Seto Kaiba Posted October 31, 2009 Posted October 31, 2009 Does anyone here really care enough about the RLAM? I feel fairly safe in saying that the honest answer 99% or more of us would give would be one or more profane variations on "No".
areaseven Posted October 31, 2009 Posted October 31, 2009 (edited) Here's my casting call list, and I was surprised I wasn't banned earlier from RT.com for it: The Macross Saga Rick Hunter - Peter North Lisa Hayes - Tera Patrick Lynn Minmei - Sora Aoi Roy Fokker - Rocco Siffredi Captain Gloval - Ron Jeremy Claudia Grant - Jada Fire Miriya Sterling - Aria Giovanni Azonia - Lisa Ann Kim - Charlie Laine Sammy - Jelena Jensen Vanessa - Shay Laren The Robotech Masters Dana Sterling - Raylene Richards Marie Crystal - Jaime Hammer Musica - Veronika Zemanova The New Generation Scott Bernard - that actor with an ammo belt tattoo around his thigh Rook Bartley - Hannah Hilton Marlene Rush/Ariel - Jana Jordan The Shadow Chronicles Maia Sterling - Stracy Stone Janice - Ashlynn Brooke Invid Regess - Nina Hartley As for directors, here are my preliminary picks: Roger Christian (Battlefield Earth) David Kellogg (Cool as Ice, Inspector Gadget) Pitof (Catwoman) Edited October 31, 2009 by areaseven
SkullLeaderVF-X Posted October 31, 2009 Posted October 31, 2009 (edited) Here's my casting call list, and I was surprised I wasn't banned earlier from RT.com for it: The Macross Saga Rick Hunter - Peter North Lisa Hayes - Tera Patrick Lynn Minmei - Sora Aoi Roy Fokker - Rocco Siffredi Captain Gloval - Ron Jeremy Claudia Grant - Jada Fire Miriya Sterling - Aria Giovanni Kim - Charlie Laine Sammy - Jelena Jensen Vanessa - Shay Laren The Robotech Masters Dana Sterling - Raylene Richards Marie Crystal - Jaime Hammer Musica - Veronika Zemanova The New Generation Scott Bernard - that actor with an ammo belt tattoo around his thigh Rook Bartley - Hannah Hilton Marlene Rush - Jana Jordan The Shadow Chronicles Ariel - Anetta Keys Janice - Ashlynn Brooke Invid Regess - Nina Hartley As for directors, here are my preliminary picks: Roger Christian (Battlefield Earth) David Kellogg (Cool as Ice, Inspector Gadget) Pitof (Catwoman) Suddenly the RT LAM is starting to look good to me...... Edited October 31, 2009 by SkullLeaderVF-X
VFTF1 Posted October 31, 2009 Posted October 31, 2009 Does anyone here really care enough about the RLAM? If I, being a 26 year devoted Transformers fan, could not be assed to walk into the cinema and see ROTF and am not exactly holding my breath waiting for the DVD release then Robotech, which consumed a fraction of my time as an RPG in fourth grade, is not about to see me caring a whit about its' LAM. so - no. Pete
jenius Posted October 31, 2009 Posted October 31, 2009 Hey Seto, are you sure you're banned from rt.com? I was just checking out the "stuff" section to see what RT fans might want more of on my website and I noticed that all my posts had their signatures removed and that no one could click on my profile link. Your account doesn't seem to have that issue. Maybe your ban is just temporary?
Gubaba Posted October 31, 2009 Posted October 31, 2009 Hey Seto, are you sure you're banned from rt.com? I was just checking out the "stuff" section to see what RT fans might want more of on my website and I noticed that all my posts had their signatures removed and that no one could click on my profile link. Your account doesn't seem to have that issue. Maybe your ban is just temporary? He wasn't banned. He just had his "posting privileges" revoked.
Seto Kaiba Posted October 31, 2009 Posted October 31, 2009 Hey Seto, are you sure you're banned from rt.com? I was just checking out the "stuff" section to see what RT fans might want more of on my website and I noticed that all my posts had their signatures removed and that no one could click on my profile link. Your account doesn't seem to have that issue. Maybe your ban is just temporary? Your account was deleted (a permanent ban), I just had my posting privileges revoked (nominally a "temporary ban"), though there's no sign that they will ever be restored, so my ban is every bit as permanent as yours for the time being.
Jasonc Posted October 31, 2009 Posted October 31, 2009 Doesn't really matter if it's all deleted or not. My temp ban of one month was back in August or September of 07, and it's still there. I think they're waiting for me to grovel and say sorry for something. In any case, I wasn't losing anything getting my ban, and all it did was give me a chance to help take away a good amount of people from their clutches and talk about the grit of what is there. I'd like to see them give me back my posting privvies. I don't think I remember my password.
taksraven Posted October 31, 2009 Posted October 31, 2009 Lisa Hayes - Tera Patrick Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm Lisaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa! Have to take your word on that one. Roy Fokker - Rocco Siffredi Captain Gloval - Ron Jeremy Great calls for both of them. Miriya Sterling - Aria Giovanni Fantastic idea. She would really fit the role, esp. with exotic looks. Vanessa - Shay Laren I wouldn't be looking at the radar screen though. The Robotech Masters Dana Sterling - Raylene Richards Marie Crystal - Jaime Hammer Musica - Veronika Zemanova Some good ideas. The New Generation Scott Bernard - that actor with an ammo belt tattoo around his thigh Scary, but I know the one you are talking about. Yeah, he'd work. Rook Bartley - Hannah Hilton To quote Yellow, Oh, Yeeeaaahhhhhhhh!!!!! Marlene Rush - Jana Jordan The Shadow Chronicles Ariel - Anetta Keys Janice - Ashlynn Brooke Alright Invid Regess - Nina Hartley I would have said Kay Parker, a more *motherly* performer. As for directors, here are my preliminary picks: Roger Christian (Battlefield Earth) David Kellogg (Cool as Ice, Inspector Gadget) Pitof (Catwoman) I think you didn't get banned from RT for it cause they probably didnt get the joke. :lol: Taksraven
Seto Kaiba Posted October 31, 2009 Posted October 31, 2009 Here's my casting call list, and I was surprised I wasn't banned earlier from RT.com for it: The Macross Saga Vanessa - Shay Laren FUND IT. That's all I'll say on the matter.
Jasonc Posted October 31, 2009 Posted October 31, 2009 Hmmm, that would be some cool cosplay...Bon-chucka bon bon!!!
Funkenstein Posted October 31, 2009 Posted October 31, 2009 Honestly, the Robotech movie would probably be "inspired" by the series or the books. They can't really translate "pop music saves the world" to a film format. Look what happened to Spice World? Alright bad example, but seriously, think about it. It will be like the Transformers movie, or the new Star Trek. A "re-imagining", if you want to call it. Best bet, it will have the main characters and transforming mecha. Everything else would probably dumped, like the Max and Millia thing, Kakizaki , maybe Roy won't even be in the movie.
VFTF1 Posted October 31, 2009 Posted October 31, 2009 If it's just some people and transforming mecha - then what's the point? Actually - even if it's Robotech - what's the point? Pete
Funkenstein Posted October 31, 2009 Posted October 31, 2009 Well what was the point of Bayformers? Explosions and toys, of course. Isn't HG primarily concerned with merchandising and not original content?
VFTF1 Posted October 31, 2009 Posted October 31, 2009 Yeah, but all I'm saying is the general populace will see Robotech - transforming machines and people running around - and say "meh - been there, done that." Transformers has cornered the market for transforming giant robots. To succeed - Robotech would have to have what Macross had in it - the whole concept of the Zendradi as a bio-engineered race of warriors that have been de-culturized, the love triangle, the singing....you know the drill - the essence of Macross. If it's just a bunch of aliens attacking Earth - then that's Independence day. Been there done that 10 years ago. If the Earthlings have transforming robots on their side - again - been there done that with Michael Bay... I'm seeing "Battlefield Earth" flash before my eyes (and I didn't see that movie, just the cover to a dvd or something) - but Robotech LAM will suck that bad. Also - remember one thing about Holywood - they will produce anything. So what if HG has Holywood interested in producing Robotech as a LAM? Hell - a zillion crap directors and screen writers have somebody in Holywood interested in squeezing out the next turd. "Holywood is interested" or even "WB is interested" means nothing unless you hear who's on board. Transformers had Stephen Spielburg and then Michael Bay on board. Not saying those guys never made a bad movie - but at least with names like those you know that there's an ATTEMPT being made to treat the thing seriously and make a hit. Robotech...so far only Tobby Macguire has been mentioned - and I wouldn't call him a serious name. How many hit movies has Toby Macguire made? MADE - not "been in" - but MADE. ?? Pete
Einherjar Posted October 31, 2009 Posted October 31, 2009 Does anyone here really care enough about the RLAM? In the end, it's just another interpretation of the same story they've tried to keep fresh in various media for years, but this time with real actors not decided upon yet.
taksraven Posted October 31, 2009 Posted October 31, 2009 .Bon-chucka bon bon!!! Best way to express that in text is "Brown chicken, Brown cow" :P Taksraven
VFTF1 Posted November 1, 2009 Posted November 1, 2009 But there are no brown cows... chickens can be brown when they're Kentucky Fried... hm... Robotech fans! Come back to us! We need you, lest this thread descend into intelligent discussion or attempts at discovering the best way to write out the sound-track to bad 70s porn! Pete
taksraven Posted November 1, 2009 Posted November 1, 2009 But there are no brown cows... chickens can be brown when they're Kentucky Fried... hm... Robotech fans! Come back to us! We need you, lest this thread descend into intelligent discussion or attempts at discovering the best way to write out the sound-track to bad 70s porn! Pete Nah, lets keep plundering those depths. Thanks to urbandictionary.com http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?...icken+brown+cow Actually, to gradually steer us back onto topic, how about the Urbandictionary definitions on Robotech. Seems to be a definition of RT there to suit everybody. http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=robotech 1. Robotech Robotech is an Americanized cartoon show called Macross, produced by Studio Nu in Japan in 1985. The original series was considered too short for station owners in America to syndicate, and so two bogus shows where added by Harmony Gold, and the original storyline was massively altered to add to the deception. Some examples of these changes are: The size of the SDF-1, (via spoken word), certain characters hair color and style radically change over time (Dana Sterling) the fate of both of the shows main characters was also altered. The first 40 or so episodes of Robotech are worth viewing though, and are available at most movie rental stores, and on Robotech.com. Macross can also be purchased, but as of now, there are no English re-voiced versions. Robotech/Macross is considerd one of the greatest Anime shows of all time. by Ranger Mar 31, 2004 2. Robotech One of the best 80's anime you'll ever find. Features 85 excellent, action-packed episodes, each divided into three sagas, and two equally great movies. Was aired on Cartoon Network, but those motherfarters only showed 60 episodes, repeated those episodes, and ditched it in favor of Johnny Quest. I now have all 85 episodes thanks to bootlegging ^_~ by AYB Mar 10, 2003 3. Robotech Best animated show in America, ever. That episode of Robotech kicked ass. by cryomancer Mar 10, 2003 4. Robotech A poorly edited amalgamation of 3 animes, whose only saving grace is the fact the Macross was cool enough even with the edits That robotech episode was cooler on my macross DVD. by Mecha Dude Jul 5, 2003 5. Robotech Sorry, but "robotech" sucked the proverbial ass. It was nothing more than a second-hand rewrite of one good show(MACROSS), and two generic mecha-based shows(Southern Cross and Mospeada). The fact that it was popular in this country only demonstrates the infinite ignorance of American "anime fans". The storyline was hacked together out of some core elements of the original Macross storyline, and the voice acting SUCKED. Most of those idiots sounded like they were constipated when they were re-voicing the characters. In short: Robotech sucks! Macross Rules!! Robotech is one of the most popular and overrated anime shows of all time. by Eric Aug 4, 2004 6. Robotech Never heard of Macross so I don't give a damn if it was better than Robotech, and I can't afford a DVD player either. Sorry, pal. These nerds always say that Robotech sucks because it is dubbed. They forget that most of us don't have a foreign video store in our cities, and we can only tape whatever movies that come out on HBO or Cinemax. If the acting sucks, get used to it. by pauper Aug 12, 2003 This may have been discussed b4 since this thread has been going for years but I thought it was interesting. Taksraven
Seto Kaiba Posted November 1, 2009 Posted November 1, 2009 (edited) Robotech fans! Come back to us! We need you, lest this thread descend into intelligent discussion or attempts at discovering the best way to write out the sound-track to bad 70s porn! Unfortunately for you, there's been very little that's newsworthy among the Robotech fans this week. About the only thing worth mentioning is that dougbendo has been making a big fuss over on RobotechX because he's catching a lot of flak from a bunch of different people over a podcast where he claims Robotech is, along with Macross and Gundam, one of the most important, influential titles in mecha anime. It's a spurious claim to say the least, but he's responded in defense of his claim with his usual array of colorful language and juvenile behavior. I'd conservatively estimate a good 30% of his comebacks have had something to do with his penis, or the penises of Steve and/or Tommy... which is kind of disturbing on several levels. Apart from his strange penis fixation, his default response usually takes the form of a transparent attempt to goad his detractors into making guest appearances on one or more of those podcasts of his, and then he gets really angry and starts accusing people of being afraid to face him when they all inevitably refuse, citing his juvenile behavior as proof positive that he wouldn't be able to actually conduct the reasoned, civil discussion he claims to so ardently desire. The part that really got me chuckling is that since I'm one of the most vocal critics in that particular thread, he keeps accusing me of cyber-stalking him, but he's spent something like the last week and a half alternating between trying to invite me onto his "Robotech Fan" podcast as a guest, and trying to goad me into it when I tell him I'm not interested. He's also drawing a lot of criticism from some quarters for a variety of others reasons. He didn't really endear himself to anyone when he tried to play both sides of the recent banning sprees on Robotech.com by pretending to sympathize with the victims and badmouthing MEMO and Maverick, and then turning around and sucking up to MEMO in hopes of earning some kind of legitimacy for his "Robotech Fan" podcast. It's not helping his case that he's claimed to be the one leading the entire Robotech fanbase on several occasions, and acting as though his podcast was a contribution of such staggering magnitude that all other fanworks pale in comparison. dougbendo is also suspected of being the one who posted a comment praising dougbendo's so-called achievements and threatening violence against JT on the Protoculture Times website. The other suspect is WDkaiserV1, who is well-known for his asinine behavior, having once challenged myself and other members of HP's site to a fistfight and then chickening out by giving fake addresses in Pennsylvania, and adding "Death to Macross Purists" to his signature on Robotech.com. Well, that's all the news that's fit to print... and a good deal that isn't. Edited November 1, 2009 by Seto Kaiba
EXO Posted November 1, 2009 Posted November 1, 2009 This may have been discussed b4 since this thread has been going for years but I thought it was interesting. Taksraven What hasn't been discussed before? Isn't that the point of this whole thread. The battle has been over for years... we're just stabbing bodies to make sure no one is left twitching.
taksraven Posted November 1, 2009 Posted November 1, 2009 What hasn't been discussed before? Isn't that the point of this whole thread. The battle has been over for years... we're just stabbing bodies to make sure no one is left twitching. lol Taksraven
VFTF1 Posted November 1, 2009 Posted November 1, 2009 (edited) I'd conservatively estimate a good 30% of his comebacks have had something to do with his penis...Apart from his strange penis fixation, his default response usually takes the form of a transparent attempt to goad his detractors into making guest appearances on one or more of those podcasts of his, and then he gets really angry and starts accusing people of being afraid to face him when they all inevitably refuse, citing his juvenile behavior as proof positive that he wouldn't be able to actually conduct the reasoned, civil discussion he claims to so ardently desire. Fcuk it! I'll go on Doug Bendo's podcast! Nobody has a penis as big as mine! Bring 'em on! Pete Edited November 1, 2009 by VFTF1
terry the lone wolf Posted November 1, 2009 Posted November 1, 2009 I recently acquired all 36 episodes of ADV's dub of SDF-Macross and I've found little difference between this and Robotech. Yeah, there's cosmetic changes to dialogue for certain scenes (Example- In Macross aboard Breetai's ship Rick & Max discuss going to a party Max plans for the P.O.W.'s that escaped; RT-Rick & Max reminisce over the time they escape) but the spirit of the shows remained. Some of the ones I've seen had little to no re-writes. Maybe substituting phrases like Supervision Army for the Robotech Masters. RT unlike other imported shows was not as hacked as other imported shows of that time. This show embraced the concept of death where other cartoons just simply avoided it. Some of the Macross character's I found to be a bit shallow especially Roy. This Roy is not the one I grew up with; the Roy I know was a great hero who quoted Presidents. Yeah he liked to get drunk and mac on the ladies but he knew there's was time and place for it. In Macross Roy's a complete cad and it seems like Hikaru just gets annoyed with him. Instead of flying for the love and protection of your loved ones just fly for the love of one girl. So far I like Macross but I'm not about to jump over and say RT completely sucks yet. Note-I had a little chuckle for the Miriya baby throwing scene but I felt terrible about myself the next day.
VFTF1 Posted November 1, 2009 Posted November 1, 2009 Maybe substituting phrases like Supervision Army for the Robotech Masters That's a pretty significant difference if you ask me. I mean, there are no Robotech Masters in Macross - so if you add them, then it's not Macross any more. And Max and Hikaru reminiscing over their escape vs. talking about going to a party - little things like that make a difference too because a series like this is all about building character arcs - those arcs are built up of several small events and how characters react to them and what they say and think. Change those little things and the big picture of the character is ruined. As for Roy - Macross establishes that he's not a GI Joe-quoting Presidents-hero type. In Macross Zero, we find out why - namely he joined the military despite hating war because his friend was killed in a bombing raid during the Unification Wars. We can presume that he, like Shin, was traumatized and wanted to take action - but after a while all he wanted was for the ground to "stop shaking"... In SDFM TV Roy seems to be laid back, like enjoying life, and just wants to survive and protect those he loves and holds dear. He also clearly loves flying a Valkyrie and wants to impart this to Hikaru. I never watched the Dub, but I always prefered the sub-titles of the original work... Pete
Bri Posted November 1, 2009 Posted November 1, 2009 I'm sorry to say the Robotech voice acting is vastly superior (in quality not accuracy) to the ADV dub of Macross. If you for example compare the ADV dub versus Gubaba, Boinger and co's The Galaxy Network subbed version the difference is shocking.
MastaEgg Posted November 1, 2009 Posted November 1, 2009 (edited) I'm sorry to say the Robotech voice acting is vastly superior (in quality not accuracy) to the ADV dub of Macross. If you for example compare the ADV dub versus Gubaba, Boinger and co's The Galaxy Network subbed version the difference is shocking. The thing I find most ironic is that they assigned a lot of stereotypical accents for a lot of the characters in Robotech, but Minmey doesn't sound Chinese... despite her ethnicity being the most established of the characters. And for the record I like the ADV voices better. I didn't care for them at first, but mostly because they were so different. You should give them a chance. Unless you actually prefer unempathic sounding characters. Edited November 1, 2009 by MastaEgg
Gubaba Posted November 1, 2009 Posted November 1, 2009 I recently acquired all 36 episodes of ADV's dub of SDF-Macross and I've found little difference between this and Robotech. Yeah, there's cosmetic changes to dialogue for certain scenes (Example- In Macross aboard Breetai's ship Rick & Max discuss going to a party Max plans for the P.O.W.'s that escaped; RT-Rick & Max reminisce over the time they escape) but the spirit of the shows remained. Some of the ones I've seen had little to no re-writes. Maybe substituting phrases like Supervision Army for the Robotech Masters. RT unlike other imported shows was not as hacked as other imported shows of that time. This show embraced the concept of death where other cartoons just simply avoided it. Some of the Macross character's I found to be a bit shallow especially Roy. This Roy is not the one I grew up with; the Roy I know was a great hero who quoted Presidents. Yeah he liked to get drunk and mac on the ladies but he knew there's was time and place for it. In Macross Roy's a complete cad and it seems like Hikaru just gets annoyed with him. Instead of flying for the love and protection of your loved ones just fly for the love of one girl. So far I like Macross but I'm not about to jump over and say RT completely sucks yet. Note-I had a little chuckle for the Miriya baby throwing scene but I felt terrible about myself the next day. It's hard for me to know what to say to this...yes, the Robotech plot is about an 80% accurate adaptation of the Macross plot. But it's the stuff like turning Roy into a Reagan-era philosopher, and making Minmay more annoying that really grate on me. So does bringing in the Hikaru/Misa love story MUCH too early. But really, if you forget about Robotech Masters and New Generation, and about II, Plus, 7, Zero, and Frontier, and just look at Macross Saga vs. Macross...it's not terrible. Certainly, Battle of the Planets and Warriors of the Wind were much worse. There are some minor details in RT that don't really work out (i.e. Minmay in episode 2 saying that she's going back for her diary, but in episode 5 saying that the audition letter was what she went back for), and there's a very "soap opera" feel to some of the dialogue, but overall...I think they did a pretty good job. I haven't watched the ADV dub past the first couple of episodes, so I don't know how it stacks up...but I definitely wasn't thrilled with what I did see. I prefer watching it in Japanese...the original cast was top-notch, and it's hard to imagine that any improvement could be made in that aspect of the show. I dunno. Having Roy dispense little bits of wisdom was an interesting idea...but that's not who he is to me anymore. The RT version of him seems flimsy and false to me now, but that may be more due to me and my perceptions than to the way the character was rewritten. Turning Minmay into a COMPLETELY indefensible brat, however, that was a bad move on Robotech's part.
Bri Posted November 1, 2009 Posted November 1, 2009 (edited) The thing I find most ironic is that they assigned a lot of stereotypical accents for a lot of the characters in Robotech, but Minmey doesn't sound Chinese... despite her ethnicity being the most established of the characters. And for the record I like the ADV voices better. I didn't care for them at first, but mostly because they were so different. You should give them a chance. Unless you actually prefer unempathic sounding characters. Fair enough, I don't find the accents bothersome. To me their just different North American dialects (except Glovals fake Russian ofc), as I'm not a native speaker I can't pinpoint them nor do they annoy me. RT's VA's mostly have pleasant voices altough, as you said, at times unempathic/indifferent. Adv's dub on the other hand has some poor actors who can't propperly articulate a line or overact horribly. Also both ADV's Misa and Hikaru really have really grating voices and these two things really kill the ADV dub. Not that I particularly care, as I watch pretty all anime subbed or raw, but curiosity got the better of me. As Gubaba said, the original cast is superb. Seiyuus are profesionals and it shows. Edited November 1, 2009 by Bri
Jasonc Posted November 1, 2009 Posted November 1, 2009 I watched Robotech (obviously) and SDF Macross ADV dub, and I liked the Robotech voices much better. It's not that I'm used to them, cause I'm used to the Macross voices. But, ADV's VAs for Macross seemed too over the top, and way too emotional. The voices for Robotech had a style that was more condusive to the Macross story IMHO. SDF Macross' characters had a more calm, but emotional type of draw as well, at least moreso than ADV version.
VF5SS Posted November 1, 2009 Posted November 1, 2009 lol Roy quotes Ronald Regan in Robotech? I knew people say it was Americanized but that's just hilarious.
Einherjar Posted November 1, 2009 Posted November 1, 2009 lol Roy quotes Ronald Regan in Robotech? I knew people say it was Americanized but that's just hilarious. Wait, did Robotech have a political agenda too?
Gubaba Posted November 1, 2009 Posted November 1, 2009 lol Roy quotes Ronald Regan in Robotech? I knew people say it was Americanized but that's just hilarious. He doesn't quote Reagan...he said something like "An American president once observed that 'the price of liberty is eternal vigilance.'" Now...no American president ACTUALLY said that (although sometimes it's attributed to either Jefferson or Lincoln), but it seemed to be used in the context of Robotech as "We're free, they're not...so keep watching the skies." I may be reading too much into it, but RT seemed to me to be a lot more Reaganesque than Macross is.
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