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All the information the fans expected to see... like character bios, mecha stats, and an updated glossary of terms, was truncated to fit in the minimum possible amount of space, and everything except the brief character bios were crammed unceremoniously into a four page section at the very back of the book. To add insult to injury for those fans, almost the entire section is material reprinted unaltered from the Robotech.com Infopedia, spelling errors and all.

Do you remember on Robotech.com when Treiz was fighting us so adamantly about material that was supposedly in that heap-of-crap art book... then someone who HAD the book called him out on all the bullshit he was saying? If im not mistaken, i believe it was that thread in the Hardcore section about the "Alpha"... good times, that was... Not so much the arguing with a mislead moron, more the part where he got kicked off that high-horse of his... :lol:

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Pizza the Hutt ARMD Deck Swabber

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Okay, that's at least halfway rational... it doesn't really work, but at least it's rational.

Now I see why it doesn't work,Since I never been a hard core Robotech fan I been ignorant of the novels( I hate reading novels unless its Star Trek,Aliens or Resident Evil) and most comics and RPGs I had no idea that those things I thot were original were already used a long time ago.I think Tommy may have screwed Robotech's future because I have not heard a legit reason or story if the support charecters will be back,like Lancer,Sera,Lunk,Rand and Rook and Tommy never commented if they will be back.

And Seto,Maybe folks should ignore what Mav said in defence of TSC and force him to try to defend TSC here because if anyone contests Maverick's stupidity at RtX or rt.com then Mav and Memo will automatically think it is you or another fan from this site and then you get banned.Seems like Memo found another a$$clown to use.

Gubaba Super Dimension Member

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And Seto,Maybe folks should ignore what Mav said in defence of TSC and force him to try to defend TSC here because if anyone contests Maverick's stupidity at RtX or rt.com then Mav and Memo will automatically think it is you or another fan from this site and then you get banned.Seems like Memo found another a$$clown to use.

And how do you propose we "force" him to defend Shadow Chronicles here?

Considering that Mav's only made four posts here, and all he did was A) promote a Robotech fanfilm he was working on at the time, and B) try to bait Seto, I think the chances of him posting anything of substance here are slim at best.

Pizza the Hutt ARMD Deck Swabber

Pizza the Hutt

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Could this be what Kevin McKeever,Memo and MAverickLSC is referring to when they said "things are happening for Robotech"?

http://www.robotech.com/community/forum/re...&forumid=17

I guess they were right,Robotech's future is secure and well so I guess I can go back to loving all the news of how wonderful Robotech will be.... just kidding.

So much for the thunderous news of Tobey and Robotech,no doubt Memo and Maverick will use this to their advantages to promote Robotech's 25th anniversary.

I grow weary,I need my fix of Aliens vs Predator and other games.

Peace folks,

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HappyPenguins Global's Pipe Holder

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Could this be what Kevin McKeever,Memo and MAverickLSC is referring to when they said "things are happening for Robotech"?

http://www.robotech.com/community/forum/re...&forumid=17

I guess they were right,Robotech's future is secure and well so I guess I can go back to loving all the news of how wonderful Robotech will be.... just kidding.

So much for the thunderous news of Tobey and Robotech,no doubt Memo and Maverick will use this to their advantages to promote Robotech's 25th anniversary.

I grow weary,I need my fix of Aliens vs Predator and other games.

Peace folks,

I bought that game today and so far I'm loving it

Gubaba Super Dimension Member

Gubaba

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Could this be what Kevin McKeever,Memo and MAverickLSC is referring to when they said "things are happening for Robotech"?

http://www.robotech.com/community/forum/re...&forumid=17

In the behind the scenes video for the "Prototype segment they mention Robotech! Specifically one of the directors who invented the "missile circus."

That is the greatest quote I've seen all day. Yeah...the guy who created the "missile circus"...what IS his name...? :lol:

chrisk Skull Leader's Lackey

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You may use a Spheroid, or whatever the hell its called......

Got your Spheroids right here, taks.

Sorry 'bout the low-res look. Didn't bother to take a screencap from the DVD someone gave me as a "gift".

To the best of my knowledge, nobody has yet bothered to scan The Art of Robotech: the Shadow Chronicles. I can see why too... the book is pathetic, and doesn't even live up to the aggressively low standards set by the old Robotech Art series... like character bios, mecha stats, and an updated glossary of terms, was truncated to fit in the minimum possible amount of space, and everything except the brief character bios were crammed unceremoniously into a four page section at the very back of the book. To add insult to injury for those fans, almost the entire section is material reprinted unaltered from the Robotech.com Infopedia, spelling errors and all.

I hate to break it to you Seto, but the story goes that actual unpaid fanboys (Jonathan Switzer, Vince McHenry and a couple of others were merely credited for their efforts) did majority of the design and type work for the art book, hence it's somewhat questionable quality.

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Could this be what Kevin McKeever,Memo and MAverickLSC is referring to when they said "things are happening for Robotech"?

http://www.robotech.com/community/forum/re...&forumid=17

I guess they were right,Robotech's future is secure and well so I guess I can go back to loving all the news of how wonderful Robotech will be.... just kidding.

So much for the thunderous news of Tobey and Robotech,no doubt Memo and Maverick will use this to their advantages to promote Robotech's 25th anniversary.

I grow weary,I need my fix of Aliens vs Predator and other games.

Peace folks,

If i remember correctly, Shinji Aramaki designed the powersuit that was shown in Halo Legends episode 'Prototype'. And as far as the mentioning of Robotech, it could be more of a passing reference to Aramaki's previous works. Oh and did the special feature really mentions Itano? You know, that guy who made "missile circus"?

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Seto Kaiba Super Dimension Member

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Do you remember on Robotech.com when Treiz was fighting us so adamantly about material that was supposedly in that heap-of-crap art book... then someone who HAD the book called him out on all the bullshit he was saying? If im not mistaken, i believe it was that thread in the Hardcore section about the "Alpha"... good times, that was... Not so much the arguing with a mislead moron, more the part where he got kicked off that high-horse of his... :lol:

Oh yeah, I remember that... apparently better than you do, since you've forgotten it was me who called him out on his bullshit once I'd found a copy of the book. He was trying to put one over on us and frustrate me into ordering a copy of The Art of Robotech: the Shadow Chronicles from the Robotech.com store. Of course, I was the one who had the last laugh, since I disproved the arguments he and ShadowLogan were making and found a copy of the book for a dollar in a local garage sale.

Since I never been a hard core Robotech fan I been ignorant of the novels( I hate reading novels unless its Star Trek, Aliens or Resident Evil) and most comics and RPGs I had no idea that those things I thot were original were already used a long time ago.

Unsurprisingly, I get that reaction a lot when I'm talking about Robotech: the Shadow Chronicles with people who only recently "discovered" Robotech and long-time fans who rediscovered Robotech after missing all the old comics, novels, etc. I'm used to people responding to the idea that Shadow Chronicles is actually almost entirely composed of recycled characters, mecha, settings, and plot devices with a mixture of denial and denunciation, followed by surprise, alarm, and exasperation once they look into it for themselves and see what I was getting at.

When you get right down to it, Robotech: the Shadow Chronicles is a story composed almost exclusively of stuff taken from Robotech II: the Sentinels. The irony in this is that Robotech II: the Sentinels is a story which is largely made up of characters, settings, and plot elements from the Robotech TV series. Of the three new original characters in Robotech: the Shadow Chronicles, only one is actually original... Alex Romero. The other two, Maia Sterling and Marcus Rush, are watered-down copies of Karen Penn and Jack Baker from Sentinels, right down to their relationship and personalities. In true Robotech form, Karen Penn and Jack Baker aren't original either, they happen to be watered-down, simplified copies of Rick Hunter and Lisa Hayes. Everyone else is either a holdover from Robotech II: the Sentinels, a holdover from the Robotech TV series, or both.

I think Tommy may have screwed Robotech's future because I have not heard a legit reason or story if the support charecters will be back,like Lancer,Sera,Lunk,Rand and Rook and Tommy never commented if they will be back.

Somehow, I doubt they will... they wrote them out of the story pretty effectively in Shadow Chronicles. I think it's partially something to do with the voice actor budget, and partly that most of the New Generation support cast weren't really soldiers, so once the REF was back in charge on Earth they wouldn't have any reason to continue fighting. Only Lunk and Lancer were soldiers, and smart money says both were listed KIA after the forces they were with were wiped out. (Lunk's also a coward AND a deserter, so he has even less reason to want to go back to the military than Lancer)

And Seto,Maybe folks should ignore what Mav said in defence of TSC and force him to try to defend TSC here because if anyone contests Maverick's stupidity at RtX or rt.com then Mav and Memo will automatically think it is you or another fan from this site and then you get banned.Seems like Memo found another a$$clown to use.

Yeah, I've noticed that... so far two or three people have been accused of being me in disguise by Maverick and MEMO, and banned accordingly. I find it hilarious that they're SO afraid of what I have to say and what I stand for that they're determined to label anyone well-spoken enough to raise an intelligent point as either my operative or a clone account.

Considering that Mav's only made four posts here, and all he did was A) promote a Robotech fanfilm he was working on at the time, and B) try to bait Seto, I think the chances of him posting anything of substance here are slim at best.

Calling it "baiting" might be rather generous... it was so pathetic I'm not even sure it could be called that.

Could this be what Kevin McKeever,Memo and MAverickLSC is referring to when they said "things are happening for Robotech"?

Oh yes... big things are happening for Robotech... the creators of Halo: Legends were inspired by Ichiro Itano and his work on Macross. Yeah, that TOTALLY has to do with Robotech. ROFL

I hate to break it to you Seto, but the story goes that actual unpaid fanboys (Jonathan Switzer, Vince McHenry and a couple of others were merely credited for their efforts) did majority of the design and type work for the art book, hence it's somewhat questionable quality.

Well, the people they credited are, by in large, the ones who did all the creative legwork in writing the Infopedia, so that's probably why they were credited. I hadn't heard anything about them also doing the layouts.

Gubaba Super Dimension Member

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In true Robotech form, Karen Penn and Jack Baker aren't original either, they happen to be watered-down, simplified copies of Rick Hunter and Lisa Hayes.

Hang on...I thought that, initially at least, they were meant to be Shogo and Yui from Megazone (back when Untold Story was meant to be set during the Macross Saga)... :unsure:

Oh well, either way, your point still stands. They're lifted from someplace else.

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Yep, those guys were once good Robotech fans. Apparently, Maverick's post is even rippling into the RT fanbase. One of these days, I'm gonna call all Macross Fans who didn't like or understand M7 uneducated, stupid fans. We'll see how that goes over (j/k).

Gubaba Super Dimension Member

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Yep, those guys were once good Robotech fans. Apparently, Maverick's post is even rippling into the RT fanbase. One of these days, I'm gonna call all Macross Fans who didn't like or understand M7 uneducated, stupid fans. We'll see how that goes over (j/k).

Keith would agree with you, I'm sure. :p

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Hang on...I thought that, initially at least, they were meant to be Shogo and Yui from Megazone (back when Untold Story was meant to be set during the Macross Saga)... :unsure:

Oh well, either way, your point still stands. They're lifted from someplace else.

Actually, in both the Robotech II: the Sentinels "movie" and the Waltrip comics, Jack Baker is introduced with what might be the world's least subtle bout of foreshadowing on the part of Rick Hunter and Max Sterling, who both remark on how Jack Baker is EXACTLY like Rick was at that age.

You're mixing up Untold Story and Sentinels... the original protagonist of Untold Story back when it was set during the Macross Saga was literally a relative of Rick Hunter, not a carbon copy of him.

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This is a silly argument but Jack Baker and Mark Landry were originally the same character. When Untold Story was moved to the Southern Cross timeframe he could no longer be Americanized Shogo from Megazone 23 so he was turned into Jack Baker.

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That is the greatest quote I've seen all day. Yeah...the guy who created the "missile circus"...what IS his name...? :lol:

What the heck is a missile circus? I know what an Itano circus is but I've never heard of a missile circus.

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What the heck is a missile circus? I know what an Itano circus is but I've never heard of a missile circus.

I know, I've never heard of most of the typos the RT fandom comes up with, either. Who says nothing creative comes out of Robotech? :p

"900 lessoners!" :lol:

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Keith would agree with you, I'm sure. :p

Not just agree. I actually recall him doing exactly that, way back in the day.

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Could this be what Kevin McKeever,Memo and MAverickLSC is referring to when they said "things are happening for Robotech"?

http://www.robotech.com/community/forum/re...&forumid=17

I guess they were right,Robotech's future is secure and well so I guess I can go back to loving all the news of how wonderful Robotech will be.... just kidding.

So much for the thunderous news of Tobey and Robotech,no doubt Memo and Maverick will use this to their advantages to promote Robotech's 25th anniversary.

I grow weary,I need my fix of Aliens vs Predator and other games.

Peace folks,

I mentioned that in the anime currently watching thread. When I heard it, I face palmed. Robotech and Itano circus in the same sentence. :mellow: Really?

If i remember correctly, Shinji Aramaki designed the powersuit that was shown in Halo Legends episode 'Prototype'. And as far as the mentioning of Robotech, it could be more of a passing reference to Aramaki's previous works. Oh and did the special feature really mentions Itano? You know, that guy who made "missile circus"?
Yeah it did. <_< Apperently he did it in a show called "Ro-Bo-Tech" and he became famous because of it. :rolleyes: Edited by SkullLeaderVF-X
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I mentioned that in the anime currently watching thread. When I heard it, I face palmed. Robotech and Itano circus in the same sentence. :mellow: Really?

Not surprised, these days people don't even know where Chile is, and such as.

Watch in 480p

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I mentioned that in the anime currently watching thread. When I heard it, I face palmed. Robotech and Itano circus in the same sentence. :mellow: Really?

Yeah it did. <_< Apperently he did it in a show called "Ro-Bo-Tech" and he became famous because of it. :rolleyes:

It's annoying how when the personalities who were involved in the OSM's get mentioned, some of these Robotech fans goes: "Holy shoot, they mentioned (insert name here), that must mean Robotech is teh bestest show evar!" :p

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in order to have secret intel, one must first have "intel."

Pete

Ok, the truth is, I really wanted a Macross coffee mug that said "SDF-1," so I...I ordered one from HG. However it commited suicide, and jumped off my table one day, knowing it was living in sin. so I replaced it with a coffee mug full of SPIRAL ENERGY POWA!

http://www.rightstuf.com/1-800-338-6827/ca.../82536/4/650/12

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Is he sure he didn't mean roboteching?

Yeah, that annoyed the hell out of me when i saw that page.

And here i was thinking that Roboteching was a verb for mashing unrelated show together, taking credit for all the work and bashing the original creators as much as possible.

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Gubaba Super Dimension Member

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Yeah, that annoyed the hell out of me when i saw that page.

And here i was thinking that Roboteching was a verb for mashing unrelated show together, taking credit for all the work and bashing the original creators as much as possible.

That Macekre.

I think Harmony Golding should mean buying something and then claiming you automatically own everything that company ever made.

But Roboteching...that's a tough one. I'm not sure what that should mean...thoughts, anyone? ^_^

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That Macekre.

I think Harmony Golding should mean buying something and then claiming you automatically own everything that company ever made.

But Roboteching...that's a tough one. I'm not sure what that should mean...thoughts, anyone? ^_^

Well then how about Roboteching meaning having a bit of success for a short time from using other peoples hard work then doing nothing for 20 years but brag about it.

Wait, i suppose that could be Macekre as well.

How about having success from other peoples work, doing nothing for 20 years but brag, and then when you do something its crap.

VFTF1 Galactic Diva

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I am authentically dissapointed - though not surprised - that we can't come to a consensu on this isse, and agree that Roboteching is making use of the Robotech Thruster sex toy.

I also renew my call to Harmony Gold to mail a Cease and Decist order to the producers of the Robotech Thruster Masturbatory device.

Although - I'm willing to bet that the Robotech Thruster automated pussy is TRADE MARKED.

In which case - I appeal to the Porn Industry to please send a Cease and Decist letter to Harmony Gold for infringing on their copy right.

Good, decent people who masturbate with the Robotech Thruster would be shocked, SHOCKED! if they knew that the appeal of their beloved sex toy was being used by Harmony Gold to market a bootleg of 3 Japanese anime and being hustled onto Warner Brothers to become a LAM.

Think of the children. Where is the outrage? Have you no decency?

Pete

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Saraphys

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Think of the children. Where is the outrage? Have you no decency?

...F**k no...

:lol:^_^:p:D

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Einherjar

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It's just a whole mess of people with entitlement issues and very little talent. When they have new original ideas, they can't do anything about it without compromises, leaving chumps with the same issues trying to stall for them.

VFTF1 Galactic Diva

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It's just a whole mess of people with entitlement issues and very little talent. When they have new original ideas, they can't do anything about it without compromises, leaving chumps with the same issues trying to stall for them.

Hey - talking about American politics is against the rules, so get back on topic

;)

Pete

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