HG and Robotech Debates

[pondo]

So...if that lawrence Kasden penned robotech flick ever DOES happen, what are the chances it would have our beloved VF-1?

After seeing how amazing the mecha was in avatar, I got pretty pumped to see my beloved SDFM in live action. Would HG legal issues even allow ANY resemblance to SDFM?

[Moly_Sigang]

So...if that lawrence Kasden penned robotech flick ever DOES happen, what are the chances it would have our beloved VF-1?

After seeing how amazing the mecha was in avatar, I got pretty pumped to see my beloved SDFM in live action. Would HG legal issues even allow ANY resemblance to SDFM?

The chances of anything resembling the VF-1 appearing in the RLAM is zero. And that goes the same for anything resembling the Macross copyrights. The RLAM itself will be a re-imagining of the Macross saga, and all the mecha for that movie will created in-house by WB.

[Seto Kaiba]

So...if that lawrence Kasden penned robotech flick ever DOES happen

The odds of which are practically nil...

what are the chances it would have our beloved VF-1?

Exactly zero. Because the VF-1 design itself is copyrighted property of Big West, Harmony Gold and its licensees can't use the design in derivative works (new motion pictures) without obtaining license to do so from Big West.

After seeing how amazing the mecha was in avatar, I got pretty pumped to see my beloved SDFM in live action. Would HG legal issues even allow ANY resemblance to SDFM?

Only in the most general terms... you won't see anything recognizable as Macross, and you may notice omission of key terms like "Zentradi" as well.

Edited February 13, 2010 by Seto Kaiba

[VFTF1]

Cripes.

Again, WHY DO ROBOTECH FANS LOOK AT THIS THREAD AND THIS THREAD ONLY???

Captain Donovan said he looked in the "Movies and TV Series" forum, but couldn't understand what anyone was talking about (so he promptly ignored it). Dougbendo acts on his podcast like this thread is the only thread on the whole site (which is, apparently, why he thinks VFTF1 is the highest VIP here).

So, to any Robotech fans who might be reading this, and think we're all harping on your favorite series too much, take a look around the place. Look at the toy forums, the model forums, the fanworks forums, the series forums...LOOK AT ALL THE STUFF WE TALK ABOUT THAT HAS EVERYTHING TO DO WITH MACROSS, AND NOTHING TO DO WITH ROBOTECH.

You'll be glad you did.

This post is almost as misinformed as Seto's "there was no compter virus" post which I exploded on the previous page by revealing how I, along with Chinese secret services, created that virus.

As for this post:

It's a well know fact that this entire website is one big front for pedo-lovers. All you need to do is register with the Macross Purist Database to get the secret password that uncovers the true nature of this website. The "Movies and TV Series" forum is visible to registered Macross Purists who use their password as the "Underage Girl Love Thread" and the "Toys" thread is full of pornographic photography.

But mainly, it is true that this, the one and only public thread, is the main place where all the members here hang out - because seriously...Macross shows don't really have much plot. I mean - there's only so much you can oogle and drool over Ranka's under-age butt.

Beyond that, the only reason why we're all here is because we hate Robotech, and we especially hate Robotech fans who are all related to Satan.

I appreciate the fact that Gubaba and Seto, amongst others, using these faux "reasonable" arguments and appeals - like to bait idiot-Robotech fans to sign up to this website so that we can then enjoy hating on them, flaming them, trolling them, and violating their sensibilities with our homo-erotic pedo-love...

But come on Gubaba - don't make the mistake of believing in your own propaganda.

We're all here to hate on HG and look at pictures of 12 year old naked girls floating in space.

Pete

[Seto Kaiba]

We're all here to hate on HG and look at pictures of 12 year old naked girls floating in space.

Nah, if you listen to blokes like Maverick_LSC and Doug Bendo, who clearly know me much better than I know myself, I'm just here to enjoy the suffering of others between eating babies and causing earthquakes in third world countries.

Edited February 13, 2010 by Seto Kaiba

[Pizza the Hutt]

Hello Seto,

In responce to what rhade has said at robotech.com it looks like he cut and pasted and even re-worded some of what Memo and Mav said last year in that God aweful debate.

I do not take him seriously when I noticed he lied about his status in that "d.O.l." thread (he lied about quitting a job and moving to Penn when he admitted he was fired then moved,lied about a friend who needs his kidney and that suddenly stopped because he realized no one takes tissue samples to see if blood compatible, Lied about that virus Seto mentioned) and how he never contributed to the debates earlier and more like a sad cheerleader (like I sadly did for Memo in the past)

I am even more dissapointed in how HG treats fellow fans now too. Sad for me to admit,I feel kind of idiotic following that parade. I still like Robotech.Just not the way it is treated by HG.Now fans can't even make fan fics it seems.I wonder how Memo will like Kevin and HG if they stop his activity on his future LAM he wants to make himself.

Laters

[Robelwell202]

Nah, if you listen to blokes like Maverick_LSC and Doug Bendo, who clearly know me much better than I know myself, I'm just here to enjoy the suffering of others between eating babies and causing earthquakes in third world countries.

Now, wait just a damn minute...

I thought you were trying to take over the world, systematically, while spazzing over an idiotic has-been cartoon franchise that's obviously been made a million times better by 'Western' storytelling!

Or... is that just your week-end hobby?

[VFTF1]

Both tolerable hobbies to be sure. Anyways - I PMed you with that recipee for roast infant ankles you asked for. As for the situation in Hait: Good job dude! Now if only we could eat another Robotech fan.... Nobody ACTUALLY knows why Captain Donovan stopped posting...do they..?...Muahahahahahah!! Yum! Yum!

Pete

[Robelwell202]

I wonder how Memo will like Kevin and HG if they stop his activity on his future LAM he wants to make himself.

MEMO:

"WE HADD A GOOD THINK GOIN BUT KEV AND THEM SED THEY DIDNT WNT PPL TAKIN ATTTEMTION AWAY FROM LAM. KEV CALLED ME AND TOLD ME SO. HE SED NOTHING PERSENUL, SO I'M OK WITH IT. AFTER ALL, I COULDNT DO NYTHING AS GOOD AS HG! HEHEHE"

Or something like that... XD

[Einherjar]

I am even more dissapointed in how HG treats fellow fans now too. Sad for me to admit,I feel kind of idiotic following that parade. I still like Robotech.Just not the way it is treated by HG.Now fans can't even make fan fics it seems.I wonder how Memo will like Kevin and HG if they stop his activity on his future LAM he wants to make himself.

Unfortunately, they have a very close and creepy relationship almost as far as the Shadow Chronicles release. As a spokesperson for the fans, I think for them he's always been willing to compromise. I already know too much about the situation to ever take any of it seriously anymore.

[Jasonc]

Cripes.

Again, WHY DO ROBOTECH FANS LOOK AT THIS THREAD AND THIS THREAD ONLY???

Captain Donovan said he looked in the "Movies and TV Series" forum, but couldn't understand what anyone was talking about (so he promptly ignored it). Dougbendo acts on his podcast like this thread is the only thread on the whole site (which is, apparently, why he thinks VFTF1 is the highest VIP here).

So, to any Robotech fans who might be reading this, and think we're all harping on your favorite series too much, take a look around the place. Look at the toy forums, the model forums, the fanworks forums, the series forums...LOOK AT ALL THE STUFF WE TALK ABOUT THAT HAS EVERYTHING TO DO WITH MACROSS, AND NOTHING TO DO WITH ROBOTECH.

You'll be glad you did.

I think it all comes down to this...If the diehard MW haters had to look outside of this thread, they'd have to admit that we're not all haters of Robotech, and all out to kill that franchise. I've said it many times before on my own behalf. I do like Robotech. Still do, at least, what's left of the original. While I was a Macross fan first (since 5th grade elementary school), Robotech was my source to get a version of it here. I did become a fan of both. The misconception that most of us hate Robotech is some idea to keep some imagined war going by many dilusioned RT fans who want Robotech to be more important than it is. Memo knows not to go there, because that idea is simply ignorant, and stupid. Although, somehow I think people like eluding to that idea as to keep the drama rolling in.

Another misconception that I'm reading and hearing is that Macross fans hate Robotech because they used Macross in Robotech. While that maybe a couple people's hatred, I think 90-95% of us don't have the problem stemming from that. I think most of it is due to the fact that Macross isn't distributed over here, even though it's grown outside of original Macross. And I know, RT fans will use that argument that HG tried to get it over here, but, in hearing the details of how they tried to do it (and yes, I have heard the DETAILS), it wasn't much of an offer, but moreso of of an "either/or" decision that seemed very one-sided. Then there's the licensing debate,,,in which people like Rhade perpetuate the misinformation.

Anyways,

Hello Seto,

In responce to what rhade has said at robotech.com it looks like he cut and pasted and even re-worded some of what Memo and Mav said last year in that God aweful debate.

I do not take him seriously when I noticed he lied about his status in that "d.O.l." thread (he lied about quitting a job and moving to Penn when he admitted he was fired then moved,lied about a friend who needs his kidney and that suddenly stopped because he realized no one takes tissue samples to see if blood compatible, Lied about that virus Seto mentioned) and how he never contributed to the debates earlier and more like a sad cheerleader (like I sadly did for Memo in the past)

I am even more dissapointed in how HG treats fellow fans now too. Sad for me to admit,I feel kind of idiotic following that parade. I still like Robotech.Just not the way it is treated by HG.Now fans can't even make fan fics it seems.I wonder how Memo will like Kevin and HG if they stop his activity on his future LAM he wants to make himself.

Laters

Pizza, although we've indirectly have had differences, I am glad to see you finally posting in here. I hope you do come to realize that we're not the "bad guys" and although we may have different fan interests, we all just wanna see our respective shows do well. I know you're a Robotech fan, don't know how much of a Macross fan you are, but there are many threads in here with lineart, fanart, toy pics, collections, cells, scoops (scoopda) and all sorts of things. Look around, and I hope you see what else this site has to offer. Despite differences, I think it's great to have people with them. It makes the site much more interesting to hear criticisms, ideas, and disagreements. Welcome aboard.

[Gubaba]

I think it all comes down to this...If the diehard MW haters had to look outside of this thread, they'd have to admit that we're not all haters of Robotech, and all out to kill that franchise. I've said it many times before on my own behalf. I do like Robotech. Still do, at least, what's left of the original. While I was a Macross fan first (since 5th grade elementary school), Robotech was my source to get a version of it here. I did become a fan of both. The misconception that most of us hate Robotech is some idea to keep some imagined war going by many dilusioned RT fans who want Robotech to be more important than it is. Memo knows not to go there, because that idea is simply ignorant, and stupid. Although, somehow I think people like eluding to that idea as to keep the drama rolling in.

Another misconception that I'm reading and hearing is that Macross fans hate Robotech because they used Macross in Robotech. While that maybe a couple people's hatred, I think 90-95% of us don't have the problem stemming from that. I think most of it is due to the fact that Macross isn't distributed over here, even though it's grown outside of original Macross. And I know, RT fans will use that argument that HG tried to get it over here, but, in hearing the details of how they tried to do it (and yes, I have heard the DETAILS), it wasn't much of an offer, but moreso of of an "either/or" decision that seemed very one-sided. Then there's the licensing debate,,,in which people like Rhade perpetuate the misinformation.

The thing is...I for one DO dislike Robotech ("hate" is kind of a strong word). I think it's cheap and amateurish, anything that's good about it was already present in the original, and it's been leeching off of Macross and its sequels for way too long now. I dislike the confusion that results when people mix up Macross and Robotech, and I've grown to intensely dislike having to set people straight about it. Harmony Gold's continuing actions are idiotic, no doubt, but THE SHOW ITSELF is lousy, and the smug attitude of its "creators" that they took a flawed product and made it presentable is insulting.

So, if you want a Macross Purist / Robotech Hater, look no further. Here I am.

But I'd never attack someone merely for liking Robotech (although I might question their taste), nor would I try to bring down anyone who likes Robotech. If someone says something colossally stupid, I'll laugh at it...not because they like Robotech, but because they said something colossally stupid.

So I wouldn't say we're all as courteous about Robotech as you say (I'm not, at least), but I certainly hope we're not as nasty as Rhade would have it (or one guy on RTX, who figured that "Macross Elitists" were the ones who reported Robotech Genesis to HG).

Pizza, although we've indirectly have had differences, I am glad to see you finally posting in here. I hope you do come to realize that we're not the "bad guys" and although we may have different fan interests, we all just wanna see our respective shows do well. I know you're a Robotech fan, don't know how much of a Macross fan you are, but there are many threads in here with lineart, fanart, toy pics, collections, cells, scoops (scoopda) and all sorts of things.

He should know that, since he has said on many occasions that he's been a member here for a long time, and has even posted (although none of us were smart enough to figure out his secret identity).

In fact, I know he knows at least some of the goings on here, since he sent me a nice little PM last week:

"I can tell you yet still display the "Do as we say,not as we do" treatment I expirienced from so many of you Macross fans.By the way,You chose to come after me by talking about me when I was not even there at mw.com because I supported Memo,You and alot of Macross fans were worse than I was with you.So I lowered myself to using Macross fan tactics.

You were in the wrong too.You seen those threads,but you do not know what was said to me by Msgs and emails.Since you only on my sack and not taking responsibility for your actions means that you are still sore.Maybe your ego is big because you think you are Macross' herald because you translated some stuff,otherwise you could let this farce go."

So I'm guessing he's read some of the stuff I've done. It's nice to be appreciated.

Edited February 13, 2010 by Gubaba

[taksraven]

I read that thread and apparently someone is trying to undermine their project. Somebody is telling HG about how UEG is gonna commercialize their Genesis animation, despite the fact that they (UEG) have made it clear already that they won't.

Its called whiteanting and its not surprising. They dob each other in at the drop of a hat hoping to gain favor with the RT and HG highups who could not care less about them....

Taksraven

[Einherjar]

The thing is...I for one DO dislike Robotech ("hate" is kind of a strong word). I think it's cheap and amateurish, anything that's good about it was already present in the original, and it's been leeching off of Macross and its sequels for way too long now. I dislike the confusion that results when people mix up Macross and Robotech, and I've grown to intensely dislike having to set people straight about it. Harmony Gold's continuing actions are idiotic, no doubt, but THE SHOW ITSELF is lousy, and the smug attitude of its "creators" that they took a flawed product and made it presentable is insulting.

So, if you want a Macross Purist / Robotech Hater, look no further. Here I am.

But I'd never attack someone merely for liking Robotech (although I might question their taste), nor would I try to bring down anyone who likes Robotech. If someone says something colossally stupid, I'll laugh at it...not because they like Robotech, but because they said something colossally stupid.

I agree, I'd rather be a Macross Purist. The franchise we support actually has standards, like finishing projects. However, I'm being more sympathetic of fans who still have faith in Robotech, because they clearly love it more than the staff and its creators these days. HG does what it does purely for money.

[Jasonc]

The thing is...I for one DO dislike Robotech ("hate" is kind of a strong word). I think it's cheap and amateurish, anything that's good about it was already present in the original, and it's been leeching off of Macross and its sequels for way too long now. I dislike the confusion that results when people mix up Macross and Robotech, and I've grown to intensely dislike having to set people straight about it. Harmony Gold's continuing actions are idiotic, no doubt, but THE SHOW ITSELF is lousy, and the smug attitude of its "creators" that they took a flawed product and made it presentable is insulting.

I can understand that, and some of what you point out is the negative effects of what transpired. Not all is nice and pretty and perfect in my analysis, but the things that seem to be getting to you are some of the things that are part of the large equation of the dislike for HG and staff from RT and Macross fans. It's quite known that Carl Macek originally just wanted to air Macross as it was intended, just dubbed, but the 65 episode minimum helped create Robotech. But when you hear things like Macross was flawed and Carl had to fix it, you kinda see the end result of the combining of the series.

[Gubaba]

I can understand that, and some of what you point out is the negative effects of what transpired. Not all is nice and pretty and perfect in my analysis, but the things that seem to be getting to you are some of the things that are part of the large equation of the dislike for HG and staff from RT and Macross fans. It's quite known that Carl Macek originally just wanted to air Macross as it was intended, just dubbed, but the 65 episode minimum helped create Robotech. But when you hear things like Macross was flawed and Carl had to fix it, you kinda see the end result of the combining of the series.

It's probably my own myopia. I find it hard to separate Robotech from all the baggage that comes with it. I still think the show itself isn't very good, however.

[Robelwell202]

Well, this is weird...

I'm becomming less and less of a Robotech fan, all the time. Every time some bullschwat comes out of the mouth of a guy like Bendo, Mav or MEMO, or some other idiotic drivel gets uttered by Kevin McKeever, my fan-meter gets closer and closer to zero...

Now that I look at it, it's pretty close to zero, right now.

Whoa!

[Gubaba]

Well, this is weird...

I'm becomming less and less of a Robotech fan, all the time. Every time some bullschwat comes out of the mouth of a guy like Bendo, Mav or MEMO, or some other idiotic drivel gets uttered by Kevin McKeever, my fan-meter gets closer and closer to zero...

Now that I look at it, it's pretty close to zero, right now.

Whoa!

Don't worry, we have our own idiots as well. It's just that they're less likely to be in positions of authority.

[HappyPenguins]

Well, this is weird...

I'm becomming less and less of a Robotech fan, all the time. Every time some bullschwat comes out of the mouth of a guy like Bendo, Mav or MEMO, or some other idiotic drivel gets uttered by Kevin McKeever, my fan-meter gets closer and closer to zero...

Now that I look at it, it's pretty close to zero, right now.

Whoa!

I must have built up a tolerance for the BS because despite all the crap that's gone down, I'm still a Robotech fan. There are crazed individuals in every fandom, so why should we let them ruin it for us? Though I still remain a fan, I've grown more attached to my own project which is pretty much going off on its own, but I won't deny the fact that without RT it wouldn't even exist. Still I can understand how the BS can push some fans away, but it doesnt bother me because I choose to ignore those asshats. Ignore the loons and enjoy what you enjoy, let them live in la la land if it makes them happy.

[VF5SS]

That fan trailer is so sad. It's like they're more in love with the idea of Robotech than the show itself. And yet they still can't bear to distance themselves too much from the original designs.

Oh but hey it's HI DEF amateur cgi models.

[sketchley]

Cripes.

Again, WHY DO ROBOTECH FANS LOOK AT THIS THREAD AND THIS THREAD ONLY???

Prolly because it's the only thing that has a familiar name/topic to them. Start with the familiar... don't make it very far into the topic... give up, and assume the rest of the site is filled with the same? <shrugs>

As I hate to see dreams crushed, I want to offer the following advice to the people behind that Genesis project - why not take the ideas that you have to improve upon the original (or fill in the blank spots), change them just enough to be disassociated with the original (mostly in the legal sense, but in some ways a creative sense), and start from there? If you produce what you love and get it noticed (usually by being in the right place at the right time), you're more likely to succeed in the project goals (make a movie, get a job in the industry, etc.) than by just marketing it as an extension of the original.

[Jasonc]

Yes, there are some dilusional Macross fans as well, and every once in awhile, they do come out. They are generally shunned by by the general community, and aren't mods. I don't villify all RT mods. Some are just level-headed nice guys, and I still keep in contact with them on a regular basis. It's a problem when the mod status goes to someone's head.

[Beltane70]

Yes, there are some dilusional Macross fans as well, and every once in awhile, they do come out. They are generally shunned by by the general community, and aren't mods. I don't villify all RT mods. Some are just level-headed nice guys, and I still keep in contact with them on a regular basis. It's a problem when the mod status goes to someone's head.

Which, sadly these days, seem to be most of them.

[Keith]

Wait 4chan's /m/ is the ultimate source of the anti-Robotech sentiment.

Could you imagine robotech fans on 4chan? If they can't even handle Frontier, I'm pretty sure they'd go into convulsions if they accidentally stumbled into /d/.

[Jasonc]

Which, sadly these days, seem to be most of them.

That was a little vague. What are you referring to?

[Seto Kaiba]

In responce to what rhade has said at robotech.com it looks like he cut and pasted and even re-worded some of what Memo and Mav said last year in that God aweful debate.

Not entirely surprising, thought Rhade does claim that he's sick of the "purists" on both sides and did all his own research. For reasons unknown, he's thoroughly convinced that this entire site is a monument to anti-Robotech sentiment, and that those of us who've done the research are twisting the truth to make Harmony Gold look bad.

Kind of nonsensical, IMO... since Harmony Gold has never really needed anybody's help to make themselves look bad. Just look at their track record for screwing over fan projects out of spite.

I am even more dissapointed in how HG treats fellow fans now too. Sad for me to admit,I feel kind of idiotic following that parade. I still like Robotech.Just not the way it is treated by HG.Now fans can't even make fan fics it seems.I wonder how Memo will like Kevin and HG if they stop his activity on his future LAM he wants to make himself.

Honestly, what the Robotech fans need now is the kind of solidarity some of them had back in the early 90s when the promise of new Robotech animation was a distant "maybe" on the horizon and the steady trickle of comics and novels, regardless of quality, were what kept the fandom moving forward. These days, the fans are so busy looking for reasons to banish each other over opinions and personal preferences (Purists, Mckinneyists, Spanglerists, etc.) that the fanbase is slowly tearing itself apart and driving people away. A problem exacerbated by the very people who are, at least on paper, charged with stopping it... the Robotech.com moderators.

I think it all comes down to this...If the diehard MW haters had to look outside of this thread, they'd have to admit that we're not all haters of Robotech, and all out to kill that franchise.

Yeah, you pretty much hit the nail on the head. Generally speaking, the problem is that as the Robotech fanbase has been gradually whittled down to a hard core of devoted fans by Harmony Gold's indifference towards the brand and their inability to keep what little momentum they achieve... and that the remaining fans tend to react with overt hostility when they see someone who says they like the originals better than Robotech, which seems to be interpreted by them as "betraying the cause". I guess in a way they're right too, since every person who gives up on the franchise out of frustration is one less person to buy the products that keep the Robotech franchise limping along.

That fan trailer is so sad. It's like they're more in love with the idea of Robotech than the show itself. And yet they still can't bear to distance themselves too much from the original designs.

Oh but hey it's HI DEF amateur cgi models.

Yeah, it looks pretty awful... but the sad-yet-hilarious part is that in terms of the CG model quality there really isn't that big a difference between that fan-film trailer and Robotech: the Shadow Chronicles. Honestly, I feel kind of bad for the guys at UEG Productions, because they don't realize what they're doing (and have been doing for YEARS) is a total boondoggle. Not only are they apparently playing to the most hideously unpopular part of Robotech (Southern Cross), but they've managed to set themselves up for a fall by drawing the attention of Harmony Gold, who have put their foot down on anything that might outshine their current offerings.

It certainly doesn't help that a lot of their CG models are ugly as hell, adding all kinds of extra detail and angles where none should be... presumably to cover their less-than-stellar texture work, and in some cases removing details from a lot of places where detail should be... the Zor/Tiresian ships being reduced from overly-busy designs to little more than a collection of floating elongated hexagons with one or two step pyramids on top.

[Gubaba]

Yeah, you pretty much hit the nail on the head. Generally speaking, the problem is that as the Robotech fanbase has been gradually whittled down to a hard core of devoted fans by Harmony Gold's indifference towards the brand and their inability to keep what little momentum they achieve... and that the remaining fans tend to react with overt hostility when they see someone who says they like the originals better than Robotech, which seems to be interpreted by them as "betraying the cause". I guess in a way they're right too, since every person who gives up on the franchise out of frustration is one less person to buy the products that keep the Robotech franchise limping along.

...and then you've got the little outbreak happeneing (already!) at Hulu, where someone is already touting Robotech as THE ORIGINAL, and Macross just a superfluous retread of it.

[Einherjar]

As I hate to see dreams crushed, I want to offer the following advice to the people behind that Genesis project - why not take the ideas that you have to improve upon the original (or fill in the blank spots), change them just enough to be disassociated with the original (mostly in the legal sense, but in some ways a creative sense), and start from there? If you produce what you love and get it noticed (usually by being in the right place at the right time), you're more likely to succeed in the project goals (make a movie, get a job in the industry, etc.) than by just marketing it as an extension of the original.

That depends on how flexible HG is in dealing with this. I'm thinking they could force them to stop work altogether or eventually help showcase their work for the franchise's benefit after huge compromises. Or, just like the other big fan projects that came before it, they could stall real progress with talks of some official support for it long enough that the team just stops work out of frustration in dealing with HG. That small glimpse of hope the team still has from communicating with HG recently might be a trap.

[Seto Kaiba]

...and then you've got the little outbreak happeneing (already!) at Hulu, where someone is already touting Robotech as THE ORIGINAL, and Macross just a superfluous retread of it.

Good grief... what is it about Robotech that brings out the crazies? I'm betting it's the 20 years "the faithful" had to wait just to get a single half-assed movie. You don't get this kind of stupid poo in fandoms where the creators can get a product to market in a reasonable time.

[taksraven]

...and then you've got the little outbreak happeneing (already!) at Hulu, where someone is already touting Robotech as THE ORIGINAL, and Macross just a superfluous retread of it.

Can we have a little linky to the "tremendous stupidity" goodness you are talking about....

Taksraven

[SkullLeaderVF-X]

Wait Pizza the Hutt is posting here, and actually being modest.......

Just how long have I been gone, and which demension did I beam too!?

[Gubaba]

Can we have a little linky to the "tremendous stupidity" goodness you are talking about....

Taksraven

http://www.hulu.com/super-dimension-fortress-macross

Go down to "Activities" and click on "dicussions."

But since Hulu is only available in the States, you may not be able to view it.

So here's the best of the crop, all from the same guy:

Why have both shows? Robotech was done first. Why spend money rehashing it?

I am so glad I have the complete series on dvd wih he original english voice dub [Gubaba's note: he means Robotech]. This is just rehashed new dub. It may be trurer to oiginal Japanese version but the original Robotech dub done in the early 1980's is so much better in my view as it is more exciting. The aliens in the new version sound human but in the original Robotech version they have a distinctive alien sound. In this new versio so far the military does not know what its doing military wise bt the oiginal the military machine was distinctive. Anoter change is there is no Rick Hunter or Lisa Hayes. Rick Hunter (Ikaru) was the original version's name of Roy Faulker's buddy from the air show. Lisa Hayes is the orignals name for the lieutenant that forced an unexperienced Rick to take off in the first episode. These names was to appease to American audiences. Everyone's elses names so far remains the same.

I for one dont like this new redubbed series. Why redo something thats already been done. Its a waste of money and time.

I am a true Robotech no doubt. Even so I agree with Toichi about "where is the subbed version". If you going to carry Robotech, a strictly dubbed version of this series, then I say make this series the original japanease dialog with subtitles version. That way you will be catering to both crowds at the same time.

Just a thought.

And in reply to someone who called Robotech a butchering of Macross:

And yet thousands perhaps millions of kids (now adults) grew up watching and loving Robotech. Maybe it did butcher the origianl series but to insult it would be to insult all those poeple that grew up on it.

And a different user:

I have watch three episode of both Macross and Robotech (although, I need to watch more to add my analysis). All I can tell you is from watching three episodes, it looks like they both stay true to the Japanese version (although ADV's Macross dub is very close to the Japanese source, Robotech is fairly close to the Japanese version). Robotech is a very classic anime and many anime fan still love it (sometime over the ADV uncut dub of Macross) and some people think it's anime butcher(when it's not, and for all the purists, did you know half of our American cartoon got edited when it went to Japan.

And yet a third user:

No disrespect intended but I'm an anime fanatic and I can tell you that the macross series dosen't compare to robotech.

And that's only in the first couple of days! I foresee years of this tripe!!

Edited February 14, 2010 by Gubaba

[Einherjar]

...and life just goes on as always. Well, maybe not for Robotech. Rick Hunter is still being sucked into a self-made black hole at the moment from three years ago. Plus, human civilization is on the verge of economic and structural collapse with the Protoculture Matrix going down with him. Someone should really fix that.

Edited February 14, 2010 by Einherjar

[taksraven]

http://www.hulu.com/super-dimension-fortress-macross

Go down to "Activities" and click on "dicussions."

But since Hulu is only available in the States, you may not be able to view it.

So here's the best of the crop, all from the same guy:

Thanks for that. I can see the discussions not the vids though. Incredibly stupid people it would seem. Or trolls more likely.

Taksraven

[SkullLeaderVF-X]

http://www.hulu.com/super-dimension-fortress-macross

Go down to "Activities" and click on "dicussions."

But since Hulu is only available in the States, you may not be able to view it.

So here's the best of the crop, all from the same guy:

And in reply to someone who called Robotech a butchering of Macross:

And a different user:

And yet a third user:

And that's only in the first couple of days! I foresee years of this tripe!!

I cannot find words to display my feelings of utter disbelief/disgust.