Wanzerfan Posted February 8, 2010 Share Posted February 8, 2010 (edited) That is hiliarous. Cause honest to God, I have yet to see that movie. I was just making a joke about how I accidently typed "A" instead of the "S" in "Taksraven", but now I must see this movieI know of two dubs of Akira, but I've only seen the one Cam Clarke (James Flinders) was in all the way through, though; good lord, was he whiny in that dub. Edited February 8, 2010 by Wanzerfan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith Posted February 8, 2010 Share Posted February 8, 2010 I know of two dubs of Akira, but I've only seen the one Cam Clarke (James Flinders) was in all the way through, though; good lord, was he whiny in that dub. Dubs = Fail! "KA-NEEYYY-DUUUHH!!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dynaman Posted February 8, 2010 Share Posted February 8, 2010 Dubs = Fail! "KA-NEEYYY-DUUUHH!!" The second dub is much better then the first (MUCH! better). I can't remember if they still pronounced Keneda (I probably spelled it wrong...) properly in that one either though. I loaned my copy to a friend and never saw it again, sigh... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robelwell202 Posted February 8, 2010 Share Posted February 8, 2010 (edited) Dubs = Fail! "KA-NEEYYY-DUUUHH!!" You'd be correct, in reference to the first dub, but not the second. It's pretty damn good. Not only do the dubbed voices sound more appropriate to the scenes in the film, they are more accurate, so the film makes much more sense. Edited February 8, 2010 by Robelwell202 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeyondTheGrave Posted February 8, 2010 Share Posted February 8, 2010 The second dub is much better then the first (MUCH! better). I can't remember if they still pronounced Keneda (I probably spelled it wrong...) properly in that one either though. I loaned my copy to a friend and never saw it again, sigh... Sounds like my copy of ghost in the shell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freiflug88 Posted February 8, 2010 Share Posted February 8, 2010 No surprise here, but that horrible Akira dub that you guys are refereing to was a Carl Macek dub, and Cam Clarke of course was an choice to cast cause his previous work with Macek as Max and Yellow Belmount in Robotech. This below is mor Macross purist Bs cause of corse in Japan where Cowamoree is they cant get robotech cuz of legal blocade of HG's proparty. Fact spiks lowder then wurds! Only pedofiles buy blu-rays, and the dvds salz not acowting for much so go back to watching your kiddie porn macross purists fact is Shadow Chronciles is having better salz. pete Pete, if Macross Frontier was really kiddie porn then their is no way in hell that the devout Catholics, brothers Dan and Frank Carney, that founded Pizza Hut would ever allow their company to advertise Frontier all over Japan. You see Pizza Hut has always been faithful to its Catholic values, like the Vatican law of 12 years of age for sexual consent... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith Posted February 9, 2010 Share Posted February 9, 2010 Pete, if Macross Frontier was really kiddie porn then their is no way in hell that the devout Catholics, brothers Dan and Frank Carney, that founded Pizza Hut would ever allow their company to advertise Frontier all over Japan. You see Pizza Hut has always been faithful to its Catholic values, like the Vatican law of 12 years of age for sexual consent... If that were true, then Pizza Hut would never have had those MS Pac Man table top arcade games 25 years ago, which clearly fly in the face of god & jesus by having a yellow dot with a bow "eating" the holy ghost! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jasonc Posted February 9, 2010 Share Posted February 9, 2010 that would make Pac-Man filled with the Holy Ghost. Pac-Man, with that description, is a very Christian game. On a side note, I was thinking of maybe setting up a small So-Cal get together with Macross fans in the area. Nothing official, maybe just a day around L.A. J-town, lunch, and just a day to hang out. Even if not from the area, I think it'd be cool to get some of us together. There's a few of us that hang out for poker and such, but this could be a day to kinda "geek out". Anyways, if you're interested, we'll also be planning to overthrow HG and dissect RT into 3 seperate series. Had to throw that in, just to keep it all on topic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gubaba Posted February 9, 2010 Share Posted February 9, 2010 that would make Pac-Man filled with the Holy Ghost. Pac-Man, with that description, is a very Christian game. On a side note, I was thinking of maybe setting up a small So-Cal get together with Macross fans in the area. Nothing official, maybe just a day around L.A. J-town, lunch, and just a day to hang out. Even if not from the area, I think it'd be cool to get some of us together. There's a few of us that hang out for poker and such, but this could be a day to kinda "geek out". Anyways, if you're interested, we'll also be planning to overthrow HG and dissect RT into 3 seperate series. Had to throw that in, just to keep it all on topic. If we can burn effigies of Carl Macek, color me there! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Save Posted February 9, 2010 Share Posted February 9, 2010 One thing I love...along with everything else, he talks about Shadow Chronicles selling 100,000 copies and how NO ONE EVER talks about Macross Frontier selling anything CLOSE to 100,000 copies. Except... there's this: http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2008-...0-blu-ray-discs "The Japanese anime distributor Bandai Visual has announced that it shipped 45,000 Blu-ray Discs and 55,000 DVDs for the first volume of the Macross Frontier science-fiction anime series on Friday." Anyone care to guess what 45,000 + 55,000 equals...? You forgot to mention that those units were sold in a country which is about equal the size of California. Can you imagine if they had international distribution? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Funkenstein Posted February 9, 2010 Share Posted February 9, 2010 Also remember the pricing and that there are more volumes. In essence, one could plausibly say that all of Macross Frontier has sold more in one year than the entire life time of Shadow Chronicles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einherjar Posted February 9, 2010 Share Posted February 9, 2010 One thing I love...along with everything else, he talks about Shadow Chronicles selling 100,000 copies and how NO ONE EVER talks about Macross Frontier selling anything CLOSE to 100,000 copies. Except... there's this: http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2008-...0-blu-ray-discs That's probably the only time he'll ever defend Shadow Chronicles until he reverts back to crazy rants about it. That is, unless he loves it now only by default. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jasonc Posted February 10, 2010 Share Posted February 10, 2010 That's probably the only time he'll ever defend Shadow Chronicles until he reverts back to crazy rants about it. That is, unless he loves it now only by default. He's done that before, usually only to fit his bitching or his argument. It does, however, from most people's perspective, invalidates the credibility. This does indeed make him a sellout. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robelwell202 Posted February 10, 2010 Share Posted February 10, 2010 He's done that before, usually only to fit his bitching or his argument. It does, however, from most people's perspective, invalidates the credibility. This does indeed make him a sellout. More to the point, he's carried the stance of "Sure, RT:TSC was a POS, but it'll ALWAYS be better than Macross Frontier!" Disgusting! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jasonc Posted February 10, 2010 Share Posted February 10, 2010 More to the point, he's carried the stance of "Sure, RT:TSC was a POS, but it'll ALWAYS be better than Macross Frontier!" Disgusting! sounds like he lives in denial... not too uncommon for whiners and poo butts, hahaha. I've heard that, or have seen that attitude elsewhere. They hate Macross so much, that they've supposedly seen all the new series, and know enough to talk about it over and over again, even if from a very elementary p.o.v. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einherjar Posted February 10, 2010 Share Posted February 10, 2010 He's done that before, usually only to fit his bitching or his argument. It does, however, from most people's perspective, invalidates the credibility. This does indeed make him a sellout. Yeah, that's a common thing these days. The real challenge is to find people who aren't sellouts for Robotech, from all sides of the situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyPenguins Posted February 10, 2010 Share Posted February 10, 2010 I find it funny he thinks we care what he says about us lol according to a special source he's going on about how I'm a fat bitch I've lost track of how many times I've heard that insult from random internet strangers... gets old after a while! anyways.. why anyone could listen to his podcast is beyond me back when I thought he was "civil" I couldn't even stomach it then, the bastard was putting me to sleep with his rambling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saraphys Posted February 10, 2010 Share Posted February 10, 2010 If he's going to act like that, i must insist that he be stripped of his evolutionary gifts... Cognitive abilities, Speech, Thumbs... ...Y'think Evolution is like a warrenty? If we're not completely satisfied, we get our money back? 'cause I vote we call-in the warrenty on Bendover's right of sentients... Oh, and they still haven't found my "evil macross purist" account on RT.com yet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terry the lone wolf Posted February 10, 2010 Share Posted February 10, 2010 Robotech on The Electric Playground. http://www.elecplay.com/newsdate/2010-02-08 Narrator's official site; he's still alive! http://johnjsmith.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justvinnie Posted February 10, 2010 Share Posted February 10, 2010 Robotech on The Electric Playground. http://www.elecplay.com/newsdate/2010-02-08 Narrator's official site; he's still alive! http://johnjsmith.com/ Wow... Carl acted liked he created the story from scratch as opposed to using the stories created by someone else and limited to the existing animation. "What we wanted was a show that would talk to children in a way that was not demeaning. It empowered them. We showed what war was all about. We saw characters die. We saw characters fall in love. We saw life in a way that no kid could experience in cartoons before." vinnie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einherjar Posted February 10, 2010 Share Posted February 10, 2010 "What we wanted was a show that would talk to children in a way that was not demeaning. It empowered them. We showed what war was all about. We saw characters die. We saw characters fall in love. We saw life in a way that no kid could experience in cartoons before." I challenge that assertion; excessively relying on a narrator to explain what the audience should feel at a given time and spoil plot and character developments ahead of time is not empowering at all. That's spoon-feeding a story to an audience you think are idiots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gubaba Posted February 10, 2010 Share Posted February 10, 2010 I challenge that assertion; excessively relying on a narrator to explain what the audience should feel at a given time and spoil plot and character developments ahead of time is not empowering at all. That's spoon-feeding a story to an audience you think are idiots. Mmm...yeah, but let's be fair; there's less spoon-feeding in Robotech than there is in, say, He-Man or GI Joe. That said, I *still* can't figure out where Macek's head is at. Half the time, he acts like he wanted to bring Macross over, and Robotech resulted from all the conditions placed on him in the process; and half the time, he acts like it was all his idea, and Macross existed solely to become the first generation of his science-fiction adventure saga. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkullLeaderVF-X Posted February 10, 2010 Share Posted February 10, 2010 (edited) Mmm...yeah, but let's be fair; there's less spoon-feeding in Robotech than there is in, say, He-Man or GI Joe. That said, I *still* can't figure out where Macek's head is at. Half the time, he acts like he wanted to bring Macross over, and Robotech resulted from all the conditions placed on him in the process; and half the time, he acts like it was all his idea, and Macross existed solely to become the first generation of his science-fiction adventure saga. I remember reading an article in Wizard magazine's sister anime mag. many, blue full moons ago. Where Macek stated that the reason Macross was becoming so popular again in Japan, was because of renewed interest in Robotech. Needless to say I was shocked and disgusted with the man's arrogance. Edited February 10, 2010 by SkullLeaderVF-X Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gubaba Posted February 10, 2010 Share Posted February 10, 2010 I remember reading an article in Wizard magazine's sister anime mag. many, blue full moons ago. Where Macek stated that the reason Macross was becoming so popular again in Japan, was because of renewed interest in Robotech. Needless to say I was shocked and disgusted with the man's arrogance. Not just that, he also said (in 2001) that further Macross sequels took their lead from Robotech rather than the original Macross. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taksraven Posted February 10, 2010 Share Posted February 10, 2010 I remember reading an article in Wizard magazine's sister anime mag. many, blue full moons ago. Where Macek stated that the reason Macross was becoming so popular again in Japan, was because of renewed interest in Robotech. Needless to say I was shocked and disgusted with the man's arrogance. Arrogance is the secret of success for a lot of dickheads. If nobody calls them on their BS and the person gets away with it, they become more powerful. Macek gets away with it because of the areas that he works in, material that is generally perceived as "Kiddies" stuff, even today, and as a result nobody is interested in arguing with him when he calls himself Shakespeare. If he moved into the wider realm of Hollywood films and TV, and started to adapt and rip off the work of others and claim the genius of others as his own, he would end up facing enough criticism to make him STFU with that crap. Taksraven Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkullLeaderVF-X Posted February 10, 2010 Share Posted February 10, 2010 Not just that, he also said (in 2001) that further Macross sequels took their lead from Robotech rather than the original Macross. How is that even possible? When Robotech is just the bastard child of Macross and to other shows hacked into one! Not only that, but there not even good bastard children, there more like mentally disabled bastard children from some incestuous relationship that never should have occurred. If anything Robotech takes the lead from Macross. What the hell kind of white pony is this guy riding!? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einherjar Posted February 10, 2010 Share Posted February 10, 2010 (edited) Actually, I thought these days Carl Macek is stuck defending everything he did to create the Robotech franchise because the industry that grew thanks to it went against Robotech and people rightfully valued the work of original creators more than translators and editors. If people cared less about where their entertainment came from, Macek would really be basking in the glory of his franchise. Instead, he'll always be on the defensive about it, even slanderous. Edited February 10, 2010 by Einherjar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gubaba Posted February 10, 2010 Share Posted February 10, 2010 How is that even possible? When Robotech is just the bastard child of Macross and to other shows hacked into one! Not only that, but there not even good bastard children, there more like mentally disabled bastard children from some incestuous relationship that never should have occurred. If anything Robotech takes the lead from Macross. What the hell kind of white pony is this guy riding!? I dunno, but here's what he said: http://robotech.com/news/viewarticle.php?id=17 Ein asks: Mr. Macek, First I would like to thank you for providing my first exposure to anime via the robotech series, and thank you for giving such widespread exposure to Macross, one of the greatest anime of all time. My question is, why did you make the decision to change the storylines of the original series to fit them together, rather than just provide a literal translation and keep the storylines seperate, but under the robotech brand? Such a decision would obviously be unfeasible today, with the greater cross-pollenization of Japanese and American franchises; many anime fans would spot such changes immediately. Even at the time, Voltron took a similar idea,(combining 2 series under 1 title) but kept the 2 storylines completely seperate between the 2 shows. Much confusion is created now, with the continuing poularity (and many sequels!) of Macross conflicting with the Robotech license. What caused you to decide to change the series as you did, and would you do the same today? Carl Macek says: First the storyline of Macross has major flaws, primarily the concept of "music" as a weapon to be used against the alien invaders - these flaws have been addressed in the subsequent exploitation of the Macross franchise in Japan - in fact it seems that these new variations on Macross seem to be influenced more by Robotech than by an outgrowth of the Macross plot. That said, the goal of Robotech was to create an original program that could be sold to a worldwide audience. It was done to expose the animation and the property to a viewership that is not pre-disposed to the original material. More people were exposed to the animation as Robotech that could every have been exposed to it through the individual series. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
azrael Posted February 10, 2010 Author Share Posted February 10, 2010 I dunno, but here's what he said: http://robotech.com/news/viewarticle.php?id=17 Carl Macek says: First the storyline of Macross has major flaws, primarily the concept of "music" as a weapon to be used against the alien invaders - these flaws have been addressed in the subsequent exploitation of the Macross franchise in Japan -.... Kinda reminds me this phrase "one man's trash is another man's treasure". This is probably one thing I'll never quite get the grasp of nor understand people who make that kind of claim. A "flaw" means that there's something wrong with it. Like it shouldn't be there. But it works for Macross. I don't see how it's a flaw when it works (and blends very well) for the original series. It like complaining about Mary Jane falling off the bridge instead of Gwen Stacy in the 1st Spiderman movie. It works for the context of the movie. Or the differences between an original production and its remake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VFTF1 Posted February 10, 2010 Share Posted February 10, 2010 Gubaba - please stop quoting that Macek interview. His statement makes my brain slowly turn to jello every time I read it Seriously - it's not even about the "flaw" thing... But...here...look at this: 1. ROTF is a flawed movie (most people here would agree/argue) 2. The Godfather II is generally considered to be one of the best sequels ever made THEREFORE: 3. I will re-dub ROTF and Godfather II and together they will be SOLAR POWER MAN! Point: EVEN if we "accept" Macek's "argument" that Macross is "flawed" because of music as a weapon against aliens...the FUUCKING QUESTION WAS WHY DID YOU PUT THEM TOGETHER WITH SOUTHERN CROSS AND MOSPEDEA!?!? I mean - Macek DOESN'T say that Southern Cross and Mospedea were "flawed" does he?? So - why SHRED those two anime?? How does a "flaw" in Macross justify shredding two other anime that Macek apparently DOESN'T think are flawed?? FURTHERMORE - IF Macross is, by Macek's own admission the "flawed" anime of the three composing Robotech... then why make the FLAWED anime the ground-work for the entire Robotech series!? I mean - it is just so much utter nonesense. Also - notice that he says "more people were exposed to the ANIMATION" ... the ANIMATION!? Oh gee thanks! As we all know - most people watched Avatar with the sound off - they were just thankful to be exposed to the pretty pictures. If the point was to just "expose" people to the animation...then why couldn't they be exposed to the animation by keeping the material true to the originals? Because the originals were "less palpatable" ? WHY? Because ONE of them was "flawed" (Macross) ? So...why does that ONE happen to be the most popular of the three? Because it "resembles" Robotech?? HOW can Macross' continuations "resemble" Robotech if they actually emloy and widen the "flaw" that Macek mentions and which has been effectively REMOVED from Robotech (judging by how "important" music was in Shadow Chronicles)... This is so blatantly and obviously a sack of BS PR lies that relies on the majority of fans to have a) never read Robotech Art I or III b) Be vaguely nostalgic but utterly NOT knowledgeable about either anime or even Robotech for that matter Macek is harping this BS because he knows that 95% of his "lessoners" are not Seto or us in general but people who don't know shiit about Robotech or Macross or anime. It's obviously not "him" doing the talking - it's the "company line." The problem is - in the age of the internet - that's not going to get you very far.... I can't WAIT - if the Robotech LAM comes out - to see the directors' commentary on this one.... "we wanted to be true to the original Robotech vision" .... ble ble ble... all of the distortions and BS that Macek spouted in that interview will be passed off as common sense... It's just BS - utter BS... And it hurts my brain just to read it. Pete Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einherjar Posted February 11, 2010 Share Posted February 11, 2010 This sounds like the best time for Carl Macek to really show what he's made of; if he really was the sole focal point for Robotech's success, he should be able to continue where he left off or redo his intended story the way it was supposed to. No help from the crews from Macross, Southern Cross, and Mospeada, just him, everyone in HG, and whoever they hire to turn his ideas into animation and other media for a change. He shouldn't be restricted by "flawed" animation this time around if he was serious about all that rhetoric. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisk Posted February 11, 2010 Share Posted February 11, 2010 I can't WAIT - if the Robotech LAM comes out - to see the directors' commentary on this one.... "we wanted to be true to the original Robotech vision" .... ble ble ble... all of the distortions and BS that Macek spouted in that interview will be passed off as common sense... VFTF1, we share the same fear. I heard once that Macek really worked hard in the last decade trying to spread his (mis)information campaign. My fear is it's working?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gubaba Posted February 11, 2010 Share Posted February 11, 2010 Gubaba - please stop quoting that Macek interview. His statement makes my brain slowly turn to jello every time I read it Gubaba asks: Mr. Macek, your creation of Robotech is a joy forever, and every single second of it is like an apple of gold, but some Lying Macross Purists like Pete say that Robotech is like a bootleg, and that, far from improving the story through the awesome, mind-blowing decision to mash it up with two inferior series, you mangled it almost beyond recognition. In fact, he even says he's sick of hearing you "rant" about how you "created" Robotech!!! How do you respond to Macross nazis like that? Carl Macek says: My comment about this is that it's too bad that people have to demonize concepts and personalities. There was no malice inherent in Harmony Gold's decision to make Robotech. Both of the concepts are viable. Macross is not Robotech and Robotech is not Macross. The way to look at the situation is to recognize Robotech as an original work. As such it has spawned books, role-playing games, school curriculums and a legion of fans. The original series are still intact. They exist on their own. They should not take away from the story of Robotech and Robotech should not take away for their story. You have to look at the big picture - The success of Robotech allowed Macross, Mospeada and Southern Cross a worldwide audience - Mospeada and Southern Cross were "failures" in Japan - they were truncated due to poor ratings. Robotech brought these works to a hugh audience - even the management at Tatsunoko recognizes the value of Robotech. That said, there is no need to take anything away from the original programs. Robotech should be seen as an original project which utilizes footage from various Tatsunoko programs - there was no intent to lessen the native programs. My theory about all this is that there is no reason why all these elements can not exist In harmony (no pun intended) - there is no need to create adversarial situations. Enjoy each for what it is. And there you have it, Pete! Take a chill pill, relax, and enjoy Robotech, which has no flaws and is not a failure! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einherjar Posted February 11, 2010 Share Posted February 11, 2010 (edited) VFTF1, we share the same fear. I heard once that Macek really worked hard in the last decade trying to spread his (mis)information campaign. My fear is it's working?! If it was really working, why are the only people making a big deal about it these days a robotech.com/robotechx.com moderator and a fringe Robotech talkshoe podcaster? Even the industry/industries HG wants to associate with these days do not make a big deal about their actions except when someone interviews Carl Macek because of his role in creating the modern anime distribution industry and something negative like the Mechwarrior Reboot situation. At best, these tidbits about Robotech's 25th Anniversary sound like fluff pieces for content. Edited February 11, 2010 by Einherjar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RDClip Posted February 11, 2010 Share Posted February 11, 2010 Carl should really run for office, he really got the bending (and breaking) the truth and shameless self-promotion down. I always find soo damn absurd when he claims the Macross "exploitations" to be derived from RT. Yep, i totally see how Mac+ is based on RT. Or how Macross totally rips off RT's thing of never introducing new planes or hiring non-singers to sing. Really when the creator is acting like and saying things like that, you really can's call dougbendo and MEMO the lunatic fringe. Seems like lying and acting like douchbags is the official stance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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