whatever the Masters Saga merchandise du jour happens to be, and only about 3-4% of the votes go to Masters Saga mecha in mecha popularity polls, with Macross Saga mecha usually holding at least 55% of the overall votes, and frequently much more. That, combined with the reports that the Masters Saga merchandise in the Robotech.com store just doesn't sell nearly as well merchandise for any of the other sagas, builds a pretty strong support case for Harmony Gold's claim that they don't think Masters Saga merchandise will sell if they release it in America. 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DrStrangelove Posted February 27, 2010 Share Posted February 27, 2010 I'd say the indiscriminate use of the banhammer to silence the anti RT/HG opinion at RT.com, has pretty much killed the boards there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einherjar Posted February 27, 2010 Share Posted February 27, 2010 (edited) I think MEMO and Maverick are just plain useless for anything in that situation. Though, I have to applaud them for helping bring down their own franchise because of their obsessiveness. I doubt they really know the full consequences of a lot of their actions as long as they keep a certain someone happy. And I'm seeing more of this "fandom politics" day after day. Sounds as corrupt as regular politics (sorry, I know the rules, but still). Edited February 27, 2010 by Einherjar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gubaba Posted February 27, 2010 Share Posted February 27, 2010 Maverick may have been a mod on Robotech.com for ages, but he's a fairly recent addition to the moderator staff over on RobotechX.com. He was only added after MEMO noticed that Lobizon and SIGHUP wouldn't be relied upon to help him scourge the Shadow Chronicles-criticizing heretics from his site. He seems like a perfect fit for the tone of that site, particularly now that he and MEMO are both targeting JT for a ban (confirmed by RTX co-admin SIGHUP), and he had to re-ban Pizza the Hutt after cutting a deal with SIGHUP by agreeing to unban HappyPenguins if PTH was unbanned too. In truth, it actually went further than that... the condition for allowing me back on the site was that SIGHUP would have to agree to unban Doug Bendo as well, so I took one for the team and kept Douggie-boy and his "over 900 lessoners" in ban-land. Hmmm...if they're going to ban all the Shadow Chronicles criticizers, they've got a big, big job ahead of them...I haven't seen many people there say much that's nice about that award-winning, SUPER POPULAR film. And I say let Doug back on. He never makes any sense, anyway, and it's nearly impossible to figure out what he's saying. As long as it doesn't descend to the level of brawling that happened before, everything should be peachy. When asked about the profound lack of merchandise for Robotech's Masters Saga, Harmony Gold has always given the same answer... they don't think it will sell. As much as it will offend all six Southern Cross fans, Harmony Gold really does have sound reasons for believing that. In pretty much every poll about fan preferences, the Masters Saga is usually in dead last, popularity wise: 1st Border Red Devil sez: Of course not, cause g*ddamn, why TRY when you've pre-determined that it won't sell. I sometimes wonder if believe the horsesh*t they shovel. And for the record, I WOULD wholeheartedly support Big West if they wrangled the merchandise rights away from Tatsunoko and supported the series. Much as I respect 1st BRD, I'm not sure there's much to "support" there. I believe that inclusion in Robotech is the only thing that has kept Southern Cross from falling off the map like "Super Power Robo Galatt," "Psycho Armor Gorbarian," or "Video Soldier Lazarion." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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