Idea for a new valk

[shadow strikers]

What if they made one in a b-2 bomber or f-117 style would you buy it and if theres anyone good at drawing here could you draw a picture on what it might look like

[azrael]

What if they made one in a b-2 bomber

VAB-2. No animation has put it to use and the variant milking is so low that I won't waste time with it.

or f-117 style would you buy it and if theres anyone good at drawing here could you draw a picture on what it might look like

The VF-17 or VF-171. Has a slightly higher mold milking-factor but that's gonna depend on Yamato and Bandai to go forward with it.

[Agent-GHQ]

In the LV1 1/48 color, I say hells yeah!

[Uxi]

Good idea. I always thought there should be a short-range light valkyrie in the style of the F-16 with an F-22 style transformation (the single thruster becomes a backpack). It would be pretty small, as valks go, probably VF-1 sized, but would be a post Macross 7-era tech fighter (basically using some of the lessons learned from YF-23, but not the full bore that VF-22 got).

[shadow strikers]

VAB-2. No animation has put it to use and the variant milking is so low that I won't waste time with it.

The VF-17 or VF-171. Has a slightly higher mold milking-factor but that's gonna depend on Yamato and Bandai to go forward with it.

i just looked up the VAB-2 that would make a awesome 1/60 scale figure one someone should ask yamoto to make it

[shadow strikers]

Good idea. I always thought there should be a short-range light valkyrie in the style of the F-16 with an F-22 style transformation (the single thruster becomes a backpack). It would be pretty small, as valks go, probably VF-1 sized, but would be a post Macross 7-era tech fighter (basically using some of the lessons learned from YF-23, but not the full bore that VF-22 got).

so do you think someone can contact yamato to produce the VAB-2 and the VF-171 perfect trans

[RDClip]

so do you think someone can contact yamato to produce the VAB-2 and the VF-171 perfect trans

well they can't make a VF-171 cause bandai has the license to MacF and i can't see them making a VAB-2 due to it not being a very popular valk. Yamato can and may produce a VF-17 which was in Mac7 now that they are making Mac7 VF-22s.

[Uxi]

And VF-11C. I believe the next new Yamato 1/60 will either be VF-17 or VF-19 Kai, followed by VF-19F/S repaints. VF-19 gives Yamato more models... Before that they could do a few more repaints of the existing YF-19 mold, too (VF-X VF-19A, if not a low viz and one or two other non-canon schemes). I know I'll have a hard time resisting the sky blue Ravens VF-19A (still love the color on my 1/72), even if I most desire a low viz.

[thankheaven]

The VF-17 is a macrossified F-117 and since Yamato is coming out with both M&M VF-22's and VF-11C's its possible they might doa 17 in the near future along with VF-19's.

[shadow strikers]

well i think the Vab-2 looks cool i mean ifs a bomber style and look at its concept art it looks alright

[RDClip]

well i think the Vab-2 looks cool i mean ifs a bomber style and look at its concept art it looks alright

considering it was never animated, i wouldn't ever bet on it being made into a toy. it just isn't recognizable.

[shadow strikers]

considering it was never animated, i wouldn't ever bet on it being made into a toy. it just isn't recognizable.

ya your right though im just iching for a bomber valk or at least one modeled after a f-18 the ones we know are modeled after a tomcat

[Vic Mancini]

ya your right though im just iching for a bomber valk or at least one modeled after a f-18 the ones we know are modeled after a tomcat

Yamato doesn't design the Valkyries.

[shadow strikers]

Yamato doesn't design the Valkyries.

didn't mention yamato, though they might make a new macross series and f-18 styled valk could be created who knows. I mean they are make a new macross movie a animated one and soon a live action one

[Vi-RS]

didn't mention yamato, though they might make a new macross series and f-18 styled valk could be created who knows. I mean they are make a new macross movie a animated one and soon a live action one

Yamato doesn't make any series or movie on macross either.

[505thAirborne]

Heres an idea for a new Valk, Build the Damn VF-4, VF-2SS+SAP and the VF-0D in 1/60 scale!!

[Chronocidal]

Heres an idea for a new Valk, Build the Damn VF-4, VF-2SS+SAP and the VF-0D in 1/60 scale!!

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THIS.

I don't mean to be a jackass here, but remember the old saying: "If you don't like it, make it yourself."

People design custom valks all the time. Considering Frontier just came out, it's HIGHLY unlikely that any new designs will get made in the next several years, and even more unlikely that you'll get something so similar to real life aircraft as what you're suggesting. That doesn't stop you from coming up with it yourself as a fan made design.

It probably won't ever become a toy or model, but make something fancy and cool enough, and someone might build it as a custom someday.

Designing something yourself also tends to give you a very good appreciation of the design process that goes into something like the VF-1, or any other valk. It may look easy at first, and you might get lucky, but it can take a very long time to make a working design (this applies to anything in life really).

Btw, I haven't heard anything about a live action macross movie outside of the robotech movie rumors. Frankly, I could care less if the original creator isn't involved at all. But on the other side of things, leave it to Hollywood, and you'll probably get your F-18 valk (seeing as how Transformers already claimed the F-22, Macross was always Navy-ish based, and the standard go-to Navy plane is the Hornet). It may suck monkey butt, and wind up as another bayformer, but you'll at least have your F-18 valk, and maybe some remote bit of satisfaction in getting what you wanted (which I will wager very little of this forum's population will share in ).

Edited November 24, 2009 by Chronocidal

[Nightingale]

Thank you for the new quote kind sir.

[VFTF1]

And VF-11C. I believe the next new Yamato 1/60 will either be VF-17 or VF-19 Kai, followed by VF-19F/S repaints. VF-19 gives Yamato more models... Before that they could do a few more repaints of the existing YF-19 mold, too (VF-X VF-19A, if not a low viz and one or two other non-canon schemes). I know I'll have a hard time resisting the sky blue Ravens VF-19A (still love the color on my 1/72), even if I most desire a low viz.

I hope you're right about the VF-19 Kai, although it couldn't just be a simple repaint of the YF-19. It would require a whole new mold that might use some of the design parameters of the existing 19, but there are just too many differences.

I would really prefer it done by Yamato in the 1:60 scale. I'm excited about Bandai's 1:100 .... but I wonder...should I not hedge and just patiently wait for a Yammie? I think that might be best.

I mean...what use is there for a 1:100 Bassara valkyrie when everything I have (Bandai and Yamato) is in 1:60?

Aaanyways...

Regarding this whole "idea for a new valk" thing... I think it's pointless. There are a number of valkyrie designs which Yamato haven't touched yet and which take priority over any "new" designs.

Besides - we just had a new design come out - the VF-25. Just like we don't want Macross....or ok - I don't want Macross to become like Transformers with a new anime out every new season, with redesigns every five minutes and with hundreds of transforming jets all over the place - so I don't really want a "new" Valkyrie design every five seconds.

The fact is that if you look at the Valkyrie that have been designed up to now, it took Yamato a long time to perfect the VF-1 as a "toy." It took a long time to engineer the current YF-21 and VF-11B.

Given peoples' complaints about the DX, it might be another 10 years until we get a VF-25 that is highly satisfactory rather than just satisfactory, at least one that isn't a model - although honestly the models could also use improvements - for instance the Gerwalk modes...

I don't like crowding the field. There is plenty of work to be done on existing Valkyrie. There are valkyrie that have never been made into toys and there are valkyrie that have been, but could be improved.

Finally - there will never be a new valkyrie design without a new Macross show or OVA to go with it. There might concievably be sketch books or whatever, but I highly doubt that that will be enough to sustain a toy line.

I dunno...I guess if you're an airplane enthusiast, you can find pleasure in dreaming up planes to be "valkyrized" - but .... I think there's plenty enough to work on as is.

Pete

[Zentrandude]

I say more color variants of the the VF-1. What about gold plated or super mechanical version for the rich guy with tons of money to spend.

[logos]

Hey we got Destroids, the VF-11 and the VF-22 this year. Not counting the VF-1 2 seats (both versions) I think Yamato is doing pretty good. Frankly I would like to see a slow down right now as my wallet is in need of a rest. I also need a chance to catch up and buy the Max and Miras, VF-11C and a few more VF-1s (eventually I think I will have 1 of every scheme..... )

Graham's been saying that they have other stuff in the pipeline and well just have to wait and see. Personally I think a VF-4 and VF-0D would be epic. Also lots of people would like to see the Sound Force done as well. Now that Yamato can do Macross 7 maybe we'll finally see it. At the very least the Macross 7 version of the VF-19 would be awesome. VF-17 would be cool but the VF-171 is such a better take on the design that would be the one I would prefer to get even if it is a bandai dx.

[VFTF1]

Here's another thought:

Remember that the reason behind the construction of a variable aircraft was ONE - as Roy Fokker told us in SDFM TV - to fight giant men from out space.

Given that, I think it would be improper to think that all aircaft in the arsenal of a Macross colony ship or in the Macross universe must necessarily be variable.

The Destroids aren't variable- and good; they don't need to be.

Just the same as bombers and other specialized jets. A bomber's function is to BOMB things from high above, potentially to do it at stealth speed - but in general WHY would a bomber plane need to be variable? What? After it chucks its' payload it's going to transform and engage in hand to hand combat?

That's silly. It could have Variable fighters as escorts - but making it variable is kind of pointless, and I'm not surprised that the VAB hasn't been used in anime - because really...why would you use it? Where?

The variable koening monster is already a bit of a stretch insofar as the original Monster was sufficient. I guess I can SORT of see the point of a variable Koening insofar as you might want heavy artilery that was mobile WITHOUT having to lug it on a star ship - but rather it can fly at the same speed as a squadron of VFs and go on special missions.

Although even then it doesn't really HAVE to be variable- they could have just constructed it for space flight. It doesn't really need to become a shuttle because in space there's not air and therefore no need for an aerodynamic shape to the thing - but whatever...

My point is Macross needs to resist making everything variable. The intitial rational for variable fighters was crazy - but it had to be, since there is little military use in a real variable fighter if you think about it. There actually is more utility out of a robot that can just fly and shoot various weapons (Gundam) and if it really needs an Aerodynamic airframe it can link up with a jet like thing (G fighter) or release its' core fighter.

This isn't as amazing as a variable fighter - but it's more realistic given just how complex making a variable fighter would be.

From Macross Zero we also learned that aside from the battloid mode being there to fight giant men from space in hand to hand combat, the variable fighter was kind of meant to be all purpose since the UN Spacey was predicting that it would need forces capable of fighting in the air, in space, on land - everywhere - and it needed ONE design to do all these things because it didn't have the resources or ability to have a zillion different robots, aircraft etc etc - it just made sense to make a VF-1 to do it all.

And this, along with staying within the frame work of a certain design tradition is all that needs to guide future Valkyrie. It should not just be "I saw this cool Navy jet and want a transforming toy made from it"

Pete

[Vic Mancini]

didn't mention yamato, though they might make a new macross series and f-18 styled valk could be created who knows. I mean they are make a new macross movie a animated one and soon a live action one

But you mentioned an "idea for a new valk", and asked if we'd "buy it", and you're in the toy forum.

It's as if you think the toy companies design the Valks before they make an appearance in an anime. It doesn't work that way. Toy companies like Yamato and Bandai only make toys of valks that are already designed and animated. So if anyone is going to design a new valk that is based off a bomber or a F-18, it's going to be Kawamori.

PS. There is a B-2 style aircraft, it just doesn't transform.

http://www.new-un-spacy.com/macrossplus/starwing.htm

[VFTF1]

I think by "they" Shadow Strike does NOT mean Yamato, but rather the studios making the series/movies - it's just that he seems not to notice that one could interpret from his sentence that he thinks Yamato designs the valkyrie in the first place...

I read the "they" in his sentence as referencing a general, generic "they" (aka the people who make the series/movies) rather than "they" = Yamato.

This could easily become a fun new Macross World sport: Can You Understand the Meaning of Shadow Strike's posts?

I think we have non-english native speakers from foriegn countries who are easier to understand...

But then again - we should make allowances for his young age I guess. Can't be too hard on him.

Pete

[shadow strikers]

I think by "they" Shadow Strike does NOT mean Yamato, but rather the studios making the series/movies - it's just that he seems not to notice that one could interpret from his sentence that he thinks Yamato designs the valkyrie in the first place...

I read the "they" in his sentence as referencing a general, generic "they" (aka the people who make the series/movies) rather than "they" = Yamato.

This could easily become a fun new Macross World sport: Can You Understand the Meaning of Shadow Strike's posts?

I think we have non-english native speakers from foriegn countries who are easier to understand...

But then again - we should make allowances for his young age I guess. Can't be too hard on him.

Pete

Yes that's what I meant, the companies that make the cartoons and so on should redesign the valks. Nothing that radically changed, just a design change like from tom cat style which it currently is to something else.

[Chronocidal]

Just fyi, they have done this FREQUENTLY, and it's not so much a company as it is a designer for the anime, in this case Kawamori. There are a lot more designs for variable fighters than I think you're aware of. They're not going to redesign the originals (that would just be stupid considering the history they have established), but they've been adding new designs for over two decades now.

Honestly, the only "Tomcat" style valks to me are the VF-0 and VF-1, and the VF-1 is even iffy to me, since it's so small (reminds me more of the F-18 in terms of proportions). The rest are very different in what they look like.

The SV-51 is a clear descendant of Russian planes like the Su-27/35.

The VF-17/VF-171 comes from the F-117.

YF-19 takes elements from a mixing of foward swept wing planes, most notably the Su-47 and X-29.

The YF-21/VF-22 is an obvious tribute to the YF-23.

VA-3 Invader is a tweaked A-6 Intruder.

VA-14 Vampire is a modified SR-71.

I could go on. Suffice to say, they've already done what you're suggesting, and they've done it a lot.

Whether toys are made of any of these is an entirely separate issue from them being designed in the first place. A lot of these designs have been drawn up, but until it gets featured in some new show, there's no reason to make a toy.

At that point, you wind up with merchandise for it's own sake (ie, transformers) that might at some point get a series, not something that came from an established anime series, which is what Valkyries are. If this is what you meant by making valks more like transformers, I see your point now, but it's not going to happen.

Transformers are "hey, lets make a robot of this because it'll look cool, and we can write a story for it later." Macross is more "hey, lets write this story, and it'll feature people flying these transforming planes."

Where transformers will change design over time (Starscream has been MANY different aircraft designs at various points), Valkyries don't, because they have an established history. The VF-1 will ALWAYS be the way we see in the lineart. The only way that will change is if someone decides to reboot the series at some point, or like I said before, if Hollywood gets their grubby hands on it.

Edited November 26, 2009 by Chronocidal

[shadow strikers]

Just fyi, they have done this FREQUENTLY, and it's not so much a company as it is a designer for the anime, in this case Kawamori. There are a lot more designs for variable fighters than I think you're aware of. They're not going to redesign the originals (that would just be stupid considering the history they have established), but they've been adding new designs for over two decades now.

Honestly, the only "Tomcat" style valks to me are the VF-0 and VF-1, and the VF-1 is even iffy to me, since it's so small (reminds me more of the F-18 in terms of proportions). The rest are very different in what they look like.

The SV-51 is a clear descendant of Russian planes like the Su-27/35.

The VF-17/VF-171 comes from the F-117.

YF-19 takes elements from a mixing of foward swept wing planes, most notably the Su-47 and X-29.

The YF-21/VF-22 is an obvious tribute to the YF-23.

VA-3 Invader is a tweaked A-6 Intruder.

VA-14 Vampire is a modified SR-71.

I could go on. Suffice to say, they've already done what you're suggesting, and they've done it a lot.

Whether toys are made of any of these is an entirely separate issue from them being designed in the first place. A lot of these designs have been drawn up, but until it gets featured in some new show, there's no reason to make a toy.

At that point, you wind up with merchandise for it's own sake (ie, transformers) that might at some point get a series, not something that came from an established anime series, which is what Valkyries are. If this is what you meant by making valks more like transformers, I see your point now, but it's not going to happen.

Transformers are "hey, lets make a robot of this because it'll look cool, and we can write a story for it later." Macross is more "hey, lets write this story, and it'll feature people flying these transforming planes."

Where transformers will change design over time (Starscream has been MANY different aircraft designs at various points), Valkyries don't, because they have an established history. The VF-1 will ALWAYS be the way we see in the lineart. The only way that will change is if someone decides to reboot the series at some point, or like I said before, if Hollywood gets their grubby hands on it.

lets hope they don't, and if they do get their hands on it hope to god they make the director watch the anime for accuracy. Or have George Lucas, Micheal bay, and Steven Spielberg

to make it. Micheal has action Lucas has sci fi and space steven has story all three could make a awesome live action movie.

[Mog]

lets hope they don't, and if they do get their hands on it hope to god they make the director watch the anime for accuracy. Or have George Lucas, Micheal bay, and Steven Spielberg to make it. Micheal has action Lucas has sci fi and space steven has story all three could make a awesome live action movie.

No, no, NO. A thousand times NO.

None of those three have a passion for Macross. And it would show in the final product.

If they wanna use ILM for the special effects in a live-action movie, that's fine.

But I'd rather the director be someone who grew up with Macross, rather than any of those three.

[Chronocidal]

Agree x10^23. <mortalkombatvoice>FAILTALITY</mortalkombatvoice>

What you've suggested is like having Uwe Boll take Hamlet, and rewrite it to make a sequel to Dawn of the Dead, starring Ashton Kutcher and Miley Cyrus.

Let's just put it this way. Macross without Kawamori is NOT MACROSS. If they want to make a robotech movie, fine. But the way your suggesting leaves the original creator's intent ENTIRELY out of the picture, and substitutes things from people who would want to make it their own, not make an accurate recreation. It's the same reason Willy Wonka wanted a kid to take over the factory.. anyone else would want to do it their own way.

But again, this has gone way beyond the scope of talking about toys.

Edited November 26, 2009 by Chronocidal

[logos]

Yeah I shudder at what Spielburg will do to "Ghost in the Shell" and Dicaprio will do to "Akira", if those projects ever get off the ground. I don't doubt that they could make a good 'popcorn' movie but anything they do will probably be so unfaithful to the original material that we will have another GI Joe or Transformers..............nothing was good about GI Joe and the only thing good about Transformers is the Optimus death fight in Transformers 2..... but I will not let Micheal Bay and Stephen Sommers destroy my childhood. Re-watching those old cartoons seriously could though.

Let Thundercats, Robotech, Macross, and all the others stay buried or in Japan. We are probably better off...unless you give it to someone like Neill Blomkamp or Peter Jackson. They seem to be able to make movies that are audience friendly, good story, and in Peter's case stay faithful enough to the original material to please most. They could ruin them to though.

Anyway back on topic......what was it again......oh yeah Chronocidal is right there are so many other fighters like the VF-4 that haven't been done yet so we don't really need 'fantasy' valks.

But lets stay in the spirit of things. If we did see anything though; an alternate universe with Steam Punk style VFs could be cool. Or even WWII VFs. I know Transformers has done something similar to this but it's not something they could pull of like Kawamori could. Macross's plot style would be perfect for that era. The WWII pinup girl/club singer (replace J pop with Jazz) and the always cool WWII planes (fighting and prototype) would make a cool combination I think. Naturally it would have to stay on Earth but Macross Zero proved you could do that and keep it interesting. What if the Macross crashed on Earth in the late early-mid 1900s???? Think of all the cool retro designs that could come out of that.

But this is just an idea and (knowing this forum) it's about to get trashed in 5....4......3........2.......1.........

Edited November 26, 2009 by logos

[VFTF1]

See... this thread just proves that it's GOOD that Macross series don't get made every year. It's easy to throw a zillion ideas out on the table, 90% of them are going to be forgetable.

This is another reason why I am bothered by the general thrust of the topic question - because it kind of asks for Macross to go faster. I would prefer NO MORE MACROSS AT ALL to a bad Macross series that ruins everything for us.

Seriously - look how touchy people get with this stuff. If Hasbro had NOT made the Unicron Trilogy then it's quite possible I would still be a TF fan, but as such - my brain just blew up and I couldn't handle it any more. There's only so much that a person can take in terms of telling themselves that despite year after year of shitty TV shows and bad toys, he STILL likes this franchise. At some point you just say - screw it! Enough! You stop holding out hope for improvement because you recognize systemetized mediocrity.

With Macross - insofar as sometimes I think "I would like to see more" - that feeling is infinitely preferable to "this franchise now sucks. How could I have liked it once?"

Pete